Quote from: mrlostAnd Redfox, if I ever ran it for you it would so be Jedi in the Vineyard.

I'd give it a whirl, as I'd try most anything at least once.  I'm cynical that the game would work for me, though.

Sounds like a challenge, mrlost.

Alrighty, that's it. I'm, dragging it back out and reading it again.

Quote from: RedFoxI'd give it a whirl, as I'd try most anything at least once.  I'm cynical that the game would work for me, though.

Do try to approach it with an open mind, and keep in mind that who you're gaming with is more important to a successful game session than some rules in a book. Give it a proper play before dismissing it as dreadful, or praising it as teh bestest game evah.

Quote from: mrlostYeah it worked like that the first couple sessions I played of it until we grokked the rules. Then it suddenly became the best RPG evar! Super immersive awesomely fun gaming. Things break down when you have more than four participants in a conflict though.

Fallout finally made XP fun for me. Instead of a skinner-esque video game mechanic, your actions lead to actual character development.

In the course of a few weeks I had more heartfelt, truely moving gaming experiences than I have ever had before or since. And the town creation rules make the game a zero prep equation. If it wasn't for the Mormon hate, I'd be surprised that anyone didn't like this game. Mind you we were playing it troup style so every person had an opportunity to run two sessions, and it worked great in ways no other game has since. And our group is all about troup style gming

As for moral statements, that sword is in the players hands the whole time. The game doesn't make any. Maybe the basic setting assumes some for the King of Life and stuff but the PCs have free rein to interprete everything.

That's great, and I am happy for you, I trust however you are not trying to tell me that if I just understood it properly I would love it as you do?  That would be annoying, and deeply patronising.

Oh, by the way, I play relatively few games with xp, where I do play games with xp I find it neither fun nor unfun, it's just a way of keeping track of development.  But the idea that your actions lead to actual character development mirrors my experience of any BRP game, Gurps as we played it for around a decade where we only allowed xp to be spent on skills where there was some rationale for its having improved, WFRP, many others.  The world is not Dogs and D&D.

I am indifferent to the Mormon focus, it neither sells it nor puts it off, but I generally dislike dice heavy mechanics.  I don't enjoy WoD stuff much for similar reasons, I hated Champions, I found the Pool a tedious dicefest and I find extended contests in Heroquest a fucking bore.

It's possible you weren't telling me I would like it if I kept trying, but I've been playing for over 25 years and have tried a great many systems, I am competent to tell when I don't like something.  I don't think it means others must also dislike it but I do prefer it when people don't make the assumption that if I just understood better I would agree with them.

QuoteYeah it worked like that the first couple sessions I played of it until we grokked the rules. Then it suddenly became the best RPG evar!

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Quote from: JimBobOzDo try to approach it with an open mind, and keep in mind that who you're gaming with is more important to a successful game session than some rules in a book. Give it a proper play before dismissing it as dreadful, or praising it as teh bestest game evah.

Man, I can have a good time with a game I absolutely loathe.  I played some old World of Darkness this last weekend, which is enough to make me gibber like a terrified victim of a Lovecraft huggymonster.  But I had fun regardless.

I'd have had more fun if the system weren't a steaming pile of pigshit, though.

I'm not saying DitV is like that.  I know little about it, other than the general setting and that it has some sort of super special resolution mechanic.  So long as I get a list of guns or lightsaber styles or whatever, I'll be fine.  

Quote from: WarthurNew theory: games shouldn't deal with matters of morality in any way, shape or form. It's not the right forum for them: you can't have a serious discussion about morality if one individual (the GM) has way more power than everyone else to define the situation being discussed.

This is a very interesting idea, worthy of further discussion.