Quote from: Bill;777674Blood Bowl is brilliant, and Fun.

Why the hell would they want to kill it?

There's a spectral procession of great yet murdered GW 'specialist' games floating here, wanting to have a word with you.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;777699There's a spectral procession of great yet murdered GW 'specialist' games floating here, wanting to have a word with you.

Fantasy Flight have picked up Chaos Marauders, Talisman, Dungeon Quest, and Fury of Dracula. I have a vain hope that one day they'll pick up the licence for Blood Bowl or Battlecars too.

Quote from: Blacky the Blackball;777792Fantasy Flight have picked up Chaos Marauders, Talisman, Dungeon Quest, and Fury of Dracula. I have a vain hope that one day they'll pick up the licence for Blood Bowl or Battlecars too.

GW has some stringent stipulations about what FFG can do or not with the games they pick up. One of the stipulations is no minis that can be used with GW product. Hence why Inquisitor has those stupid busts as pawns. Not sure about how Talisman worked out. Probably different scale or an early deal.

any minis heavy game would likely be out unless FFG really twerked it I'd guess. And their Horus Heresy was not all that great by some accounts. Space Hulk ended up as a card game... etc.

Working with GW is problematic to say the least. Working FOR GW is problematic, period.

"Fury of Dracula" sounds like an awesome B-movie with Christopher Lee fighting Bruce Lee.

Quote from: Omega;777796any minis heavy game would likely be out unless FFG really twerked it I'd guess. And their Horus Heresy was not all that great by some accounts. Space Hulk ended up as a card game... etc.

I could see GW letting FFG produce minis that didn't compete with one of their current lines, like Dark Future cars for example.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;777484Celestial Mailman

I now want to play this class.

Quote from: Omega;777796GW has some stringent stipulations about what FFG can do or not with the games they pick up. One of the stipulations is no minis that can be used with GW product. Hence why Inquisitor has those stupid busts as pawns. Not sure about how Talisman worked out. Probably different scale or an early deal.

The FFG versions of Talisman, Dungeon Quest, and Fury of Dracula all have minis.

QuoteWorking with GW is problematic to say the least. Working FOR GW is problematic, period.

Yeah - Simon Burley found that out when he tried to republish Golden Heroes as Squadron UK.

Quote from: Matt;777797"Fury of Dracula" sounds like an awesome B-movie with Christopher Lee fighting Bruce Lee.

It's also an excellent board game.

To bring this back on topic...

I picked up the PHB yesterday, and spent last night and this morning reading it.

It really is a thing of beauty, isn't it?

My campaign was using the playtest rules, but since the party have just hit fourth level now seems the ideal time to switch to the PHB.

I'm not sure I like the big-headed halflings though.

Quote from: Blacky the Blackball;777825To bring this back on topic...

I picked up the PHB yesterday, and spent last night and this morning reading it.

It really is a thing of beauty, isn't it?

My campaign was using the playtest rules, but since the party have just hit fourth level now seems the ideal time to switch to the PHB.

I'm not sure I like the big-headed halflings though.

Yeah, it was funny-looking a year ago and it hasn't grown on me since, which is a shame because Halflings are my favorite race to play.

Quote from: LibraryLass;777368I got threadbanned for asking Ezekiel if his latest declaration that they'd killed his remaining interest in 5e meant he would please stop posting in 5e threads already.

Worth it.

<3 Thank you!

Quote from: Blacky the Blackball;777825I'm not sure I like the big-headed halflings though.

I love them so much.

I spent a few hours with the PHB last night skimming the whole thing but focused more on the first half).

Content: thumbs up. I really like the variety in the class section, and there's a lot in there while keeping everything compact.

Style & Layout: I have no expertise in this area but I know what I like. The text headings take a back seat to the art so it can be hard for me to spot them. In the races section I have a hard time telling where one section ends and another one begins. It looks good as a whole but maybe not the best for reference. Speaking of races, why, in the name of Xiombarg's venomous teat-milk, are the races not in goddam alphabetical order?! WHY?!

Art: the cover art is too dark and indistinct for my taste. The portrait art in the race & class is a mixed bag. Some of them seem naturally posed and some don't. Pretty much all of the still life type stuff is spot on and the sort of window dressing I love to see in these books.

Quote from: Bill;777674Blood Bowl is brilliant, and Fun.

Why the hell would they want to kill it?

Let's not beat around the bush, BB is possibly the best design GW have ever had.

But a BB team is basically a one-and-done purchase, and then you can play them FOREVER. There's no continual revenue stream, you never need to buy more stuff for them or just to keep on playing the game at all (You probably will pick up a few more teams, but even so, three or four teams would give you a great variety of play styles, and still run for much less than a 40K/WHFB army plus the books required).

Same with most of the specialist games. Great for gamers, awful for revenues for a company of GW's size.

Quote from: Omega;777796Space Hulk ended up as a card game... etc.

Death Angel is brilliant, though. It's got the right feel to it, which is more important than the models and maps. It's claustrophobic, it plays to win; the designer somehow encoded pure hatred into a deck of event cards.

I'm loving the full-page art at the beginning of each chapter - it's very evocative of the 2E books. Overall I would put the art as a mix of 2E in terms of the scenic art and 3E for the smaller pieces and the sepia line drawings.

The highest praise I could give it is that I've spent the last 3 hours reading the book and coming up with loads of cool characters I would love to play...

Quote from: Ladybird;777866Let's not beat around the bush, BB is possibly the best design GW have ever had.

But a BB team is basically a one-and-done purchase, and then you can play them FOREVER. There's no continual revenue stream, you never need to buy more stuff for them or just to keep on playing the game at all (You probably will pick up a few more teams, but even so, three or four teams would give you a great variety of play styles, and still run for much less than a 40K/WHFB army plus the books required).

Same with most of the specialist games. Great for gamers, awful for revenues for a company of GW's size.



Death Angel is brilliant, though. It's got the right feel to it, which is more important than the models and maps. It's claustrophobic, it plays to win; the designer somehow encoded pure hatred into a deck of event cards.

I don't know jack all about how many people bought how many gw minis, but I would think the real issue is popularity. I think you can get a blood bowl fan to buy minis, but if the 40k stuff is 100 times mor epopular, BB loses out.

I don't really have a clue though.

I like wh stuff; rpg setting, mini wargame, and blood bowl most of all.