Quote from: Novastar;777380I saw that, and it made me chuckle too.

me too, and was totally not shocked at the mod action.  A few months ago I called out Polaris (or was it paraxsis) when he said he's still bitching about 5e cuz it wasn't out yet and could still change.  So I said the same thing you did; would he stop once it's officially out.  Of course the backpedaling was epic.

some people won't ever stop bitching

Because 'if you really hate X, why do you keep going into threads about it' is a dire ATTACK that needs to be addressed through mod action.

At this point I've passed anger, amusement, and I'm into intellectual organizational curiosity, considering how and where the process went totally off the rails.

And it's that vaporous outer edge of 'personal attacks,' plus zealous and nonrigorous 'safe space' that's a recipe for disaster.

(Definitely stuff I'm studying if I ever, out of some bizarre chain of events, find myself running a forum)


Anyone notice Cessna doesn't joke about Kremlinology so much any more? It's getting a bit too accurate!

Quote from: Will;777385Because 'if you really hate X, why do you keep going into threads about it' is a dire ATTACK that needs to be addressed through mod action.

At this point I've passed anger, amusement, and I'm into intellectual organizational curiosity, considering how and where the process went totally off the rails.

And it's that vaporous outer edge of 'personal attacks,' plus zealous and nonrigorous 'safe space' that's a recipe for disaster.

(Definitely stuff I'm studying if I ever, out of some bizarre chain of events, find myself running a forum)


Anyone notice Cessna doesn't joke about Kremlinology so much any more? It's getting a bit too accurate!

Be careful Will what you joke about. Even I was an admin on a popular White Wolf site not so many years ago. I got banned and the site died within a year or two. Because it went down the path TBP is currently walking.

Quote from: Matt;777192So what's all this fuss about a 5th edition of AD&D? I never saw 3rd or 4th, last version I had was 2nd. What glaring flaws are being fixed with the latest version?

(I didn't even know TSR went out of business until last year: I don't follow industry news, I just play some games I enjoy.)

Lets just say that WOTC picked up D&D and things went... badly for the last 15 years or so. 3rd ed was all about multiclassing. 4th Ed ended up being a staggeringly boring minis game. And WOTC marketing did its damndest to insult fans of previous editions. The announcement and inception of 5th ed has had some of the worst of the 4e loons in a frothing at the mouth rage. Some pretty wretched behavior.

5e harkens back to BX and BECMI D&D with elements from all other editions folded in with new ideas in a manner that actually works for once.

Basic 5e is being released in stages as a free PDF so you can have a look at chargen now, or wait for the updates and see the more complete core.

Quote from: Will;777244In case anyone else feels compelled to say it yet again... no, Basic isn't enough for me. I find the four classes a nice tease, but only healer clerics? No bards, rangers, druids, etc? Limited races? No sense of how magic items are going to work?

I like flexibility, and 5e is competing against MANY other games there. And many of those games are put out by forward-thinking game companies who do things like realize 'hey, some people prefer PDFs,' let alone things like OGL.

We dont know yet if they will add more classes or not. I kinda suspect not. But never know. Id wait and see what others have to say and how the Basic changes once everything is out.

But I doubt it will satisfy if you want "the whole package" till or if WOTC releases a PDF version. At this point its anyones guess.

Quote from: LibraryLass;777368I got threadbanned for asking Ezekiel if his latest declaration that they'd killed his remaining interest in 5e meant he would please stop posting in 5e threads already.

Worth it.

Absolutely worth it, and well done!

Quote from: LibraryLass;777368I got threadbanned for asking Ezekiel if his latest declaration that they'd killed his remaining interest in 5e meant he would please stop posting in 5e threads already.

Worth it.

Question: Have the RPGnet mods ever used statements made on this forum to officially act against the same poster on their forum?

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;777425Question: Have the RPGnet mods ever used statements made on this forum to officially act against the same poster on their forum?

Possibly OneHorseTown.

Let's get this back to the PHB rather than what other people think of it.

Quote from: Omega;777402We dont know yet if they will add more classes or not. I kinda suspect not. But never know. Id wait and see what others have to say and how the Basic changes once everything is out.

My understanding is that Basic will stick to the "core four" class option forever. Remember, WotC is a business and doesn't want to give away the whole thing. I think it's pretty darned nice that they are releasing so much of the game for free already, as I think I could play a Basic campaign for a long time.

The problem with getting too many classes is that many of the others tend to be real power-classes. For example, every playtest we ran showed me that the Barbarian is a sterroid class, and unless they really tweaked it hard between the final playtest and the PHB I probably won't allow it in my home game. Guess I'll find out in a few hours.

I'll probably use Basic as my guideline and import a few of the templates, etc, from the PHB to add some variety.

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EDIT: I just decided that my post comes off way too judgemental. I'm not trying to tell anyone else how to run their game, but instead am just speculating on how I'll probably run mine.

"Sterroid"?

Quote from: finarvyn;777433My understanding is that Basic will stick to the "core four" class option forever. Remember, WotC is a business and doesn't want to give away the whole thing. I think it's pretty darned nice that they are releasing so much of the game for free already, as I think I could play a Basic campaign for a long time.

The problem with getting too many classes is that many of the others tend to be real power-classes. For example, every playtest we ran showed me that the Barbarian is a sterroid class, and unless they really tweaked it hard between the final playtest and the PHB I probably won't allow it in my home game. Guess I'll find out in a few hours.

I'll probably use Basic as my guideline and import a few of the templates, etc, from the PHB to add some variety.

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EDIT: I just decided that my post comes off way too judgemental. I'm not trying to tell anyone else how to run their game, but instead am just speculating on how I'll probably run mine.

The good thing is that you could easily just allow certain subclasses of the parent class and certain subraces of the parent race. Whatever fits your game and table really. They did change quite a bit so I would give the book a really good read before banning things outright and then remember the DMG is coming in November for some serious customization.

My gut feeling is that some of the more exotic classes/subclasses/races will show up in campaign type settings, rather than devoted splat books.  I know a lot of people have complained because their Celestial Mailman class didn't appear in the PHB, but the reality is if only a very small player base plays that class, it's going to get left out.  And Mearls said this time around they are less focuses on splat book treadmills, and more on IP diversity.  

This is all especially true if the DMG contains guidelines on creating your own custom content.

Quote from: The Ent;777436"Sterroid"?

Good name for a Barbarian.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;777484My gut feeling is that some of the more exotic classes/subclasses/races will show up in campaign type settings, rather than devoted splat books.  I know a lot of people have complained because their Celestial Mailman class didn't appear in the PHB, but the reality is if only a very small player base plays that class, it's going to get left out.  And Mearls said this time around they are less focuses on splat book treadmills, and more on IP diversity.  

This is all especially true if the DMG contains guidelines on creating your own custom content.

I see Setting books as the perfect place for backgrounds/subclasses/races and subraces. Similar to how 2e did things.