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Sacrosanct

#330
June 07, 2012, 04:21:10 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;546908Um, sure there is.  He's not a dunker.



He's not a dunker.

???
QuoteIt's an incredibly efficient method of scoring - but only if you are good at it, are built for it, and you can get around the defense to do it.  This generally puts it in the realm of the Power Forward or Center position, not a guard.  Kobe isn't known for his dunking, and he's a guard who is not built well for dunking.  Bad analogy.  You might have wanted to use a good dunker in your example, like Blake Griffin perhaps?


I think this misses the point at what I was getting at when I made the analogy.  If you have two knowns:

1) person who has the ability and knowledge to do X
2) scenario that presents the opportunity to do X

Then there is no reason why that person can't attempt to do x.  That's the beef I have with 4e.  Even if 1 and 2 are true, you are arbitrarily prevented from doing it.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Mistwell

#331
June 07, 2012, 05:13:36 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;546910???


I think this misses the point at what I was getting at when I made the analogy.  If you have two knowns:

1) person who has the ability and knowledge to do X
2) scenario that presents the opportunity to do X

Then there is no reason why that person can't attempt to do x.  That's the beef I have with 4e.  Even if 1 and 2 are true, you are arbitrarily prevented from doing it.

Really, you're going to stand by the name you used?

Come on dude, let's start with some truths: 1) You clearly are not a basketball fan, or else you would never have used "Kobe" and "Dunking" in the same sentence; 2) You're now distracting from the point I was making (the name you used for your analogy was a bad one) by focusing on a part I was not disputing (the analogy itself, as opposed to the name you attached to it).

Just fucking admit it was an whoops, you're not a basketball fan, but we kinda get what you mean anyway.  In the future, if you use this analogy again, you might want to attach the name Blake Griffin to it, not Kobe Bryant.

Marleycat

#332
June 07, 2012, 05:17:08 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;546913Really, you're going to stand by the name you used?
 
Come on dude, let's start with some truths: 1) You clearly are not a basketball fan, or else you would never have used "Kobe" and "Dunking" in the same sentence; 2) You're now distracting from the point I was making (the name you used for your analogy was a bad one) by focusing on a part I was not disputing (the analogy itself, as opposed to the name you attached to it).
 
Just fucking admit it was an whoops, you're not a basketball fan, but we kinda get what you mean anyway. In the future, if you use this analogy again, you might want to attach the name Blake Griffin to it, not Kobe Bryant.
We get the gist please don't be so pendatic for the sake of it.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Benoist

#333
June 07, 2012, 05:18:04 PM
I know you're a fan of basketball, Mark, but come on, really? Can we not have this conversation derailed over a point of detail that has fuck all to do with RPGs? Thanks.

Sacrosanct

#334
June 07, 2012, 05:25:17 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;546913Really, you're going to stand by the name you used?

Come on dude, let's start with some truths: 1) You clearly are not a basketball fan, or else you would never have used "Kobe" and "Dunking" in the same sentence; 2) You're now distracting from the point I was making (the name you used for your analogy was a bad one) by focusing on a part I was not disputing (the analogy itself, as opposed to the name you attached to it).

Just fucking admit it was an whoops, you're not a basketball fan, but we kinda get what you mean anyway.  In the future, if you use this analogy again, you might want to attach the name Blake Griffin to it, not Kobe Bryant.

Actually, not to continue this derail, I'm actually a huge basketball fan.  And while I admit Kobe doesn't have the hops he used to, this was just a couple weeks ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYN-TFU3nqc

so yeah, he can still dunk.  I used his name knowing that not many people are basketball fans, but nearly everyone knows who Kobe is.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Marleycat

#335
June 07, 2012, 05:28:08 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;546921Actually, not to continue this derail, I'm actually a huge basketball fan. And while I admit Kobe doesn't have the hops he used to, this was just a couple weeks ago
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYN-TFU3nqc
 
so yeah, he can still dunk. I used his name knowing that not many people are basketball fans, but nearly everyone knows who Kobe is.
Thanks given I don't know who Blake Griffin is it was very helpful to me in understanding the analogy.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Bedrockbrendan

#336
June 07, 2012, 05:28:19 PM
I think we are getting lost in the analogy here. If mistwell and sacrosanct say they are fans of basketball I believe them both. We don't need to hold a pissing contest over the issue to establish who has more knowledge of Kobe. Personally I know nothing about the sport.

Sacrosanct

#337
June 07, 2012, 05:29:25 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;546924I think we are getting lost in the analogy here. If mistwell and sacrosanct say they are fans of basketball I believe them both. We don't need to hold a pissing contest over the issue to establish who has more knowledge of Kobe. Personally I know nothing about the sport.

I agree.  Let's just all agree that 4e's arbitrary limits on martial powers makes no sense and move on ;)
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

crkrueger

#338
June 07, 2012, 05:31:27 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;546924I think we are getting lost in the analogy here. If mistwell and sacrosanct say they are fans of basketball I believe them both. We don't need to hold a pissing contest over the issue to establish who has more knowledge of Kobe. Personally I know nothing about the sport.

Doesn't that mean you have to revoke your Boston citizenship?
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Marleycat

#339
June 07, 2012, 05:31:45 PM Last Edit: June 07, 2012, 05:36:38 PM by Marleycat
Quote from: Sacrosanct;546925I agree. Let's just all agree that 4e's arbitrary limits on martial powers makes no sense and move on ;)
Agreed, weird thing is I was having the same conversation over at the TBP on the Ranger design goal thread of all places!
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

crkrueger

#340
June 07, 2012, 05:36:49 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;546927Agreed, weird thing is I am having the same conversation over at the TBP on the Ranger design goal thread of all places!

Whether or not Kobe can dunk?
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

Marleycat

#341
June 07, 2012, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;546928Whether or not Kobe can dunk?
Naw, that Martial Dailes make no sense. At least 4e's implementation of them.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Benoist

#342
June 07, 2012, 05:42:18 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;546929Naw, that Martial Dailes make no sense. At least 4e's implementation of them.

Well that's not like it's a super original conversation surrounding 4e either, right? Though I liked the whole dunking analogy here.

Marleycat

#343
June 07, 2012, 05:44:33 PM
Quote from: Benoist;546931Well that's not like it's a super original conversation surrounding 4e either, right? Though I liked the whole dunking analogy here.
It was far more original I agree. Thank God he mentioned Kobe or I might have thought the subject was donughts.:)
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

B.T.

#344
June 07, 2012, 05:45:02 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;546913Really, you're going to stand by the name you used?

Come on dude, let's start with some truths: 1) You clearly are not a basketball fan, or else you would never have used "Kobe" and "Dunking" in the same sentence; 2) You're now distracting from the point I was making (the name you used for your analogy was a bad one) by focusing on a part I was not disputing (the analogy itself, as opposed to the name you attached to it).

Just fucking admit it was an whoops, you're not a basketball fan, but we kinda get what you mean anyway.  In the future, if you use this analogy again, you might want to attach the name Blake Griffin to it, not Kobe Bryant.
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