Quote from: Benoist;421586OK. TDD posted this somewhere else, but really, the irony is kind of hilarious, so I have to post it here too:

That kid looks so lonely.

 Quick - somebody find him a teenage Abby Sciuto (or Pauley Perrete, Sarah Silverman, Daryl Hannah,...)


- Ed C.

ha ha u r fat.

Quote from: Koltar;421880That kid looks so lonely.

 Quick - somebody find him a teenage Abby Sciuto (or Pauley Perrete, Sarah Silverman, Daryl Hannah,...)


- Ed C.

I suppose if you could package D&D with an amorously inclined movie star of the appropriate gender, that would be a killer app, yeah.

Quote from: Aos;421882ha ha u r fat.

More cushion for the forehead pushin'

Quote from: Cole;421888I suppose if you could package D&D with an amorously inclined movie star of the appropriate gender, that would be a killer app, yeah.

Cole,

 Those are actually somewhat famous women who have admitted to either being nerds or enjoyed D&D gaming at one time or still do.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Cole;421888I suppose if you could package D&D with an amorously inclined movie star of the appropriate gender, that would be a killer app, yeah.

My wife might not approve, though.
Beyond that, nothing makes me feel more lonely than getting together online with friends I've had for decades. I should totally blow them off to go play with strangers at the game store.

Quote from: Koltar;421894Cole,

 Those are actually somewhat famous women who have admitted to either being nerds or enjoyed D&D gaming at one time or still do.


- Ed C.

Yep! The trick is getting them to play with you

Quote from: Aos;421895Beyond that, nothing makes me feel more lonely than getting together online with friends I've had for decades. I should totally blow them off to go play with strangers at the game store.

Sarcasm aside, you make a good point. That's an early 3e ad, isn't it? I think it's targeting the person playing a solo computer game, not a tabletop RPG via online, or even an MMO. I don't object to playing with strangers, but I have enjoyed playing with people I know online, probably more so. It's still social.

Quote from: Cole;421897Sarcasm aside, you make a good point. That's an early 3e ad, isn't it? I think it's targeting the person playing a solo computer game, not a tabletop RPG via online, or even an MMO. I don't object to playing with strangers, but I have enjoyed playing with people I know online, probably more so. It's still social.

Indeed. However, there has always been an element of the hobby that feels that the way it does things is better than the way those other people do things. This site stands as a monument to that, actually. Any time there is the slightest distinction between one group and another, someone starts building a hierarchy; strangely enough, they always place themselves at the top.  For example, I think playing with friends online or off beats playing with strangers. My way is best. However, I realize that I'm oddball in many, many ways, and that likely my way is only best for me. Others, however, require validation, and reassurance that they are doing things the right way, building such hierarchies is an easy, and possibly instinctive way to secure those things.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;421830Not that I play online ( I'm stymied by the exact same router issues you are..) but I consider the online game still to be one in which you are playing with your friends. Is a phone conversation less real than an in-person meeting just because of the interface? It's definitely not the same- but it's still a conversation.

Except that 4e is so much more than a conversation. I'm not talking about the lack of conversational clues picked up from facial expression and body language (both vital ingredients to many a good moment in my RPG life) on the VTT platform. I'm talking about Toy Factor. Minis! Tiles! Actual dice! Power Cards! 4E has it all. And I love it. All that is lost in VTT. I've played toy heavy boardgames like Battlelore over VASL with voice chat. With the same pal I usually play Battlelore with. Same jokes, same game dynamics (a lot faster, naturally), but it still felt flat. When I wanna play I want to move round minis, throw dice, draw and play real cards.

VTT could work well for a different genre with different gameplay. Say, Traveller. Crew only interacting via screen. Now that's evocative. But digital minis? Ehm, no, I'd rather pass. And I'm serious. I rather play Battlelore solo (gasp!) with the real minis than against someone else on VASL (except now and then).

Quote from: Aos;421523Look for yourself, Barbara, it's there.

Is Barbara hot?  

Quote from: Aos;421523They will have a golden opportunity to make customers out of non customers.

Absolutely.   And only the headcases of Grogtardia would think WotC is doing this for them.  

It's about 3.5 players and Pathfinder.   The fucked up OGL and Paizo's excellent business sense have split the D&D audience.  If WotC can make some cash from the 3e players, its smart.

Quote from: Aos;421570the fact they are doing a large out in the open beta is a really good sign.

Agreed.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hasbro is ready to gut WotC and sell off D&D if it doesn't start producing in near M:tG numbers.   The VTT might be the hail mary pass for the company.  

Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;421798I'm pretty sure that interface won an award in 1996.

Ouch.  

Ouch, but true.

Quote from: Windjammer;421927I'm talking about Toy Factor. Minis! Tiles! Actual dice! Power Cards! 4E has it all. And I love it. All that is lost in VTT.

I agree, but VTT isn't about replacing TT play.  It has a two-fold audience:

1) Those without a local gaming group
2) Those who find that VTT D&D is more fun than a video game or MMO

VTT play would be a pale comparison to TT play, but I suspect for RPGers that VTT play will be more fun than MMO play and watching TV.

Quote from: Spinachcat;421968I wouldn't be surprised if Hasbro is ready to gut WotC and sell off D&D if it doesn't start producing in near M:tG numbers.   The VTT might be the hail mary pass for the company.  

Much more likely, I worry, is that they will cancel the D&D game, but hang on to the D&D brand name and attempt to monetize the property in other ways entirely (board games, action figures, console game licensing, lousy TV show, etc.)

Quote from: Spinachcat;421968Is Barbara hot?  



.

Are you asking me is Batgirl is hot? The Sandmen will be there shortly; don't run.

Also, man, if you get a chance before Logan and Francis burn out all your nerves, check this shit out: itabletop

Yvonne Craig was the green orion slave chick, so thus of course she was hot as Batgirl!

But how does "Look for yourself, Barbara, it's there" equal Batgirl?

Quote from: Aos;421972itabletop

Wow....has anyone used iTabletop?

How does it compare to other VTT software?

Quote from: Spinachcat;422001Yvonne Craig was the green orion slave chick, so thus of course she was hot as Batgirl!

But how does "Look for yourself, Barbara, it's there" equal Batgirl?

I can't help you there; the OP is a tool.

Quote from: Spinachcat;422001Wow....has anyone used iTabletop?

How does it compare to other VTT software?

I'd would also like the answers to these questions.