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Author Topic: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D  (Read 9137 times)

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #60 on: May 11, 2022, 06:51:17 PM »
Sounds like religion.

  Sounds like Peoples Temple.   Jim Jones would be so happy with how things are turning out.

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« Reply #61 on: May 11, 2022, 07:07:15 PM »
Sounds like religion.

It certainly does.
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« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2022, 10:41:10 PM »
Sounds like religion.

Cults.

It's the same thing. A cult is a small religion. A religion is a big cult.

A cult is a religion you wish to besmirch or denigrate.

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« Reply #63 on: May 11, 2022, 10:42:24 PM »
Sounds like religion.

Cults. Because they invariably lead to brainwashing and violence just short of every damn time.

Every wave of this SJW disease goes the same route. This is just the worst so far. Expect the 2030 iteration to somehow be worse than this wave.

Then you get the resistance movements which have this bad habit of turning just as oppressive and bigoted as the enemy. Sometimes morphing into the next waves new SJW cult and attacking the prior waves resistance.. We are already seeing this happen and will likely get worse. Look at how many here advocate their own twisted brands of one-true-way and bigotry against whatever they deem "approved Jews" to attack.

Look on the bright side. With the West's suicidal birthrate in a few decades most people will be older and wiser, and the bright young cadres the SJW's draw their activist muscle from will be that much scarcer.

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #64 on: May 12, 2022, 05:57:39 PM »
Sounds like religion.

Cults.

It's the same thing. A cult is a small religion. A religion is a big cult.

I thought of saying much the same. But from experience cults tend to be destructive sooner or later. Sometimes right out the gate. Sometimes down the road. Religions tend to be more passive when left to their own and sometimes you'll get a cult festering within a religion. Sometimes it feels very much like religions have a marked tendency to birth cults.

Ive actually used this idea in some campaigns and one of my books. And the idea was born from watching the Satanic Panic and realizing the ones pointing fingers and screeching "Devil!" were the real cultists.

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« Reply #65 on: May 12, 2022, 06:01:07 PM »
Sounds like religion.

Cults. Because they invariably lead to brainwashing and violence just short of every damn time.

Every wave of this SJW disease goes the same route. This is just the worst so far. Expect the 2030 iteration to somehow be worse than this wave.

Then you get the resistance movements which have this bad habit of turning just as oppressive and bigoted as the enemy. Sometimes morphing into the next waves new SJW cult and attacking the prior waves resistance.. We are already seeing this happen and will likely get worse. Look at how many here advocate their own twisted brands of one-true-way and bigotry against whatever they deem "approved Jews" to attack.

Look on the bright side. With the West's suicidal birthrate in a few decades most people will be older and wiser, and the bright young cadres the SJW's draw their activist muscle from will be that much scarcer.

Thats been said every wave. Its never happened and never will happen. With each wave its gotten worse.

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #66 on: May 12, 2022, 06:31:03 PM »
Sounds like religion.

Cults.

It's the same thing. A cult is a small religion. A religion is a big cult.

I thought of saying much the same. But from experience cults tend to be destructive sooner or later. Sometimes right out the gate. Sometimes down the road. Religions tend to be more passive when left to their own and sometimes you'll get a cult festering within a religion. Sometimes it feels very much like religions have a marked tendency to birth cults.

Ive actually used this idea in some campaigns and one of my books. And the idea was born from watching the Satanic Panic and realizing the ones pointing fingers and screeching "Devil!" were the real cultists.

You can have non-destructive cults that just attract weirdos and don't get any further, and religions that are very destructive. I don't think that's a point where you can distinguish them.

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #67 on: May 12, 2022, 09:36:49 PM »
Violence is how humans problem solve.

Modern weaklings might not like that fact, but the human race historically has solved most of its major issues via bloodshed.

Not a big surprise that RPG problems are mostly solved by human players resorting to violence.

Funnily enough, the first RPG - OD&D - actually built its reward system on NOT fighting more than you needed to do. AKA, gold = XP so stealing the gold without combat was FAR more preferable than wading through combat room after room.


Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.

Truth.

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #68 on: May 13, 2022, 11:18:42 AM »
Greetings!

5E D&D is a great game. All the 5E haters can eat bananas.

Yes, everyone, everywhere, likes D&D. Everyone--including lots of women--want to play D&D. No one gives a fuck about some obscure circle jerk game that you like. Yes, that's right. Obscure, forgotten games will sit there and collect dust, or even if you and a few of your friends play such an obscure game, the obscure games are still largely forgotten and ignored. They are forgotten in game stores; they are forgotten on major online stores; they are forgotten on college campuses; they are forgotten on popular You-Tube Channels.

Meanwhile, it is so easy to get a group of players together for D&D5E, virtually anywhere.

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Popularity doesn't always mean quality.

Just take a look at some of the popular TV shows and you'll see most of it is garbage.

I've played a couple of 5e games and it's ok. It's not great. I prefer my pre-3e versions. My gaming group prefers that as well, and that is what really matters.

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2022, 02:10:57 PM »
5e is not the problem. It is the company connected to it and increasingly the people working on it that are the problem. And the sociopaths they are courting.

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #70 on: May 29, 2022, 03:31:41 PM »
Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.

Pfft, name 15.

Palladium Rifts
Palladium Fantasy
Palladium Heroes Unlimited
Palladium Macross RoboTech
Palladium Sentinels RoboTech
Palladium Invid Invasion RoboTech
Palladium Southern Cross RoboTech
Palladium Rifts Phase World (yes, I consider it a separate game)
West End Games D6 Star Wars
Mini D6 Bare Bones Edition
Dungeons and Delvers Dice Pool Edition
Star Adventurer by RPG Pundit
Pocket Fantasy
Tiny D6 Mecha vs Monsters
Tiny D6 Frontiers
Tiny D6 Supers
Warbirds
Mekton
Cyberpunk 2020
Freeform Universal

…..or pretty much everything.  Not everyone thinks D&D was well written.  I detest the gameplay concept of gaining massive amounts of hit points for being high level.  I much rather play Palladium system of Strike vs Parry/Dodge, and gaining more bonuses for strikes, parry, and dodge as I level up instead of hit points.  Hence the reason so many Palladium games are in my list.   

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I’m glad for you if you like the top selling game of the genre.  Me, I like the road less travelled, and will be the player asking we try a game you’ve never heard of.

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« Reply #71 on: May 29, 2022, 05:45:14 PM »
I'll say that trying to run 3e made me dislike Dungeons & Dragons. Players might love all the bits, but it puts the DM into an extreme antagonist role where you need to master every build to stand a chance of entertaining the players. It requires extreme levels of prep time. Everything was high degrees of work for little payoff as a DM, and your players mostly use you as a punching bag due to the combat system focus. It just wasn't fun to run compared to the red box days. "Hate" is a strong word, and 3e did some innovative things, but I do not have any fondness towards 3e and it turned me off from buying any version after that one.

The good thing about 3e was that it made me look for other games because the old standby was not working for me.

I'm not sure I'll ever touch 5e due to my feelings about 3e.

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« Reply #72 on: May 29, 2022, 06:34:34 PM »
Pfft, name 15.
…..or pretty much everything.
I think when you say name 15 (instead of name 1) you are agreeing there are probably at least 14 better games.
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« Reply #73 on: May 29, 2022, 09:07:02 PM »
Honestly I'd have trouble naming 15 that are worse.
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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #74 on: May 29, 2022, 11:49:32 PM »
5E D&D is a great game. All the 5E haters can eat bananas.

I'll take the banana for my daiquiri...

...and all the 5e lovers can eat a bag of ebola soaked donkey dicks!

Nom nom Shark  8)


Yes, everyone, everywhere, likes D&D. Everyone--including lots of women--want to play D&D.

Unless you're selling tickets to an orgy, "lots of women" ain't a selling point!!

I doubt "everyone" likes D&D or wants to play it. As for fantasy fans who aren't yet roleplayers, most will join a good group with a fun GM regardless of the system being used. It's no harder to get a Game of Thrones fan into a D&D group than into a Palladium Fantasy group since they don't know anything about the hobby other than hoping this RPG thing will be as fun as their fav show.

No one gives a fuck about some obscure circle jerk game that you like. Yes, that's right. Obscure, forgotten games will sit there and collect dust, or even if you and a few of your friends play such an obscure game, the obscure games are still largely forgotten and ignored.

So what?

When did popularity mean anything? Is WotC sending you a check? Don't forget their retarded lead designer said 2A supporters aren't welcome in their hobby. Why support fucknuts who hate you?

5e's popularity means especially nothing when I can walk into a convention, declare I'm running XYZ and get 3-8 players to the table. Do I need 400 to show?

More importantly, why would I want 5e players at my table? I ain't got non-binary dwarves or trans-cat people as PCs and my adventure isn't about saving the Bearded Hambeast Princess from Trump Orcs.


They are forgotten in game stores; they are forgotten on major online stores; they are forgotten on college campuses; they are forgotten on popular You-Tube Channels.

College campuses? You mean that place where they screech about micro-aggressions and mispronouning? I'm sure even wankass 5e is too much for them without safety tools and a cry closet.

If a game store supports an RPG, its because that company supports a Living Campaign system that puts asses in seats in that store. Obviously, only the bigger companies can pull that off. But online stores? Kickstarter, Amazon and DriveThru all sell tons of obscure stuff.

And YouTube? If they are chasing clicks, of course they only want to go with The Current Thing. As soon as 6e is the Current Thing, all those click chasers will forget 5e existed.