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Author Topic: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D  (Read 9145 times)

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2022, 11:58:33 AM »
I think what annoys me most about this line of thought is that it presupposes all RPG conflicts end in violence.

I'll grant social-combat systems aren't usually as well evolved, but a lot of games have them. And if you're slick enough you can wreak havoc on someone without drawing a single weapon.

And that's fine. Clever alternative solutions should be rewarded, not ignored. But this is just 'waaaah violence gives me the sadfeels' (although to be honest, at least this idiot isn't claiming that bare hands melee is nothing to worry about).

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2022, 01:08:45 PM »
An interesting contribution to the moral idiocy we experience; this is a little long but worth it!

https://youtu.be/5e2q3PSTRRY

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2022, 01:25:18 PM »
Whenever someone is saying "they are playing murderers in this game!" I always go "so what? It's a GAME"
The whole point is that it isn't real life. I can see how a murder hobo guy at the table can ruin it for everyone, but if the whole group is into that I'm fine with it. Seriously, I think there is a correlation between entertainment and the trend towards lower amount of violence we see in real life over the last decades.

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2022, 05:18:02 PM »
I think this guy fantasizes as much about you lot as you fantasize about him. I doubt if I de-aged any of you by two thirds, sent you back in time to when he was in high school, and had you beat him up without getting sent to juvie hall like you would in reality, that it would change much. Maybe you'd learn a thing or two in juvie hall, but not much for him at least.

Man, what kind of posh schools are in your area? Most places I’ve been to both as a teacher and as a student just ignore student fights and  bullying. Only time it matters is when someone important is involved. I’ve seen probation officers on campus (who were there to keep an eye on particular students by the way) ignore some bad fights.
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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2022, 07:23:06 PM »

I don't get the hate for 5e. It's not perfect, it's not the best, it's fun and simple enough for people to pickup and learn in a few hours.

Grognard's gonna Grognard and all that jazz.   

For me, it is how it is marketed by WotC. I see no reason to spend money on a game that doesn't satisfy me from a company whose spokesmen think that I shouldn't be playing their game in the first place.

If that means Grognards gonna Grognard, then be useful and hand me some more wine while I bitch to Napoleon over here.
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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2022, 08:15:43 PM »
Sounds like passive-aggressive attention seeking, probably to sell product.

I can understand adventuring conflicts without lethal violence quite well, and so did our ancestors. Jousting and jousting rules, wrestling and wrestling rules, and other such sports are quite prevalent in our shared history and in our history of RPGs. And adventures with even milder conflicts, like skill contests, have been ever present.

But eventually you can come to a point where there is no conflict, no disagreement, basically no dissent or deviation from "goodrightthink" -- and that internal totalitarianism is the death of narrative, progress, and diversity. AND they don't hate narratives, progress, and diversity, do they?!?! >:( ;D No friction, no individuality, and no search for meaning; stasis equals nothingness.  8)
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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #51 on: May 10, 2022, 11:00:27 PM »
Thank goodness for that and thanks to the "moral black hole."

I was beginning to fear D&D wasn't transgressive anymore.

Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the establishment line. D&D is hugely transgressive to the new progressive "elites".
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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #52 on: May 10, 2022, 11:39:11 PM »
I'll grant social-combat systems aren't usually as well evolved, but a lot of games have them. And if you're slick enough you can wreak havoc on someone without drawing a single weapon.
Elaborate social combat systems only serve to turn interactions into a mini game and diminish the roleplaying experience. Social interactions are something functional humans have a good grasp off and do not require extensive rules to fairly adjudicate in a roleplay. Conversely, combat needs rules so that players with no real world combat skills can have their character partake in it. Consequently, the social section of the rules is quite thin and the combat well expanded upon leading players to assume combat is more important. This is further exacerbated by the rule book failing to explain the RP portion of RPG leading the experience to degenerate
 into a board game of roll dice for damage to advance. Sufficiently lethal combat can discourage this behavior, but a failure to RP leads to the pursuit of a different, social, arena for a combat minigame.

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #53 on: May 11, 2022, 12:28:34 AM »
Thank goodness for that and thanks to the "moral black hole."

I was beginning to fear D&D wasn't transgressive anymore.

Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the establishment line. D&D is hugely transgressive to the new progressive "elites".
Why do today's progressives sound so much like yesterday's regressives?
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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #54 on: May 11, 2022, 07:06:22 AM »
Thank goodness for that and thanks to the "moral black hole."

I was beginning to fear D&D wasn't transgressive anymore.

Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the establishment line. D&D is hugely transgressive to the new progressive "elites".
Why do today's progressives sound so much like yesterday's regressives?

They always have been.  </astronaut meme>

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #55 on: May 11, 2022, 09:32:14 AM »
Good. The more these moral busybodies try to force others to do what they say/ and think what they think, the more pushback they get.
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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #56 on: May 11, 2022, 09:44:37 AM »
Thank goodness for that and thanks to the "moral black hole."

I was beginning to fear D&D wasn't transgressive anymore.

Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the establishment line. D&D is hugely transgressive to the new progressive "elites".
Why do today's progressives sound so much like yesterday's regressives?

Because we live in an upside down clown world where people don't care about truth, only advancing their tribe's agenda. They have no self-awareness or recollection of the past, nor the desire to put things in perspective, so they lack any frame of reference that will allow them to evaluate their own actions or ideas. And this works both ways, which is how we end up with people believing that it was always the other side doing the book burnings, even when any cursory look at history, unguided by motivated reasoning, will reveal that's not true.

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #57 on: May 11, 2022, 02:33:17 PM »
Sounds like religion.
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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #58 on: May 11, 2022, 05:24:38 PM »
Sounds like religion.

Cults. Because they invariably lead to brainwashing and violence just short of every damn time.

Every wave of this SJW disease goes the same route. This is just the worst so far. Expect the 2030 iteration to somehow be worse than this wave.

Then you get the resistance movements which have this bad habit of turning just as oppressive and bigoted as the enemy. Sometimes morphing into the next waves new SJW cult and attacking the prior waves resistance.. We are already seeing this happen and will likely get worse. Look at how many here advocate their own twisted brands of one-true-way and bigotry against whatever they deem "approved Jews" to attack.

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Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #59 on: May 11, 2022, 06:04:19 PM »
Sounds like religion.

Cults.

It's the same thing. A cult is a small religion. A religion is a big cult.