D&D wokist with no moral compass thinks everyone playing D&D "justifies violence".
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Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.
I saw that post earlier when they hadn't gotten much attention yet. I'm mildly surprised anyone bothered to take the bait.
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 08, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.
I totally agree on this point. At best, D&D has only been a fallback/compromise candidate since the late 80s.
Quote from: HappyDaze on May 08, 2022, 12:57:36 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 08, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.
I totally agree on this point. At best, D&D has only been a fallback/compromise candidate since the late 80s.
Can confirm.
Games of 'imaginary' violence, oh the horror!!
If that's the case these people should never watch movies/tv, play video games or read any fantasy/sci fi books like EVER.... oh and get off the internet while they are at it ;)
Thank goodness for that and thanks to the "moral black hole."
I was beginning to fear D&D wasn't transgressive anymore.
Someone didn't get beaten up and tossed into enough lockers enough as a kid.
Powerkill satirized "rpgs are crime fantasy!" in the 90s. The wokescolds are a few decades too late.
After watching the video, all I can say is that Patricia Pulling lives on.....
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 08, 2022, 01:27:44 PM
Someone didn't get beaten up and tossed into enough lockers enough as a kid.
Greetings!
Yep! All the socially retarded troglodytes needed to get their asses kicked. Scum like this stupid fucker needs to be "Bullied" relentlessly, to constantly remind them of why they are worthless scum, and deserve it.
This is why we are in the state of affairs we have today, because society allowed schools en masse to be feminized and turned into entitled pussies.
What is missing so much with these kinds of morons, is they didn't get their asses beat enough. Like you said, my friend.
It's amazing how more polite, intelligent, and civil society is when if you run your mouth like a jackass, or just stupidly offend people left and right, you get punched in the fucking mouth and beaten the fuck down. While everyone watching stares at the jackass and laughs at them.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!
*Laughing* REEE! REEE!
The Twitter guy Reeing about D&D violence is a fucking pussy, and a Marxist bitch.
Violence is *good*--especially when it is unleashed against Marxists.
Throughout history, justice is established, and evil is defeated through violence. Violence is a very effective and strong way to accomplish many different goals. Of course, one of the best goals is having enemies killed, so that they cannot continue to actively fight against you. You also don't have to worry about them whispering and scheming against you, or trying to brainwash or groom your children.
Many of these virtues are reflected in the game, which is good. It is especially delicious because it reminds the cock-sucking Marxists that the good, righteous people are coming for them, and someday it can be their day to be strung the fuck up. That thought terrifies them, like scheming rats in the sewer. Of course, this is the just fate of evil, selfish, wicked people that desire to establish tyranny over people that refuse to kneel to Marxism.
The game is about heroes fighting against evil, and monsters.
Great video again, Pundit!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 08, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.
Pfft, name 15.
Quote from: Shasarak on May 08, 2022, 05:12:44 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 08, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.
Pfft, name 15.
I'll bite, and I've actually enjoyed D&D when I've played it but...
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay (Any edition)
Dark Heresy (1at edition)
Rogue Trader
Deathwatch
Only War
Legend of The Five Rings (4th Edition)
Call of Cthulhu
Runequest
Paranoia
Pendragon
Numenera
Starwars (d6)
Nobilis (BWB)
Judge Dredd (GW)
Wild Talents
Mythras
But speaking to the tweet itself, violence without justification for entertainment value applies equally to a Bugs Bunny cartoon, or Tom and Jerry. Luckily they are fictional. And that's basically as far as the discussion needs to go.
Quote from: Shasarak on May 08, 2022, 05:12:44 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 08, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.
Pfft, name 15.
Mekton II
Mekton Zeta
Cyberpunk
Cyberpunk 2020
Cybergeneration
Jovian Chronicles
d6 Star Wars
d6 Star Wars Second Edition
d6 Star Wars Second Edition, Revised and Expanded
Dream Park
Classic Traveller
Megatraveller
Traveller, The New Era
Traveller 4
d20 Traveller
GURPS Traveller
Traveller 5
Mongoose Traveller
Traveller 2300
2300AD
The Ringworld RPG
Cepheus Engine
Advanced Labyrinth Lord
Basic Fantasy
Old School Essentials
Runequest
Call of Cthulhu
Oh, sorry. That is over 15 games better than D&D.....
Hell, if you wanted to get nitpicky, DnD 3.x and Pathfinder 1e are both better than the current DnD 5e. The only game worse than DnD 5e that comes to mind is DnD 4e.
It does feel like some have a tougher time telling reality from fantasy than others.
Eh... what the heck. 15 I enjoy far better than D&D
Over the Edge
Conspiracy-X
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Spirit of the Century
Dungeon World
Legend of the Five Rings
Amber
Runequest
Heroquest
Pendragon
Ringworld
Stormbringer
Traveller
Thieves' Guild
Top Secret
Quote from: SHARK on May 08, 2022, 03:55:12 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 08, 2022, 01:27:44 PM
Someone didn't get beaten up and tossed into enough lockers enough as a kid.
Greetings!
Yep! All the socially retarded troglodytes needed to get their asses kicked. Scum like this stupid fucker needs to be "Bullied" relentlessly, to constantly remind them of why they are worthless scum, and deserve it.
This is why we are in the state of affairs we have today, because society allowed schools en masse to be feminized and turned into entitled pussies.
What is missing so much with these kinds of morons, is they didn't get their asses beat enough. Like you said, my friend.
It's amazing how more polite, intelligent, and civil society is when if you run your mouth like a jackass, or just stupidly offend people left and right, you get punched in the fucking mouth and beaten the fuck down. While everyone watching stares at the jackass and laughs at them.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
It irritates me because, y'know, I'm a geek too. I never got pushed into any lockers, but that didn't mean I didn't deal with my fair share of dickhead jockstrap toads.
But holy shit, these people make me hate them because they're so fucking stupid.
Quote from: SHARK on May 08, 2022, 04:10:13 PM
Greetings!
*Laughing* REEE! REEE!
The Twitter guy Reeing about D&D violence is a fucking pussy, and a Marxist bitch.
Over on BGG theyve been bitching about this on and off again since at least 5e came out.
Its really pathetic when these sociopaths point at RPGs or anything else and decry them as violent or promoting violence. They are so disconnected from reality that its a wonder they dont just vanish in a poof of logic.
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 08, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.
Much better games out there for what exactly? To enjoy performing violence better???!! ;D
The only one I can immediately think of might be SJG's Killer? (OK not an rpg)
Or maybe you were thinking of one of these new fangled story games where if you roll well you get to describe the action!
Player: Oooh look I rolled well, so I'll describe how the 'After being hit by the magical attack, the squished body explodes like an egg in a microwave spraying blood everywhere!'
You're absolutely right Jeff, that's far better than just saying 'I do 12 points of damage'!
Quote from: Shasarak on May 08, 2022, 05:12:44 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 08, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.
Pfft, name 15.
In my own experience, conceptually I could name quite a few games that I liked better than any edition of D&D. But in play, I often found them to be lacking. I think it depends a lot on whether the group is as into the game as the GM is, really.
Around here, there's not much of a market for anything but D&D, and more specifically 5E. Most people just don't get excited for any other game. I have a hard time getting any other games into play regardless of whether I might think that game is objectively better or not. Hell, I'd rather run Shadowrun, Savage Worlds, or Traveller than any edition of D&D at all.
I'm fortunate to have recently found a group that is willing to give Shadowrun a shot.
To add, they are even excited about it. The prospect has generated more discussion about the game, the setting, and what they would like to do with their characters than any discussion generated by past sessions of D&D.
Quote from: ponta1010 on May 09, 2022, 06:49:18 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 08, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.
Much better games out there for what exactly? To enjoy performing violence better???!! ;D
The only one I can immediately think of might be SJG's Killer? (OK not an rpg)
Or maybe you were thinking of one of these new fangled story games where if you roll well you get to describe the action!
Player: Oooh look I rolled well, so I'll describe how the 'After being hit by the magical attack, the squished body explodes like an egg in a microwave spraying blood everywhere!'
You're absolutely right Jeff, that's far better than just saying 'I do 12 points of damage'!
Spoken like someone who's never seen a Rolemaster critical table ... :)
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 09, 2022, 08:02:45 AM
Quote from: ponta1010 on May 09, 2022, 06:49:18 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 08, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.
Much better games out there for what exactly? To enjoy performing violence better???!! ;D
The only one I can immediately think of might be SJG's Killer? (OK not an rpg)
Or maybe you were thinking of one of these new fangled story games where if you roll well you get to describe the action!
Player: Oooh look I rolled well, so I'll describe how the 'After being hit by the magical attack, the squished body explodes like an egg in a microwave spraying blood everywhere!'
You're absolutely right Jeff, that's far better than just saying 'I do 12 points of damage'!
Spoken like someone who's never seen a Rolemaster critical table ... :)
(muffled screaming)
And haha. You said 'table', singular.
But yeah, unless you're playing RaHoWa or FATAL I'm personally not into shaming people for their choice of game. Setting choices, maybe ('Oh noez, we can't have bad things in our game, it gives us the badfeels!'), but hardly systems. Every system has its strengths and weaknesses.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 09, 2022, 08:02:45 AM
Quote from: ponta1010 on May 09, 2022, 06:49:18 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 08, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.
Much better games out there for what exactly? To enjoy performing violence better???!! ;D
The only one I can immediately think of might be SJG's Killer? (OK not an rpg)
Or maybe you were thinking of one of these new fangled story games where if you roll well you get to describe the action!
Player: Oooh look I rolled well, so I'll describe how the 'After being hit by the magical attack, the squished body explodes like an egg in a microwave spraying blood everywhere!'
You're absolutely right Jeff, that's far better than just saying 'I do 12 points of damage'!
Spoken like someone who's never seen a Rolemaster critical table ... :)
that imaginary invisible undead turtle is a mother fucker Party Killer.
Greetings!
5E D&D is a great game. All the 5E haters can eat bananas.
Yes, everyone, everywhere, likes D&D. Everyone--including lots of women--want to play D&D. No one gives a fuck about some obscure circle jerk game that you like. Yes, that's right. Obscure, forgotten games will sit there and collect dust, or even if you and a few of your friends play such an obscure game, the obscure games are still largely forgotten and ignored. They are forgotten in game stores; they are forgotten on major online stores; they are forgotten on college campuses; they are forgotten on popular You-Tube Channels.
Meanwhile, it is so easy to get a group of players together for D&D5E, virtually anywhere.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 02:43:55 PM
Greetings!
5E D&D is a great game. All the 5E haters can eat bananas.
Yes, everyone, everywhere, likes D&D. Everyone--including lots of women--want to play D&D. No one gives a fuck about some obscure circle jerk game that you like. Yes, that's right. Obscure, forgotten games will sit there and collect dust, or even if you and a few of your friends play such an obscure game, the obscure games are still largely forgotten and ignored. They are forgotten in game stores; they are forgotten on major online stores; they are forgotten on college campuses; they are forgotten on popular You-Tube Channels.
Meanwhile, it is so easy to get a group of players together for D&D5E, virtually anywhere.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I don't get the hate for 5e. It's not perfect, it's not the best, it's fun and simple enough for people to pickup and learn in a few hours.
Grognard's gonna Grognard and all that jazz.
Quote from: THE_Leopold on May 09, 2022, 02:51:17 PM
I don't get the hate for 5e. It's not perfect, it's not the best, it's fun and simple enough for people to pickup and learn in a few hours.
I understand the hate. Agree with everything you said, but I understand why people get annoyed with 5e. Outside an out of control power scale, the issue for many is the way it has been marketed and expanded over the years. That Tabaxi Flower Mood Druid, or one of the other 50 dumb concepts is coming to a table near you.
WOTC has taken a tight set of core rules and let themselves go, much like the androgynous blobs found throughout RPG twitter.
The 5e DMG is severely underrated though. With all of the different customization options, 5e can run any genre. 5e PHB, 5e DMG, and something like Random Esoteric Creature Generator, and you are off to the races. When you strip it down, the mechanics are simple and clean. The DMG even fixes some of the power scale when you do things like modify long/short rest requirements. It is all in there, and technically by the book.
Quote from: SHARK on May 08, 2022, 03:55:12 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 08, 2022, 01:27:44 PM
Someone didn't get beaten up and tossed into enough lockers enough as a kid.
Greetings!
Yep! All the socially retarded troglodytes needed to get their asses kicked. Scum like this stupid fucker needs to be "Bullied" relentlessly, to constantly remind them of why they are worthless scum, and deserve it.
This is why we are in the state of affairs we have today, because society allowed schools en masse to be feminized and turned into entitled pussies.
What is missing so much with these kinds of morons, is they didn't get their asses beat enough. Like you said, my friend.
It's amazing how more polite, intelligent, and civil society is when if you run your mouth like a jackass, or just stupidly offend people left and right, you get punched in the fucking mouth and beaten the fuck down. While everyone watching stares at the jackass and laughs at them.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
But you think you wouldn't be one of the ones getting beaten down for the way you're talking?
Quote from: THE_Leopold on May 09, 2022, 02:51:17 PM
I don't get the hate for 5e. It's not perfect, it's not the best, it's fun and simple enough for people to pickup and learn in a few hours.
Grognard's gonna Grognard and all that jazz.
I don't hate it. I'm just bored with it as a system, precisely became everyone wants to play that and only that rules set to accomplish play in any and every genre imaginable. And I'd rather use almost any other system at this point.
I'll agree with the other poster who mentioned DMG modifications can make it more fun to run as a GM less superhero fantasy gamey.
I have yet to experience gaming with any group that would consider those modifications in play without throwing a fit, though. I just don't have a very eclectic bunch of folks to choose from around here. For most it's vanilla 5E from the PHB or nothing, and they can find a table that fits their wants just around the corner if I stick to my guns on changing things things up outside of their PHB paradigm.
Oh well...
Quote from: migo on May 09, 2022, 03:45:06 PM
Quote from: SHARK on May 08, 2022, 03:55:12 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 08, 2022, 01:27:44 PM
Someone didn't get beaten up and tossed into enough lockers enough as a kid.
Greetings!
Yep! All the socially retarded troglodytes needed to get their asses kicked. Scum like this stupid fucker needs to be "Bullied" relentlessly, to constantly remind them of why they are worthless scum, and deserve it.
This is why we are in the state of affairs we have today, because society allowed schools en masse to be feminized and turned into entitled pussies.
What is missing so much with these kinds of morons, is they didn't get their asses beat enough. Like you said, my friend.
It's amazing how more polite, intelligent, and civil society is when if you run your mouth like a jackass, or just stupidly offend people left and right, you get punched in the fucking mouth and beaten the fuck down. While everyone watching stares at the jackass and laughs at them.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
But you think you wouldn't be one of the ones getting beaten down for the way you're talking?
Greetings!
No, Migo, I wouldn't, and I wasn't. I was taught manners and social skills. I don't go looking for trouble, or to unnecessarily provoke or offend someone, either when I was in school and beyond. I socialize and get along fine with different people. If that doesn't work, well, I have always had the strength, size, and skills to make sure it has been a very bad day for anyone that has wanted to fuck around and find out.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 08, 2022, 10:26:29 PM
Quote from: SHARK on May 08, 2022, 03:55:12 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 08, 2022, 01:27:44 PM
Someone didn't get beaten up and tossed into enough lockers enough as a kid.
Greetings!
Yep! All the socially retarded troglodytes needed to get their asses kicked. Scum like this stupid fucker needs to be "Bullied" relentlessly, to constantly remind them of why they are worthless scum, and deserve it.
This is why we are in the state of affairs we have today, because society allowed schools en masse to be feminized and turned into entitled pussies.
What is missing so much with these kinds of morons, is they didn't get their asses beat enough. Like you said, my friend.
It's amazing how more polite, intelligent, and civil society is when if you run your mouth like a jackass, or just stupidly offend people left and right, you get punched in the fucking mouth and beaten the fuck down. While everyone watching stares at the jackass and laughs at them.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
It irritates me because, y'know, I'm a geek too. I never got pushed into any lockers, but that didn't mean I didn't deal with my fair share of dickhead jockstrap toads.
But holy shit, these people make me hate them because they're so fucking stupid.
Greetings!
*Laughing* Yeah, my friend, they annoy the fuck out of me too. When I was in high school, I was weird. I was an intellectual Geek that besides playing D&D, was also on the school Chess Team. But I wasn't just that, though such aspects were true. I was also a Defensive End and Linebacker on the school's football team; I was on the Wrestling team, and the Swim team. So, yeah, I was a jock, too.
I always hated socially retarded, loud-mouthed, sniveling Geeks, just as much as I hated loud-mouthed, rude, arrogant jocks. I was always friends with cool Geeks and cool Jocks.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Omega on May 09, 2022, 03:12:29 AM
Quote from: SHARK on May 08, 2022, 04:10:13 PM
Greetings!
*Laughing* REEE! REEE!
The Twitter guy Reeing about D&D violence is a fucking pussy, and a Marxist bitch.
Over on BGG theyve been bitching about this on and off again since at least 5e came out.
Its really pathetic when these sociopaths point at RPGs or anything else and decry them as violent or promoting violence. They are so disconnected from reality that its a wonder they dont just vanish in a poof of logic.
Greetings!
Yeah, Omega! Besides many of these sociopaths being Marxists--like you point out, geesus, so many of them are just fucking *nuts*. We see all the time now these people in public, showing everyone, and proud--of how absolutely crazy, delusional, and disconnected from reality these people are. Honestly, while it's alarming, and we can enjoy laughing at them, I also believe it is sad, pathetic, and disturbing.
I sometimes wonder, how do these obviously sociopathic, crazy, delusional people make it out of high school? How do they get by in college? How do so many people around them--whether their family, friends, people at work or school--not see how fucked up these people are? Why haven't these people been drugged into happy land or placed in a rubber room many years ago?
Many of these people need to be put on happy drugs every four hours, and have a professional minder following them around. You know? A professional person that drives them everywhere, supervises their social interactions, walks around with them at work or school. Constantly being their companion, handler, and supervisor, until they are taken back home with their family until the next day. These kinds of people need to be strictly supervised on a daily basis.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I have no issues with 5E as a system, aside from the fact that it doesn't seem to do anything I couldn't do myself with Castles & Crusades and a few other 1E/2E/OSR sourcebooks. My issues are with WotC and the general culture surrounding the game. :)
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 04:21:24 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 08, 2022, 10:26:29 PM
Quote from: SHARK on May 08, 2022, 03:55:12 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 08, 2022, 01:27:44 PM
Someone didn't get beaten up and tossed into enough lockers enough as a kid.
Greetings!
Yep! All the socially retarded troglodytes needed to get their asses kicked. Scum like this stupid fucker needs to be "Bullied" relentlessly, to constantly remind them of why they are worthless scum, and deserve it.
This is why we are in the state of affairs we have today, because society allowed schools en masse to be feminized and turned into entitled pussies.
What is missing so much with these kinds of morons, is they didn't get their asses beat enough. Like you said, my friend.
It's amazing how more polite, intelligent, and civil society is when if you run your mouth like a jackass, or just stupidly offend people left and right, you get punched in the fucking mouth and beaten the fuck down. While everyone watching stares at the jackass and laughs at them.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
It irritates me because, y'know, I'm a geek too. I never got pushed into any lockers, but that didn't mean I didn't deal with my fair share of dickhead jockstrap toads.
But holy shit, these people make me hate them because they're so fucking stupid.
Greetings!
*Laughing* Yeah, my friend, they annoy the fuck out of me too. When I was in high school, I was weird. I was an intellectual Geek that besides playing D&D, was also on the school Chess Team. But I wasn't just that, though such aspects were true. I was also a Defensive End and Linebacker on the school's football team; I was on the Wrestling team, and the Swim team. So, yeah, I was a jock, too.
I always hated socially retarded, loud-mouthed, sniveling Geeks, just as much as I hated loud-mouthed, rude, arrogant jocks. I was always friends with cool Geeks and cool Jocks.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Keep this in mind, Shark:
These people never left high school, not psychologically.
Most of us may look back in fondness, or in annoyance, or even loathing... but it's behind us now. It is as irrelevant as the Bee Gees -- no, actually, the Bee Gees are still influencing music today, dammit. But my point is that it's done. Tau. Thirty. Finished.
But for them, it never ended. They're still the same smart-mouthed asshole who was shocked to learn being a cockbite might come back to haunt them. And so they seek any petty way they can to wave their (metaphorical and possibly imaginary) dicks around.
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 04:33:10 PM
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I sometimes wonder, how do these obviously sociopathic, crazy, delusional people make it out of high school? How do they get by in college? How do so many people around them--whether their family, friends, people at work or school--not see how fucked up these people are? Why haven't these people been drugged into happy land or placed in a rubber room many years ago?
...
Because these people are literally the biggest practitioners of self-segregation that you will ever meet.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 09, 2022, 06:20:19 PM
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 04:21:24 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 08, 2022, 10:26:29 PM
Quote from: SHARK on May 08, 2022, 03:55:12 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 08, 2022, 01:27:44 PM
Someone didn't get beaten up and tossed into enough lockers enough as a kid.
Greetings!
Yep! All the socially retarded troglodytes needed to get their asses kicked. Scum like this stupid fucker needs to be "Bullied" relentlessly, to constantly remind them of why they are worthless scum, and deserve it.
This is why we are in the state of affairs we have today, because society allowed schools en masse to be feminized and turned into entitled pussies.
What is missing so much with these kinds of morons, is they didn't get their asses beat enough. Like you said, my friend.
It's amazing how more polite, intelligent, and civil society is when if you run your mouth like a jackass, or just stupidly offend people left and right, you get punched in the fucking mouth and beaten the fuck down. While everyone watching stares at the jackass and laughs at them.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
It irritates me because, y'know, I'm a geek too. I never got pushed into any lockers, but that didn't mean I didn't deal with my fair share of dickhead jockstrap toads.
But holy shit, these people make me hate them because they're so fucking stupid.
Greetings!
*Laughing* Yeah, my friend, they annoy the fuck out of me too. When I was in high school, I was weird. I was an intellectual Geek that besides playing D&D, was also on the school Chess Team. But I wasn't just that, though such aspects were true. I was also a Defensive End and Linebacker on the school's football team; I was on the Wrestling team, and the Swim team. So, yeah, I was a jock, too.
I always hated socially retarded, loud-mouthed, sniveling Geeks, just as much as I hated loud-mouthed, rude, arrogant jocks. I was always friends with cool Geeks and cool Jocks.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Keep this in mind, Shark:
These people never left high school, not psychologically.
Most of us may look back in fondness, or in annoyance, or even loathing... but it's behind us now. It is as irrelevant as the Bee Gees -- no, actually, the Bee Gees are still influencing music today, dammit. But my point is that it's done. Tau. Thirty. Finished.
But for them, it never ended. They're still the same smart-mouthed asshole who was shocked to learn being a cockbite might come back to haunt them. And so they seek any petty way they can to wave their (metaphorical and possibly imaginary) dicks around.
Greetings!
"They have never left high school"
Geesus, Ghostmaker. Isn't that just the damned truth? I admit it, my friend. I'm a Tyrannosaurus Rex. The educational system, the social scene, the culture--has left me behind.
I admit that I really do have a difficult time even understanding these kinds of people. I have no empathy for them whatsoever. Their entire world, their entire self-image, of being whining, sobbing, perpetual victims, of insisting on living a life where they are absolutely smug and self-entitled, of stomping their feet and shrieking that everyone else around them must think just like they do--they really do come across as demented, retarded, vindictive, selfish, hyper-spoiled children.
Somehow, when I was a kid, in high school, high school was mostly aimed at getting you unfucked and prepared for the adult world. Socially, if you didn't pull your head out of your ass, you really did get your ass beat. Girls would laugh at you, and mock you. Maladjusted jackasses didn't go to school dances, and no girl would ever want to dance with them. Guys routinely mocked them to their faces, in classes, in the hallways. Violence was always ready and hovering as a potential. These socially retarded jackasses didn't make friends easily. For girls of similar social disposition, the environment was also harsh and demanding, if nt nearly as prone to violence.
It wasn't a perfect system, by any means, though it was ruthlessly effective at instilling various measures of social control and *forcing* people to get their heads out of their asses and learn basic social skills. Honestly, there were more than a few awkward, maladjusted Geeks as *Freshmen* that transformed into some fairly socialized people by their Senior year. Girls likewise that were unpopular, ugly, antisocial misanthropes as Freshmen, by their Senior year, you could see a lot of positive changes. Of course, while so many of these jackasses cry about such "Toxic Environments" now, I also remember the jobs we all had then, too. The jobs also reinforced the social demands made everyday at school. You worked with older men and women in college, even older adults--none of which would tolerate any bullshit or whining from a smart-assed kid in high school. That was also entirely separate of course, from your bosses, which they too, insisted on a great deal of social conformity, work standards, behavior, attitude, how you spoke to peers, supervisors, customers. Including when other people said something that *offended* you! *Laughing* Imagine that?
School and society in general were far more focused on equipping you to be a functional adult. Seeing the wholesale population of ostensible "adults" now, not really being adults at all, but still weirdly trapped as being adolescents, is such a disconnected kind of feeling, you know? Perhaps I should say "alienating" feeling. It feels like we are increasingly outnumbered by these hyper-grown adolescents though, Ghostmaker!
A bit of a sociological side-trek from the gaming influences, but as with the whole "D&D is Violent!" screeching, the inner roots of these people's thinking, their lack of capability to actually think, or know seemingly basic things, is all related. It so increasingly feels like so many people--especially those under 35--are so uneducated, so ignorant, so absolutely unequipped with basic understandings of logic, rationality, common sense, it can feel like they are from an entirely different planet.
It also makes me wonder, who the fuck was raising them, when they were 8, 10, 12, 15 years old? What were they reading? Who was educating them? Who was insisting on telling them that "A" was right, "B" was wrong; don't fucking dress yourself like that; and no, that's not how to speak properly to someone, and this is how you should go about thinking about stuff, learning to analyze issues, and so on. It's like they were all raised like screeching baboons in a fucking zoo.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Jaeger on May 09, 2022, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 04:33:10 PM
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I sometimes wonder, how do these obviously sociopathic, crazy, delusional people make it out of high school? How do they get by in college? How do so many people around them--whether their family, friends, people at work or school--not see how fucked up these people are? Why haven't these people been drugged into happy land or placed in a rubber room many years ago?
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Because these people are literally the biggest practitioners of self-segregation that you will ever meet.
Greetings!
Practitioners of self-segregation! Yeah, damn, Jaeger! Damn straight on that, huh?
That's sad, though, Jaeger. I remember being pushed, dragged, encouraged, as a kid. Play football. Join teams. Get together with friends. Date girls. Go to dances. Get a fucking job, and *work* Lots of work, and being productive. Somehow also get lots of reading and studying in, too. And the socializing wasn't just with other kids, either, but with older folks too. Parents, family, friends of the family, neighbors, other kids' families, and so on, were also often involved in many things. Not really an environment though that encouraged being isolated, if that makes any sense.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 08:21:08 PM
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Practitioners of self-segregation! Yeah, damn, Jaeger! Damn straight on that, huh?
That's sad, though, Jaeger. I remember being pushed, dragged, encouraged, as a kid.
Yeah, all that is out.
Kids are now asked whether or not they "feel like" doing something.
I certainly don't remember my parents caring one whit about my feelings...
A lot of these kids parents were latchkey kids themselves, and/or from broken homes that resented being pushed from pillar to post.
Their parents impose nothing because they don't want their kids to 'resent' them for anything.
This kind of thing really goes under the radar:
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 08:21:08 PM
...Get a fucking job, and *work* Lots of work, and being productive. .....
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 08:21:08 PM
I also remember the jobs we all had then, too. The jobs also reinforced the social demands made everyday at school. You worked with older men and women in college, even older adults--none of which would tolerate any bullshit or whining from a smart-assed kid in high school. That was also entirely separate of course, from your bosses, which they too, insisted on a great deal of social conformity, work standards, behavior, attitude, how you spoke to peers, supervisors, customers. Including when other people said something that *offended* you! *Laughing* Imagine that?
A big problem today is that almost all those 'entry level' jobs teenagers used to get for extra pocket money are now taken by people trying to pay the rent.
Most kids these days never get a job until they leave college.
So they never learn those skills for how to deal with reality. So just like when they were kids, they ask their parent substitute (Government, the corporation they work for) to intercede on their behalf against the bad people.
That, plus years of indoctrination by leftist teachers in the public school systems...
You take all this together and you can see that they lack the years of preparatory social training previous generations had to properly deal with the real world when it hits them in the face in their early twenties.
Thus the rampant self-segregation they practice to avoid hearing mean things.
Did anyone ever post the Twitter thread about this? So sad I missed the fun.
Quote from: FingerRod on May 09, 2022, 03:26:23 PM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on May 09, 2022, 02:51:17 PM
I don't get the hate for 5e. It's not perfect, it's not the best, it's fun and simple enough for people to pickup and learn in a few hours.
I understand the hate. Agree with everything you said, but I understand why people get annoyed with 5e. Outside an out of control power scale, the issue for many is the way it has been marketed and expanded over the years. That Tabaxi Flower Mood Druid, or one of the other 50 dumb concepts is coming to a table near you.
WOTC has taken a tight set of core rules and let themselves go, much like the androgynous blobs found throughout RPG twitter.
The 5e DMG is severely underrated though. With all of the different customization options, 5e can run any genre. 5e PHB, 5e DMG, and something like Random Esoteric Creature Generator, and you are off to the races. When you strip it down, the mechanics are simple and clean. The DMG even fixes some of the power scale when you do things like modify long/short rest requirements. It is all in there, and technically by the book.
Very much this. 5e is a fairly solid system. Once you fix the fuck-ups of the designers and any early typos and printing gaffs. And then fix the designers fixes.
The problem isnt 5e. Its WOTC whos progressively worked to ruin 5e. Because failure is the only option.
5e doing great?
WOTC "But but muh five year plannnnn! KILL 5e!!!!!!!"
Apparently, you can 'buy' his products though (so I was told).
So basically he's flying the kite by saying some controversial shit to get noticed in order to sell some krud RPG stuff to the woke scolds.
The usual MO.
I think this guy fantasizes as much about you lot as you fantasize about him. I doubt if I de-aged any of you by two thirds, sent you back in time to when he was in high school, and had you beat him up without getting sent to juvie hall like you would in reality, that it would change much. Maybe you'd learn a thing or two in juvie hall, but not much for him at least.
Quote from: This Ends Tonight on May 10, 2022, 09:25:02 AM
I think this guy fantasizes as much about you lot as you fantasize about him. I doubt if I de-aged any of you by two thirds, sent you back in time to when he was in high school, and had you beat him up without getting sent to juvie hall like you would in reality, that it would change much. Maybe you'd learn a thing or two in juvie hall, but not much for him at least.
I think you do not realize how old some of these guys are. Back then, if you beat someone's ass you got suspended from school for a few days and then served an in school suspension. This assumes a standard ass beating and not some sort of twisted maiming of course.
Off school grounds, like near a popular yard people used where I am from, the whooping took place, if the police showed up it was to disperse the crowd, and unless again someone tried to maim someone, no charges, no arrests, nothing other than the stories around who got their ass beat.
I think what annoys me most about this line of thought is that it presupposes all RPG conflicts end in violence.
I'll grant social-combat systems aren't usually as well evolved, but a lot of games have them. And if you're slick enough you can wreak havoc on someone without drawing a single weapon.
And that's fine. Clever alternative solutions should be rewarded, not ignored. But this is just 'waaaah violence gives me the sadfeels' (although to be honest, at least this idiot isn't claiming that bare hands melee is nothing to worry about).
An interesting contribution to the moral idiocy we experience; this is a little long but worth it!
https://youtu.be/5e2q3PSTRRY
Whenever someone is saying "they are playing murderers in this game!" I always go "so what? It's a GAME"
The whole point is that it isn't real life. I can see how a murder hobo guy at the table can ruin it for everyone, but if the whole group is into that I'm fine with it. Seriously, I think there is a correlation between entertainment and the trend towards lower amount of violence we see in real life over the last decades.
Quote from: This Ends Tonight on May 10, 2022, 09:25:02 AM
I think this guy fantasizes as much about you lot as you fantasize about him. I doubt if I de-aged any of you by two thirds, sent you back in time to when he was in high school, and had you beat him up without getting sent to juvie hall like you would in reality, that it would change much. Maybe you'd learn a thing or two in juvie hall, but not much for him at least.
Man, what kind of posh schools are in your area? Most places I've been to both as a teacher and as a student just ignore student fights and bullying. Only time it matters is when someone important is involved. I've seen probation officers on campus (who were there to keep an eye on particular students by the way) ignore some bad fights.
Quote from: THE_Leopold on May 09, 2022, 02:51:17 PM
I don't get the hate for 5e. It's not perfect, it's not the best, it's fun and simple enough for people to pickup and learn in a few hours.
Grognard's gonna Grognard and all that jazz.
For me, it is how it is marketed by WotC. I see no reason to spend money on a game that doesn't satisfy me from a company whose spokesmen think that I shouldn't be playing their game in the first place.
If that means Grognards gonna Grognard, then be useful and hand me some more wine while I bitch to Napoleon over here.
Sounds like passive-aggressive attention seeking, probably to sell product.
I can understand adventuring conflicts without lethal violence quite well, and so did our ancestors. Jousting and jousting rules, wrestling and wrestling rules, and other such sports are quite prevalent in our shared history and in our history of RPGs. And adventures with even milder conflicts, like skill contests, have been ever present.
But eventually you can come to a point where there is no conflict, no disagreement, basically no dissent or deviation from "goodrightthink" -- and that internal totalitarianism is the death of narrative, progress, and diversity. AND they don't hate narratives, progress, and diversity, do they?!?! >:( ;D No friction, no individuality, and no search for meaning; stasis equals nothingness. 8)
Quote from: David Johansen on May 08, 2022, 12:57:02 PM
Thank goodness for that and thanks to the "moral black hole."
I was beginning to fear D&D wasn't transgressive anymore.
Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the establishment line. D&D is hugely transgressive to the new progressive "elites".
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 10, 2022, 11:58:33 AM
I'll grant social-combat systems aren't usually as well evolved, but a lot of games have them. And if you're slick enough you can wreak havoc on someone without drawing a single weapon.
Elaborate social combat systems only serve to turn interactions into a mini game and diminish the roleplaying experience. Social interactions are something functional humans have a good grasp off and do not require extensive rules to fairly adjudicate in a roleplay. Conversely, combat needs rules so that players with no real world combat skills can have their character partake in it. Consequently, the social section of the rules is quite thin and the combat well expanded upon leading players to assume combat is more important. This is further exacerbated by the rule book failing to explain the RP portion of RPG leading the experience to degenerate
into a board game of roll dice for damage to advance. Sufficiently lethal combat can discourage this behavior, but a failure to RP leads to the pursuit of a different, social, arena for a combat minigame.
Quote from: RPGPundit on May 10, 2022, 11:00:27 PM
Quote from: David Johansen on May 08, 2022, 12:57:02 PM
Thank goodness for that and thanks to the "moral black hole."
I was beginning to fear D&D wasn't transgressive anymore.
Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the establishment line. D&D is hugely transgressive to the new progressive "elites".
Why do today's progressives sound so much like yesterday's regressives?
Quote from: David Johansen on May 11, 2022, 12:28:34 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on May 10, 2022, 11:00:27 PM
Quote from: David Johansen on May 08, 2022, 12:57:02 PM
Thank goodness for that and thanks to the "moral black hole."
I was beginning to fear D&D wasn't transgressive anymore.
Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the establishment line. D&D is hugely transgressive to the new progressive "elites".
Why do today's progressives sound so much like yesterday's regressives?
They always have been. </astronaut meme>
Good. The more these moral busybodies try to force others to do what they say/ and think what they think, the more pushback they get.
Quote from: David Johansen on May 11, 2022, 12:28:34 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on May 10, 2022, 11:00:27 PM
Quote from: David Johansen on May 08, 2022, 12:57:02 PM
Thank goodness for that and thanks to the "moral black hole."
I was beginning to fear D&D wasn't transgressive anymore.
Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the establishment line. D&D is hugely transgressive to the new progressive "elites".
Why do today's progressives sound so much like yesterday's regressives?
Because we live in an upside down clown world where people don't care about truth, only advancing their tribe's agenda. They have no self-awareness or recollection of the past, nor the desire to put things in perspective, so they lack any frame of reference that will allow them to evaluate their own actions or ideas. And this works both ways, which is how we end up with people believing that it was always the other side doing the book burnings, even when any cursory look at history, unguided by motivated reasoning, will reveal that's not true.
Sounds like religion.
Quote from: David Johansen on May 11, 2022, 02:33:17 PM
Sounds like religion.
Cults. Because they invariably lead to brainwashing and violence just short of every damn time.
Every wave of this SJW disease goes the same route. This is just the worst so far. Expect the 2030 iteration to somehow be worse than this wave.
Then you get the resistance movements which have this bad habit of turning just as oppressive and bigoted as the enemy. Sometimes morphing into the next waves new SJW cult and attacking the prior waves resistance.. We are already seeing this happen and will likely get worse. Look at how many here advocate their own twisted brands of one-true-way and bigotry against whatever they deem "approved Jews" to attack.
Quote from: Omega on May 11, 2022, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: David Johansen on May 11, 2022, 02:33:17 PM
Sounds like religion.
Cults.
It's the same thing. A cult is a small religion. A religion is a big cult.
Quote from: David Johansen on May 11, 2022, 02:33:17 PM
Sounds like religion.
Sounds like Peoples Temple. Jim Jones would be so happy with how things are turning out.
Quote from: migo on May 11, 2022, 06:04:19 PM
Quote from: Omega on May 11, 2022, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: David Johansen on May 11, 2022, 02:33:17 PM
Sounds like religion.
Cults.
It's the same thing. A cult is a small religion. A religion is a big cult.
A cult is a religion you wish to besmirch or denigrate.
Quote from: Omega on May 11, 2022, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: David Johansen on May 11, 2022, 02:33:17 PM
Sounds like religion.
Cults. Because they invariably lead to brainwashing and violence just short of every damn time.
Every wave of this SJW disease goes the same route. This is just the worst so far. Expect the 2030 iteration to somehow be worse than this wave.
Then you get the resistance movements which have this bad habit of turning just as oppressive and bigoted as the enemy. Sometimes morphing into the next waves new SJW cult and attacking the prior waves resistance.. We are already seeing this happen and will likely get worse. Look at how many here advocate their own twisted brands of one-true-way and bigotry against whatever they deem "approved Jews" to attack.
Look on the bright side. With the West's suicidal birthrate in a few decades most people will be older and wiser, and the bright young cadres the SJW's draw their activist muscle from will be that much scarcer.
Quote from: migo on May 11, 2022, 06:04:19 PM
Quote from: Omega on May 11, 2022, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: David Johansen on May 11, 2022, 02:33:17 PM
Sounds like religion.
Cults.
It's the same thing. A cult is a small religion. A religion is a big cult.
I thought of saying much the same. But from experience cults tend to be destructive sooner or later. Sometimes right out the gate. Sometimes down the road. Religions tend to be more passive when left to their own and sometimes you'll get a cult festering within a religion. Sometimes it feels very much like religions have a marked tendency to birth cults.
Ive actually used this idea in some campaigns and one of my books. And the idea was born from watching the Satanic Panic and realizing the ones pointing fingers and screeching "Devil!" were the real cultists.
Quote from: Neoplatonist1 on May 11, 2022, 10:42:24 PM
Quote from: Omega on May 11, 2022, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: David Johansen on May 11, 2022, 02:33:17 PM
Sounds like religion.
Cults. Because they invariably lead to brainwashing and violence just short of every damn time.
Every wave of this SJW disease goes the same route. This is just the worst so far. Expect the 2030 iteration to somehow be worse than this wave.
Then you get the resistance movements which have this bad habit of turning just as oppressive and bigoted as the enemy. Sometimes morphing into the next waves new SJW cult and attacking the prior waves resistance.. We are already seeing this happen and will likely get worse. Look at how many here advocate their own twisted brands of one-true-way and bigotry against whatever they deem "approved Jews" to attack.
Look on the bright side. With the West's suicidal birthrate in a few decades most people will be older and wiser, and the bright young cadres the SJW's draw their activist muscle from will be that much scarcer.
Thats been said every wave. Its never happened and never will happen. With each wave its gotten worse.
Quote from: Omega on May 12, 2022, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: migo on May 11, 2022, 06:04:19 PM
Quote from: Omega on May 11, 2022, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: David Johansen on May 11, 2022, 02:33:17 PM
Sounds like religion.
Cults.
It's the same thing. A cult is a small religion. A religion is a big cult.
I thought of saying much the same. But from experience cults tend to be destructive sooner or later. Sometimes right out the gate. Sometimes down the road. Religions tend to be more passive when left to their own and sometimes you'll get a cult festering within a religion. Sometimes it feels very much like religions have a marked tendency to birth cults.
Ive actually used this idea in some campaigns and one of my books. And the idea was born from watching the Satanic Panic and realizing the ones pointing fingers and screeching "Devil!" were the real cultists.
You can have non-destructive cults that just attract weirdos and don't get any further, and religions that are very destructive. I don't think that's a point where you can distinguish them.
Violence is how humans problem solve.
Modern weaklings might not like that fact, but the human race historically has solved most of its major issues via bloodshed.
Not a big surprise that RPG problems are mostly solved by human players resorting to violence.
Funnily enough, the first RPG - OD&D - actually built its reward system on NOT fighting more than you needed to do. AKA, gold = XP so stealing the gold without combat was FAR more preferable than wading through combat room after room.
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 08, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.
Truth.
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 02:43:55 PM
Greetings!
5E D&D is a great game. All the 5E haters can eat bananas.
Yes, everyone, everywhere, likes D&D. Everyone--including lots of women--want to play D&D. No one gives a fuck about some obscure circle jerk game that you like. Yes, that's right. Obscure, forgotten games will sit there and collect dust, or even if you and a few of your friends play such an obscure game, the obscure games are still largely forgotten and ignored. They are forgotten in game stores; they are forgotten on major online stores; they are forgotten on college campuses; they are forgotten on popular You-Tube Channels.
Meanwhile, it is so easy to get a group of players together for D&D5E, virtually anywhere.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Popularity doesn't always mean quality.
Just take a look at some of the popular TV shows and you'll see most of it is garbage.
I've played a couple of 5e games and it's ok. It's not great. I prefer my pre-3e versions. My gaming group prefers that as well, and that is what really matters.
5e is not the problem. It is the company connected to it and increasingly the people working on it that are the problem. And the sociopaths they are courting.
Quote from: Shasarak on May 08, 2022, 05:12:44 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 08, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Well, they are bad for playing D&D when there are much better games out there.
Pfft, name 15.
Palladium Rifts
Palladium Fantasy
Palladium Heroes Unlimited
Palladium Macross RoboTech
Palladium Sentinels RoboTech
Palladium Invid Invasion RoboTech
Palladium Southern Cross RoboTech
Palladium Rifts Phase World (yes, I consider it a separate game)
West End Games D6 Star Wars
Mini D6 Bare Bones Edition
Dungeons and Delvers Dice Pool Edition
Star Adventurer by RPG Pundit
Pocket Fantasy
Tiny D6 Mecha vs Monsters
Tiny D6 Frontiers
Tiny D6 Supers
Warbirds
Mekton
Cyberpunk 2020
Freeform Universal
.....or pretty much everything. Not everyone thinks D&D was well written. I detest the gameplay concept of gaining massive amounts of hit points for being high level. I much rather play Palladium system of Strike vs Parry/Dodge, and gaining more bonuses for strikes, parry, and dodge as I level up instead of hit points. Hence the reason so many Palladium games are in my list.
I'll say that trying to run 3e made me dislike Dungeons & Dragons. Players might love all the bits, but it puts the DM into an extreme antagonist role where you need to master every build to stand a chance of entertaining the players. It requires extreme levels of prep time. Everything was high degrees of work for little payoff as a DM, and your players mostly use you as a punching bag due to the combat system focus. It just wasn't fun to run compared to the red box days. "Hate" is a strong word, and 3e did some innovative things, but I do not have any fondness towards 3e and it turned me off from buying any version after that one.
The good thing about 3e was that it made me look for other games because the old standby was not working for me.
I'm not sure I'll ever touch 5e due to my feelings about 3e.
Quote from: weirdguy564 on May 29, 2022, 03:31:41 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on May 08, 2022, 05:12:44 PM
Pfft, name 15.
.....or pretty much everything.
I think when you say name 15 (instead of name 1) you are agreeing there are probably at least 14 better games.
Honestly I'd have trouble naming 15 that are worse.
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 02:43:55 PM
5E D&D is a great game. All the 5E haters can eat bananas.
I'll take the banana for my daiquiri...
...and all the 5e lovers can eat a bag of ebola soaked donkey dicks!
Nom nom Shark 8)
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 02:43:55 PMYes, everyone, everywhere, likes D&D. Everyone--including lots of women--want to play D&D.
Unless you're selling tickets to an orgy, "lots of women" ain't a selling point!!
I doubt "everyone" likes D&D or wants to play it. As for fantasy fans who aren't yet roleplayers, most will join a good group with a fun GM regardless of the system being used. It's no harder to get a Game of Thrones fan into a D&D group than into a Palladium Fantasy group since they don't know anything about the hobby other than hoping this RPG thing will be as fun as their fav show.
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 02:43:55 PMNo one gives a fuck about some obscure circle jerk game that you like. Yes, that's right. Obscure, forgotten games will sit there and collect dust, or even if you and a few of your friends play such an obscure game, the obscure games are still largely forgotten and ignored.
So what?
When did popularity mean anything? Is WotC sending you a check? Don't forget their retarded lead designer said 2A supporters aren't welcome in their hobby. Why support fucknuts who hate you?
5e's popularity means especially nothing when I can walk into a convention, declare I'm running XYZ and get 3-8 players to the table. Do I need 400 to show?
More importantly, why would I want 5e players at my table? I ain't got non-binary dwarves or trans-cat people as PCs and my adventure isn't about saving the Bearded Hambeast Princess from Trump Orcs.
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 02:43:55 PMThey are forgotten in game stores; they are forgotten on major online stores; they are forgotten on college campuses; they are forgotten on popular You-Tube Channels.
College campuses? You mean that place where they screech about micro-aggressions and mispronouning? I'm sure even wankass 5e is too much for them without safety tools and a cry closet.
If a game store supports an RPG, its because that company supports a Living Campaign system that puts asses in seats in that store. Obviously, only the bigger companies can pull that off. But online stores? Kickstarter, Amazon and DriveThru all sell tons of obscure stuff.
And YouTube? If they are chasing clicks, of course they only want to go with The Current Thing. As soon as 6e is the Current Thing, all those click chasers will forget 5e existed.
Quote from: Spinachcat on May 29, 2022, 11:49:32 PM
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 02:43:55 PM
5E D&D is a great game. All the 5E haters can eat bananas.
I'll take the banana for my daiquiri...
...and all the 5e lovers can eat a bag of ebola soaked donkey dicks!
Nom nom Shark 8)
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 02:43:55 PMYes, everyone, everywhere, likes D&D. Everyone--including lots of women--want to play D&D.
Unless you're selling tickets to an orgy, "lots of women" ain't a selling point!!
I doubt "everyone" likes D&D or wants to play it. As for fantasy fans who aren't yet roleplayers, most will join a good group with a fun GM regardless of the system being used. It's no harder to get a Game of Thrones fan into a D&D group than into a Palladium Fantasy group since they don't know anything about the hobby other than hoping this RPG thing will be as fun as their fav show.
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 02:43:55 PMNo one gives a fuck about some obscure circle jerk game that you like. Yes, that's right. Obscure, forgotten games will sit there and collect dust, or even if you and a few of your friends play such an obscure game, the obscure games are still largely forgotten and ignored.
So what?
When did popularity mean anything? Is WotC sending you a check? Don't forget their retarded lead designer said 2A supporters aren't welcome in their hobby. Why support fucknuts who hate you?
5e's popularity means especially nothing when I can walk into a convention, declare I'm running XYZ and get 3-8 players to the table. Do I need 400 to show?
More importantly, why would I want 5e players at my table? I ain't got non-binary dwarves or trans-cat people as PCs and my adventure isn't about saving the Bearded Hambeast Princess from Trump Orcs.
Quote from: SHARK on May 09, 2022, 02:43:55 PMThey are forgotten in game stores; they are forgotten on major online stores; they are forgotten on college campuses; they are forgotten on popular You-Tube Channels.
College campuses? You mean that place where they screech about micro-aggressions and mispronouning? I'm sure even wankass 5e is too much for them without safety tools and a cry closet.
If a game store supports an RPG, its because that company supports a Living Campaign system that puts asses in seats in that store. Obviously, only the bigger companies can pull that off. But online stores? Kickstarter, Amazon and DriveThru all sell tons of obscure stuff.
And YouTube? If they are chasing clicks, of course they only want to go with The Current Thing. As soon as 6e is the Current Thing, all those click chasers will forget 5e existed.
Greetings!
*Laughing* *Rolling*!!! Fucking hilarious, my friend!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK