This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.
NOTICE: Some online security services are reporting that information for a limited number of users from this site is for sale on the "dark web." As of right now, there is no direct evidence of this, but change your password just to be safe.

Author Topic: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D  (Read 2797 times)

SHARK

  • Great White Hope
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3759
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2022, 04:09:29 PM »
Someone didn't get beaten up and tossed into enough lockers enough as a kid.

Greetings!

Yep! All the socially retarded troglodytes needed to get their asses kicked. Scum like this stupid fucker needs to be "Bullied" relentlessly, to constantly remind them of why they are worthless scum, and deserve it.

This is why we are in the state of affairs we have today, because society allowed schools en masse to be feminized and turned into entitled pussies.

What is missing so much with these kinds of morons, is they didn't get their asses beat enough. Like you said, my friend.

It's amazing how more polite, intelligent, and civil society is when if you run your mouth like a jackass, or just stupidly offend people left and right, you get punched in the fucking mouth and beaten the fuck down. While everyone watching stares at the jackass and laughs at them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

But you think you wouldn't be one of the ones getting beaten down for the way you're talking?

Greetings!

No, Migo, I wouldn't, and I wasn't. I was taught manners and social skills. I don't go looking for trouble, or to unnecessarily provoke or offend someone, either when I was in school and beyond. I socialize and get along fine with different people. If that doesn't work, well, I have always had the strength, size, and skills to make sure it has been a very bad day for anyone that has wanted to fuck around and find out.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security bred from familiar things and familiar ways. It narrows the mind. Weakens the body. And robs the soul of spirit and determination. Comfort is neither welcome nor tolerated here."

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but is doing what you have to, in spite of the fear."
"Let Death and Fire Be Their Portion!"
"Delenda Est Parthia!"

SHARK

  • Great White Hope
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3759
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2022, 04:21:24 PM »
Someone didn't get beaten up and tossed into enough lockers enough as a kid.

Greetings!

Yep! All the socially retarded troglodytes needed to get their asses kicked. Scum like this stupid fucker needs to be "Bullied" relentlessly, to constantly remind them of why they are worthless scum, and deserve it.

This is why we are in the state of affairs we have today, because society allowed schools en masse to be feminized and turned into entitled pussies.

What is missing so much with these kinds of morons, is they didn't get their asses beat enough. Like you said, my friend.

It's amazing how more polite, intelligent, and civil society is when if you run your mouth like a jackass, or just stupidly offend people left and right, you get punched in the fucking mouth and beaten the fuck down. While everyone watching stares at the jackass and laughs at them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
It irritates me because, y'know, I'm a geek too. I never got pushed into any lockers, but that didn't mean I didn't deal with my fair share of dickhead jockstrap toads.

But holy shit, these people make me hate them because they're so fucking stupid.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yeah, my friend, they annoy the fuck out of me too. When I was in high school, I was weird. I was an intellectual Geek that besides playing D&D, was also on the school Chess Team. But I wasn't just that, though such aspects were true. I was also a Defensive End and Linebacker on the school's football team; I was on the Wrestling team, and the Swim team. So, yeah, I was a jock, too.

I always hated socially retarded, loud-mouthed, sniveling Geeks, just as much as I hated loud-mouthed, rude, arrogant jocks. I was always friends with cool Geeks and cool Jocks.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security bred from familiar things and familiar ways. It narrows the mind. Weakens the body. And robs the soul of spirit and determination. Comfort is neither welcome nor tolerated here."

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but is doing what you have to, in spite of the fear."
"Let Death and Fire Be Their Portion!"
"Delenda Est Parthia!"

SHARK

  • Great White Hope
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3759
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2022, 04:33:10 PM »
Greetings!

*Laughing* REEE! REEE!

The Twitter guy Reeing about D&D violence is a fucking pussy, and a Marxist bitch.


Over on BGG theyve been bitching about this on and off again since at least 5e came out.

Its really pathetic when these sociopaths point at RPGs or anything else and decry them as violent or promoting violence. They are so disconnected from reality that its a wonder they dont just vanish in a poof of logic.

Greetings!

Yeah, Omega! Besides many of these sociopaths being Marxists--like you point out, geesus, so many of them are just fucking *nuts*. We see all the time now these people in public, showing everyone, and proud--of how absolutely crazy, delusional, and disconnected from reality these people are. Honestly, while it's alarming, and we can enjoy laughing at them, I also believe it is sad, pathetic, and disturbing.

I sometimes wonder, how do these obviously sociopathic, crazy, delusional people make it out of high school? How do they get by in college? How do so many people around them--whether their family, friends, people at work or school--not see how fucked up these people are? Why haven't these people been drugged into happy land or placed in a rubber room many years ago?

Many of these people need to be put on happy drugs every four hours, and have a professional minder following them around. You know? A professional person that drives them everywhere, supervises their social interactions, walks around with them at work or school. Constantly being their companion, handler, and supervisor, until they are taken back home with their family until the next day. These kinds of people need to be strictly supervised on a daily basis.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security bred from familiar things and familiar ways. It narrows the mind. Weakens the body. And robs the soul of spirit and determination. Comfort is neither welcome nor tolerated here."

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but is doing what you have to, in spite of the fear."
"Let Death and Fire Be Their Portion!"
"Delenda Est Parthia!"

Armchair Gamer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • A
  • Posts: 2599
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2022, 06:08:07 PM »
I have no issues with 5E as a system, aside from the fact that it doesn't seem to do anything I couldn't do myself with Castles & Crusades and a few other 1E/2E/OSR sourcebooks. My issues are with WotC and the general culture surrounding the game. :)

Ghostmaker

  • Chlorine trifluoride
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3251
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2022, 06:20:19 PM »
Someone didn't get beaten up and tossed into enough lockers enough as a kid.

Greetings!

Yep! All the socially retarded troglodytes needed to get their asses kicked. Scum like this stupid fucker needs to be "Bullied" relentlessly, to constantly remind them of why they are worthless scum, and deserve it.

This is why we are in the state of affairs we have today, because society allowed schools en masse to be feminized and turned into entitled pussies.

What is missing so much with these kinds of morons, is they didn't get their asses beat enough. Like you said, my friend.

It's amazing how more polite, intelligent, and civil society is when if you run your mouth like a jackass, or just stupidly offend people left and right, you get punched in the fucking mouth and beaten the fuck down. While everyone watching stares at the jackass and laughs at them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
It irritates me because, y'know, I'm a geek too. I never got pushed into any lockers, but that didn't mean I didn't deal with my fair share of dickhead jockstrap toads.

But holy shit, these people make me hate them because they're so fucking stupid.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yeah, my friend, they annoy the fuck out of me too. When I was in high school, I was weird. I was an intellectual Geek that besides playing D&D, was also on the school Chess Team. But I wasn't just that, though such aspects were true. I was also a Defensive End and Linebacker on the school's football team; I was on the Wrestling team, and the Swim team. So, yeah, I was a jock, too.

I always hated socially retarded, loud-mouthed, sniveling Geeks, just as much as I hated loud-mouthed, rude, arrogant jocks. I was always friends with cool Geeks and cool Jocks.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Keep this in mind, Shark:

These people never left high school, not psychologically.

Most of us may look back in fondness, or in annoyance, or even loathing... but it's behind us now. It is as irrelevant as the Bee Gees -- no, actually, the Bee Gees are still influencing music today, dammit. But my point is that it's done. Tau. Thirty. Finished.

But for them, it never ended. They're still the same smart-mouthed asshole who was shocked to learn being a cockbite might come back to haunt them. And so they seek any petty way they can to wave their (metaphorical and possibly imaginary) dicks around.

Jaeger

  • That someone better.
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1122
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2022, 07:32:14 PM »
...
I sometimes wonder, how do these obviously sociopathic, crazy, delusional people make it out of high school? How do they get by in college? How do so many people around them--whether their family, friends, people at work or school--not see how fucked up these people are? Why haven't these people been drugged into happy land or placed in a rubber room many years ago?
...

Because these people are literally the biggest practitioners of self-segregation that you will ever meet.
"The envious are not satisfied with equality; they secretly yearn for superiority and revenge."

https://hereistheevidence.com/
Join Date: October 11, 2006

SHARK

  • Great White Hope
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3759
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2022, 08:14:10 PM »
Someone didn't get beaten up and tossed into enough lockers enough as a kid.

Greetings!

Yep! All the socially retarded troglodytes needed to get their asses kicked. Scum like this stupid fucker needs to be "Bullied" relentlessly, to constantly remind them of why they are worthless scum, and deserve it.

This is why we are in the state of affairs we have today, because society allowed schools en masse to be feminized and turned into entitled pussies.

What is missing so much with these kinds of morons, is they didn't get their asses beat enough. Like you said, my friend.

It's amazing how more polite, intelligent, and civil society is when if you run your mouth like a jackass, or just stupidly offend people left and right, you get punched in the fucking mouth and beaten the fuck down. While everyone watching stares at the jackass and laughs at them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
It irritates me because, y'know, I'm a geek too. I never got pushed into any lockers, but that didn't mean I didn't deal with my fair share of dickhead jockstrap toads.

But holy shit, these people make me hate them because they're so fucking stupid.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yeah, my friend, they annoy the fuck out of me too. When I was in high school, I was weird. I was an intellectual Geek that besides playing D&D, was also on the school Chess Team. But I wasn't just that, though such aspects were true. I was also a Defensive End and Linebacker on the school's football team; I was on the Wrestling team, and the Swim team. So, yeah, I was a jock, too.

I always hated socially retarded, loud-mouthed, sniveling Geeks, just as much as I hated loud-mouthed, rude, arrogant jocks. I was always friends with cool Geeks and cool Jocks.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Keep this in mind, Shark:

These people never left high school, not psychologically.

Most of us may look back in fondness, or in annoyance, or even loathing... but it's behind us now. It is as irrelevant as the Bee Gees -- no, actually, the Bee Gees are still influencing music today, dammit. But my point is that it's done. Tau. Thirty. Finished.

But for them, it never ended. They're still the same smart-mouthed asshole who was shocked to learn being a cockbite might come back to haunt them. And so they seek any petty way they can to wave their (metaphorical and possibly imaginary) dicks around.

Greetings!

"They have never left high school"

Geesus, Ghostmaker. Isn't that just the damned truth? I admit it, my friend. I'm a Tyrannosaurus Rex. The educational system, the social scene, the culture--has left me behind.

I admit that I really do have a difficult time even understanding these kinds of people. I have no empathy for them whatsoever. Their entire world, their entire self-image, of being whining, sobbing, perpetual victims, of insisting on living a life where they are absolutely smug and self-entitled, of stomping their feet and shrieking that everyone else around them must think just like they do--they really do come across as demented, retarded, vindictive, selfish, hyper-spoiled children.

Somehow, when I was a kid, in high school, high school was mostly aimed at getting you unfucked and prepared for the adult world. Socially, if you didn't pull your head out of your ass, you really did get your ass beat. Girls would laugh at you, and mock you. Maladjusted jackasses didn't go to school dances, and no girl would ever want to dance with them. Guys routinely mocked them to their faces, in classes, in the hallways. Violence was always ready and hovering as a potential. These socially retarded jackasses didn't make friends easily. For girls of similar social disposition, the environment was also harsh and demanding, if nt nearly as prone to violence.

It wasn't a perfect system, by any means, though it was ruthlessly effective at instilling various measures of social control and *forcing* people to get their heads out of their asses and learn basic social skills. Honestly, there were more than a few awkward, maladjusted Geeks as *Freshmen* that transformed into some fairly socialized people by their Senior year. Girls likewise that were unpopular, ugly, antisocial misanthropes as Freshmen, by their Senior year, you could see a lot of positive changes. Of course, while so many of these jackasses cry about such "Toxic Environments" now, I also remember the jobs we all had then, too. The jobs also reinforced the social demands made everyday at school. You worked with older men and women in college, even older adults--none of which would tolerate any bullshit or whining from a smart-assed kid in high school. That was also entirely separate of course, from your bosses, which they too, insisted on a great deal of social conformity, work standards, behavior, attitude, how you spoke to peers, supervisors, customers. Including when other people said something that *offended* you! *Laughing* Imagine that?

School and society in general were far more focused on equipping you to be a functional adult. Seeing the wholesale population of ostensible "adults" now, not really being adults at all, but still weirdly trapped as being adolescents, is such a disconnected kind of feeling, you know? Perhaps I should say "alienating" feeling. It feels like we are increasingly outnumbered by these hyper-grown adolescents though, Ghostmaker!

A bit of a sociological side-trek from the gaming influences, but as with the whole "D&D is Violent!" screeching, the inner roots of these people's thinking, their lack of capability to actually think, or know seemingly basic things, is all related. It so increasingly feels like so many people--especially those under 35--are so uneducated, so ignorant, so absolutely unequipped with basic understandings of logic, rationality, common sense, it can feel like they are from an entirely different planet.

It also makes me wonder, who the fuck was raising them, when they were 8, 10, 12, 15 years old? What were they reading? Who was educating them? Who was insisting on telling them that "A" was right, "B" was wrong; don't fucking dress yourself like that; and no, that's not how to speak properly to someone, and this is how you should go about thinking about stuff, learning to analyze issues, and so on. It's like they were all raised like screeching baboons in a fucking zoo.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security bred from familiar things and familiar ways. It narrows the mind. Weakens the body. And robs the soul of spirit and determination. Comfort is neither welcome nor tolerated here."

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but is doing what you have to, in spite of the fear."
"Let Death and Fire Be Their Portion!"
"Delenda Est Parthia!"

SHARK

  • Great White Hope
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3759
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2022, 08:21:08 PM »
...
I sometimes wonder, how do these obviously sociopathic, crazy, delusional people make it out of high school? How do they get by in college? How do so many people around them--whether their family, friends, people at work or school--not see how fucked up these people are? Why haven't these people been drugged into happy land or placed in a rubber room many years ago?
...

Because these people are literally the biggest practitioners of self-segregation that you will ever meet.

Greetings!

Practitioners of self-segregation! Yeah, damn, Jaeger! Damn straight on that, huh?

That's sad, though, Jaeger. I remember being pushed, dragged, encouraged, as a kid. Play football. Join teams. Get together with friends. Date girls. Go to dances. Get a fucking job, and *work* Lots of work, and being productive. Somehow also get lots of reading and studying in, too. And the socializing wasn't just with other kids, either, but with older folks too. Parents, family, friends of the family, neighbors, other kids' families, and so on, were also often involved in many things. Not really an environment though that encouraged being isolated, if that makes any sense.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security bred from familiar things and familiar ways. It narrows the mind. Weakens the body. And robs the soul of spirit and determination. Comfort is neither welcome nor tolerated here."

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but is doing what you have to, in spite of the fear."
"Let Death and Fire Be Their Portion!"
"Delenda Est Parthia!"

GeekyBugle

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4575
  • Now even more Toxic
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2022, 09:40:43 PM »
I'm not bad, I'm

Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

― George Orwell

Jaeger

  • That someone better.
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1122
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2022, 09:53:46 PM »
...

Practitioners of self-segregation! Yeah, damn, Jaeger! Damn straight on that, huh?

That's sad, though, Jaeger. I remember being pushed, dragged, encouraged, as a kid.

Yeah, all that is out.

Kids are now asked whether or not they "feel like" doing something.

I certainly don't remember my parents caring one whit about my feelings...

A lot of these kids parents were latchkey kids themselves, and/or from broken homes that resented being pushed from pillar to post.

Their parents impose nothing because they don't want their kids to 'resent' them for anything.


This kind of thing really goes under the radar:

...Get a fucking job, and *work* Lots of work, and being productive. .....

I also remember the jobs we all had then, too. The jobs also reinforced the social demands made everyday at school. You worked with older men and women in college, even older adults--none of which would tolerate any bullshit or whining from a smart-assed kid in high school. That was also entirely separate of course, from your bosses, which they too, insisted on a great deal of social conformity, work standards, behavior, attitude, how you spoke to peers, supervisors, customers. Including when other people said something that *offended* you! *Laughing* Imagine that?

A big problem today is that almost all those 'entry level' jobs teenagers used to get for extra pocket money are now taken by people trying to pay the rent.

Most kids these days never get a job until they leave college.

So they never learn those skills for how to deal with reality. So just like when they were kids, they ask their parent substitute (Government, the corporation they work for) to intercede on their behalf against the bad people.

That, plus years of indoctrination by leftist teachers in the public school systems...

You take all this together and you can see that they lack the years of preparatory social training previous generations had to properly deal with the real world when it hits them in the face in their early twenties.

Thus the rampant self-segregation they practice to avoid hearing mean things.
"The envious are not satisfied with equality; they secretly yearn for superiority and revenge."

https://hereistheevidence.com/
Join Date: October 11, 2006

zend0g

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 78
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2022, 11:55:11 PM »
Did anyone ever post the Twitter thread about this? So sad I missed the fun.
If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest person, I will find something in them to be offended.

Omega

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • O
  • Posts: 15933
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2022, 04:12:11 AM »
I don't get the hate for 5e. It's not perfect, it's not the best, it's fun and simple enough for people to pickup and learn in a few hours.

I understand the hate. Agree with everything you said, but I understand why people get annoyed with 5e. Outside an out of control power scale, the issue for many is the way it has been marketed and expanded over the years. That Tabaxi Flower Mood Druid, or one of the other 50 dumb concepts is coming to a table near you.

WOTC has taken a tight set of core rules and let themselves go, much like the androgynous blobs found throughout RPG twitter.

The 5e DMG is severely underrated though. With all of the different customization options, 5e can run any genre. 5e PHB, 5e DMG, and something like Random Esoteric Creature Generator, and you are off to the races. When you strip it down, the mechanics are simple and clean. The DMG even fixes some of the power scale when you do things like modify long/short rest requirements. It is all in there, and technically by the book.

Very much this. 5e is a fairly solid system. Once you fix the fuck-ups of the designers and any early typos and printing gaffs. And then fix the designers fixes.

The problem isnt 5e. Its WOTC whos progressively worked to ruin 5e. Because failure is the only option.

5e doing great?
WOTC "But but muh five year plannnnn! KILL 5e!!!!!!!"

Rob Necronomicon

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 791
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2022, 05:58:04 AM »
Apparently, you can 'buy' his products though (so I was told).

So basically he's flying the kite by saying some controversial shit to get noticed in order to sell some krud RPG stuff to the woke scolds.

The usual MO.
Definition of the exceedingly complex word for specific - "clearly defined or identified"

This Ends Tonight

  • Newbie
  • *
  • T
  • Posts: 9
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2022, 09:25:02 AM »
I think this guy fantasizes as much about you lot as you fantasize about him. I doubt if I de-aged any of you by two thirds, sent you back in time to when he was in high school, and had you beat him up without getting sent to juvie hall like you would in reality, that it would change much. Maybe you'd learn a thing or two in juvie hall, but not much for him at least.

oggsmash

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3082
Re: Moral Black-Hole Thinks You're Bad for Playing D&D
« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2022, 09:38:12 AM »
I think this guy fantasizes as much about you lot as you fantasize about him. I doubt if I de-aged any of you by two thirds, sent you back in time to when he was in high school, and had you beat him up without getting sent to juvie hall like you would in reality, that it would change much. Maybe you'd learn a thing or two in juvie hall, but not much for him at least.

  I think you do not realize how old some of these guys are.  Back then, if you beat someone's ass you got suspended from school for a few days and then served an in school suspension.  This assumes a standard ass beating and not some sort of twisted maiming of course.   

  Off school grounds, like near a popular yard people used where I am from, the whooping took place, if the police showed up it was to disperse the crowd, and unless again someone tried to maim someone, no charges, no arrests, nothing other than the stories around who got their ass beat.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2022, 09:42:02 AM by oggsmash »