Quote from: S'mon;1103807My pub actually bans swearing!

Heh.  There's a place out here in Cali that does the same thing.  The wife and I used to go there with friends on the regular, before we had kids.  It sounds restrictive and weird, but it helps keep the riff-raff away.

Quote from: Alexander Kalinowski;1103800Is Monte Cook really such a great designer? .

Yes, for d20 Cthulhu alone, I'd say he is great. But 3E pretty much saved D&D. In hindsight, it had its issues, like any edition. But at the time most people I knew loved the system. And Numenera is quite an interesting game in its own right (much more of a boutique RPG than 3E, but the setting is very creative and the mechanics seem interesting---still haven't played enough to really judge it thoroughly though). Things don't need to be original to be good design (I will leave the originality if 3e debate for others).

It's not politics, it's religion. Some people just need a place in their mind for piety, orthodoxy, and moral certitude. It's surely no coincidence that this credo has taken deepest root in the demographics that have turned away from traditional religion.

Quote from: Brendan;1103812Heh.  There's a place out here in Cali that does the same thing.  The wife and I used to go there with friends on the regular, before we had kids.  It sounds restrictive and weird, but it helps keep the riff-raff away.

Yeah, we nearly got thrown out...

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;1103813Yes, for d20 Cthulhu alone, I'd say he is great. But 3E pretty much saved D&D. In hindsight, it had its issues, like any edition. But at the time most people I knew loved the system. And Numenera is quite an interesting game in its own right (much more of a boutique RPG than 3E, but the setting is very creative and the mechanics seem interesting---still haven't played enough to really judge it thoroughly though). Things don't need to be original to be good design (I will leave the originality if 3e debate for others).

Seems like any edition that needs to save D&D ends up being well received.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;1103813Yes, for d20 Cthulhu alone, I'd say he is great. But 3E pretty much saved D&D. In hindsight, it had its issues, like any edition. But at the time most people I knew loved the system. And Numenera is quite an interesting game in its own right (much more of a boutique RPG than 3E, but the setting is very creative and the mechanics seem interesting---still haven't played enough to really judge it thoroughly though). Things don't need to be original to be good design (I will leave the originality if 3e debate for others).

I won't speak for d20 Cthulhu (never played it).

But I'm going to say that I think, with zero proof, that D&D3e in any competent designer's hands would have been a huge seller because the time was simply perfect for it. New generation of players came of age at that time, older players had beaten 1e/2e into the ground and were hungry for it. I think 3e had conceptually a LOT of good ideas, but the execution of it was ultimately not good. How much was Tweet/Cook is irrelevant to me ultimately. As a design, I think 3e set the stage for a lot of bad things design-wise.

That said I do think Cook is *far* more imaginative in his settings than his mechanics. I think his mechanical design is middling at best. But his setting fluff and concepts are excellent.

Numenara in particular is pretty cool. I think it stumbles away from a lot of the darker and cooler potential it otherwise could have, and mires itself in D&D-fantasy tropes needlessly, but it's a very interesting setting. I'll never run it natively though because the Cypher-system is just bad.

Overall I do think Cook is over-rated as a Game Designer. Tweet on the other hand... that dude is next-level.

Quote from: PencilBoy99;1103797Am I correct that it actually states that you can't ask someone to leave the group whose sensibilities don't agree with you? If I want to run CoC Horror and player X doesn't like that I'm not allowed to ever run that because he/she is part of my group now?

Piss on that.  If they don't want to play the game you are running, then by default they aren't in your group.

Quote from: Haffrung;1103818It's not politics, it's religion. Some people just need a place in their mind for piety, orthodoxy, and moral certitude. It's surely no coincidence that this credo has taken deepest root in the demographics that have turned away from traditional religion.

Well, politics as religion--which is two-thirds of the reason why it shouldn't be in gaming.  The only thing that would be worse would be sex and politics as religion in gaming.  Oh, wait ...

Nearly all of the vast social media posts make it clear that no dissent will be brooked on this topic

Quote from: Haffrung;1103818It's not politics, it's religion. Some people just need a place in their mind for piety, orthodoxy, and moral certitude. It's surely no coincidence that this credo has taken deepest root in the demographics that have turned away from traditional religion.

Yes, it goes much deeper than politics.  It has become a religion of sorts for the special snowflakes.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1103823Seems like any edition that needs to save D&D ends up being well received.

Well said.  3E succeeded, and 5E is a raging success.

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1103798I don't even think anymore that it's pandering. I am convinced that this is who WOTC are. They infiltrated the hobby and the industry.

Fuck, if WOTC has gone woke, the hobby is fucked.

Either Hasbro will bail them out or throw them to the wolves if the wokeness starts causing brokeness.

We've already seen what SJW Leftism did to White Wolf (and by extension Onyx Path) and what it's doing to Paizo, and those were two of their more prolific competitors at different points in time.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1103919Fuck, if WOTC has gone woke, the hobby is fucked.

Either Hasbro will bail them out or throw them to the wolves if the wokeness starts causing brokeness.

We've already seen what SJW Leftism did to White Wolf (and by extension Onyx Path) and what it's doing to Paizo, and those were two of their more prolific competitors at different points in time.

Thank God for individuals who want to make their own forks to counter this insanity.

So, is the problem that Monte Cook is forcing anyone to play his game? Or is this another, "Grrr, those people exist!" thing?...let me guess...

Quote from: cranebump;1103923So, is the problem that Monte Cook is forcing anyone to play his game? Or is this another, "Grrr, those people exist!" thing?...let me guess...

I bet Shanna and Sean's Consent book makes perfect sense in the Seattle gaming scene (and a good reason that as much as I loved Seattle back in the day I guess I'm never going back).