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Between this video, Critical role being porn and his latest which to me at least comes off as "if your not doing it my way it's badwrongfun it just seems like less wanting to discuss and more on gatekeeping and gronardism.

I don't think Pundit is gatekeeping - he wants people, even thespians, to play RPGs - but I think he wants attention, and he thinks this is the way to get it. Really, picking a fight with a more famous Youtube personality is a standard attention-seeking tactic on Youtube; but it's not particularly edifying.

Quote from: sureshot;1071763I guess I should have written I and instead of we. I suppose some might come across still as speaking for others. Not my intention and I generally agree with Pundit opinion on many subjects.

Between this video, Critical role being porn and his latest which to me at least comes off as "if your not doing it my way it's badwrongfun it just seems like less wanting to discuss and more on gatekeeping and gronardism. Some in the hobby just want to play and run heroic games. Some want to play and run less heroic styles games. Neither is badwrongfun on any remote level. It's just different styles in play. The less heroic is not my cup of tea but I'm not going to say they are playing wrong simply to enforce what seems to be an increasingly narrow and only one way to run rpgs position by the Pundit.

Except it doesn't matter what you want to run. Sword & Sorcery D&D, for example, is just a more pagan variant of the Hero's journey. And playing an "evil party" campaign is just the flipside of the heroic campaign.

Unless what you want to run is a setting with 2018 left-coast values where all the characters are just quirky hipsters or tragic victims, this still affects you.

Critical Role and other pod-cast play sessions have made enough people generally interested in the idea of RPGs that I was able to wave my hand and create a second Savage Worlds group.

People thinking improv acting is the highest form of Role Playing is a small price to pay for the increased interest.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1071826Except it doesn't matter what you want to run. Sword & Sorcery D&D, for example, is just a more pagan variant of the Hero's journey. And playing an "evil party" campaign is just the flipside of the heroic campaign.

Not sure what the point being made here. Whatever rpg or campaign I decide to run if I am comfortable running it I adapt and run it. No one is holding a literal and metaphorical gun to my head. If you wan to act like their is one it's on you.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1071826Unless what you want to run is a setting with 2018 left-coast values where all the characters are just quirky hipsters or tragic victims, this still affects you.

I have yet to find a setting where the core values is just characters being quirky hipsters or tragic victims. I would probably never play or run such a setting. Nor would a play a quirky hipster if that even exists in a setting. Tragic hero why not some great myth and stories have such characters. I get it your bothered by others not playing your one true way yet the hobby will survive. Stop worrying about what others say on Twitter as well as Matt Mercer or anyone else filming their games. Unless you give them views by drawing attention to them they really don't seem to care about you. Unless damn it all you need to be validated be their attention it's not healthy for you.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1071830Critical Role and other pod-cast play sessions have made enough people generally interested in the idea of RPGs that I was able to wave my hand and create a second Savage Worlds group.

People thinking improv acting is the highest form of Role Playing is a small price to pay for the increased interest.

Apparently it's not only the end of the rpg world as we know it yes indeed. We are also forced because of such shows to HAVE run it exactly the way it comes in those videos. The only thing Pundit to me at least is giving them attention and views. While coming across as needing attention. When the majority of the people in the thread don't seem to care or are bothered by the OP and your still trying to draw attention to the topic well your trying to get validation and attention imo.

 It's also not helped that most of the last videos seems to be "if it's not done my approved way it's bad wrong fun". If the roles were reversed and he not Critical Role was more popular he would not give a crap about them. If he did only to stir up more drama for more views. That's why unlike in the past I'm starting to dislike his videos more because it's less to help the hobby and more to stir up drama and controversy for more views and clicks and attention seeking.

Quote from: sureshot;1071833Apparently it's not only the end of the rpg world as we know it yes indeed. We are also forced because of such shows to HAVE run it exactly the way it comes in those videos. The only thing Pundit to me at least is giving them attention and views. While coming across as needing attention. When the majority of the people in the thread don't seem to care or are bothered by the OP and your still trying to draw attention to the topic well your trying to get validation and attention imo. It's also not helped that most of the last videos seems to be "if it's not done my approved way it's bad wrong fun". If the roles were reversed and he not Critical Role was more popular he would not give a crap about them. If he did only to stir up more drama for more views. That's why unlike in the past I'm starting to dislike his videos more because it's less to help the hobby and more to stir up drama and controversy for more views and clicks and attention seeking.

After the first session, "That was fun, but not anything like the podcast."

Me, "Those are TV shows for the audiences enjoyment" and that was the end of it.

I still run games with these people. Now my main group has some CR fans so there is way more butthurt about not believing it is real but I do not rub their face in it. One guy is particularly bad at thinking CR is ideal and tries to run/play games like it and bores everyone with his RP when he isn't muder-hoboing

I'm lucky in that I have met players and DMs who have heard and some watch Critical Role none of them think it's the only way to play D&D.

Sure are their some in the hobby that do. I'm sure there is. Yo the sky is falling, end of the world for our hobby. I doubt it. Even then it's on them to realize the difference.

As someone pointed out earlier in this thread, watching other people do stuff on youtube is huge with kids, so CR is probably some of the most effective (in volume, at least) outreach to younger potential players that the game is likely to get. If 10,000 people try D&D this year as a result of watching CR and 7,000 of them leave after the first few sessions because it's not like what they saw on youtube, that's still 3,000 new players.

I can't even remember all of the threads I've seen in various online forums over the years about the "death of the hobby", the "graying of the hobby", "RPGs are destined to go the way of model railroading in the next 10 years" & etc. Some players having initial misconceptions about what a real game looks like is a small price to pay for bringing in new blood.

Quote from: S'mon;1071766I don't think Pundit is gatekeeping - he wants people, even thespians, to play RPGs - but I think he wants attention, and he thinks this is the way to get it. Really, picking a fight with a more famous Youtube personality is a standard attention-seeking tactic on Youtube; but it's not particularly edifying.

  I don't think Pundit is gatekeeping so much as indoctrinating. He wants all sorts to play D&D, he just wants them to play it 'right'.

It's baffling to me that anyone could read/watch the OP here and think it has anything to do with playing the game the "right" way. Sounds like a straight up strawman to me.

Quote from: Zalman;1071870It's baffling to me that anyone could read/watch the OP here and think it has anything to do with playing the game the "right" way. Sounds like a straight up strawman to me.

I was going more by my impression of his overall work than the actual video, so I've deleted the relevant post.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1071632I've seen Mercer's responses. They little shit just DOUBLES DOWN on saying "we're just a normal but much more awesome campaign, and so you shouldn't be mad at your  inferior DM for not being able to reach our level of entertainment" rather than ADMITTING IT'S AN ACT. That his Player are ACTING as players.

Then to top it all off, because an essential part of Mercer's FAKE PERSONA is being a "nice guy" he tweets about how he just wishes he could sit down with me and talk and then we could understand each other. But he did this minutes after he was just bragging about how he can't see my posts because he has me Muted.

So he's a FUCKING LIAR. And as fake a moralist of the Left as a TV evangelist would be on his side. He's selling this mr.nice-guy act while consistently doing things that are morally abysmal.

Sounds like you're pissed because he has you on mute.

Quote from: trechriron;1071648Maybe there's some spit-polish on it that might otherwise be missing from a non-Hollywood game, but it hardly rises to the energy you're wasting on it. Just my two cents...

Mercer gets a lot of attention, so Pundit is bashing him to gain attention for himself. It's not more complicated than that. Pundit is trying to ride Mercer's coat tails, sort of like CNN rides Trump's coat tails. Anything for ratings (though I am not sure it's working for Pundy).

There is of course another option. It could be Pundy is pissed Mercer is stealing his shtick. After all, The RPG Pundit is itself an act.

Quote from: S'mon;1071766I don't think Pundit is gatekeeping - he wants people, even thespians, to play RPGs - but I think he wants attention, and he thinks this is the way to get it. Really, picking a fight with a more famous Youtube personality is a standard attention-seeking tactic on Youtube; but it's not particularly edifying.

It is vaguely amusing that it was this of all things that united the RPGsite.  

The Pundit is so clearly in the wrong, being told by pretty much everyone that this is so, that I can only conclude that you are correct, he's going off on some pitiful Alex-Jones-style rant for publicity purposes. Then again, that's always been kind of business as usual for him.

Next chapter, how Pundit is the real victim here.

This started originally on Reddit. Someone posted something describing this problem, then a bunch of other people posted that they had had the same problem, then Matt Mercer did his "everyone has something to contribute." Pundit didn't make this up. You don't have to agree, but it's not crazy to worry about it, since a bunch of people reported the problem initially on that Reddit thread long before he posted about. I'd be upset if whenever I tried to run a game people told me that everyone has to dress up in costume or that I somehow had to run the game like Matt Mercer.