Quote from: RebelSky on February 24, 2022, 01:33:55 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on February 24, 2022, 09:14:07 AM
G-Core X is based of the old Marvel system with tweaks. It's actually really good.

It's solid except the art is atrocious. The adaptations to the old Marvel system are pretty decent and if TSR Marvel ever had a 2nd edition, this would be a book to look at for the foundation of that theoretical 2nd edition.

Yeah mate, it's fantastic but as you say the art is poo.

After seeing the Invulnerable game mentioned above I shuffled off to drivethrurpg, spent $4.99 on the pdf, and holy wow is this game neat. For a 5 buck pdf you get a supers game that's 380 pages, with decent interior artwork (cover art is not that good, but art is subjective). It's definitely a Marvel Universe heartbreaker, with some interesting names for organizations, factions, and characters.

And it is customizable, from scanning the book.

Characters are built on the idea of Awesomeness Level, which is equivalent to Power Level in many other games. This ranges from 1 to 10. Average 4 Colors Supers is Awesomeness Level 4 to 5 in this game. Street Level is AL 2 to 3, if that says anything.

Then you pick a Motivation, Origin, Attributes (the number of points based on Awesomeness Level of PC), Powers (Powers Build Points based on Origin), Talents (points based on AL), Weaknesses (every PC gets them), Assets, Equipment, and then Finishing Touches.

Note about this game...
Origins is the How did you get your Powers option. You can pick any number of Origins from 1 to your Awesomeness Level, so you're not locked into just one. Each has some Attribute Bonuses, what kind of Power Source and Power Type is allowed through it, Build Points for Powers, bonuses to Talents and inherent Weaknesses. They are Templates.

Powers are clusters of Enhancements. So it's like if you have the Power - Absorption, the Absorption power has these Enhancements - Absorb Energy, Absorb Impact, Absorption Boost, and Improved Absorb Impact.

Talents are the equivalent of Skills and Feats in other games, merged together. This is where you pick non-Powered options, like Martial Arts and all it's wonderful selection of Marksman and Martial Arts maneuvers.

...

For people who loves customization, this game seems like it could be your jam. Obviously I haven't played it so I don't know how well it plays, but for people who love to tinker, customize, hack and create characters that provide you the build points to build what you want, this game seems solidly within that group.

An rpg Champions players should at least consider. Plus for 5 bucks as a pdf, it's not expensive.

Quote from: RebelSky on February 24, 2022, 01:33:55 PM
It's solid except the art is atrocious. The adaptations to the old Marvel system are pretty decent and if TSR Marvel ever had a 2nd edition, this would be a book to look at for the foundation of that theoretical 2nd edition.

/broken record

MSH has a pretty active community that has effectively made many renditions/additions and general content to MSH that it effectively is as good as anything ever produced by TSR. It's rather amazing. If you haven't looked - go check out Classic Marvel Forever, just go to the Resources Tab and go wild. The Facebook group is producing *stellar* material including complete re-works of the core Players and Judges book and the Ultimate Powers book. TONS of adventures, including updated gazetteers of different aspects of the Marvel Universe. And it's all free - made by players that love MSH, for players that love MSH.




If MSH isn't a thing for you - Savage Worlds just dropped their new SWADE Supers Companion. It's pretty sweet, I'm still digesting it, and looking forward to dropping Supers into Savage Rifts.

Otherwise my recommendations would be Mutant's and Masterminds 3e.

Quote from: tenbones on February 25, 2022, 09:51:37 AM
Savage Worlds just dropped their new SWADE Supers Companion. It's pretty sweet, I'm still digesting it, and looking forward to dropping Supers into Savage Rifts.

I only just bought this. I've not had a chance to read it yet, however. But I'm sure it's going to be decent at the very least.

Quote from: amacris on February 20, 2022, 09:27:26 PM
You should give ASCENDANT a try. A fair number of people from the Champions community are enjoying it.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/350750/Ascendant?src=hottest

Is this the game where you can play an Ascended manatee?  I'd like to play an ascended capybara or Virginia opossum.  Not sure what good they'd be in a fight, but still... the idea calls to me.

Quote from: I on February 25, 2022, 10:36:13 PM

Quote from: amacris on February 20, 2022, 09:27:26 PM
You should give ASCENDANT a try. A fair number of people from the Champions community are enjoying it.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/350750/Ascendant?src=hottest

Is this the game where you can play an Ascended manatee?  I'd like to play an ascended capybara or Virginia opossum.  Not sure what good they'd be in a fight, but still... the idea calls to me.

Yes. There is even a plushie manatee available.

Quote from: RebelSky on February 25, 2022, 10:45:17 PM

Quote from: I on February 25, 2022, 10:36:13 PM

Quote from: amacris on February 20, 2022, 09:27:26 PM
You should give ASCENDANT a try. A fair number of people from the Champions community are enjoying it.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/350750/Ascendant?src=hottest

Is this the game where you can play an Ascended manatee?  I'd like to play an ascended capybara or Virginia opossum.  Not sure what good they'd be in a fight, but still... the idea calls to me.

Yes. There is even a plushie manatee available.

Excellent.  This is the only superhero RPG that has caught my eye in a while.

Quote from: I on February 27, 2022, 04:31:28 PM

Quote from: RebelSky on February 25, 2022, 10:45:17 PM

Quote from: I on February 25, 2022, 10:36:13 PM

Quote from: amacris on February 20, 2022, 09:27:26 PM
You should give ASCENDANT a try. A fair number of people from the Champions community are enjoying it.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/350750/Ascendant?src=hottest

Is this the game where you can play an Ascended manatee?  I'd like to play an ascended capybara or Virginia opossum.  Not sure what good they'd be in a fight, but still... the idea calls to me.

Yes. There is even a plushie manatee available.

Excellent.  This is the only superhero RPG that has caught my eye in a while.

He's putting out a black and white version of the book with and without art so people can choose to get a version of the book of they can't handle the 90s Image Comics-like sexualized artwork. I think Alex may even be doing a version of the book with all different artwork that's still comic book but not as hypersexualized... more family-friendly artwork I guess.

Quote from: RebelSky on February 27, 2022, 06:02:13 PM

Quote from: I on February 27, 2022, 04:31:28 PM

Quote from: RebelSky on February 25, 2022, 10:45:17 PM

Quote from: I on February 25, 2022, 10:36:13 PM

Quote from: amacris on February 20, 2022, 09:27:26 PM
You should give ASCENDANT a try. A fair number of people from the Champions community are enjoying it.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/350750/Ascendant?src=hottest

Is this the game where you can play an Ascended manatee?  I'd like to play an ascended capybara or Virginia opossum.  Not sure what good they'd be in a fight, but still... the idea calls to me.

Yes. There is even a plushie manatee available.

Excellent.  This is the only superhero RPG that has caught my eye in a while.

He's putting out a black and white version of the book with and without art so people can choose to get a version of the book of they can't handle the 90s Image Comics-like sexualized artwork. I think Alex may even be doing a version of the book with all different artwork that's still comic book but not as hypersexualized... more family-friendly artwork I guess.

So he's going to use sensitivity readers for the art? Green no longer then, eh?

I've played lots of Champions in the past and am now in a Prowlers & Paragons campaign. To me, it's a much more streamlined game, medium complexity. Even though it's simpler as a practical matter a lot of character ideas that are classic Supers characters can be hard to do in Champions but can be easy in P&P. I certainly would recommend it.

Quote from: tenbones on February 25, 2022, 09:51:37 AM

MSH has a pretty active community that has effectively made many renditions/additions and general content to MSH that it effectively is as good as anything ever produced by TSR. It's rather amazing. If you haven't looked - go check out Classic Marvel Forever, just go to the Resources Tab and go wild. The Facebook group is producing *stellar* material including complete re-works of the core Players and Judges book and the Ultimate Powers book. TONS of adventures, including updated gazetteers of different aspects of the Marvel Universe. And it's all free - made by players that love MSH, for players that love MSH.

Woah!  I forgot that site existed!  About 12 or 13 years ago an old friend, who sadly had to move, ran a MSH game and we were using that site as a resource.  So much good stuff!

Quote from: HappyDaze on February 28, 2022, 01:09:50 AM

Quote from: RebelSky on February 27, 2022, 06:02:13 PM

Quote from: I on February 27, 2022, 04:31:28 PM

Quote from: RebelSky on February 25, 2022, 10:45:17 PM

Quote from: I on February 25, 2022, 10:36:13 PM

Quote from: amacris on February 20, 2022, 09:27:26 PM
You should give ASCENDANT a try. A fair number of people from the Champions community are enjoying it.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/350750/Ascendant?src=hottest

Is this the game where you can play an Ascended manatee?  I'd like to play an ascended capybara or Virginia opossum.  Not sure what good they'd be in a fight, but still... the idea calls to me.

Yes. There is even a plushie manatee available.

Excellent.  This is the only superhero RPG that has caught my eye in a while.

He's putting out a black and white version of the book with and without art so people can choose to get a version of the book of they can't handle the 90s Image Comics-like sexualized artwork. I think Alex may even be doing a version of the book with all different artwork that's still comic book but not as hypersexualized... more family-friendly artwork I guess.

So he's going to use sensitivity readers for the art? Green no longer then, eh?

Hah! I believe there should be products for everybody, but not everybody needs to like every product. Products can and should target audiences based on their creator's preference or market assessment. People are diverse -- meaning they don't want or like the same things -- there will be and should be products that some people love that others hate. It's a good thing. I love sexy 90s Image Comics art. Based on sales of Ascendant, apparently lots of other people love it too. Or apparently people love logarithms. Or maybe it's a unique combination of sex and math.

As far as the new version -- let us not get ahead of ourselves. I have several projects in the pipeline for 2022 already and that is not one of them. However, it is true that a fair number of ACKS and Ascendant players are parents of children that are about the age to start playing RPGs. Several have mentioned that they'd like a version of Ascendant with the complexity of the old FASERIP. So I'm exploring the idea for 2023 of publishing a simplified version of the rulebook with art work inspired by the Animated Universes of DC, because that art style is aimed at that age range. The idea would be an entry-level product for younger gamers, similar to how BX/BECMI aimed at younger gamers than AD&D. Whether I do that will depend on the continued success of the game.

In the meantime, my upcoming graphic novel doubles down on the art style of Ascendant, so you can rest easy in that regard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB_QMDQKxFk

Quote from: I on February 25, 2022, 10:36:13 PM

Quote from: amacris on February 20, 2022, 09:27:26 PM
You should give ASCENDANT a try. A fair number of people from the Champions community are enjoying it.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/350750/Ascendant?src=hottest

Is this the game where you can play an Ascended manatee?  I'd like to play an ascended capybara or Virginia opossum.  Not sure what good they'd be in a fight, but still... the idea calls to me.

To avoid buyer's remorse, I must warn you that the core rules do not provide game statistics for capybaras or opossums. You could play an Ascended African lion, Bat, Bengal Tiger, Bloodhound, Blue Whale, Bottlenose Dolphin, Cheetah, Chimp, Cockroach, Cougar, Crocodile, Draft Horse, Eagle, Electric Eel, Elephant, Giant Anaconda, Giant Python, Giant Squid, Gorilla, Great Horned Owl, Great White Shark, Grey Wolf, Grizzly Bear, Honey Badger, King Cobra, Manatee, Mastiff, Mimic Octopus, Peregrine Falcon, and Riding Horse.

I regret that I did not have time to include capybaras or possums, but the volcano rules took up a lot of space...

Quote from: amacris on February 28, 2022, 03:28:00 AM

Quote from: I on February 25, 2022, 10:36:13 PM

Quote from: amacris on February 20, 2022, 09:27:26 PM
You should give ASCENDANT a try. A fair number of people from the Champions community are enjoying it.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/350750/Ascendant?src=hottest

Is this the game where you can play an Ascended manatee?  I'd like to play an ascended capybara or Virginia opossum.  Not sure what good they'd be in a fight, but still... the idea calls to me.

To avoid buyer's remorse, I must warn you that the core rules do not provide game statistics for capybaras or opossums. You could play an Ascended African lion, Bat, Bengal Tiger, Bloodhound, Blue Whale, Bottlenose Dolphin, Cheetah, Chimp, Cockroach, Cougar, Crocodile, Draft Horse, Eagle, Electric Eel, Elephant, Giant Anaconda, Giant Python, Giant Squid, Gorilla, Great Horned Owl, Great White Shark, Grey Wolf, Grizzly Bear, Honey Badger, King Cobra, Manatee, Mastiff, Mimic Octopus, Peregrine Falcon, and Riding Horse.

I regret that I did not have time to include capybaras or possums, but the volcano rules took up a lot of space...

I see a manatee, but not a Huge Manatee.  How disappointing!

Thanks for the warning.  That's a pretty good assortment, anyway.  Maybe possums and capybaras for a later edition?  And while you're at it, maybe an ascended Maine Coon?