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Listen, you old fogies, I want my animes!

Started by B.T., May 07, 2012, 02:45:26 AM

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thecasualoblivion

#120
May 09, 2012, 08:18:52 PM
Quote from: B.T.;537856But what makes them modern?

The date, most of all. These are, for what its worth, recent additions to D&D.

Mostly though its the fact that they break from traditional D&D aesthetics and take D&D in new directions, often in a more cinematic or anime direction.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

Marleycat

#121
May 09, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;537882The date, most of all. These are, for what its worth, recent additions to D&D.

Mostly though its the fact that they break from traditional D&D aesthetics and take D&D in new directions, often in a more cinematic or anime direction.

The problem is I am not alone in thinking 4e has no resemblence to Dnd. It may even be a good game but it just isn't Dnd. At least with Pathfinder or even Fantasy Craft you can do exactly the same things you do in a 1e/2e/3e game.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Drohem

#122
May 09, 2012, 08:26:54 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;537882The date, most of all. These are, for what its worth, recent additions to D&D.

What is the date?  2005?  You mentioned non-core 3.5 D&D so I assume you mean sometime after the 3.5 D&D release.

thecasualoblivion

#123
May 09, 2012, 08:27:17 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;537883The problem is I am not alone in thinking 4e has no resemblence to Dnd. It may even be a good game but it just isn't Dnd. At least with Pathfinder or even Fantasy Craft you can do exactly the same things you do in a 1e/2e/3e game.

And on the flip side I am not alone in being unimpressed with D&D's traditions. 4E bore more resemblance to the D&D in my mind's eye than any previous edition.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

Marleycat

#124
May 09, 2012, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;537885And on the flip side I am not alone in being unimpressed with D&D's traditions. 4E bore more resemblance to the D&D in my mind's eye than any previous edition.
It's cool you like it but it's not Dnd.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Bedrockbrendan

#125
May 09, 2012, 08:29:49 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;537885And on the flip side I am not alone in being unimpressed with D&D's traditions. 4E bore more resemblance to the D&D in my mind's eye than any previous edition.

Sure, or course you are not. But you guys were not enough to carry 4e.

Benoist

#126
May 09, 2012, 08:30:38 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;537885And on the flip side I am not alone in being unimpressed with D&D's traditions. 4E bore more resemblance to the D&D in my mind's eye than any previous edition.

4E: D&D for people who hate the guts of D&D. Awesome.

thecasualoblivion

#127
May 09, 2012, 08:36:39 PM
Quote from: Drohem;537884What is the date?  2005?  You mentioned non-core 3.5 D&D so I assume you mean sometime after the 3.5 D&D release.

Its a relative date, as it predated 3.5E in my experience. Groups I gamed with during the 3.0 era(when I played D&D that is, the 3.0 years were my White Wolf period) were using 3E mutliclassing, Prestige Classes, and in particular monsters as PCs rules(Half Dragons especially) to play games almost completely unrecognizable compared to the traditional D&D experience.

I single out 3.5E supplements as they were where this was really codified.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

thecasualoblivion

#128
May 09, 2012, 08:37:38 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;537888Sure, or course you are not. But you guys were not enough to carry 4e.

But 4E converted a large section of the D&D community, and there isn't enough to carry D&D without us either.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

thecasualoblivion

#129
May 09, 2012, 08:38:08 PM
Quote from: Benoist;5378894E: D&D for people who hate the guts of D&D. Awesome.

I don't hate it, I just don't put it on a pedestal to be worshipped.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

Bedrockbrendan

#130
May 09, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;537892But 4E converted a large section of the D&D community, and there isn't enough to carry D&D without us either.

I don't dispute that te 4e crowd could be quite large. But if they cater to the 4e crowd they definitely won't achieve their goal of getting everyone back onboard. The core problem is both sides preferences are the others sides' dealbreakers so the modular approach is going to have to cleverly seperate these things put so all sides can play the D&D they want without having to deal with the stuff they don't like.

Bedrockbrendan

#131
May 09, 2012, 08:42:31 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;537893I don't hate it, I just don't put it on a pedestal to be worshipped.

The point is the made 4e for the guys who reluctantly played D&D despite not being satisfied by it.

thecasualoblivion

#132
May 09, 2012, 08:46:34 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;537897The point is the made 4e for the guys who reluctantly played D&D despite not being satisfied by it.

It had less to do with not being satisfied with it, and more to do with not seeing D&D as this dogmatic entity not subject to change.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

Bedrockbrendan

#133
May 09, 2012, 08:56:12 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;537898It had less to do with not being satisfied with it, and more to do with not seeing D&D as this dogmatic entity not subject to change.

Yes, but why change it if you are satisfied with the mehanics? You yourself spoke of 4e as the D&D you had evisioned all along. You can call it dogmatic but it is really just a matter of going to D&D because we expect certain things from it (realy this is just more empty rhetoric and a non argument---right up there with "fear of the new", "progress or die" and "people who don't
Ike 4e are haters who can't read or never tried it"). I play all kinds of rpgs, rarely play D&D these days, but when I play Dungeons and Dragons I go to that system because it has stuff I expect and like. It is the same reason I go to cthulu or any other system. Not only were the changes 4e introduced counter to my expectations of D&D, they were the opposite of what i want in any rpg. So I don't see how my dislike of it is related to dogma at all.

3E was a big success. Taking a succesful product and completely revamping its core elements doesn't seem smart for an rpg company. Clearly in this case it was a bad idea.

crkrueger

#134
May 09, 2012, 08:59:11 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;537892But 4E converted a large section of the D&D community, and there isn't enough to carry D&D without us either.

Paizo doesn't need or want you, the guys busting out OSR kickstarters left and right don't need you either.  WotC dumped you like a hot potato.  That's the problem with being the New thing, very soon you're not, and unfortunately, being new was all 4e or you had going.
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