Quote from: Punch and Pie;537286If anything, GoT mimics D&D ... endless mini-plots with little to no overarching cohesion, including an endless list of main PC's and supporting NPC's which die more often than not, requiring new PCs and NPCs to be generated.

Heh... that quotable enough it may spend a while in my sig...

Quote from: Caesar Slaad;537508By the same token, Last Airbender tanked as bad as Conan and quite a bit worse than John Carter. And I won't blame that on the character either. The movie sucked.

But, but, Last Airbender is current, it speaks to the youth!  It should have been stellar!  Anime!  Cartoon Show! Graphic Novels!

Quote from: CRKrueger;537512But, but, Last Airbender is current, it speaks to the youth!  It should have been stellar!  Anime!  Cartoon Show! Graphic Novels!

Clearly all the vancian magic Shyamalan included in the film is to blame. That and Conan probably.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;537513Clearly all the vancian magic Shyamalan included in the film is to blame. That and Conan probably.

You saw the cameo of Conan in the Last Airbender? Me too. Lame...

Quote from: Dodger;537418I wonder if the popularity of teen-angsty vampire franchises like Twilight and True Blood had any impact on sales of White Wolf's Vampire.

Probably not, because they really dropped the ball on it.

Their "Monster romance" book shouldn't have been an obscure web-only supplement to an obscure game line, released half a decade after the phenomenon got popular.

There's possibly a reasonable market for someone to just steal right out from under WW's nose. Evil Hat are digging away at it, true, but I don't think they have gone far enough.

Just because...

Quote from: Caesar Slaad;537531Just because...

Yet how many posts have there been where that position - the reasonable one in the middle, willing to include newer styles of fiction while still holding onto the old - is the one being held?

Instead it's all "fuckity fuck you're a fuck" horseshit and ad hominem upon ad hominem. The nerdrage is epic, but also frustrating in that regard. Probably my own fault given the rather aggressive nature of the initial post... but still.

Quote from: GnomeWorks;537568Yet how many posts have there been where that position - the reasonable one in the middle, willing to include newer styles of fiction while still holding onto the old - is the one being held?

Instead it's all "fuckity fuck you're a fuck" horseshit and ad hominem upon ad hominem. The nerdrage is epic, but also frustrating in that regard. Probably my own fault given the rather aggressive nature of the initial post... but still.

You are whining about us being unreasonable when you told us to piss off so you could jerk it to anime.

Quote from: GnomeWorks;537568Yet how many posts have there been where that position - the reasonable one in the middle, willing to include newer styles of fiction while still holding onto the old - is the one being held?

Instead it's all "fuckity fuck you're a fuck" horseshit and ad hominem upon ad hominem. The nerdrage is epic, but also frustrating in that regard. Probably my own fault given the rather aggressive nature of the initial post... but still.

Fuck that noise man. And fuck you.

Quote from: GnomeWorks;537568Yet how many posts have there been where that position - the reasonable one in the middle, willing to include newer styles of fiction while still holding onto the old - is the one being held?

Instead it's all "fuckity fuck you're a fuck" horseshit and ad hominem upon ad hominem. The nerdrage is epic, but also frustrating in that regard. Probably my own fault given the rather aggressive nature of the initial post... but still.

Man are you ever in the wrong place if you think pointing out ad hominem arguments will do you any good.

What I like is that you're pretending that GnomeWorks made an argument that we're supposed to refute.  His post said, "Bawww, stop influencing D&D because I want to play Harry Potter!"  What is there to say other than, "Fuck off, you entitled little shit"?

Quote from: Ladybird;537520Their "Monster romance" book shouldn't have been an obscure web-only supplement to an obscure game line, released half a decade after the phenomenon got popular.

Eh, I wouldn't call Requiem more obscure now than it was half a decade ago. For better or worse, Vampire's always been seen as the flagship line for White Wolf. But granted, that supplement wasn't ever going to reach people who weren't already playing the game.

Quote from: B.T.;537569You are whining about us being unreasonable when you told us to piss off so you could jerk it to anime.

As I wrote in a later post in the thread you quoted from originally, my initial post was unnecessarily harsh, and the primary point being made by its detractors - that excising the old influences is too extreme - was a good one.

But given the tone of the responses, an apology for the initial dickishness isn't going to get me anything but a bunch more "fuck you's," hence why I haven't bothered.

Quote from: BenoistFuck that noise man. And fuck you.

Oh for fuck's sake, calm down. Getting all bent out of shape because of one post that was mildly aggressive is ridiculous.

Quote from: B.T.;537578What I like is that you're pretending that GnomeWorks made an argument that we're supposed to refute.  His post said, "Bawww, stop influencing D&D because I want to play Harry Potter!"  What is there to say other than, "Fuck off, you entitled little shit"?

We are at the point where the original D&D fanbase have started to die of old age. This is a fact; it is a thing that is occurring.

There does need to be a compromise state between the older and newer influences, because neither audience is enough alone to sustain the game line. Bunker down, insist that D&D should only reflect the things you like (Regardless of if you're in the "old" or "new" camp), and those nasty other people with their other interests should go away... and eventually they will, and you won't get any D&D.

And in five years time, the best case scenario is that we have this argument all over again, only a bit slower because arthritis will have set in. The worst case scenario is that there won't be a D&D6 to argue over.

Quote from: GrimGent;537611Eh, I wouldn't call Requiem more obscure now than it was half a decade ago. For better or worse, Vampire's always been seen as the flagship line for White Wolf. But granted, that supplement wasn't ever going to reach people who weren't already playing the game.

I was unclear, I had meant the "paranormal romance" genre really blew up five years ago (As a rough estimate). Requiem is still just as obscure, outside of "gamers", as it was then...

I still say WW really, really missed an opportunity. What they've done has evidently worked out okay for them (The entire "not releasing books" strategy must have really helped them keep costs down ), but a repeat of the early 90's Vampire / Goth crossover audience could have been really good for them and for roleplaying.

At some point we get back to the "this is my game, it is only about the things that I like, because the things you like are rubbish" argument again, though. Without someone at WW significantly pushing for it, it just wouldn't (And didn't) happen; to a gamer audience, adapting the game to do paranormal romance is relatively simple, but it's non-gamers that the book is for (And, three books is a hefty buy-in for a non-gamer...).

Then go play your Fucked up ANIME games.