[List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies

daft · January 09, 2024, 01:56:21 AM

Maybe this can help right the ship somewhat? The wholeness is a fad that companies for some reason have latched on to in the belief that it will bring loads of money and a wider audience.

https://x.com/KasimirUrbanski/status/1744483256991470004?s=20

Ghostmaker · January 09, 2024, 08:03:00 AM

Quote from: Brand55 on January 08, 2024, 03:08:42 PM
Quote from: Phil on January 08, 2024, 07:17:47 AM
Hi folks,

did anybody check WH40k Imperium Maledictum from Cubicle7? Have you noticed traces of moral injunctions inside?

tx
I haven't read Imperium Maledictum, but one noticeable thing C7 did with Wrath and Glory is that many Adeptus Mechanicus members now use they/them pronouns. I would expect that to carry over into IM, too. I don't honestly know if C7 started it, but W&G is so far the first and only 40k material where I've encountered that. I'm hardly a 40k expert, though, so take that for what it's worth.

Insanely enough, that actually makes sense. A lot of Mechanicus adepts, especially ones who've advanced in the hierarchy, are so heavily augmented they barely qualify as having a gender (and on occasion get mistaken for servitors). This is not only riffed on in some playthroughs, but even in the official novels. So I might let that one go.

Klava · January 09, 2024, 08:12:33 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on January 09, 2024, 08:03:00 AM
Insanely enough, that actually makes sense. A lot of Mechanicus adepts, especially ones who've advanced in the hierarchy, are so heavily augmented they barely qualify as having a gender

but.... bu but but the GeNdEr iS iN teH miNd, y0u b1gOT!11!!1!one!!eleven1!1

Brand55 · January 09, 2024, 10:40:27 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on January 09, 2024, 08:03:00 AM
Insanely enough, that actually makes sense. A lot of Mechanicus adepts, especially ones who've advanced in the hierarchy, are so heavily augmented they barely qualify as having a gender (and on occasion get mistaken for servitors). This is not only riffed on in some playthroughs, but even in the official novels. So I might let that one go.

As far as pronouns go, I think "it" works better than "they" simply because of that reasoning. We use "it" for machines, as David Johansen pointed out.

When I ran 40k in the past, I simply had heavily augmented characters use the third person when referring to themselves. So Techmarine Bob may only refer to himself as "Techmarine Bob" but the other members of his kill-team, who think he's a bit off in the head, still refer to him as a guy.

Grognard GM · January 09, 2024, 11:01:47 AM

Why do you guys think Mechanicus wouldn't use gendered pronouns? It's simply factual.

They're acknowledging that a specific member was born with either XX or XY chromosomes. They can hack off/cover the junk, stick circuits in the brain, but the remaining biomass is still that of a male or female.

Likewise, assuming most Mechanicus don't self identify as a certain gender seems a stretch. I mean, most of them still have the majority of their natural brains and hormones, meaning they actual process the world differently based on their origin.

Brand55 · January 09, 2024, 11:43:06 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 09, 2024, 11:01:47 AM
Why do you guys think Mechanicus wouldn't use gendered pronouns? It's simply factual.

I think most do, and that's how I've treated it in the past. For me, I used the switch to third person references for those members who had undergone massive augmentation and saw themselves as a machine, not a human. But the majority of augmented folks didn't do that.

rytrasmi · January 09, 2024, 11:55:50 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on January 09, 2024, 08:03:00 AM
Quote from: Brand55 on January 08, 2024, 03:08:42 PM
Quote from: Phil on January 08, 2024, 07:17:47 AM
Hi folks,

did anybody check WH40k Imperium Maledictum from Cubicle7? Have you noticed traces of moral injunctions inside?

tx
I haven't read Imperium Maledictum, but one noticeable thing C7 did with Wrath and Glory is that many Adeptus Mechanicus members now use they/them pronouns. I would expect that to carry over into IM, too. I don't honestly know if C7 started it, but W&G is so far the first and only 40k material where I've encountered that. I'm hardly a 40k expert, though, so take that for what it's worth.
Insanely enough, that actually makes sense. A lot of Mechanicus adepts, especially ones who've advanced in the hierarchy, are so heavily augmented they barely qualify as having a gender (and on occasion get mistaken for servitors). This is not only riffed on in some playthroughs, but even in the official novels. So I might let that one go.

Nah dawg, remember these are 3rd person pronouns.

Are these "Mechanicus" things weaklings who spend their lives online? Because caring about how others speak about you in your absence (or indirectly when you are present) is weak. Trying to control the speech of others to enforce courtesy to yourself is an even weaker position to take.

If the Mechanicus, or anyone for that matter, actually has the ability to enforce courtesy when they are not present, they would likely choose something much cooler than peasant words like "they" or "it."

daft · January 09, 2024, 01:50:30 PM

They literally cut their meat off because it's weak. I'm not sure they really care about pronouns or for that matter react strongly to being "misgendered". They're kind of above it IMO lol.

Radagan · January 12, 2024, 05:54:23 PM

Does anyone know where Word Mill Games stands? They write Mythic.

https://www.wordmillgames.com/

Neonsmri · January 24, 2024, 11:24:16 AM

Welp, Catalyst has now done the stupid thing. They are already people posting being blocked for even asking questions about this. The thread is all you need to see.
https://twitter.com/catalystgamelab/status/1749809280918925374

Lythel Phany · January 24, 2024, 12:04:29 PM

Quote from: Neonsmri on January 24, 2024, 11:24:16 AM
Welp, Catalyst has now done the stupid thing. They are already people posting being blocked for even asking questions about this. The thread is all you need to see.
https://twitter.com/catalystgamelab/status/1749809280918925374

"Participation is a privilege, not a right"
And they say old grognards are the gatekeepers.

oggsmash · January 24, 2024, 12:27:21 PM

Quote from: Neonsmri on January 24, 2024, 11:24:16 AM
Welp, Catalyst has now done the stupid thing. They are already people posting being blocked for even asking questions about this. The thread is all you need to see.
https://twitter.com/catalystgamelab/status/1749809280918925374

I think they could have just said no derogatory comments. Going down the special check list looks a bit suspect. Is that silly of me to just say, hey guys, no derogatory comments? It can be a malleable standard I suppose...but I am sure them going down the checklist is to make sure people know the subjects that the word derogatory can apply "extra" to with regards to interpretation.

THE_Leopold · January 24, 2024, 12:46:47 PM

Quote from: Lythel Phany on January 24, 2024, 12:04:29 PM
Quote from: Neonsmri on January 24, 2024, 11:24:16 AM
Welp, Catalyst has now done the stupid thing. They are already people posting being blocked for even asking questions about this. The thread is all you need to see.
https://twitter.com/catalystgamelab/status/1749809280918925374

"Participation is a privilege, not a right"
And they say old grognards are the gatekeepers.

this is my favorite comment:

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Damn sorry to hear about the upcoming layoffs

priceless

All they had to do was go the Troll Lord Games route of "Games are for everyone, don't be an asshole" and leave politics at the door.

yosemitemike · January 28, 2024, 09:47:13 PM

Quote from: Neonsmri on January 24, 2024, 11:24:16 AM
Welp, Catalyst has now done the stupid thing. They are already people posting being blocked for even asking questions about this. The thread is all you need to see.
https://twitter.com/catalystgamelab/status/1749809280918925374

Someone should post a thread about how minorities need their own spaces where white people are excluded in order to feel safe. If they allow it, then everyone will know that they are not serious about stopping derogatory comments and this is just the usual woke gatekeeping.

Cathode Ray · January 28, 2024, 10:44:07 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on January 24, 2024, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: Neonsmri on January 24, 2024, 11:24:16 AM
Welp, Catalyst has now done the stupid thing. They are already people posting being blocked for even asking questions about this. The thread is all you need to see.
https://twitter.com/catalystgamelab/status/1749809280918925374

I think they could have just said no derogatory comments. Going down the special check list looks a bit suspect. Is that silly of me to just say, hey guys, no derogatory comments? It can be a malleable standard I suppose...but I am sure them going down the checklist is to make sure people know the subjects that the word derogatory can apply "extra" to with regards to interpretation.

watch them violate the religion one