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Quote from: AaronBrown99 on May 15, 2023, 10:42:24 PMThose lunatics changed the pronouns in the ****ING DEDICATION TO artist JIM ROSLOF!  "their' work will be missed? It's bad enough using a plural pronoun for a singular generic subject (the Cleric loses 'their' spell?), but to pluralize a known subject?  That's implying Jim's work was a collaboration or not entirely his! Does he have heirs? Do they approve?!

The pronoun crowd ignores their own rules on preferred pronoun usage whenever the subject isn't one of them.

Yep, it is and always has been performative. My money is on lazy "find and replace all." Of course, they'll probably defend it by saying since the artist is dead they had no way of asking him what his preferred pronouns are.

Quote from: AaronBrown99 on May 15, 2023, 10:42:24 PM
I ordered a hardcover 9th printing of DCC, which is nice, with ribbon bookmarks and nice art. I'm happy.

The free PDF download from DTRPG is the 10th printing, with the 'woke' pronoun changes.

Those lunatics changed the pronouns in the ****ING DEDICATION TO artist JIM ROSLOF!  "their' work will be missed? It's bad enough using a plural pronoun for a singular generic subject (the Cleric loses 'their' spell?), but to pluralize a known subject?  That's implying Jim's work was a collaboration or not entirely his! Does he have heirs? Do they approve?!

I wrote a note at DTRPG letting them know they might want to ask Bud Light how appeasing/enabling a tiny lunatic fringe works out for sales.

Yeah DCC recently made it clear on their website and in other places that from the 10th printing onwards they will be using the "inclusive, gender-neutral pronouns."  Thankfully my copy is an older printing, though I'm no longer playing DCC anyhow.  A guy I know is talking about getting a DCC game going later this year so I decided to keep my core book just in case.  Sadly, their message boards have a fair number of people whining about not getting the new "gender-free" version with recent purchases.

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Quote from: AaronBrown99 on May 15, 2023, 10:42:24 PM
I ordered a hardcover 9th printing of DCC, which is nice, with ribbon bookmarks and nice art. I'm happy.

The free PDF download from DTRPG is the 10th printing, with the 'woke' pronoun changes.

Those lunatics changed the pronouns in the ****ING DEDICATION TO artist JIM ROSLOF!  "their' work will be missed? It's bad enough using a plural pronoun for a singular generic subject (the Cleric loses 'their' spell?), but to pluralize a known subject?  That's implying Jim's work was a collaboration or not entirely his! Does he have heirs? Do they approve?!

I wrote a note at DTRPG letting them know they might want to ask Bud Light how appeasing/enabling a tiny lunatic fringe works out for sales.

Yeah DCC recently made it clear on their website and in other places that from the 10th printing onwards they will be using the "inclusive, gender-neutral pronouns."  Thankfully my copy is an older printing, though I'm no longer playing DCC anyhow.  A guy I know is talking about getting a DCC game going later this year so I decided to keep my core book just in case.  Sadly, their message boards have a fair number of people whining about not getting the new "gender-free" version with recent purchases.

Surely Goodman Games will exchange those copies at no cost! Imagine sending your customers a literally unplayable version of the game! For shame!

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Quote from: Redshirt451 on April 07, 2023, 10:41:23 AM
Pulp Cthulhu is actually an excellent book that is almost entirely non-woke. The only potentially woke bits are a passing mention about pulp stories sometimes using racial stereotypes, which they definitely did, and artwork of non-white and women characters as examples of different archetypes, which is anachronistic but not ham-fisted. Other than that, it's just a celebration of pulp stories and rules for how to run Pulp CoC games.

Pulp Cthulhu was probably written before Nu-Chaosium took over and printed shortly after they did and was before they started  down the slippery slope by hiring  their political commissar Lynne Hardy.  They have now slid straight into the abyss of deviant wokery.

I think you're absolutely right. Hardy isn't mentioned once in the book, either as a writer or contributor.

Well I don't know if this goes here, in the pinned thread, or in its own thread.

Does anyone know if Skerples ( https://twitter.com/Skerples1 , https://coinsandscrolls.blogspot.com/ ) has done any crusading for everyone's favorite society-eating ideologies?  I looked around and found nothing objectionable at all, but I was just wondering if someone had some other info.

This is probably not important enough to go on any list, I just was curious.

Quote from: Venka on May 24, 2023, 09:02:27 PM
Well I don't know if this goes here, in the pinned thread, or in its own thread.

Does anyone know if Skerples ( https://twitter.com/Skerples1 , https://coinsandscrolls.blogspot.com/ ) has done any crusading for everyone's favorite society-eating ideologies?  I looked around and found nothing objectionable at all, but I was just wondering if someone had some other info.

This is probably not important enough to go on any list, I just was curious.

I've got a few of his projects. Nothing set off my red flags.

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Because if this was the other way around, a game where you can only play male space warriors, wouldn't there be instant cries of "white supremacy rape culture mega maga fasscistsssss!!!"?

*cough*



*cough*

Though technically the "mega fascists" bit is accurate... but I don't hear much howling over it. The typical characters only feed on the weak.

That said, I'd like to nominate Massif Press for a Red.

They basically bitched and whined and refused to take their ennie because "Blood in the Chocolate" won an award because fans liked it.

I tend to be rather apolitical but that is just top tier wtf.

People agitate for female space marines all the time.

I've only recently joined, if that wasn't obvious, so I'm not sure if this is how things work but seconded here for Mastiff. I'm really surprised they've not on there, as while they may be small, they have a fairly decent sway in the usual indie circles.

Ignoring their real life stuff (which includes putting money up to bail out antifa thugs and violent extremeists), their RPGs alone show what they think. Lancer is literally a mech game about a perfect Communist utopia with perfect pre-cog precrime where 'direct action' against anyone you disagree with is not only tolerated but praised. The authors specifically call this out in the paid book as being something not only characters should do, but what players should do in real life. They've also gone on record in interviews multiple times about being unrepentant, far left Communists. They include a whole screed about 'muh trans rights' as the first thing you read when opening a book about time-travelling mechs armed with mimic guns.

Their new book, ICON, isn't so much like this but it does distinctly include pronouns in their adventures for all characters.

Mastif Press....Are they even worth mentioning considering theyre game's selling point is a communist wankfest.

Quote from: Howard on May 25, 2023, 01:33:28 AM

Quote from: Venka on May 24, 2023, 09:02:27 PM
Well I don't know if this goes here, in the pinned thread, or in its own thread.

Does anyone know if Skerples ( https://twitter.com/Skerples1 , https://coinsandscrolls.blogspot.com/ ) has done any crusading for everyone's favorite society-eating ideologies?  I looked around and found nothing objectionable at all, but I was just wondering if someone had some other info.

This is probably not important enough to go on any list, I just was curious.

I've got a few of his projects. Nothing set off my red flags.

I couldnt find any red flags they seem solid

Very useful list, thanks!

I am in my fifties and have been contemplating to get back into RPG after not playing for at least 30 years (I played DnD) - at least now I have lots of money to get pretty much everything I need. But after seeing Chaosiums character sheet online I was alerted by the "Pronoun" field and found an entry where a Chaosium employee replyed in a snarky manner to someone who raised the woke issue. That is enough for me to always avoid Chaosium from now on.

I always wanted to play CoC, but obviously won't put my money in a woke company if it can be avoided. They woke wants to destroy us, so fuck them, I won't give them a dime!  And to those who think that you can just buy it and ignore the woke parts think again, these fanatics will stop at nothing to destroy your life with smearing, lies, harrasment and even violence - I've seen this first hand and know many victims, regular family guys, that has been targets of woke psychotics.

It's time to stop the woke.

As for gaming... My choice is either to locate some old Cthluhu editions or maybe go for an alternative system such as Cthulhu Eternal (maybe Open Cthulhu if it's mature enough and supported) and hope they're not into this woke BS, they don't seem to. Any suggestions regarding this will be valuable for me.

The 7th edition of the keeper's manual was wrote before Chaosium went full woke and has no pronouns or other bullshit like that aside from a small paragraph that points out that Lovecraft's work is full of racists stuff to be mindful of (which was included as far as 1st edition anyway).

If you are into DnD, Sandy Petersen (The one who came up with the game in the first place) made a few supplements to port the mythos in dnd 5e but it's a very different game.

There are also a bunch of Cthulhu games of varying wokeness (Avoid like the plague Fate of Cthulhu or evil hat in general, they are some of the biggest assholes in the business), the d100 lite system is also a good choice.

Quote from: Abbo1993 on May 29, 2023, 08:49:30 AM
The 7th edition of the keeper's manual was wrote before Chaosium went full woke and has no pronouns or other bullshit like that aside from a small paragraph that points out that Lovecraft's work is full of racists stuff to be mindful of (which was included as far as 1st edition anyway).

If you are into DnD, Sandy Petersen (The one who came up with the game in the first place) made a few supplements to port the mythos in dnd 5e but it's a very different game.

There are also a bunch of Cthulhu games of varying wokeness (Avoid like the plague Fate of Cthulhu or evil hat in general, they are some of the biggest assholes in the business), the d100 lite system is also a good choice.

Thanks for the heads up!

I did find Sandys website, looks nice and given how he was treated I did consider supporting him, but I wanted a "pure Cthulhu game experience", basically to try something more investigative and something less hack'n'slash / medieval style fantasy. I'm just assuming here as I am not much into the various systems and scenario sets.

I like the Victorian age and twenties era and Cthulhu Eternal certainly seems to fit the bill, although I can gather it's not a full system on it's own. Coupled with one of the scenarious you can purchase I guess you're pretty much good to go?

Cthulhu Eternal is definitely the way to go. The core book (Jazz Age) is 100+ pages and seems pretty complete to me! There is a separate pdf called the Open Cthulhu Mythos SRD that covers spells, artifacts, tomes, cults, gods and monsters.

Quote from: Rift on May 29, 2023, 03:27:46 AM
Very useful list, thanks!

I am in my fifties and have been contemplating to get back into RPG after not playing for at least 30 years (I played DnD) - at least now I have lots of money to get pretty much everything I need. But after seeing Chaosiums character sheet online I was alerted by the "Pronoun" field and found an entry where a Chaosium employee replyed in a snarky manner to someone who raised the woke issue. That is enough for me to always avoid Chaosium from now on.

I always wanted to play CoC, but obviously won't put my money in a woke company if it can be avoided. They woke wants to destroy us, so fuck them, I won't give them a dime!  And to those who think that you can just buy it and ignore the woke parts think again, these fanatics will stop at nothing to destroy your life with smearing, lies, harrasment and even violence - I've seen this first hand and know many victims, regular family guys, that has been targets of woke psychotics.

It's time to stop the woke.

As for gaming... My choice is either to locate some old Cthluhu editions or maybe go for an alternative system such as Cthulhu Eternal (maybe Open Cthulhu if it's mature enough and supported) and hope they're not into this woke BS, they don't seem to. Any suggestions regarding this will be valuable for me.

Just buy one of the older editions of CoC.  There's a mountain of supplements and scenarios for them out there, and editions 1 through 6 are pretty interchangeable.

Quote from: I on May 29, 2023, 02:41:28 PM
Just buy one of the older editions of CoC.  There's a mountain of supplements and scenarios for them out there, and editions 1 through 6 are pretty interchangeable.

Ehh, 2nd/3rd through 6th are. 1st had clunk, and things like Doctor's that didn't get enough points to build a Doctor. I'm not sure how much was ironed out in 2nd, but 3rd was definitely solid, and I've personally used 4th for 30 years without issue.

Quote from: Grognard GM on May 29, 2023, 03:45:31 PM

Quote from: I on May 29, 2023, 02:41:28 PM
Just buy one of the older editions of CoC.  There's a mountain of supplements and scenarios for them out there, and editions 1 through 6 are pretty interchangeable.

Ehh, 2nd/3rd through 6th are. 1st had clunk, and things like Doctor's that didn't get enough points to build a Doctor. I'm not sure how much was ironed out in 2nd, but 3rd was definitely solid, and I've personally used 4th for 30 years without issue.

Thanks for the tip! It seems I'm in luck: There is just one Rulebook for a decent price for sale - only one within hundreds of miles, I send the seller an offer. The rulebook is 4e and 7 scenarios should get me started.

As long as I buy used - I won't be supporting the woketards. Good enough for me.

Also I send this thread to a couple of friends that are anti-woke and RPG interested... Since the woke laugh at it on twitter and "don't care" about this list, what harm could it do them anyways that I and a few friends spread the word?