Quote from: Wrath of God on April 12, 2022, 07:02:03 PM

QuoteAnd that's reason for him to be yellow, but not for him to be green. Green should only be for those with no objectionable history. If they have something that makes you wonder, put them in yellow, and let people decide for themselves.

TBH people gonna decide for themselves even in case of red - I'm not gonna stop using Burning Wheel because Ocule is triggered by Luke Crane simping to Saarkeesiaan woman really.
Of course overall problem is rules for this list are ultimately not coherent and mix a lot of things that Ocule does not like.

It's as bad as mono-axis political compasses really. And honestly some explanations for red status just mimic woke cancelling attempts like "Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red" which is basically digging in Monte Cook because you hate his gf, like really?

How bout we make it really simple...if ya dont like how the list is made...dont use it.

Buy all the woke stuff you want, it doesnt hurt anyone here...no one here is losing money to my knowledge if you buy some leftist retarded tranny/pedo/globohomo agenda trash...personally I have issues with Varg's MyFarog being in the red...Personally I think an anti-commie/anti-homo/anti-tranny should be green at least if not given a new category like"Super Green"...but Im not crying that its not...

Honestly the only reason someone would be crying about placement is theyre actually SJW's and dont like their favorite games being knocked

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 12, 2022, 07:02:03 PM

QuoteAnd that's reason for him to be yellow, but not for him to be green. Green should only be for those with no objectionable history. If they have something that makes you wonder, put them in yellow, and let people decide for themselves.

TBH people gonna decide for themselves even in case of red - I'm not gonna stop using Burning Wheel because Ocule is triggered by Luke Crane simping to Saarkeesiaan woman really.
Of course overall problem is rules for this list are ultimately not coherent and mix a lot of things that Ocule does not like.

It's as bad as mono-axis political compasses really. And honestly some explanations for red status just mimic woke cancelling attempts like "Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red" which is basically digging in Monte Cook because you hate his gf, like really?

Tell me you don't understand what cancellation is without telling me you don't understand what cancellation is.

Quote from: The Comedian on April 12, 2022, 08:25:35 PM

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 12, 2022, 07:02:03 PM

QuoteAnd that's reason for him to be yellow, but not for him to be green. Green should only be for those with no objectionable history. If they have something that makes you wonder, put them in yellow, and let people decide for themselves.

TBH people gonna decide for themselves even in case of red - I'm not gonna stop using Burning Wheel because Ocule is triggered by Luke Crane simping to Saarkeesiaan woman really.
Of course overall problem is rules for this list are ultimately not coherent and mix a lot of things that Ocule does not like.

It's as bad as mono-axis political compasses really. And honestly some explanations for red status just mimic woke cancelling attempts like "Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red" which is basically digging in Monte Cook because you hate his gf, like really?

How bout we make it really simple...if ya dont like how the list is made...dont use it.

Buy all the woke stuff you want, it doesnt hurt anyone here...no one here is losing money to my knowledge if you buy some leftist retarded tranny/pedo/globohomo agenda trash...personally I have issues with Varg's MyFarog being in the red...Personally I think an anti-commie/anti-homo/anti-tranny should be green at least if not given a new category like"Super Green"...but Im not crying that its not...

Honestly the only reason someone would be crying about placement is theyre actually SJW's and dont like their favorite games being knocked

I don't, he's the exact same type of scum as the SJWs, fuck him and his sycophants.

QuoteHow bout we make it really simple...if ya dont like how the list is made...dont use it.

And...? There is freaking over 9000 pages of vivid discussion about which publisher deserves what here so yeah quality of this list was from the get go very open to dispute.

Also one could note - I was reacting to migo's words - "And that's reason for him to be yellow, but not for him to be green. Green should only be for those with no objectionable history. If they have something that makes you wonder, put them in yellow, and let people decide for themselves." Migo suggested, to put questionable RPGs in yellow so people can decide for themselves.
I noted that they can decide for themselves if given RPGs are in red and green as well.

So yeah basically what you said.

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Buy all the woke stuff you want, it doesnt hurt anyone here...no one here is losing money to my knowledge if you buy some leftist retarded tranny/pedo/globohomo agenda trash...personally I have issues with Varg's MyFarog being in the red...Personally I think an anti-commie/anti-homo/anti-tranny should be green at least if not given a new category like"Super Green"...but Im not crying that its not...

Honestly the only reason someone would be crying about placement is theyre actually SJW's and dont like their favorite games being knocked

First of all I have mostly issues with lack of coherent standards here. There is difference between list that promotes conservative RPG producers and condemn progressive ones (and on such list I believe Pundit or Venger would landed rather yellow than green), and difference between producers going after undesirable players or not giving a shit. Those are two different aspects. And there are aspect of personal believes vs. putting them in RPGs. So three different axis of consideration.

QuoteTell me you don't understand what cancellation is without telling me you don't understand what cancellation is.

Obviously this group lacks any power for anything cancellation-like. But incoherence of this list, is generally simmilar to their lists, so epistemically it's simmilarily bad.
Like digging for undesirable co-workers and so on, even when producers generally keep straight business like face.

So I decided to look into Gallant Knight Games. First thing is there's a post on April 1st (but still up, so not a joke) about parting ways with Old Skull Publishing (Diogo Nogueira), but then I see Monster Hunter International appears to have been scrubbed. You can still get to the store page to buy it if you search for it, but there's no apparent way to find it just by going to the GKG website.

That's an interesting thing, since the objection was the partnership with Diogo (is historical association even if it has been ended still a problem?) but also the counterpoint was they publish MHI, which they don't seem to want anyone to know about - except if they're going to buy it and know specifically to look for it.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2022, 09:45:17 PM

Quote from: The Comedian on April 12, 2022, 08:25:35 PM

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 12, 2022, 07:02:03 PM

QuoteAnd that's reason for him to be yellow, but not for him to be green. Green should only be for those with no objectionable history. If they have something that makes you wonder, put them in yellow, and let people decide for themselves.

TBH people gonna decide for themselves even in case of red - I'm not gonna stop using Burning Wheel because Ocule is triggered by Luke Crane simping to Saarkeesiaan woman really.
Of course overall problem is rules for this list are ultimately not coherent and mix a lot of things that Ocule does not like.

It's as bad as mono-axis political compasses really. And honestly some explanations for red status just mimic woke cancelling attempts like "Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red" which is basically digging in Monte Cook because you hate his gf, like really?

How bout we make it really simple...if ya dont like how the list is made...dont use it.

Buy all the woke stuff you want, it doesnt hurt anyone here...no one here is losing money to my knowledge if you buy some leftist retarded tranny/pedo/globohomo agenda trash...personally I have issues with Varg's MyFarog being in the red...Personally I think an anti-commie/anti-homo/anti-tranny should be green at least if not given a new category like"Super Green"...but Im not crying that its not...

Honestly the only reason someone would be crying about placement is theyre actually SJW's and dont like their favorite games being knocked

I don't, he's the exact same type of scum as the SJWs, fuck him and his sycophants.

See thats the problem you dont have a coherent grasp of whats sjw...you want milquetoast middle...say that...own it. Its not like the sjw's will allow you to keep that anyway...I want ANTI-WOKE...I want games that make sjws cry and scream, I want them uncomfortable to even hear the name mentioned...I honestly want them completely gone from the hobby by any means necessary...

I dont want to cater...I dont want to "Get Along"...I want them banished ...I want them crushed...and I have no problem using the enemies tactics against them...and they are your enemy...they have no problem making sure you, your friends, and the companies you love never are allowed to play/produce games again...

As for Varg...Anti-Homosexual, Anti-Transgender, Anti-Rapeugee, Anti-SJW...pretty much the exact opposite of SJW...

Quote from: The Comedian on April 13, 2022, 06:53:58 AM
As for Varg...Anti-Homosexual, Anti-Transgender, Anti-Rapeugee, Anti-SJW...pretty much the exact opposite of SJW...

He's a little Nazi ponce so fuck him in the ear.

Quote from: migo on April 13, 2022, 04:55:58 AM
So I decided to look into Gallant Knight Games. First thing is there's a post on April 1st (but still up, so not a joke) about parting ways with Old Skull Publishing (Diogo Nogueira), but then I see Monster Hunter International appears to have been scrubbed. You can still get to the store page to buy it if you search for it, but there's no apparent way to find it just by going to the GKG website.

That's an interesting thing, since the objection was the partnership with Diogo (is historical association even if it has been ended still a problem?) but also the counterpoint was they publish MHI, which they don't seem to want anyone to know about - except if they're going to buy it and know specifically to look for it.

I do not understand why you are fighting so hard. The way I see it, there are only two ways to use the list. First, the conversation it creates. Nerdy hobby full of nerdy people who like talking nerdy drama. Some will object to this, but I would point to the page count plus just about any thread on these boards as evidence. And you, me, anybody who posts is a full participant.

The second way it can be used is as a buyers' guide for purchases. Pretending this is how you plan to use it and green mean potential purchases and red does not, you still have to figure out what to do with yellow.

I own several GKG products, and have seen Alan Bahr in different videos here and there. He seems like a cool guy. He has also dedicated space in his products to X card nonsense and, as mentioned previously, an entire page yelling 'full stop' at his readers in Tiny Cthulhu. With nothing else, that passes Ocule's filter for yellow.

You tell me if these were pulled, admittedly without full context, from an RPG product or any number of term papers at one of our great liberal universities:

"Racism.."
"...undeniably and factually racist"
"...explicitly racist"
"...racist overtones"
"...racist."
"...feel excluded, left out, insulted, or harmed by the content"
"...fighting in the real world for equal and fair treatment"
"Racist, misogynistic, discriminatory, or any other form of exclusionary..."
"...make something new, better, and inclusionary"

This starts on the first full page of material and continues on through to the second. The next 173 pages go on to make money from the IP.

All of that said, his kickstarters deliver some of the best value in the industry. I received a hard copy, table copy, a bunch of adventures, three or four different packs of cards and cool dice for a very reasonable amount. So while all of that is eyerolly and smacks of jerking off in front of a mirror, I'd buy one of his products if the setting suited me.

Why am I fighting so hard? It's point number two, and that's why people are interested in it. But the standards aren't consistently applied, so it's difficult to figure out if the list is actually any use at all. If you have consistent standards, you can quickly look at it and decide if the standards align with what you think is important.

As is, you have to do your own digging anyway. And since I am, I'm sharing what I've dug up.

Quote from: The Comedian on April 13, 2022, 06:53:58 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2022, 09:45:17 PM

Quote from: The Comedian on April 12, 2022, 08:25:35 PM

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 12, 2022, 07:02:03 PM

QuoteAnd that's reason for him to be yellow, but not for him to be green. Green should only be for those with no objectionable history. If they have something that makes you wonder, put them in yellow, and let people decide for themselves.

TBH people gonna decide for themselves even in case of red - I'm not gonna stop using Burning Wheel because Ocule is triggered by Luke Crane simping to Saarkeesiaan woman really.
Of course overall problem is rules for this list are ultimately not coherent and mix a lot of things that Ocule does not like.

It's as bad as mono-axis political compasses really. And honestly some explanations for red status just mimic woke cancelling attempts like "Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red" which is basically digging in Monte Cook because you hate his gf, like really?

How bout we make it really simple...if ya dont like how the list is made...dont use it.

Buy all the woke stuff you want, it doesnt hurt anyone here...no one here is losing money to my knowledge if you buy some leftist retarded tranny/pedo/globohomo agenda trash...personally I have issues with Varg's MyFarog being in the red...Personally I think an anti-commie/anti-homo/anti-tranny should be green at least if not given a new category like"Super Green"...but Im not crying that its not...

Honestly the only reason someone would be crying about placement is theyre actually SJW's and dont like their favorite games being knocked

I don't, he's the exact same type of scum as the SJWs, fuck him and his sycophants.

See thats the problem you dont have a coherent grasp of whats sjw...you want milquetoast middle...say that...own it. Its not like the sjw's will allow you to keep that anyway...I want ANTI-WOKE...I want games that make sjws cry and scream, I want them uncomfortable to even hear the name mentioned...I honestly want them completely gone from the hobby by any means necessary...

I dont want to cater...I dont want to "Get Along"...I want them banished ...I want them crushed...and I have no problem using the enemies tactics against them...and they are your enemy...they have no problem making sure you, your friends, and the companies you love never are allowed to play/produce games again...

As for Varg...Anti-Homosexual, Anti-Transgender, Anti-Rapeugee, Anti-SJW...pretty much the exact opposite of SJW...

Greetings!

Your approach to SJW's is excellent, as well as passionate. To keep our hobby from being entirely corrupted by the SJW scum, we really need more people to embrace a fierce, hard-line attitude. No apologies, no coddling, no "Getting Along", and no backing down. It really is the only way.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on April 13, 2022, 10:01:39 AM
It really is the only way.

Indeed... But I'm happy to hate Varg along with those other Woke Scold Fascists too. 

Quote from: migo on April 13, 2022, 08:43:13 AM
Why am I fighting so hard? It's point number two, and that's why people are interested in it. But the standards aren't consistently applied, so it's difficult to figure out if the list is actually any use at all. If you have consistent standards, you can quickly look at it and decide if the standards align with what you think is important.

As is, you have to do your own digging anyway. And since I am, I'm sharing what I've dug up.

And you believe the information and examples I posted are more consistently applied to companies in the green? GKG in no way passes the filter for red so I know we are aligned there.

Quote from: FingerRod on April 13, 2022, 10:40:33 AM

Quote from: migo on April 13, 2022, 08:43:13 AM
Why am I fighting so hard? It's point number two, and that's why people are interested in it. But the standards aren't consistently applied, so it's difficult to figure out if the list is actually any use at all. If you have consistent standards, you can quickly look at it and decide if the standards align with what you think is important.

As is, you have to do your own digging anyway. And since I am, I'm sharing what I've dug up.

And you believe the information and examples I posted are more consistently applied to companies in the green? GKG in no way passes the filter for red so I know we are aligned there.

Nope. It seems that games that Ocule personally likes are more likely to get a pass, with Burning Wheel being a notable exception. Of course there I'd agree it's warranted if Luke said support for GamerGate wasn't permitted. That's a pretty solid indication he's no friend. Being anti-GG is also a pretty big red flag, but if an anti allows pro-GG discussion on their forum, that would at least make them yellow absent any other problems.

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 13, 2022, 03:09:39 AM

QuoteHow bout we make it really simple...if ya dont like how the list is made...dont use it.

And...? There is freaking over 9000 pages of vivid discussion about which publisher deserves what here so yeah quality of this list was from the get go very open to dispute.

Also one could note - I was reacting to migo's words - "And that's reason for him to be yellow, but not for him to be green. Green should only be for those with no objectionable history. If they have something that makes you wonder, put them in yellow, and let people decide for themselves." Migo suggested, to put questionable RPGs in yellow so people can decide for themselves.
I noted that they can decide for themselves if given RPGs are in red and green as well.

So yeah basically what you said.

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Buy all the woke stuff you want, it doesnt hurt anyone here...no one here is losing money to my knowledge if you buy some leftist retarded tranny/pedo/globohomo agenda trash...personally I have issues with Varg's MyFarog being in the red...Personally I think an anti-commie/anti-homo/anti-tranny should be green at least if not given a new category like"Super Green"...but Im not crying that its not...

Honestly the only reason someone would be crying about placement is theyre actually SJW's and dont like their favorite games being knocked

First of all I have mostly issues with lack of coherent standards here. There is difference between list that promotes conservative RPG producers and condemn progressive ones (and on such list I believe Pundit or Venger would landed rather yellow than green), and difference between producers going after undesirable players or not giving a shit. Those are two different aspects. And there are aspect of personal believes vs. putting them in RPGs. So three different axis of consideration.

QuoteTell me you don't understand what cancellation is without telling me you don't understand what cancellation is.

Obviously this group lacks any power for anything cancellation-like. But incoherence of this list, is generally simmilar to their lists, so epistemically it's simmilarily bad.
Like digging for undesirable co-workers and so on, even when producers generally keep straight business like face.

Double down on your lack of understanding, cancellation isn't about having the power, it's about the intent, they tried to cancel JK Rowling, failed, it's still cancel culture.

Now please go learn to logic and to write proper english, I have enough problems understanding your babling as it is.

Quote from: The Comedian on April 13, 2022, 06:53:58 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2022, 09:45:17 PM

Quote from: The Comedian on April 12, 2022, 08:25:35 PM

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 12, 2022, 07:02:03 PM

QuoteAnd that's reason for him to be yellow, but not for him to be green. Green should only be for those with no objectionable history. If they have something that makes you wonder, put them in yellow, and let people decide for themselves.

TBH people gonna decide for themselves even in case of red - I'm not gonna stop using Burning Wheel because Ocule is triggered by Luke Crane simping to Saarkeesiaan woman really.
Of course overall problem is rules for this list are ultimately not coherent and mix a lot of things that Ocule does not like.

It's as bad as mono-axis political compasses really. And honestly some explanations for red status just mimic woke cancelling attempts like "Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red" which is basically digging in Monte Cook because you hate his gf, like really?

How bout we make it really simple...if ya dont like how the list is made...dont use it.

Buy all the woke stuff you want, it doesnt hurt anyone here...no one here is losing money to my knowledge if you buy some leftist retarded tranny/pedo/globohomo agenda trash...personally I have issues with Varg's MyFarog being in the red...Personally I think an anti-commie/anti-homo/anti-tranny should be green at least if not given a new category like"Super Green"...but Im not crying that its not...

Honestly the only reason someone would be crying about placement is theyre actually SJW's and dont like their favorite games being knocked

I don't, he's the exact same type of scum as the SJWs, fuck him and his sycophants.

See thats the problem you dont have a coherent grasp of whats sjw...you want milquetoast middle...say that...own it. Its not like the sjw's will allow you to keep that anyway...I want ANTI-WOKE...I want games that make sjws cry and scream, I want them uncomfortable to even hear the name mentioned...I honestly want them completely gone from the hobby by any means necessary...

I dont want to cater...I dont want to "Get Along"...I want them banished ...I want them crushed...and I have no problem using the enemies tactics against them...and they are your enemy...they have no problem making sure you, your friends, and the companies you love never are allowed to play/produce games again...

As for Varg...Anti-Homosexual, Anti-Transgender, Anti-Rapeugee, Anti-SJW...pretty much the exact opposite of SJW...

SJWs are racist, sexist fascists.

Varg's ideology is racist, sexist fascism.

If one discriminates against group XY and the other against group XX what's the difference?

You don't want "Anti-Woke" you just want woke in a way you agree with. OWN IT.

Also Varg is a Nazi wanabee scum, fuck him, his sycophants and apologists in the ass...

With a Sahuaro cactus....

SIDEWAYS!