Quote from: Ocule on April 11, 2022, 03:00:35 PM

Quote from: TheTechnomancer on April 11, 2022, 02:53:36 PM
What About DriveThruRPG?

So far imo drivethru is a tough one. On one hand they have removed products before like I think there was a gamergate rpg and a tournament of rapists game. The latter is understandable it's like hosting fatal and some piece with Raggi and zak S. One the other hand though it is usually better to buy from the publisher themselves than dtrpg if you want to support em. Alpha blue is still up and that's Vengers sleazy scifi adventure about banging your way through the galaxy

Idk anyone else have any insight? We aren't exactly swimming in choice for online storefronts for pdfs and print on demand products.

Including DT is akin to cutting up your nose to spit your face.

Do you really think anyone is going to stop buying there when that's the only 'place they can get their game X?

It also smells of SJW entryism, DT ISN'T a developer, it isn't a publisher, it's a store.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 11, 2022, 04:45:01 PM

Quote from: Ocule on April 11, 2022, 03:00:35 PM

Quote from: TheTechnomancer on April 11, 2022, 02:53:36 PM
What About DriveThruRPG?

So far imo drivethru is a tough one. On one hand they have removed products before like I think there was a gamergate rpg and a tournament of rapists game. The latter is understandable it's like hosting fatal and some piece with Raggi and zak S. One the other hand though it is usually better to buy from the publisher themselves than dtrpg if you want to support em. Alpha blue is still up and that's Vengers sleazy scifi adventure about banging your way through the galaxy

Idk anyone else have any insight? We aren't exactly swimming in choice for online storefronts for pdfs and print on demand products.

Including DT is akin to cutting up your nose to spit your face.

Do you really think anyone is going to stop buying there when that's the only 'place they can get their game X?

It also smells of SJW entryism, DT ISN'T a developer, it isn't a publisher, it's a store.

I don't know if it's that severe but I really don't care about dtrpg. On, off, meh.

Quote from: Ocule on April 11, 2022, 03:00:35 PM

Quote from: TheTechnomancer on April 11, 2022, 02:53:36 PM
What About DriveThruRPG?

So far imo drivethru is a tough one. On one hand they have removed products before like I think there was a gamergate rpg and a tournament of rapists game. The latter is understandable it's like hosting fatal and some piece with Raggi and zak S. One the other hand though it is usually better to buy from the publisher themselves than dtrpg if you want to support em. Alpha blue is still up and that's Vengers sleazy scifi adventure about banging your way through the galaxy

Idk anyone else have any insight? We aren't exactly swimming in choice for online storefronts for pdfs and print on demand products.

They've bent to a couple SJW demands, so might deserve a warning. But each response has been narrow and a reaction to specific demands. They haven't been proactive or engaged in any blanket bad behavior that I'm familiar with. I'm firmly in the "meh" category.

Their dominance in the industry should absolutely not be a factor. I don't care if you're God, the government, or Google. You shouldn't get a pass just because you're big.

They're not really a publisher in any real sense. Whether you want to add platforms like DTRPG, Lulu, or Itch is up to you.

A little bit off topic but I had to look up SPLC and then realized who it meant. So out of morbid curiousity i went looking through their website, and they have a map of hate groups across the USA and some even have personalized pages. So i'm like oh if i wanted to join a hate group what's nearby. Plenty of the normal ones you'd expect like neo nazis, aryan brothers etc, some i didnt expect including new black panthers and muslim brotherhood. But next to all of these i found one i'd like to join, apparently the American College of Pediatricians.... but med school is a bit expensive for me. Seriously that is a hate group according to the SPLC. I needed a good chuckle,

anyway I dont think im going to include dtrpg for now, I mean I dont really have much to say about them. It might change later down the line but until they start shutting off peoples accounts and keeping their money or taking down conservative creators it's whatever. I can somewhat understanding taking down the gamergate game, but they seem to still host plenty of Postmortem studios products, zak S banning was questionable because I dont know if these accusations were substantiated in a court or if he just died in the court of pubic opinion. They also host some fucking real cringe like that game where all the revolutionary larpers get to roleplay having a communist revolution. But i'd rather they allow cringe than censor anyone.

Overall I dont think youre helping or hurting anyone by buying from OBS/DTRPG. If you want a convenient place to buy pdfs, OBS seems as good as any. If you care about supporting the publisher you are buying from then buy from that publishers storefront. Since DTRPG take a cut of every sale. They really should do something about themed sales and who can opt what in though, you get some really weird things like watching that WFRP knock off get included in every sale  lol

I wouldn't put DTRPG on the list.

As an aside, the SPLC is trash, whatever you might think of their earlier work. Recently (past 10 years or so), a lot of their top leaders have joined the wokler cringe brigade, hashtagging "blm" or fists, pride flags, pronouns in bios, etc. The usual crap.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 11, 2022, 04:45:01 PMDo you really think anyone is going to stop buying there when that's the only 'place they can get their game X?

I think people SHOULD stop buying from DTRPG, but I understand that I'm in the minority here. There isn't much worth buying on DTRPG that's not available elsewhere.

DTRPG is kinda like Steam. People buy way more than they actually need or even more than they could ever use.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 11, 2022, 06:36:48 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 11, 2022, 04:45:01 PMDo you really think anyone is going to stop buying there when that's the only 'place they can get their game X?

I think people SHOULD stop buying from DTRPG, but I understand that I'm in the minority here. There isn't much worth buying on DTRPG that's not available elsewhere.

DTRPG is kinda like Steam. People buy way more than they actually need or even more than they could ever use.

People should, that's not the question, the question is will they?

Quote from: migo on April 11, 2022, 02:56:20 PM

Quote from: TheTechnomancer on April 11, 2022, 02:53:36 PM
What About DriveThruRPG?

The way they caved to Evil Hat to boot Desborough's GamerGate card game from the store is definitely not good, the problem is where else are you going to go to buy games? They have a near-monopoly on digital distribution of RPGs and now actually with print distribution too.

I forgot they did that... Very petty of Hicks to cry like a little lamb about a silly card game. Who buys card games on drivthru as well?? lol Basically he just hates GJ. If it was anyone else it'd probably be fine.

I don't like it when companies capitulate to such demands it shows weakness and that you can be easily pushed around. So people will do it again and again. Tenkar did it with that other guy's supplement 'cause it said ACAB or some such. Again, you'd want to be very emotionally fragile to pursue a ban on some 'nobody's' supplement.

I don't think any elf-game should be banned (unless it contains something like you know what).

Unfortunately, DTRPG are a nesassary evil. I buy all my shit there... But there is no real viable alternative.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 11, 2022, 06:36:48 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 11, 2022, 04:45:01 PMDo you really think anyone is going to stop buying there when that's the only 'place they can get their game X?

I think people SHOULD stop buying from DTRPG, but I understand that I'm in the minority here. There isn't much worth buying on DTRPG that's not available elsewhere.

DTRPG is kinda like Steam. People buy way more than they actually need or even more than they could ever use.

I don't think that's true. I've seen a number of games that are only available on DTRPG. Now perhaps some people would think all those games happen to not be worth buying, but even so it won't be like that for everyone, and it really isn't comparable to Steam. Steam actually has viable competition, Gog and Epic (however you feel about them) actually offer viable competition.

Is the company that makes Free Spacer woke?

Quote from: TheTechnomancer on April 11, 2022, 08:13:56 PM
Is the company that makes Free Spacer woke?

Do you know who the company is? Posting the name of the company as well as the names of the developers would help.

That said, check out their website, see if they have a blog and go through it. See if any of the developers have twitter, see what they've posted. Also if they have pronouns in the bio that's an instant pass.

Quote from: TheTechnomancer on April 11, 2022, 08:13:56 PM
Is the company that makes Free Spacer woke?

So Free Spacer is made by Random Alien Games and is owned by Christoph Sapinski.

A quick search of their Twitter, Facebook and store page dug up the following, most of their history isn't woke trash or shitting on anyone, I can't speak for the product itself because I don't have it but it seemed okay. He's Canadian but I won't hold that against him.

My areas for concern here would be a bundle fundraiser for the NAACP legal defense fund because they want "a future with black people in it" so they bought into BLMs mental cancer. The other concerning aspect I found is ktwelve on Twitter aka Karen Twelves was the editor for Free Spacers, and the author of Improv for Everybody by Evil Hat.... Random Alien Games is also affiliated with Indie press revolution, who was headed by Brennan Taylor before being succeeded by Jason Walters. They use a modified USSR style logo but most importantly it was Brennan Taylor who hired Fred Hicks from evil hat according to Wikipedia. They signed on quite a few small game companies including burning wheel and précis intermedia.

My biggest concerns would be affiliation with Karen twelve and evil hat, as well as their legal defense fund. I'd normally chock it up to being mislead but I get the feeling the author has a heavy ideological bent. Whether it shows in his games I have no idea, I'd probably be careful with them and not get your hopes up. I probably won't include them on the list for being too small and I wouldn't really have anything positive to say at the moment.

QuoteSo Free Spacer is made by Random Alien Games and is owned by Christoph Sapinski.

A quick search of their Twitter, Facebook and store page dug up the following, most of their history isn't woke trash or shitting on anyone, I can't speak for the product itself because I don't have it but it seemed okay. He's Canadian but I won't hold that against him.

My areas for concern here would be a bundle fundraiser for the NAACP legal defense fund because they want "a future with black people in it" so they bought into BLMs mental cancer. The other concerning aspect I found is ktwelve on Twitter aka Karen Twelves was the editor for Free Spacers, and the author of Improv for Everybody by Evil Hat.... Random Alien Games is also affiliated with Indie press revolution, who was headed by Brennan Taylor before being succeeded by Jason Walters. They use a modified USSR style logo but most importantly it was Brennan Taylor who hired Fred Hicks from evil hat according to Wikipedia. They signed on quite a few small game companies including burning wheel and précis intermedia.

My biggest concerns would be affiliation with Karen twelve and evil hat, as well as their legal defense fund. I'd normally chock it up to being mislead but I get the feeling the author has a heavy ideological bent. Whether it shows in his games I have no idea, I'd probably be careful with them and not get your hopes up. I probably won't include them on the list for being too small and I wouldn't really have anything positive to say at the moment.

I found about it due to finding out about DriveThruRPG Black Lives Matter Charity Sales and Black Creator Spotlight which I found about.  Is was from 2020 and I found about it on RPG.net forums.
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/drivethrurpg-black-lives-matter-charity-sales-and-black-creator-spotlight.865067/

Quote from: TheTechnomancer on April 12, 2022, 08:53:56 AM

QuoteSo Free Spacer is made by Random Alien Games and is owned by Christoph Sapinski.

A quick search of their Twitter, Facebook and store page dug up the following, most of their history isn't woke trash or shitting on anyone, I can't speak for the product itself because I don't have it but it seemed okay. He's Canadian but I won't hold that against him.

My areas for concern here would be a bundle fundraiser for the NAACP legal defense fund because they want "a future with black people in it" so they bought into BLMs mental cancer. The other concerning aspect I found is ktwelve on Twitter aka Karen Twelves was the editor for Free Spacers, and the author of Improv for Everybody by Evil Hat.... Random Alien Games is also affiliated with Indie press revolution, who was headed by Brennan Taylor before being succeeded by Jason Walters. They use a modified USSR style logo but most importantly it was Brennan Taylor who hired Fred Hicks from evil hat according to Wikipedia. They signed on quite a few small game companies including burning wheel and précis intermedia.

My biggest concerns would be affiliation with Karen twelve and evil hat, as well as their legal defense fund. I'd normally chock it up to being mislead but I get the feeling the author has a heavy ideological bent. Whether it shows in his games I have no idea, I'd probably be careful with them and not get your hopes up. I probably won't include them on the list for being too small and I wouldn't really have anything positive to say at the moment.

I found about it due to finding out about DriveThruRPG Black Lives Matter Charity Sales and Black Creator Spotlight which I found about.  Is was from 2020 and I found about it on RPG.net forums.
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/drivethrurpg-black-lives-matter-charity-sales-and-black-creator-spotlight.865067/

So cringe lol, they bought some random black lady a very nice house and bailed out quite a few violent criminals

From TBP:

QuoteNAACP Legal Defense Fund 1
Urban Shadows
Free Spacer (this is the game that during it's kackstarters told any alt right people thinking of backing it to take thewir money elsewhere)
Torg Eternity - Nile Empire Sourcebook

This combined with the quick digging Ocule did would really shift the guys behind Free Spacers being woke trash.