Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 03:49:07 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 02:52:23 PM

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Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 02:41:01 PM
Cam Banks was born in 1971 according to Google, but yeah, he's from new Zealand. I don't think the satanic panic was much of a thing outside the US. Sometimes, cultural issues in the US aren't relevant outside it, especially before the rise of the internet. Not everyone is from the US.

TV existed and it was powerful enough to push it into México.

Mexico is the next country over from the US. New Zealand is on the other side of the world.

News reached the whole word thanks to the magic of television. USA didn't invade México to bring the satanic panic here.

Ok, tell me this. Where do you think Mexican Telenovelas get more tv-play, in the USA or in New Zealand? Do you think news from a neighboring country or one that is far away is more likely to end up on tv? Would you say Mexico gets more news about stuff happening in the US or stuff happening in Germany?

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 03:59:01 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 27, 2022, 03:33:15 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 03:05:35 PM
Which of course brings up another thing. If you started playing at any point past 1974, you had more than one game available to play, with more options every year. D&D was just one of many.

And what has that got to do with the subject?

Because you wrote "If you played D&D back in the day, then you knew about the Satanic Panic BS". Pointing out that not everyone who played RGPs back in the day played D&D back in the day is thus relevant.

Especially true if you didn't have television or radio nor read newspapers (either you or your parents) and didn't ever interact (back then) with people who did. Then you certainly didn't know shit about the satanic panic.

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 04:02:10 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 03:49:07 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 02:52:23 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 02:43:05 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 02:41:01 PM
Cam Banks was born in 1971 according to Google, but yeah, he's from new Zealand. I don't think the satanic panic was much of a thing outside the US. Sometimes, cultural issues in the US aren't relevant outside it, especially before the rise of the internet. Not everyone is from the US.

TV existed and it was powerful enough to push it into México.

Mexico is the next country over from the US. New Zealand is on the other side of the world.

News reached the whole word thanks to the magic of television. USA didn't invade México to bring the satanic panic here.

Ok, tell me this. Where do you think Mexican Telenovelas get more tv-play, in the USA or in New Zealand? Do you think news from a neighboring country or one that is far away is more likely to end up on tv? Would you say Mexico gets more news about stuff happening in the US or stuff happening in Germany?

It's not about neighboring, it's about the magnitude, lots of shit happen in the USA that we don't find out. The satanic panic was on the news for long enough, with big names attached to it, so of course it reached here.

As for Mexican Telenovelas who knows? But Yolanda Vargas Dulche (the REAL quenn of comics) had her stuff translated and published to many languages and in many countries some just as far as New Zealand, I would imagine telenovelas based on her stuff did so too.

But that was back in the 80's...

Oh, wait.

Looks like I'll have to eat crow, news of stuff that occurred in the USA never reached New Zealand back in the 80's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 04:09:23 PM
Looks like I'll have to eat crow, news of stuff that occurred in the USA never reached New Zealand back in the 80's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

And that had what to do with rpgs? Because I assumed we were talking about the satanic panic as connected to rpgs, as that's the only relevance here as to whether or not Cam Banks can actually be an old gamer even if he has no personal memories of the satanic panic. The Christchurch case was about supposed abuse of pre-school children (and also occurred in 1991, not the 80s). Where is the connection to roleplaying games?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 04:06:12 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 04:02:10 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 03:49:07 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 02:52:23 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 02:43:05 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 02:41:01 PM
Cam Banks was born in 1971 according to Google, but yeah, he's from new Zealand. I don't think the satanic panic was much of a thing outside the US. Sometimes, cultural issues in the US aren't relevant outside it, especially before the rise of the internet. Not everyone is from the US.

TV existed and it was powerful enough to push it into México.

Mexico is the next country over from the US. New Zealand is on the other side of the world.

News reached the whole word thanks to the magic of television. USA didn't invade México to bring the satanic panic here.

Ok, tell me this. Where do you think Mexican Telenovelas get more tv-play, in the USA or in New Zealand? Do you think news from a neighboring country or one that is far away is more likely to end up on tv? Would you say Mexico gets more news about stuff happening in the US or stuff happening in Germany?

It's not about neighboring, it's about the magnitude, lots of shit happen in the USA that we don't find out. The satanic panic was on the news for long enough, with big names attached to it, so of course it reached here.

As for Mexican Telenovelas who knows? But Yolanda Vargas Dulche (the REAL quenn of comics) had her stuff translated and published to many languages and in many countries some just as far as New Zealand, I would imagine telenovelas based on her stuff did so too.

But that was back in the 80's...

Oh, wait.

Yes, it's about neighboring, as well as magnitude. I'm sure lots of stuff happens in the USA that you don't find out about. Shit I'm sure tons of stuff happens in Mexico that you don't find out about. But I also think you find out less of the stuff that happens in France or Germany than you do about things happening in the US, and even less stuff about things happening in say Mongolia. The USA has a lot of cultural weight all over the world, but that is magnified by geographical proximity when you live in an actual neighboring country.

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 04:16:15 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 04:09:23 PM
Looks like I'll have to eat crow, news of stuff that occurred in the USA never reached New Zealand back in the 80's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

And that had what to do with rpgs? Because I assumed we were talking about the satanic panic as connected to rpgs, as that's the only relevance here as to whether or not Cam Banks can actually be an old gamer even if he has no personal memories of the satanic panic. The Christchurch case was about supposed abuse of pre-school children (and also occurred in 1991, not the 80s). Where is the connection to roleplaying games?

Right, I bet ONLY some of it reached there...

I never said anything about him not being a gamer new or old.

The satanic panic was connected to a bunch of stuff and I bet all of the pop culture stuff was given world wide coverage, especially in the west, and like it or not New Zealand is part of the west.

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 04:23:59 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 04:06:12 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 04:02:10 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 03:49:07 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 02:52:23 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 02:43:05 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 02:41:01 PM
Cam Banks was born in 1971 according to Google, but yeah, he's from new Zealand. I don't think the satanic panic was much of a thing outside the US. Sometimes, cultural issues in the US aren't relevant outside it, especially before the rise of the internet. Not everyone is from the US.

TV existed and it was powerful enough to push it into México.

Mexico is the next country over from the US. New Zealand is on the other side of the world.

News reached the whole word thanks to the magic of television. USA didn't invade México to bring the satanic panic here.

Ok, tell me this. Where do you think Mexican Telenovelas get more tv-play, in the USA or in New Zealand? Do you think news from a neighboring country or one that is far away is more likely to end up on tv? Would you say Mexico gets more news about stuff happening in the US or stuff happening in Germany?

It's not about neighboring, it's about the magnitude, lots of shit happen in the USA that we don't find out. The satanic panic was on the news for long enough, with big names attached to it, so of course it reached here.

As for Mexican Telenovelas who knows? But Yolanda Vargas Dulche (the REAL quenn of comics) had her stuff translated and published to many languages and in many countries some just as far as New Zealand, I would imagine telenovelas based on her stuff did so too.

But that was back in the 80's...

Oh, wait.

Yes, it's about neighboring, as well as magnitude. I'm sure lots of stuff happens in the USA that you don't find out about. Shit I'm sure tons of stuff happens in Mexico that you don't find out about. But I also think you find out less of the stuff that happens in France or Germany than you do about things happening in the US, and even less stuff about things happening in say Mongolia. The USA has a lot of cultural weight all over the world, but that is magnified by geographical proximity when you live in an actual neighboring country.

México has never been a world superpower, and yet some of our culture has reached the whole world, there's Japanese mariachis IN Japan, but you assert that in a Crhistian country, one that's part of the commonwealth, news of the satanic panic and all of the ways THEY were turning the frogs gay your kids into satan worshipping demons didn't reach there...

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 04:48:11 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 04:16:15 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 04:09:23 PM
Looks like I'll have to eat crow, news of stuff that occurred in the USA never reached New Zealand back in the 80's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

And that had what to do with rpgs? Because I assumed we were talking about the satanic panic as connected to rpgs, as that's the only relevance here as to whether or not Cam Banks can actually be an old gamer even if he has no personal memories of the satanic panic. The Christchurch case was about supposed abuse of pre-school children (and also occurred in 1991, not the 80s). Where is the connection to roleplaying games?

Right, I bet ONLY some of it reached there...

I never said anything about him not being a gamer new or old.

The satanic panic was connected to a bunch of stuff and I bet all of the pop culture stuff was given world wide coverage, especially in the west, and like it or not New Zealand is part of the west.

You didn't, but the person who actually brought it up in the first place did, which is why we're talking about it right now and is therefore framing the entire discussion.

And yes, very possibly only some parts of it reached there. The parts about satanic conspiracies to murder children reached wider than anything specific to RPGs. RPGs were a niche interest, unlike something like "pre-schools" or "rock music". There were convictions in pre-school cases, and parental advisory stickers ended up on records in the US. Not so for RPGs.

As I said about Sweden, moral panic about rock music and violence in movies existed in the 1980s here. Moral panic about RPGs didn't set in until the early-mid 90s and centered on the release of Kult and Vampire, not D&D (which was obscure in Sweden anyway).

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 04:51:17 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 04:23:59 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 04:06:12 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 04:02:10 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 03:49:07 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 02:52:23 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 27, 2022, 02:43:05 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 02:41:01 PM
Cam Banks was born in 1971 according to Google, but yeah, he's from new Zealand. I don't think the satanic panic was much of a thing outside the US. Sometimes, cultural issues in the US aren't relevant outside it, especially before the rise of the internet. Not everyone is from the US.

TV existed and it was powerful enough to push it into México.

Mexico is the next country over from the US. New Zealand is on the other side of the world.

News reached the whole word thanks to the magic of television. USA didn't invade México to bring the satanic panic here.

Ok, tell me this. Where do you think Mexican Telenovelas get more tv-play, in the USA or in New Zealand? Do you think news from a neighboring country or one that is far away is more likely to end up on tv? Would you say Mexico gets more news about stuff happening in the US or stuff happening in Germany?

It's not about neighboring, it's about the magnitude, lots of shit happen in the USA that we don't find out. The satanic panic was on the news for long enough, with big names attached to it, so of course it reached here.

As for Mexican Telenovelas who knows? But Yolanda Vargas Dulche (the REAL quenn of comics) had her stuff translated and published to many languages and in many countries some just as far as New Zealand, I would imagine telenovelas based on her stuff did so too.

But that was back in the 80's...

Oh, wait.

Yes, it's about neighboring, as well as magnitude. I'm sure lots of stuff happens in the USA that you don't find out about. Shit I'm sure tons of stuff happens in Mexico that you don't find out about. But I also think you find out less of the stuff that happens in France or Germany than you do about things happening in the US, and even less stuff about things happening in say Mongolia. The USA has a lot of cultural weight all over the world, but that is magnified by geographical proximity when you live in an actual neighboring country.

México has never been a world superpower, and yet some of our culture has reached the whole world, there's Japanese mariachis IN Japan, but you assert that in a Crhistian country, one that's part of the commonwealth, news of the satanic panic and all of the ways THEY were turning the frogs gay your kids into satan worshipping demons didn't reach there...

I didn't live in New Zealand then, so I'm not asserting that it didn't, I'm saying it's perfectly possible it didn't. Mariachi bands were not a thing that popped up in the 80s in Mexico and then faded away a decade later, comparing it to the satanic panic is like comparing the spread of anime to awareness of Japanese political scandals of the 80s in other countries.

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 03:59:01 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 27, 2022, 03:33:15 PM

Quote from: Blankman on March 27, 2022, 03:05:35 PM
Which of course brings up another thing. If you started playing at any point past 1974, you had more than one game available to play, with more options every year. D&D was just one of many.

And what has that got to do with the subject?

Because you wrote "If you played D&D back in the day, then you knew about the Satanic Panic BS". Pointing out that not everyone who played RGPs back in the day played D&D back in the day is thus relevant.

Well, I don't believe he didn't hear about it.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 27, 2022, 06:26:55 PM
Well, I don't believe he didn't hear about it.

  I'm sure he heard about it, but I doubt it had an immediate impact on him or anyone he knew, and that can lead to easy dismissal of it as not that important.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 27, 2022, 07:14:25 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 27, 2022, 06:26:55 PM
Well, I don't believe he didn't hear about it.

  I'm sure he heard about it, but I doubt it had an immediate impact on him or anyone he knew, and that can lead to easy dismissal of it as not that important.

Well, that's a more believable scenario to be fair.

Eitherway, Banks is a complete gobshite.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 27, 2022, 07:15:29 PM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 27, 2022, 07:14:25 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 27, 2022, 06:26:55 PM
Well, I don't believe he didn't hear about it.

  I'm sure he heard about it, but I doubt it had an immediate impact on him or anyone he knew, and that can lead to easy dismissal of it as not that important.

Well, that's a more believable scenario to be fair.

Eitherway, Banks is a complete gobshite.

Having met him in person, I can confirm that he is a soy-filled bitch Gamma Male and thus a complete shitheel.

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on March 27, 2022, 07:18:47 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 27, 2022, 07:15:29 PM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 27, 2022, 07:14:25 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 27, 2022, 06:26:55 PM
Well, I don't believe he didn't hear about it.

  I'm sure he heard about it, but I doubt it had an immediate impact on him or anyone he knew, and that can lead to easy dismissal of it as not that important.

Well, that's a more believable scenario to be fair.

Eitherway, Banks is a complete gobshite.

Having met him in person, I can confirm that he is a soy-filled bitch Gamma Male and thus a complete shitheel.

Thanks for the responses!
Yeah - I'm an older gamer - discovering it as a kid in the 80s.  I consider myself one of the first wave of "Munchkin" gamers - the kid that grabs at the Ral Partha topless woman warrior miniature and his older brother/brother's friend is going "This little shit had better NOT tell my Mom about her and my Heavy Metals..."

The scars of the "Satanic Panic" run deep and truly is bitter the laughter.
Think about it:

50s kids - got to cruise with Cadillacs (and Dinosaurs? - joking) wear leather jackets, grease their hair, play with switchblades, do "Chicken Races" to edge of cliffs.  "Ah, kids and their death games...  Son, you are going to study out of state and your Girlfriend is going to Mexico for ... medical treatment.  Keep your ears clean for a few years till you can be my boss!"

60s kids - "Dad...  I'm burning my draft card, hiding out at our uncle's cabin in Canada but first going to Woodstock to get drunk, drugged and ORGY for days...bye...  I might go back to school later..."

70s kids - "Oh, LORDY the PARTY I missed...  Have to make up for it with drugs, partying, fast cars...sex with anything female who'll put out..."

80s kids - >  Their Dad and Mom and Officer McMurphy burst in - "SON - we have to TALK...  There's rumors going around You are involved in this SATANIC CULT..."  After much explanation Jr avoids leaving in handcuffs but the D&D books go into the collection so the pastor can BURN them on Sunday and try to 'exorcise' him.

That was a brush big enough to cover a good section of Earth/Oerth but pretty true...  80s song "Fight for your right to party..."   RIGHT - "Fight for your right to pretend to be a Halfling (hobbit) in the BASEMENT..."  But no one claiming to be any part of any of the older (and even 2000s should count) TSR/WoTC core games should respect bowing to censorship.  They learned the hard way - more clothes on the women + renaming Demons/Devils + no Assassins in the player's handbook = "See?  They admitted they were demonists!" and lower sales.  In the 90s the companies like White Wolf (RIP now WokeWolf it seems) fought tooth and CLAW - including using lawyers on the literal "Blood Libel" they felt like spewing.  Now a few Wall Street CEOs want to hustle the left and divide and conquer and our hobbies are the targets of their 'useful idiots'...

This "Game Designer" needs to be Woke-listed so he ONLY sells to the "Woke".  He'll brag and boast to be on the list - but a few years they'll move on and the "Woke" are a fraction of the radical left and that Starbucks tip jar only goes so far.  Probably will be begging to get off it.  So please update it and I'll send notice to him to get a rambling "I am PROUD to be..." screenshot JIC legal years from now.