Quote from: Ocule on December 25, 2021, 09:54:40 AM
I think it was a page or two ago in the thread.

Danka

Osprey Games for injecting forced diversity into games based on European legend and history such as Heirs to the Hersey and Romance of the Perilous Land  yet there are no such mandates in non-European based games/setting such as Righteous Blood, Ruthless Blades.

QuoteThis game uses history as a foundation for its stories, but it moves beyond historical fact to forge something new by layering mysticism, fantasy, and modern ideals on top of it. Replicating history is not the goal of this game, nor should it be your goal at the table (either as a player or Grand Master.)

Heirs to the Hersey

They almost got the diversity correct.  Now if  they would just replace the pregen  third from the left with a trans Asian in a wheelchair it would be much better.




Meanwhile in  Righteous Blood, Ruthless Blades.

What the fuck happened to Osprey? Was it sold? For all my life I remember it as the company that published the incredible, excellent illustrated historical military books full of very accurate drawings of period gear and uniforms.

Now it has a Muslim Templar and female King Arthur?!

I swear people from Africa hate their own history and culture so they're trying to co-opt ours. A Muslim Templar makes no sense, I need to get a hard copy of lion wnd dragon and dark Albion while I can. Been diving into becmi lately to try and understand the root of most osr games lately as a sort of "common language" or lingua franca before delving into the others.

Quote from: Ocule on December 26, 2021, 01:58:49 PM
I swear people from Africa hate their own history and culture so they're trying to co-opt ours. A Muslim Templar makes no sense, I need to get a hard copy of lion wnd dragon and dark Albion while I can. Been diving into becmi lately to try and understand the root of most osr games lately as a sort of "common language" or lingua franca before delving into the others.

Africans in Africa are fine with their history. This is all Western SJWs doing this.

This is generally true of the whole world. Some places have a bit of a postcolonial "Everything was peaceful until the British Empire attacked" thing going on, but you don't see anything like this SJW stuff.

Quote from: Ocule on December 26, 2021, 01:58:49 PM
A Muslim Templar makes no sense

It does if you're a dipshit liberal who thinks Arab = Mudslime.  An Arab Templar makes perfect sense so long he's Roman Catholic.

Did the Coptic Christians support the Templars? That might make sense.

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 26, 2021, 12:48:17 PM
What the fuck happened to Osprey? Was it sold? For all my life I remember it as the company that published the incredible, excellent illustrated historical military books full of very accurate drawings of period gear and uniforms.

Now it has a Muslim Templar and female King Arthur?!

I dunno. I collect a lot of their warbandy casual fantasy, sci-fi, history, and other blue table top splat books and some of their hard back tabletop campaign games (including those they just publish like Tomorrow's War and Horizon Wars) like Mad Dogs With Guns and Star Grave and Frost Grave, or Scrappers, or Ragnarok, or Dracula's America, but I don't really pay much attention to their rpg stuff.  I do know that one of the guys who did Reality's Edge seems like a raging wokester on facebook.

Quote from: The Spaniard on December 24, 2021, 12:15:58 PM
Oof... one of the guys in my regular online group wants to run this Coyote and Crow mess.  I didn't think anything of it until I read that gem of an opening.  Good grief, what a load of crap.

We are always told to "subvert the genre", so you should play a bounty hunter who captures escaped slaves for their sadistic Comanche masters.

Quote from: Rhymer88 on December 27, 2021, 04:54:03 AM

Quote from: The Spaniard on December 24, 2021, 12:15:58 PM
Oof... one of the guys in my regular online group wants to run this Coyote and Crow mess.  I didn't think anything of it until I read that gem of an opening.  Good grief, what a load of crap.

We are always told to "subvert the genre", so you should play a bounty hunter who captures escaped slaves for their sadistic Comanche masters.

But if you're not of indigenous descent, those would be the sadistic Omanchec.

Quote from: Rhymer88 on December 27, 2021, 04:54:03 AM

Quote from: The Spaniard on December 24, 2021, 12:15:58 PM
Oof... one of the guys in my regular online group wants to run this Coyote and Crow mess.  I didn't think anything of it until I read that gem of an opening.  Good grief, what a load of crap.

We are always told to "subvert the genre", so you should play a bounty hunter who captures escaped slaves for their sadistic Comanche masters.

an escaped slave bounty hunter in a combat wheelchair who captures escaped female slaves in support of the patriarchy...

Just to give some info on the Osprey thing

I co-wrote Righteous Blood Ruthless Blades. All I can tell you is we didn't get any mandate on anything political at all. We were given freedom to make the game we wanted to make (and my impression from the other products I have seen is other designers they hired were also given this freedom).

Also Osprey's RPG division is different from its historical military series. The reason I went with Osprey when they contacted me about doing a book was because I was a fan of there books on armies, arms and armor (I remember they were considered accurate enough that my Byzantine History professor said even though they weren't official academic sources, he highly recommended them for supplemental learning during our course). As far as I know, those books are the same. The RPG line is more into RPG genres and concepts (the only other one I have read fully is Those Dark Places, which is kind of like Alien meets Outland).

Quote from: Bedrockbrendan on December 27, 2021, 10:21:04 AM
I co-wrote Righteous Blood Ruthless Blades.

So we have you to blame for the lack of transgender African pansexual combat wheelchair Samurai! 

Quote from: Bedrockbrendan on December 27, 2021, 10:21:04 AM
Just to give some info on the Osprey thing

I co-wrote Righteous Blood Ruthless Blades. All I can tell you is we didn't get any mandate on anything political at all. We were given freedom to make the game we wanted to make (and my impression from the other products I have seen is other designers they hired were also given this freedom).

Also Osprey's RPG division is different from its historical military series. The reason I went with Osprey when they contacted me about doing a book was because I was a fan of there books on armies, arms and armor (I remember they were considered accurate enough that my Byzantine History professor said even though they weren't official academic sources, he highly recommended them for supplemental learning during our course). As far as I know, those books are the same. The RPG line is more into RPG genres and concepts (the only other one I have read fully is Those Dark Places, which is kind of like Alien meets Outland).

So what's the deal with black female knights or monarchs, what appears to be a Templar wearing a turban and clean shaven (Templar's had to have facial hair and appear as Christ) or the disclaimer basically saying screw history rewrite it with modern ideals.

Blood ruthless blade doesn't seem to have the same philosophy. Like I get alternate history or historical fantasy but the whole point is to use earth seems to be to have a ready made world that takes into account things that wouldn't really be practical for a human mind to sit down and consider.

Quote from: Ocule on December 27, 2021, 11:40:29 AM

Quote from: Bedrockbrendan on December 27, 2021, 10:21:04 AM
Just to give some info on the Osprey thing

I co-wrote Righteous Blood Ruthless Blades. All I can tell you is we didn't get any mandate on anything political at all. We were given freedom to make the game we wanted to make (and my impression from the other products I have seen is other designers they hired were also given this freedom).

Also Osprey's RPG division is different from its historical military series. The reason I went with Osprey when they contacted me about doing a book was because I was a fan of there books on armies, arms and armor (I remember they were considered accurate enough that my Byzantine History professor said even though they weren't official academic sources, he highly recommended them for supplemental learning during our course). As far as I know, those books are the same. The RPG line is more into RPG genres and concepts (the only other one I have read fully is Those Dark Places, which is kind of like Alien meets Outland).

So what's the deal with black female knights or monarchs, what appears to be a Templar wearing a turban and clean shaven (Templar's had to have facial hair and appear as Christ) or the disclaimer basically saying screw history rewrite it with modern ideals.

Blood ruthless blade doesn't seem to have the same philosophy. Like I get alternate history or historical fantasy but the whole point is to use earth seems to be to have a ready made world that takes into account things that wouldn't really be practical for a human mind to sit down and consider.

I haven't read those books so I am not familiar enough to weigh in on the content. I can just say based on my experience, I don't think any of the authors got a mandate from Osprey on the content in terms of politics.

The way it worked for me was they contacted me, then me and my co-writer presented out pitch of what we wanted to make and they green lit the project. They didn't interfere with any of our choices or tell us to avoid certain things (and I think you can see that in the content of the game we ended up making). I am assuming the process was similar for other designers. And again my sense was they wanted books that had a clear vision of what they wanted to do and gave folks the space to do that. Just comparing our book and Those Dark Places, while there are similarities in terms of production value, they are so different (in a way I think is good).