I think that if it is correct that Necrotic Gnome is tied to EF, and the only discord server for OSE is the one that EF is now trying to claim is a "fan" discord server but the one all their official stuff goes through first, then Necrotic Gnome has to either shit or get off the pot. They have to tell all OSE fans whether they support or oppose the censoring of Venger from that server.

If they don't, we have to assume they're hostiles in this context. Because after all, silence is violence.

I mean, Necrotic Gnome has their own discord, at least I've been in a Necrotic Gnome discord for a few months and it hasn't had anything to do with EF

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 04, 2021, 06:17:53 PM
Here are some images of a recent EF email I received saying that the discord is theirs (not a fan discord) and THE place to get their real time news, and the back of the new OSE Advanced books which shows that it is an EF product now:

Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 07, 2021, 08:01:24 AM
I mean, Necrotic Gnome has their own discord, at least I've been in a Necrotic Gnome discord for a few months and it hasn't had anything to do with EF

Yes but OSE has everything to do with EF, since they are not only the distributor, but now also the co-publisher too. NG is only a co-publisher of OSE now

So I don't know if this has been passed around yet but there is an update from Aaron the Pedantic on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIOjaX7gag4&t=527s

So it might be worth something, i'd like to see a stronger stance but they did clarify it is not an official discord server and it is fan made however EF does use the fan discord to keep people updated and directs them there on their website. Which is not a really a good thing because they have no control over the discord itself. I think Genesys allowed fans to run away with their trade dress and advertise as official groups, cubicle 7 I believe also has a fan group that is sanctioned by C7 so it might not be that uncommon.

Quote from: Ocule on October 07, 2021, 02:50:21 PM
So I don't know if this has been passed around yet but there is an update from Aaron the Pedantic on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIOjaX7gag4&t=527s

So it might be worth something, i'd like to see a stronger stance but they did clarify it is not an official discord server and it is fan made however EF does use the fan discord to keep people updated and directs them there on their website. Which is not a really a good thing because they have no control over the discord itself. I think Genesys allowed fans to run away with their trade dress and advertise as official groups, cubicle 7 I believe also has a fan group that is sanctioned by C7 so it might not be that uncommon.

What a stupid situation for Exalted Funeral to get themselves into. Why the hell do they have a pseudo-official discord that they don't actually control? Why put your company's reputation in the hands of the most loathsome sort of petty little neckbeard bully known to mankind, the discord mod? Why the hell does a storefront have a discord of any kind? The owners of drivethru aren't dumb enough to have their own bespoke discussion forum where they can get into this kind of trouble, as far as I know.

Quote from: Plotinus on October 07, 2021, 10:06:37 PM

Quote from: Ocule on October 07, 2021, 02:50:21 PM
So I don't know if this has been passed around yet but there is an update from Aaron the Pedantic on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIOjaX7gag4&t=527s

So it might be worth something, i'd like to see a stronger stance but they did clarify it is not an official discord server and it is fan made however EF does use the fan discord to keep people updated and directs them there on their website. Which is not a really a good thing because they have no control over the discord itself. I think Genesys allowed fans to run away with their trade dress and advertise as official groups, cubicle 7 I believe also has a fan group that is sanctioned by C7 so it might not be that uncommon.

What a stupid situation for Exalted Funeral to get themselves into. Why the hell do they have a pseudo-official discord that they don't actually control? Why put your company's reputation in the hands of the most loathsome sort of petty little neckbeard bully known to mankind, the discord mod? Why the hell does a storefront have a discord of any kind? The owners of drivethru aren't dumb enough to have their own bespoke discussion forum where they can get into this kind of trouble, as far as I know.

Sort of acts as a Plausible Deniabilty layer, No? Their official-unofficial Discord can be their advertising board, etc., and if it's shitty, they can say "Ooops! That wasn't us!"
If the company regretted what their Discord mods did, they would sever ties, but they won't.

Quote from: DM_Curt on October 07, 2021, 11:48:56 PM

Quote from: Plotinus on October 07, 2021, 10:06:37 PM

Quote from: Ocule on October 07, 2021, 02:50:21 PM
So I don't know if this has been passed around yet but there is an update from Aaron the Pedantic on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIOjaX7gag4&t=527s

So it might be worth something, i'd like to see a stronger stance but they did clarify it is not an official discord server and it is fan made however EF does use the fan discord to keep people updated and directs them there on their website. Which is not a really a good thing because they have no control over the discord itself. I think Genesys allowed fans to run away with their trade dress and advertise as official groups, cubicle 7 I believe also has a fan group that is sanctioned by C7 so it might not be that uncommon.

What a stupid situation for Exalted Funeral to get themselves into. Why the hell do they have a pseudo-official discord that they don't actually control? Why put your company's reputation in the hands of the most loathsome sort of petty little neckbeard bully known to mankind, the discord mod? Why the hell does a storefront have a discord of any kind? The owners of drivethru aren't dumb enough to have their own bespoke discussion forum where they can get into this kind of trouble, as far as I know.

Sort of acts as a Plausible Deniabilty layer, No? Their official-unofficial Discord can be their advertising board, etc., and if it's shitty, they can say "Ooops! That wasn't us!"
If the company regretted what their Discord mods did, they would sever ties, but they won't.

I was thinking the same thing, why would anyone from EF/NG admit to anything, or take any responsibility. It seems like the best tactic to distance themselves from everything as much as possible publicly. Its like when a fair-weathered fan of a team says "WE won," when the team wins but "THEY lost" when the team loses.

My guess is the people who made the decision to not give NG/EF anymore money because of this incident will not be swayed to come back and those who remained loyal customers will remain so despite these events anyways. And those who went back and forth and got stuck with unwanted OSE copies can always sell them on secondary markets for a good bit as they are so popular.

Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 07, 2021, 08:01:24 AM
I mean, Necrotic Gnome has their own discord, at least I've been in a Necrotic Gnome discord for a few months and it hasn't had anything to do with EF

I've been in the NG discord for several months as well. So far it's been apolitical.

In other woke news/developments: Paizo blog messageboards are still aflame with braindead bandwagon trans "allies" and supposed trans gamers inflamed and furious over the allegations that JP and her cohort whisper network of extortionists leveled at the company.

APPARENTLY following Washington State law and sexual harassment guidelines by disallowing mixed genders to share a hotel room during business trips (conventions) from back in 2017 is all the proof in the world that a company FOUNDED BY a trans woman is an intentionally transphobic toxic work environment that discriminates against POC and the LGBT+ crowd despite the nonstop diversity, representation, and inclusivity in their books and on staff.

They really made their bed when they decided to swing as heavy as they could into what some call woke identity politics because it would seem that since they didn't elevate a couple of hyper feminazi trans advocate girl bosses to control their entire operation they are now under sustained (and I'm convinced sock account driven) fire by those very same individuals who had to be fired FOR CAUSE (Being disruptive, adversarial, and demanding to control every conversation and product they were involved in) and their fans. The community so intentionally built to help represent and make sure they were heard is now attempting to cancel, boycott, and slander Paizo for not being extremist enough for them.

My only hope is that somebody with sense enough to have saved receipts on JP, CF, and their entire cohort of demons comes forward to prove exactly how disingenuous and grossly self-centered they are, even if it means them breaking one of the NDAs that keep them employed. The sickos are trying to burn down the hospital built for them because they weren't given the keys to the building, I only hope the company gains some sense and finds a way to shed all of those toxic idiots who are stupid enough to believe clout chasing twitter gossip.

The current narrative about Paizo is that the creatives and middle management are gods, but the upper management is wholly monstrous.* Not having followed the company and being reluctant to give them any money, I can't speak to how much of a resemblance that bears to reality.

* Using the division of people into 'gods'--Enlightened, Woke, TBP-moderator types who understand their own 'divinity' and that of those who agree and conform--and 'monsters'--those who deny the 'gods' and their 'truths'. With apologies to James Whale, William Hurlbut, and Ernst Thesiger.

Fuck Baizuo but...

This is just a Coup D'état! by the woke.

We're being witness to the first Coup D'état! against a megacorporation on the whole facebook circus, don't get me wrong fuck facebook and Zukerborg.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 08, 2021, 12:04:49 PM
Fuck Baizuo but...

This is just a Coup D'état! by the woke.

We're being witness to the first Coup D'état! against a megacorporation on the whole facebook circus, don't get me wrong fuck facebook and Zukerborg.

As much fun as it is to watch them squirm, staging a coup against the leadership of a corporation is probably a bit harder than just walking around screeching.

I don't believe Paizo is publicly traded, but I do wonder who owns controlling interest in the company.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 08, 2021, 12:10:38 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 08, 2021, 12:04:49 PM
Fuck Baizuo but...

This is just a Coup D'état! by the woke.

We're being witness to the first Coup D'état! against a megacorporation on the whole facebook circus, don't get me wrong fuck facebook and Zukerborg.

As much fun as it is to watch them squirm, staging a coup against the leadership of a corporation is probably a bit harder than just walking around screeching.

I don't believe Paizo is publicly traded, but I do wonder who owns controlling interest in the company.

Not so hard in the case of Blizzard, Baizuo (as we've seen they have been forced to do stuff and spend money, Blizzard at least, bBaizuo probablky will follow soon).

As for facebook they are publicly traded, their stock fell, and even some dumbasses in rightwing media are getting behind the "whistleblower". With the ones organizing the coup having the media and government backing...

Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 08, 2021, 12:10:38 PM
I don't believe Paizo is publicly traded, but I do wonder who owns controlling interest in the company.

Lisa Stevens would be my guess

Long time lurker here.

Yesterday the official/unofficial EF discord was renamed The Necropolis and ownership was transferred over to Ifrit (The mod that did the original banning).  Ifrit created an announcement message about how things will be changing in the future to create a safe environment. Fun side note, the actual EF user (I'm assuming the owner of EF)  posted in general chat a gif of that student giving a peace sign and fading away right after the announcement post.