Hmmm that news about OSE/ Necrotic Gnome surprises me, but it doesn't surprise me about Exalted Funeral.  I used to listen to a supposedly metal rpg podcast, and they've had the guy from Exaluted Funeral on as a guest many times over the years, and the hosts of the podcast are flaming fully fleged knowing what they are doing, don't play at my table if you're to the right of stalin type SJWs, and the guy who runs EF seems to be into that stuff too, which really makes me sad that Necrotic Gnome is getting caught up in this too. I lose the OSE products themselves.

Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 05, 2021, 05:12:12 PM
Hmmm that news about OSE/ Necrotic Gnome surprises me, but it doesn't surprise me about Exalted Funeral.  I used to listen to a supposedly metal rpg podcast, and they've had the guy from Exaluted Funeral on as a guest many times over the years, and the hosts of the podcast are flaming fully fleged knowing what they are doing, don't play at my table if you're to the right of stalin type SJWs, and the guy who runs EF seems to be into that stuff too, which really makes me sad that Necrotic Gnome is getting caught up in this too. I lose the OSE products themselves.

Does anyone know why Necrotic Gnome brought Exalted Funeral on as their co-publisher?

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Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 05, 2021, 05:12:12 PM
Hmmm that news about OSE/ Necrotic Gnome surprises me, but it doesn't surprise me about Exalted Funeral.  I used to listen to a supposedly metal rpg podcast, and they've had the guy from Exaluted Funeral on as a guest many times over the years, and the hosts of the podcast are flaming fully fleged knowing what they are doing, don't play at my table if you're to the right of stalin type SJWs, and the guy who runs EF seems to be into that stuff too, which really makes me sad that Necrotic Gnome is getting caught up in this too. I lose the OSE products themselves.

Does anyone know why Necrotic Gnome brought Exalted Funeral on as their co-publisher?

I suspect there was money involved in some way...

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Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 05, 2021, 05:12:12 PM
Hmmm that news about OSE/ Necrotic Gnome surprises me, but it doesn't surprise me about Exalted Funeral.  I used to listen to a supposedly metal rpg podcast, and they've had the guy from Exaluted Funeral on as a guest many times over the years, and the hosts of the podcast are flaming fully fleged knowing what they are doing, don't play at my table if you're to the right of stalin type SJWs, and the guy who runs EF seems to be into that stuff too, which really makes me sad that Necrotic Gnome is getting caught up in this too. I lose the OSE products themselves.

Does anyone know why Necrotic Gnome brought Exalted Funeral on as their co-publisher?

I suspect there was money involved in some way...

I know, at least in part, it was to act as a distributor. When I ordered their products a couple years ago I had to call my bank, because of me purchasing something in a foreign currency (I have US dollars and the product was being sold in Euros), and it had to be shipped from Europe. Exalted Funeral distributing in the USA makes it cheaper and less of a hassle for US customers to get the product. Anywho, Necrotic Gnome has info about them partnering with Exalted Funeral on their website.

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Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 05, 2021, 05:12:12 PM
Hmmm that news about OSE/ Necrotic Gnome surprises me, but it doesn't surprise me about Exalted Funeral.  I used to listen to a supposedly metal rpg podcast, and they've had the guy from Exaluted Funeral on as a guest many times over the years, and the hosts of the podcast are flaming fully fleged knowing what they are doing, don't play at my table if you're to the right of stalin type SJWs, and the guy who runs EF seems to be into that stuff too, which really makes me sad that Necrotic Gnome is getting caught up in this too. I lose the OSE products themselves.

Does anyone know why Necrotic Gnome brought Exalted Funeral on as their co-publisher?

I suspect there was money involved in some way...

I know, at least in part, it was to act as a distributor. When I ordered their products a couple years ago I had to call my bank, because of me purchasing something in a foreign currency (I have US dollars and the product was being sold in Euros), and it had to be shipped from Europe. Exalted Funeral distributing in the USA makes it cheaper and less of a hassle for US customers to get the product. Anywho, Necrotic Gnome has info about them partnering with Exalted Funeral on their website.

Yeah, but now they are more than a distributor and a co-publisher that will be distributing OSE exclusively worldwide. Their logo is on the back of the new OSE books as well. As popular as OSE is, I'm just surprised they needed to bring on a co-publisher. But, maybe it was too good of a deal to pass up.

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Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 05, 2021, 05:12:12 PM
Hmmm that news about OSE/ Necrotic Gnome surprises me, but it doesn't surprise me about Exalted Funeral.  I used to listen to a supposedly metal rpg podcast, and they've had the guy from Exaluted Funeral on as a guest many times over the years, and the hosts of the podcast are flaming fully fleged knowing what they are doing, don't play at my table if you're to the right of stalin type SJWs, and the guy who runs EF seems to be into that stuff too, which really makes me sad that Necrotic Gnome is getting caught up in this too. I lose the OSE products themselves.

Does anyone know why Necrotic Gnome brought Exalted Funeral on as their co-publisher?

I suspect there was money involved in some way...

I know, at least in part, it was to act as a distributor. When I ordered their products a couple years ago I had to call my bank, because of me purchasing something in a foreign currency (I have US dollars and the product was being sold in Euros), and it had to be shipped from Europe. Exalted Funeral distributing in the USA makes it cheaper and less of a hassle for US customers to get the product. Anywho, Necrotic Gnome has info about them partnering with Exalted Funeral on their website.

Yeah, but now they are more than a distributor and a co-publisher that will be distributing OSE exclusively worldwide. Their logo is on the back of the new OSE books as well. As popular as OSE is, I'm just surprised they needed to bring on a co-publisher. But, maybe it was too good of a deal to pass up.

So it points back to money being involved...

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 05, 2021, 05:44:44 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 05, 2021, 05:43:20 PM

Quote from: Bob Smob on October 05, 2021, 05:39:09 PM

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Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 05, 2021, 05:12:12 PM
Hmmm that news about OSE/ Necrotic Gnome surprises me, but it doesn't surprise me about Exalted Funeral.  I used to listen to a supposedly metal rpg podcast, and they've had the guy from Exaluted Funeral on as a guest many times over the years, and the hosts of the podcast are flaming fully fleged knowing what they are doing, don't play at my table if you're to the right of stalin type SJWs, and the guy who runs EF seems to be into that stuff too, which really makes me sad that Necrotic Gnome is getting caught up in this too. I lose the OSE products themselves.

Does anyone know why Necrotic Gnome brought Exalted Funeral on as their co-publisher?

I suspect there was money involved in some way...

I know, at least in part, it was to act as a distributor. When I ordered their products a couple years ago I had to call my bank, because of me purchasing something in a foreign currency (I have US dollars and the product was being sold in Euros), and it had to be shipped from Europe. Exalted Funeral distributing in the USA makes it cheaper and less of a hassle for US customers to get the product. Anywho, Necrotic Gnome has info about them partnering with Exalted Funeral on their website.

Yeah, but now they are more than a distributor and a co-publisher that will be distributing OSE exclusively worldwide. Their logo is on the back of the new OSE books as well. As popular as OSE is, I'm just surprised they needed to bring on a co-publisher. But, maybe it was too good of a deal to pass up.

So it points back to money being involved...

Ummmm, yeah, they are businesses. Money is involved. Better for customers and the companies: more printing services, easy distribution in the USA and elsewhere. No grand conspiracies. Or are there?     

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Quote from: HappyDaze on October 05, 2021, 05:44:44 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 05, 2021, 05:43:20 PM

Quote from: Bob Smob on October 05, 2021, 05:39:09 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 05, 2021, 05:25:57 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 05, 2021, 05:22:16 PM

Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 05, 2021, 05:12:12 PM
Hmmm that news about OSE/ Necrotic Gnome surprises me, but it doesn't surprise me about Exalted Funeral.  I used to listen to a supposedly metal rpg podcast, and they've had the guy from Exaluted Funeral on as a guest many times over the years, and the hosts of the podcast are flaming fully fleged knowing what they are doing, don't play at my table if you're to the right of stalin type SJWs, and the guy who runs EF seems to be into that stuff too, which really makes me sad that Necrotic Gnome is getting caught up in this too. I lose the OSE products themselves.

Does anyone know why Necrotic Gnome brought Exalted Funeral on as their co-publisher?

I suspect there was money involved in some way...

I know, at least in part, it was to act as a distributor. When I ordered their products a couple years ago I had to call my bank, because of me purchasing something in a foreign currency (I have US dollars and the product was being sold in Euros), and it had to be shipped from Europe. Exalted Funeral distributing in the USA makes it cheaper and less of a hassle for US customers to get the product. Anywho, Necrotic Gnome has info about them partnering with Exalted Funeral on their website.

Yeah, but now they are more than a distributor and a co-publisher that will be distributing OSE exclusively worldwide. Their logo is on the back of the new OSE books as well. As popular as OSE is, I'm just surprised they needed to bring on a co-publisher. But, maybe it was too good of a deal to pass up.

So it points back to money being involved...

Ummmm, yeah, they are businesses. Money is involved. Better for customers and the companies: more printing services, easy distribution in the USA and elsewhere. No grand conspiracies. Or are there?     

I like money.

Quote from: wmarshal on October 05, 2021, 04:13:41 PM
This is just awful. Reads like Pendradgon is now just a piece of masturbatory fan-fiction where the goal is to see 1200 years of social development occur in a couple dozen game sessions. No real desire on the part of the game to engage with the legends.

  This approach to Arthuriana goes back at least to T.H. White, if not earlier, and the Kennedy "Camelot" myth-appropriation* probably contributed to it. But Pendragon's always made compromises with the legends for the sake of player comfort, IIRC--Stafford said that paganism was included as a live religious option for PCs in part because some players were uncomfortable with having to play Christians.

Although Stafford was brought into gaming in a meeting at the house of Paul Zimmer, brother of Marion Zimmer Bradley, who did a lot of poisoning the well with The Mists of Avalon. Confirming that connection has made me a lot more skeptical of Stafford's approach to the Matter of Britain.

   * No apologies.

   

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Quote from: Bob Smob on October 05, 2021, 05:39:09 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 05, 2021, 05:25:57 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 05, 2021, 05:22:16 PM

Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 05, 2021, 05:12:12 PM
Hmmm that news about OSE/ Necrotic Gnome surprises me, but it doesn't surprise me about Exalted Funeral.  I used to listen to a supposedly metal rpg podcast, and they've had the guy from Exaluted Funeral on as a guest many times over the years, and the hosts of the podcast are flaming fully fleged knowing what they are doing, don't play at my table if you're to the right of stalin type SJWs, and the guy who runs EF seems to be into that stuff too, which really makes me sad that Necrotic Gnome is getting caught up in this too. I lose the OSE products themselves.

Does anyone know why Necrotic Gnome brought Exalted Funeral on as their co-publisher?

I suspect there was money involved in some way...

I know, at least in part, it was to act as a distributor. When I ordered their products a couple years ago I had to call my bank, because of me purchasing something in a foreign currency (I have US dollars and the product was being sold in Euros), and it had to be shipped from Europe. Exalted Funeral distributing in the USA makes it cheaper and less of a hassle for US customers to get the product. Anywho, Necrotic Gnome has info about them partnering with Exalted Funeral on their website.

Yeah, but now they are more than a distributor and a co-publisher that will be distributing OSE exclusively worldwide. Their logo is on the back of the new OSE books as well. As popular as OSE is, I'm just surprised they needed to bring on a co-publisher. But, maybe it was too good of a deal to pass up.

So it points back to money being involved...

Ummmm, yeah, they are businesses. Money is involved. Better for customers and the companies: more printing services, easy distribution in the USA and elsewhere. No grand conspiracies. Or are there?     

I like money.

If you didn't, I was going to ask you for yours. :-p

Quote from: Bob Smob on October 05, 2021, 03:27:33 AM
OSE uses singular their and they. Maybe that is what he meant by "sjw format." I don't buy that makes it an "sjw format," and being so uptight about it strikes me as being a grammar notsee.

The term "Grammer Nazi" typically refers to people who are uptight about grammar in casual conversation. Most people have a perfectly reasonable expectation that games and other printed works they pay hard-earned money for will use proper grammar.

If you think that expectation is unreasonable, you might be an SJW.

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Quote from: Bob Smob on October 05, 2021, 03:27:33 AM
OSE uses singular their and they. Maybe that is what he meant by "sjw format." I don't buy that makes it an "sjw format," and being so uptight about it strikes me as being a grammar notsee.

The term "Grammer Nazi" typically refers to people who are uptight about grammar in casual conversation. Most people have a perfectly reasonable expectation that games and other printed works they pay hard-earned money for will use proper grammar.

If you think that expectation is unreasonable, you might be an SJW.

... or you're married to a fiction editor.


Sweet Galactus, you have no idea...

Quote from: tenbones on October 06, 2021, 10:03:16 AM


... or you're married to a fiction editor.


Sweet Galactus, you have no idea...

Or like fighting fire with fire. Had a job that required filling out way too much hardcopy paperwork that was touched by others first. I took to carrying around both a normal colored pen (for my contributions) and a red one (to correct other's glaring errors).

Hi, recently was looking for other places to start recruiting for some of my P2P online games, when a player in another game mentioned startplaying.games. After signing up and attempting to get started, and dealing with a complete nightmare from them, I was searching for other people commenting on their insanity, but couldnt find anything. However this forum came up in a google search, so I figured I would share here so you could add them to your list.

So I run D&D 5e on Roll20 (yes two woke companies, but since its my business, I dont have a choice, and its easy to ignore their wokeness). Recruitment has been slow, and as mentioned, a player sent me to a company/website called startplaying.games. They are a recruitment site for all P2P online ttrpgs, but do not host the game or the voice/video themselves. I quickly found out they charge 10% of all your gross proceeds for every game run through them and require you to use them as your payment method over something like paypal. Already a red flag, but again, recruitment has been slow for me. First, upon signing up, by email they tell me I have to participate in a voice chat with one of their employees as a bit of an orientation. So now they want me to pay them that 10% to eat up my damn time. I ignore it, and proceed with setting up a game template as they call it. All the information for the game you wish to advertise, that they then manually review before allowing you to post. I set it up for Dungeon of the Mad Mage, a 5e adventure module, doing so by mostly copy and pasting the info into the various fields. I mention that I will be using the purchased Roll20 module that includes all the licensed maps for the adventure. I clearly state in their safety/consent field (already a red flag) that while personal attacks, pvp or player conflict is not tolerated, it will be a game for adults and will contain mature language.

The first email I receive back, about 2 days later, states only that "All game templates require GM to list safety tools they will be using, they also require content warnings.".  Now safety tools are these wonderful gems https://i.4pcdn.org/tg/1583202183294.pdf extremely sjw based systems that I believe will encourage selfish and disruptive behavior. However, nothing about the email says I must use them, only that I list what ones I would use. I place in content warnings that state basically "If you are able to be triggered in any way, or require trigger warnings, this is not the game for you. The only offlimits areas are graphic sexual content or sexual violence, in addition to personal attacks on other players." I then state "We will not be using any safety tools". I figured this should satisfy their concerns.

The second email I receive back, after another two days states "Hello! I'm reviewing your game before approving it, and I just need you to add a little more information before we can make the game public. As of October 1st, Safety tools are mandatory on all templates, so please make sure you get that added to your template before resubmitting. Unfortunately we are not approving any new games that are using licensed art, including the art from any Dungeons and Dragons products, so you will need to update that before we can approve it. Once you have made these updates, please resubmit your game for approval!". I am taken aback. Now apparently, these niche, extremely radical and ultimately disruptive "safety tools" are mandatory? And now, I can't advertise for games using licensed products on the platform I am using? What the hell are they charging me their insane 10% fee for? To enforce their ideology?

Sorry for the wall of text, but it really seemed this absurd company should be added to your list. Its so much more egregious than companies like WOTC or Roll20 having obnoxious views that dont directly effect you, this company wants to charge you for the privilege of enforcing their ideology on you and providing nothing else as a service. Thanks.

Quote from: Zalman on October 06, 2021, 09:47:25 AM

Quote from: Bob Smob on October 05, 2021, 03:27:33 AM
OSE uses singular their and they. Maybe that is what he meant by "sjw format." I don't buy that makes it an "sjw format," and being so uptight about it strikes me as being a grammar notsee.

The term "Grammer Nazi" typically refers to people who are uptight about grammar in casual conversation. Most people have a perfectly reasonable expectation that games and other printed works they pay hard-earned money for will use proper grammar.

If you think that expectation is unreasonable, you might be an SJW.

I actually prefer to not use their/they as a singular, I was taught that was proper grammar not to. However, Necrotic Gnome isn't even in the USA and the author might be using a style manual that suggest using "they" in singular in cases of unspecified gender. So freaking what either way? OSE is generally well-written and easy to understand, and I wouldn't even have noticed the singular "their" thing if Max of Legion of Myth didn't make a federal freaking issue about it in several of his videos. He is a good guy I think (calling him a grammar notsee was meant as a gentle tease),  I actually recommend watching Max's Legion of Myth videos. However, having pet peeves a mile long aren't really impressing me. I'm not going to decide to buy something or not based on something so God-damn petty as whether an author uses "they" or "he or she" or avoids singular pronouns altogether. I just don't have a stick up my ass.

I would appreciate it if you wouldn't suggest I was an SJW. Everyone an SJW disagrees with is a "Nazi" and you are just doing the same thing in reverse.  And let's drop this issue of singular pronoun use. I don't think this is a deciding factor in our green, yellow, red list topic. Maybe for grammar notsees, but if I hear anything more from those guys I am going to do a John Wick and start punching them  .