[List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies

DM_Curt · October 03, 2021, 02:04:57 PM

Nah. No free advertising for nobodies by putting them on the list.

RPGPundit · October 03, 2021, 02:39:53 PM

Quote from: Ocule on October 01, 2021, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 01, 2021, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: shroomster on October 01, 2021, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 01, 2021, 12:44:28 PM
Quote from: shroomster on October 01, 2021, 08:38:37 AM
From watching the vid and looking at the screenshot it seems like it was a mod from the Exalted Funeral discord operating through a bot.

I mean Necrotic Gnome does distribute through EF now, so giving OSE/NG money does give a cut to EF.
Not advocating for NG's movement on the list, but for me personally this coupled with my already uneasy feeling of paying through the roof for a collectable BX clone leaves me wanting to spend my money elsewhere.

Not just a bot, that Discord is now full of EF not liking "Venger and his ilk". Posting anything about it gets it deleted and a message from the EF Admin.

Oof, yeah this seems worse than originally thought..
On Necrotic Gnome website there is post about EF UK/EU stores opening up where it says that EF is the co-publisher of Old-School Essentials. Also that they manage the stock and sales of all Necrotic Gnome products outside of Europe and will be fully merging all Necrotic Gnome stock into Exalted Funeral's warehouses once UK/EU stores open up. (this was back in July)

Also the GM screen and most Advance Fantasy products have EF logos on them

Has anyone contacted them directly to see if they even know what EF has done?

I sent em a message through their website earlier today. Especially if it's just a rogue mod or something.

Also i'll repost the list here again soon for the most part the project is ready to go imo, i think the occassional update now based on new events or new additions occasionally but i think we got most of the major players up on there.

If EF and Necrotic Gnome are two different companies, you may want to contact both. There's no guarantee EF even told Necrotic what happened, and they might have no idea they're about to have a mass boycott campaign on their hands.

RPGPundit · October 03, 2021, 02:42:07 PM

Quote from: Gagarth on October 03, 2021, 08:43:46 AM
Old Gods and Young Guns by Games by The Dice. For a really good laugh have a look at the Drivethru preview.
QuoteThe Olivia Hill Rule
If you're a fascist, you're not welcome to play this game. It's against the rules. If you're reading this and thinking, "You just call everyone you disagree with a fascist," then you're probably a fascist, or incapable of drawing inferences from context and acknowledging a dangerous political climate that causes the oppressed to be hyperbolic. Don't play this game. Heal yourself. Grow. Learn. Watch some Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood or something.

QuoteEngaging with the western genre means engaging with this and engaging with the genre's relationship with settler colonialism. Settler colonialism enacts and perpetuates generations of injustice and cruelty. The setting of the game is a science fantasy setting that does not have a relationship to the history of Earth. We did not create sci-fi/fantasy analogues of Indigenous people and cultures as that is not something we felt comfortable or even qualified to do, as a white designer. This does mean however we've written a western setting without Indigenous peoples. That gives us pause. It is worth thinking about how this can affect your experience of play and how best to be kind and patient with each other.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/372593/Old-Gods-and-Young-Guns?src=sub

Idiotic, but who cares? This is a literal nobody, who's sold almost nothing, based on the link. I certainly never heard of this product until now. Why would we give this person attention they would no doubt desperately crave?

Chris24601 · October 03, 2021, 02:46:47 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 03, 2021, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on October 03, 2021, 08:43:46 AM
Old Gods and Young Guns by Games by The Dice. For a really good laugh have a look at the Drivethru preview.
QuoteThe Olivia Hill Rule
If you're a fascist, you're not welcome to play this game. It's against the rules. If you're reading this and thinking, "You just call everyone you disagree with a fascist," then you're probably a fascist, or incapable of drawing inferences from context and acknowledging a dangerous political climate that causes the oppressed to be hyperbolic. Don't play this game. Heal yourself. Grow. Learn. Watch some Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood or something.

QuoteEngaging with the western genre means engaging with this and engaging with the genre's relationship with settler colonialism. Settler colonialism enacts and perpetuates generations of injustice and cruelty. The setting of the game is a science fantasy setting that does not have a relationship to the history of Earth. We did not create sci-fi/fantasy analogues of Indigenous people and cultures as that is not something we felt comfortable or even qualified to do, as a white designer. This does mean however we've written a western setting without Indigenous peoples. That gives us pause. It is worth thinking about how this can affect your experience of play and how best to be kind and patient with each other.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/372593/Old-Gods-and-Young-Guns?src=sub
Alrighty then. I will be happy to both:

(a) not buy their game
(b) recommend others not buy their game

The virtue signaling was so over the top I couldn't initially tell if it was an attempt to troll/mock the SJWs or if they were actually serious.

You can't even satire the SJW's anymore... there is no insane position too extreme for them to not look at it and say "hold my decaf soy milk latte."

Vampire Rabbit · October 03, 2021, 03:27:25 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on October 03, 2021, 02:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 03, 2021, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on October 03, 2021, 08:43:46 AM
Old Gods and Young Guns by Games by The Dice. For a really good laugh have a look at the Drivethru preview.
QuoteThe Olivia Hill Rule
If you're a fascist, you're not welcome to play this game. It's against the rules. If you're reading this and thinking, "You just call everyone you disagree with a fascist," then you're probably a fascist, or incapable of drawing inferences from context and acknowledging a dangerous political climate that causes the oppressed to be hyperbolic. Don't play this game. Heal yourself. Grow. Learn. Watch some Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood or something.

QuoteEngaging with the western genre means engaging with this and engaging with the genre's relationship with settler colonialism. Settler colonialism enacts and perpetuates generations of injustice and cruelty. The setting of the game is a science fantasy setting that does not have a relationship to the history of Earth. We did not create sci-fi/fantasy analogues of Indigenous people and cultures as that is not something we felt comfortable or even qualified to do, as a white designer. This does mean however we've written a western setting without Indigenous peoples. That gives us pause. It is worth thinking about how this can affect your experience of play and how best to be kind and patient with each other.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/372593/Old-Gods-and-Young-Guns?src=sub
Alrighty then. I will be happy to both:

(a) not buy their game
(b) recommend others not buy their game
The virtue signaling was so over the top I couldn't initially tell if it was an attempt to troll/mock the SJWs or if they were actually serious.

You can't even satire the SJW's anymore... there is no insane position too extreme for them to not look at it and say "hold my decaf soy milk latte."

The funny thing is that in the end, they cancelled the indigenous people and made a white-only RPG. LOL!

HappyDaze · October 03, 2021, 03:29:35 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 03, 2021, 03:27:25 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on October 03, 2021, 02:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 03, 2021, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on October 03, 2021, 08:43:46 AM
Old Gods and Young Guns by Games by The Dice. For a really good laugh have a look at the Drivethru preview.
QuoteThe Olivia Hill Rule
If you're a fascist, you're not welcome to play this game. It's against the rules. If you're reading this and thinking, "You just call everyone you disagree with a fascist," then you're probably a fascist, or incapable of drawing inferences from context and acknowledging a dangerous political climate that causes the oppressed to be hyperbolic. Don't play this game. Heal yourself. Grow. Learn. Watch some Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood or something.

QuoteEngaging with the western genre means engaging with this and engaging with the genre's relationship with settler colonialism. Settler colonialism enacts and perpetuates generations of injustice and cruelty. The setting of the game is a science fantasy setting that does not have a relationship to the history of Earth. We did not create sci-fi/fantasy analogues of Indigenous people and cultures as that is not something we felt comfortable or even qualified to do, as a white designer. This does mean however we've written a western setting without Indigenous peoples. That gives us pause. It is worth thinking about how this can affect your experience of play and how best to be kind and patient with each other.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/372593/Old-Gods-and-Young-Guns?src=sub
Alrighty then. I will be happy to both:

(a) not buy their game
(b) recommend others not buy their game
The virtue signaling was so over the top I couldn't initially tell if it was an attempt to troll/mock the SJWs or if they were actually serious.

You can't even satire the SJW's anymore... there is no insane position too extreme for them to not look at it and say "hold my decaf soy milk latte."

The funny thing is that in the end, they cancelled the indigenous people and made a white-only RPG. LOL!

That is pretty funny. I wonder how they'd handle a NA player that wanted to play someone representative of themselves in the setting?

Cypher7 · October 03, 2021, 08:28:26 PM

Quote from: moonsweeper on September 19, 2021, 07:10:23 PM
Quote from: Cypher7 on September 19, 2021, 05:16:34 PM
How about they just write games.....Damn I know it's a novel idea buuuuuuuuutttttt you may garner a larger market share.

RPG authors sticking to writing game material...what kind of crazy talk is that?

welcome to the site.

Thanks!

Thornhammer · October 03, 2021, 10:01:20 PM

Quote from: thedarkeye on October 03, 2021, 05:25:41 AM
it seems the store skews left to me.

Yes, that is a correct assessment.

That said, they do help publish some very good OSR material and stock some oddball shit that can be difficult (but not impossible by any means) to obtain from other sources.

DM_Curt · October 03, 2021, 10:38:58 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 03, 2021, 03:27:25 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on October 03, 2021, 02:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 03, 2021, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on October 03, 2021, 08:43:46 AM
Old Gods and Young Guns by Games by The Dice. For a really good laugh have a look at the Drivethru preview.
QuoteThe Olivia Hill Rule
If you're a fascist, you're not welcome to play this game. It's against the rules. If you're reading this and thinking, "You just call everyone you disagree with a fascist," then you're probably a fascist, or incapable of drawing inferences from context and acknowledging a dangerous political climate that causes the oppressed to be hyperbolic. Don't play this game. Heal yourself. Grow. Learn. Watch some Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood or something.

QuoteEngaging with the western genre means engaging with this and engaging with the genre's relationship with settler colonialism. Settler colonialism enacts and perpetuates generations of injustice and cruelty. The setting of the game is a science fantasy setting that does not have a relationship to the history of Earth. We did not create sci-fi/fantasy analogues of Indigenous people and cultures as that is not something we felt comfortable or even qualified to do, as a white designer. This does mean however we've written a western setting without Indigenous peoples. That gives us pause. It is worth thinking about how this can affect your experience of play and how best to be kind and patient with each other.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/372593/Old-Gods-and-Young-Guns?src=sub
Alrighty then. I will be happy to both:

(a) not buy their game
(b) recommend others not buy their game
The virtue signaling was so over the top I couldn't initially tell if it was an attempt to troll/mock the SJWs or if they were actually serious.

You can't even satire the SJW's anymore... there is no insane position too extreme for them to not look at it and say "hold my decaf soy milk latte."

The funny thing is that in the end, they cancelled the indigenous people and made a white-only RPG. LOL!

Like the Land O' Lakes butter, where they kept the land and got rid of the Native?

Ocule · October 04, 2021, 12:27:37 PM

So about the necrotic gnome and exalted funeral debacle. I messaged necrotic gnome through their website and they emailed me back this is what they said

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Necrotic Gnome and Exalted Funeral certainly don't condone casually branding people Nazis. The server where this happened is operated by fans of Exalted Funeral, so I'm afraid Necrotic Gnome have no influence on their moderation policies or moderators. Exalted Funeral are discussing the incident with the moderators there.

Hope that helps!

Redacted the first and last lines to protect irl names.

Vampire Rabbit · October 04, 2021, 12:57:02 PM

Quote from: Ocule on October 04, 2021, 12:27:37 PM
So about the necrotic gnome and exalted funeral debacle. I messaged necrotic gnome through their website and they emailed me back this is what they said

Quote
Necrotic Gnome and Exalted Funeral certainly don't condone casually branding people Nazis. The server where this happened is operated by fans of Exalted Funeral, so I'm afraid Necrotic Gnome have no influence on their moderation policies or moderators. Exalted Funeral are discussing the incident with the moderators there.

Hope that helps!

Redacted the first and last lines to protect irl names.

Interesting, since the last email I got from them says just the opposite, that the Discord Server is their official server to learn things from them first:

"To stay informed please visit www.exaltedfuneral.com and sign up for our newsletter for updates, new products, and sometimes even memes.

visit us at your favorite social media with @exaltedfuneral on any of them.

If you love talking about RPGs and want to get new product release info real time join our DISCORD HERE"

rytrasmi · October 04, 2021, 01:50:25 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 03, 2021, 03:27:25 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on October 03, 2021, 02:46:47 PM
The virtue signaling was so over the top I couldn't initially tell if it was an attempt to troll/mock the SJWs or if they were actually serious.

You can't even satire the SJW's anymore... there is no insane position too extreme for them to not look at it and say "hold my decaf soy milk latte."

The funny thing is that in the end, they cancelled the indigenous people and made a white-only RPG. LOL!

What the actual hell? Colonialism is essential to the Western genre.

King Tyranno · October 04, 2021, 05:26:12 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 01, 2021, 12:44:28 PM
Quote from: shroomster on October 01, 2021, 08:38:37 AM
From watching the vid and looking at the screenshot it seems like it was a mod from the Exalted Funeral discord operating through a bot.

I mean Necrotic Gnome does distribute through EF now, so giving OSE/NG money does give a cut to EF.
Not advocating for NG's movement on the list, but for me personally this coupled with my already uneasy feeling of paying through the roof for a collectable BX clone leaves me wanting to spend my money elsewhere.

Not just a bot, that Discord is now full of EF not liking "Venger and his ilk". Posting anything about it gets it deleted and a message from the EF Admin.

Gotta admit I'm a bit concerned. As someone in the UK I would love to buy a physical copy of OSE's Advanced Rules tome but I do feel that at $40 it's overpriced for a retroclone with extra shit bolted on. One of the things I love about the OSR is the books are often quite cheap compared to others. I don't mind paying £10-£20 for a good retroclone laid out and presented well. But I don't want to give money to wankers. It's a simple deal from me to any business.

RPGPundit · October 04, 2021, 05:52:03 PM

Until Venger gets an apology and everyone they banned is reinstated, don't buy OSE. Buy Swords & Wizardry or Labyrinth Lord if you need to buy a clone instead.

And if not, buy RPGPundit products to support free speech!

(yes, I could have said buy Venger's stuff as he's the aggrieved party, but let's not go crazy here!)

Jason Coplen · October 04, 2021, 06:11:21 PM

I'd have never bought any OSE if I knew they were this fucked up. At least EF is total garbage, which is sad. We need fewer red listed stuff, not more.

And, yeah, Fuck Venger!