Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on October 01, 2021, 11:21:09 AM
Good vid from Aaron on the Venger thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6EV7w5SVB8

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 01, 2021, 12:44:28 PM

Quote from: shroomster on October 01, 2021, 08:38:37 AM
From watching the vid and looking at the screenshot it seems like it was a mod from the Exalted Funeral discord operating through a bot.

I mean Necrotic Gnome does distribute through EF now, so giving OSE/NG money does give a cut to EF.
Not advocating for NG's movement on the list, but for me personally this coupled with my already uneasy feeling of paying through the roof for a collectable BX clone leaves me wanting to spend my money elsewhere.

Not just a bot, that Discord is now full of EF not liking "Venger and his ilk". Posting anything about it gets it deleted and a message from the EF Admin.

Quote from: shroomster on October 01, 2021, 01:09:46 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 01, 2021, 12:44:28 PM

Quote from: shroomster on October 01, 2021, 08:38:37 AM
From watching the vid and looking at the screenshot it seems like it was a mod from the Exalted Funeral discord operating through a bot.

I mean Necrotic Gnome does distribute through EF now, so giving OSE/NG money does give a cut to EF.
Not advocating for NG's movement on the list, but for me personally this coupled with my already uneasy feeling of paying through the roof for a collectable BX clone leaves me wanting to spend my money elsewhere.

Not just a bot, that Discord is now full of EF not liking "Venger and his ilk". Posting anything about it gets it deleted and a message from the EF Admin.

Oof, yeah this seems worse than originally thought..
On Necrotic Gnome website there is post about EF UK/EU stores opening up where it says that EF is the co-publisher of Old-School Essentials. Also that they manage the stock and sales of all Necrotic Gnome products outside of Europe and will be fully merging all Necrotic Gnome stock into Exalted Funeral's warehouses once UK/EU stores open up. (this was back in July)

Also the GM screen and most Advance Fantasy products have EF logos on them

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 01, 2021, 01:19:59 PM

Quote from: shroomster on October 01, 2021, 01:09:46 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 01, 2021, 12:44:28 PM

Quote from: shroomster on October 01, 2021, 08:38:37 AM
From watching the vid and looking at the screenshot it seems like it was a mod from the Exalted Funeral discord operating through a bot.

I mean Necrotic Gnome does distribute through EF now, so giving OSE/NG money does give a cut to EF.
Not advocating for NG's movement on the list, but for me personally this coupled with my already uneasy feeling of paying through the roof for a collectable BX clone leaves me wanting to spend my money elsewhere.

Not just a bot, that Discord is now full of EF not liking "Venger and his ilk". Posting anything about it gets it deleted and a message from the EF Admin.

Oof, yeah this seems worse than originally thought..
On Necrotic Gnome website there is post about EF UK/EU stores opening up where it says that EF is the co-publisher of Old-School Essentials. Also that they manage the stock and sales of all Necrotic Gnome products outside of Europe and will be fully merging all Necrotic Gnome stock into Exalted Funeral's warehouses once UK/EU stores open up. (this was back in July)

Also the GM screen and most Advance Fantasy products have EF logos on them

Oh yeah, it is becoming very evident that EF does indeed equal OSE now after all, being co-publisher and putting their brand logos on their items too. :-o

Quote from: Ocule on October 01, 2021, 08:46:39 AM

Quote from: shroomster on October 01, 2021, 08:38:37 AM
From watching the vid and looking at the screenshot it seems like it was a mod from the Exalted Funeral discord operating through a bot.

I mean Necrotic Gnome does distribute through EF now, so giving OSE/NG money does give a cut to EF.
Not advocating for NG's movement on the list, but for me personally this coupled with my already uneasy feeling of paying through the roof for a collectable BX clone leaves me wanting to spend my money elsewhere.   

I'll take a look, though it might be worth a note in the entry at the least.

I still don't like that i'm hosting the document on google

Quote from: shroomster on October 01, 2021, 01:09:46 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 01, 2021, 12:44:28 PM

Quote from: shroomster on October 01, 2021, 08:38:37 AM
From watching the vid and looking at the screenshot it seems like it was a mod from the Exalted Funeral discord operating through a bot.

I mean Necrotic Gnome does distribute through EF now, so giving OSE/NG money does give a cut to EF.
Not advocating for NG's movement on the list, but for me personally this coupled with my already uneasy feeling of paying through the roof for a collectable BX clone leaves me wanting to spend my money elsewhere.

Not just a bot, that Discord is now full of EF not liking "Venger and his ilk". Posting anything about it gets it deleted and a message from the EF Admin.

Oof, yeah this seems worse than originally thought..
On Necrotic Gnome website there is post about EF UK/EU stores opening up where it says that EF is the co-publisher of Old-School Essentials. Also that they manage the stock and sales of all Necrotic Gnome products outside of Europe and will be fully merging all Necrotic Gnome stock into Exalted Funeral's warehouses once UK/EU stores open up. (this was back in July)

Also the GM screen and most Advance Fantasy products have EF logos on them

Quote from: RPGPundit on October 01, 2021, 02:22:32 PM

Quote from: shroomster on October 01, 2021, 01:09:46 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 01, 2021, 12:44:28 PM

Quote from: shroomster on October 01, 2021, 08:38:37 AM
From watching the vid and looking at the screenshot it seems like it was a mod from the Exalted Funeral discord operating through a bot.

I mean Necrotic Gnome does distribute through EF now, so giving OSE/NG money does give a cut to EF.
Not advocating for NG's movement on the list, but for me personally this coupled with my already uneasy feeling of paying through the roof for a collectable BX clone leaves me wanting to spend my money elsewhere.

Not just a bot, that Discord is now full of EF not liking "Venger and his ilk". Posting anything about it gets it deleted and a message from the EF Admin.

Oof, yeah this seems worse than originally thought..
On Necrotic Gnome website there is post about EF UK/EU stores opening up where it says that EF is the co-publisher of Old-School Essentials. Also that they manage the stock and sales of all Necrotic Gnome products outside of Europe and will be fully merging all Necrotic Gnome stock into Exalted Funeral's warehouses once UK/EU stores open up. (this was back in July)

Also the GM screen and most Advance Fantasy products have EF logos on them

Has anyone contacted them directly to see if they even know what EF has done?

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 01, 2021, 12:57:43 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on October 01, 2021, 11:21:09 AM
Good vid from Aaron on the Venger thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6EV7w5SVB8

That was good. Thank you for sharing it here. EF is Necrotic Gnome's official store for OSE, on the Necrotic Gnome/OSE site if you click on "Buy Print" you go to the EF site without any warning that it is not their own site.

Quote from: wmarshal on September 29, 2021, 08:43:45 AM
It doesn't read to me that having "certain backgrounds or gender" is required in the game to be a rat bastard and member of a murderous secret police. It's saying that an organization of murderous rat bastards has no problem including all sorts of folks.

QuoteThe Olivia Hill Rule
If you're a fascist, you're not welcome to play this game. It's against the rules. If you're reading this and thinking, "You just call everyone you disagree with a fascist," then you're probably a fascist, or incapable of drawing inferences from context and acknowledging a dangerous political climate that causes the oppressed to be hyperbolic. Don't play this game. Heal yourself. Grow. Learn. Watch some Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood or something.

QuoteEngaging with the western genre means engaging with this and engaging with the genre's relationship with settler colonialism. Settler colonialism enacts and perpetuates generations of injustice and cruelty. The setting of the game is a science fantasy setting that does not have a relationship to the history of Earth. We did not create sci-fi/fantasy analogues of Indigenous people and cultures as that is not something we felt comfortable or even qualified to do, as a white designer. This does mean however we've written a western setting without Indigenous peoples. That gives us pause. It is worth thinking about how this can affect your experience of play and how best to be kind and patient with each other.

Quote from: Gagarth on October 03, 2021, 08:43:46 AM
Old Gods and Young Guns by Games by The Dice.  For a really good laugh have a look at the Drivethru preview.

QuoteThe Olivia Hill Rule
If you're a fascist, you're not welcome to play this game. It's against the rules. If you're reading this and thinking, "You just call everyone you disagree with a fascist," then you're probably a fascist, or incapable of drawing inferences from context and acknowledging a dangerous political climate that causes the oppressed to be hyperbolic. Don't play this game. Heal yourself. Grow. Learn. Watch some Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood or something.

QuoteEngaging with the western genre means engaging with this and engaging with the genre's relationship with settler colonialism. Settler colonialism enacts and perpetuates generations of injustice and cruelty. The setting of the game is a science fantasy setting that does not have a relationship to the history of Earth. We did not create sci-fi/fantasy analogues of Indigenous people and cultures as that is not something we felt comfortable or even qualified to do, as a white designer. This does mean however we've written a western setting without Indigenous peoples. That gives us pause. It is worth thinking about how this can affect your experience of play and how best to be kind and patient with each other.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/372593/Old-Gods-and-Young-Guns?src=sub

Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 03, 2021, 12:52:11 PM

Quote from: Gagarth on October 03, 2021, 08:43:46 AM
Old Gods and Young Guns by Games by The Dice.  For a really good laugh have a look at the Drivethru preview.

QuoteThe Olivia Hill Rule
If you're a fascist, you're not welcome to play this game. It's against the rules. If you're reading this and thinking, "You just call everyone you disagree with a fascist," then you're probably a fascist, or incapable of drawing inferences from context and acknowledging a dangerous political climate that causes the oppressed to be hyperbolic. Don't play this game. Heal yourself. Grow. Learn. Watch some Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood or something.

QuoteEngaging with the western genre means engaging with this and engaging with the genre's relationship with settler colonialism. Settler colonialism enacts and perpetuates generations of injustice and cruelty. The setting of the game is a science fantasy setting that does not have a relationship to the history of Earth. We did not create sci-fi/fantasy analogues of Indigenous people and cultures as that is not something we felt comfortable or even qualified to do, as a white designer. This does mean however we've written a western setting without Indigenous peoples. That gives us pause. It is worth thinking about how this can affect your experience of play and how best to be kind and patient with each other.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/372593/Old-Gods-and-Young-Guns?src=sub

Alrighty then. I will be happy to both:

(a) not buy their game
(b) recommend others not buy their game