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Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
« Reply #1605 on: September 17, 2021, 03:49:18 PM »
  Well I can guarantee one thing, on RPGnet you would have been banned about 20 posts ago.

I nearly got banned from the SJG forum. It was a rules question, I made a point about the language in one of the books being unclear.

Some folks came to the defense of their system and took high offense to me criticizing it at all.

Someone mentions a ban I back off, even if it takes gritting the teeth.

Yeah. That place is the most hidebound and tunnel-visioned community I have ever visited. A core group of rules lawyers and high priests that really sap the fun out of it. At least is was about five years ago, maybe it has changed. I left and never posted again.


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« Reply #1606 on: September 17, 2021, 03:54:05 PM »
  Well I can guarantee one thing, on RPGnet you would have been banned about 20 posts ago.

I nearly got banned from the SJG forum. It was a rules question, I made a point about the language in one of the books being unclear.

Some folks came to the defense of their system and took high offense to me criticizing it at all.

Someone mentions a ban I back off, even if it takes gritting the teeth.

Yeah. That place is the most hidebound and tunnel-visioned community I have ever visited. A core group of rules lawyers and high priests that really sap the fun out of it. At least is was about five years ago, maybe it has changed. I left and never posted again.

   Most of the posters do not strike me as people I could sit around the grill drinking a beer with and enjoy my time.   

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« Reply #1607 on: September 17, 2021, 04:01:37 PM »
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2724788/tgg-negative-experiences-and-controversies

Should we add the gaming goat to our green list, this guy looks pretty based lol. Not sure if hes just a vender or if he makes stuff.

Also I've gotten a few inquiries about the inclusion of new TSR/Wonderfilled/TSR3 i'm still hazy on what their official company name is though i think they are still using TSR.

Justin La Nasa messaged me a while back when I first started with a statement on free speech and wanted to be included on the green list. I acquiesced but i've been messaged a few times now about the inclusion of New TSR and wanted to hear some feedback on it. On one hand, they really do seem to be good with free speech and have made their views clear of being inclusive of diversity of thought and separating from alot of the politics we see today. Yeah La Nasa ran for office in his state but I really haven't seen any bleed over other than he's a politician. 

As far as content goes they appear to currently be producing Tales and Tots authored by Justin La Nasa and have plans to create more. So thats what seems in favor of their listing and why I included them with green


Now if I correctly understood the argument against their inclusion seems to be that they are using the TSR name for what some people believe to be a cash grab based on nostalgia and someone said something about unfulfilled kickstarters.

Am I missing anything? Because so far it seems like they're a good fit for green because it seems like the backlash was a bit out of proportion but they don't seem to have actually done anything wrong except make a lot of noise without much on the table before hand. Would have done wonders if they had an rpg out or something when they made their announcement other than Tales and Tots which geared towards young children, so it's pretty niche.


On an unrelated note, how involved is Zak S with Lamentations of the Flame Princess and is he even still relevant in the market today?

Gaming Goat is more a retail chain, although they do publish some board games. Sadly though, Gaming Goat caved to the twitter mob and went on a giant apology tour on their main pages and all of their local store pages saying sorry for daring to put artwork of an actual, real frog, in their fishing game  ::)
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« Reply #1608 on: September 17, 2021, 05:02:32 PM »
Can I suggest, given the recent move by the Paizo management to fight back against the cancel culture, to move Paizo to yellow.

Being against cancel culture when it's your nuts on the chopping block requires zero principles and very little of said nuts. I say nay.

Also, in response to Jessica Price's latest accusations they just doubled-down on their woke credentials.
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« Reply #1609 on: September 17, 2021, 05:10:16 PM »
Can I suggest, given the recent move by the Paizo management to fight back against the cancel culture, to move Paizo to yellow.

What is this in reference to?

There is a separate thread: https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/jessica-price-goes-ballistic-on-paizo/

But there is NO pushback happening. Paizo instead made a big statement about how they have been pro LGBT and BLM and hired people for their diversity, etc etc.

they doubled down on claiming how woke they are.
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« Reply #1610 on: September 17, 2021, 05:18:21 PM »
As far as I know, Zak Smith is no longer involved with LotFP at all. And while he obviously produced some fairly big OSR products in the past, he hasn't been able to do anything especially important in the last few years.

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« Reply #1611 on: September 17, 2021, 05:54:48 PM »
I believe that Zak was being banned and depersonised about the same time as I was being banned from Enworld for the unpopular opinion that you should not retroactively un prize someones work just because their ex-partner comes out with some sob story.
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« Reply #1612 on: September 17, 2021, 06:39:52 PM »
Can I suggest, given the recent move by the Paizo management to fight back against the cancel culture, to move Paizo to yellow.

Being against cancel culture when it's your nuts on the chopping block requires zero principles and very little of said nuts. I say nay.

Also, in response to Jessica Price's latest accusations they just doubled-down on their woke credentials.

Yep, sounds like Paizo alright
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« Reply #1613 on: September 17, 2021, 07:43:14 PM »
I was just thinking, Since Ocule's unable to edit the OP anymore, and I know Pundit's edited it for him once before, should it be edited one last time so that instead of having a snapshot of whatever the list happens to be at the time the post is modified, the post instead is just changed to have a link to the list and some text about it?

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« Reply #1614 on: September 18, 2021, 01:18:09 PM »
Was wondering about a good category for Helmgast, current licence holders for Kult: Divinity Lost.
Read a long Divinity Lost crew interview and they seem like a non-political bunch, squarely focused on their games.

Kult is currently sold by Modifius in UK, but itself is licenced to Helmgast through Cabinet Group (original creators of 1991 game) who were bought by Funcom who are owned by Tencent? Hmm.. ok.
It has one short module where Trump and Hillary are both demons fighting for control of humanity via 2016 election outcome, with Pence being the ritual leader in some bloody sacrificial pact to secure Trump's win, but maybe its more about the upset of the election not tds, I can't tell. Its writer seems like an sjw, but nothing too virulent or militant from a first glance and its a minor module anyways.

Otherwise Helmgast seems pretty apolitical, aside from dealing with some yellow/red partners like Modifius and Stockholm Kartel, so probably green?

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« Reply #1615 on: September 18, 2021, 02:19:55 PM »
I had a chance to glance at Western Hero (6th Edition) in my FLGS today. This was the product on which Hero Games had used sensitivity readers, and if what I saw was any indication, we can safely move the company back into Green--the material on racism, sexism, etc. was pretty mild and common-sensical.

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« Reply #1616 on: September 18, 2021, 03:00:35 PM »
Darker Hue Studios.  Look woke as shit to me..........

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« Reply #1617 on: September 18, 2021, 03:07:51 PM »
Darker Hue Studios.  Look woke as shit to me..........

Have quite literally never heard of them
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« Reply #1618 on: September 18, 2021, 03:10:00 PM »
Was wondering about a good category for Helmgast, current licence holders for Kult: Divinity Lost.
Read a long Divinity Lost crew interview and they seem like a non-political bunch, squarely focused on their games.

Kult is currently sold by Modifius in UK, but itself is licenced to Helmgast through Cabinet Group (original creators of 1991 game) who were bought by Funcom who are owned by Tencent? Hmm.. ok.
It has one short module where Trump and Hillary are both demons fighting for control of humanity via 2016 election outcome, with Pence being the ritual leader in some bloody sacrificial pact to secure Trump's win, but maybe its more about the upset of the election not tds, I can't tell. Its writer seems like an sjw, but nothing too virulent or militant from a first glance and its a minor module anyways.

Otherwise Helmgast seems pretty apolitical, aside from dealing with some yellow/red partners like Modifius and Stockholm Kartel, so probably green?

I'd still say Yellow at least, Red depending on how hard you wanna be. It's still the injection of politics into their product and quite frankly, they didn't need to even do that or make it. At least to me
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« Reply #1619 on: September 18, 2021, 03:21:08 PM »
Darker Hue Studios.  Look woke as shit to me..........

Have quite literally never heard of them

Me either.  Ran across and add on FB.  85 bucks for a hard copy core rule book (they throw in the PDF hahahahah).  Their book better shit rainbows when I open the cover for that price.