[List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies

oggsmash · September 16, 2021, 09:14:58 AM

Quote from: Eris_Shrugged on September 16, 2021, 09:13:10 AM
So, when do you think that Pundit is going to stick with his convictions regarding free speech and campaign for prisoner's sufferage and speech rights?

You mean allow all felons to vote and own guns?

Eris_Shrugged · September 16, 2021, 09:24:22 AM

The voting and speech rights of incarcerated people is one of the biggest free speech issues in the modern world. But he is a "free speech advocate" who appears to have said nothing on the issue.

He is fond of accusing people of only caring about the speech of some people, while ignoring a systemic, state implemented suppression of speech and suffrage.

oggsmash · September 16, 2021, 09:25:29 AM

So you are fine with felons owning guns and voting? I say owning guns, because the fact is, if we are going to restore all rights, well we restore all rights.

oggsmash · September 16, 2021, 09:26:40 AM

Voting while locked up is completely stupid. So stupid it starts to make me think maybe you are just trolling.

Eris_Shrugged · September 16, 2021, 09:28:40 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on September 16, 2021, 09:25:29 AM
So you are fine with felons owning guns and voting? I say owning guns, because the fact is, if we are going to restore all rights, well we restore all rights.

I mean, I don't live in a country where there is a presumption of the right to own a firearm.

But SURE, i'll go with Marx on this one. "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."

Eris_Shrugged · September 16, 2021, 09:29:46 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on September 16, 2021, 09:26:40 AM
Voting while locked up is completely stupid. So stupid it starts to make me think maybe you are just trolling.

So you are LESS in favour of free speech and universal suffrage than I am.

Let me guess, you are in favour of intellectual property right, too.

oggsmash · September 16, 2021, 09:31:53 AM

Quote from: Eris_Shrugged on September 16, 2021, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 16, 2021, 09:25:29 AM
So you are fine with felons owning guns and voting? I say owning guns, because the fact is, if we are going to restore all rights, well we restore all rights.

I mean, I don't live in a country where there is a presumption of the right to own a firearm.

But SURE, i'll go with Marx on this one. "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."

Even a broken watch can be right a couple times a day.

Eris_Shrugged · September 16, 2021, 09:33:22 AM

"Marx was right"

- someone on The RPG Site.

oggsmash · September 16, 2021, 09:34:12 AM

Quote from: Eris_Shrugged on September 16, 2021, 09:29:46 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 16, 2021, 09:26:40 AM
Voting while locked up is completely stupid. So stupid it starts to make me think maybe you are just trolling.

So you are LESS in favour of free speech and universal suffrage than I am.

Let me guess, you are in favour of intellectual property right, too.

I have no stance on ip, my only knowledge of them is in the USA they seem to be badly abused. But sure, I am definitely less in favor of free speech if you want people in prison to vote, and you consider that to be a free speech marker. I am also against diving face first onto concrete, pretty crazy that way.

oggsmash · September 16, 2021, 09:36:14 AM

I would also say, if you live where you do not have the right to own a firearm, you really do not have any rights. You have some rules the government handed you and you get to play by, and that they can change at a whim.

oggsmash · September 16, 2021, 09:38:13 AM

Anyway, back to the list, are there some items you feel need amending on the list? A few you would like to add or subtract?

Eris_Shrugged · September 16, 2021, 09:45:40 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on September 16, 2021, 09:36:14 AM
I would also say, if you live where you do not have the right to own a firearm, you really do not have any rights. You have some rules the government handed you and you get to play by, and that they can change at a whim.

So cute that you think that guns change that.

Eris_Shrugged · September 16, 2021, 09:54:24 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on September 16, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
Anyway, back to the list, are there some items you feel need amending on the list? A few you would like to add or subtract?

I mean, one of those things is not like the others.

Varg being in RED is laughable. He is diametrically opposed to EVERY other publisher or creator in that section.

Politically he aligns vastly more strongly with people like pundit and grim. So when we see him on the list, we laugh at you harder AND say yeah, they messed up where they put him.

You would actually be better off not having him on the list, because it does a better job of distancing him from you.

But please ignore this advice, cause the lulz provided by you including him are fucking perfection.

Ghostmaker · September 16, 2021, 10:10:19 AM

Eris, you are stupid, and attempting to distract with your argument about felons' rights and restorations. You wanna cook that hash, take it to the political forum.

As far as Varg goes, the point both Ocule and Pundit have made is that Varg is just as much of a lowlife as the rest of the Redlisters. The fact that his politics and views are diametrically opposed to the other redlisters has nothing to do with it; their argument is that you shouldn't give money to people who hate you.

hoshisabi · September 16, 2021, 10:30:11 AM

Quote from: Eris_Shrugged on September 16, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
Varg being in RED is laughable. He is diametrically opposed to EVERY other publisher or creator in that section.

You might be having fun now, but it wears thin. They do, in fact, oppose ideas that they once supported, if you suggest them. (and this isn't targeted at "everyone" but at certain people, others have accepted what I said at face value and made fair replies. Thank you Ocule, for example.)

I mean, I was accused of "Alinsky tactics" which -- I have yet to figure out what was meant by that, and when I try and figure out which ones, it fits perfectly with statements made by people OTHER than me in this forum.

Apart from, "make your enemy play by their own rules" -- which is ... once again, a recurring theme by EVERYONE in this conversation. The idea IS to make a list of things, with the idea that "the left makes lists, so we made a list."

So, eventually you realize that it's ... common for many of them to accept mutually contradictory things, and inevitably you realize that you are here by the whim of folks that both make the labels that they draw conclusions from, but also feel free to ignore any challenges to the same.

Red is red because they say it is red and no more and no less, and not a million words will move something if the writer doesn't have the proper credentials.

And the irony of someone quoting Orwell in defense of thoughtcrimes just leads me to believe we have a whole forum convinced that Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

EDIT: I've edited with strike-through because, I don't feel that this is a "everyone" thing, and honestly, I should just leave without a word, but anyone in the midst of replying... Have your fun.