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« Reply #1470 on: September 16, 2021, 07:33:42 AM »
Defending Free Speech, or loving your country, or believing in democracy, or wanting rule of law to be respected are not "political" views. They are the norms of our civilization.  The left tries to pretend they are contentious views so that they don't look like the absolute freaks they are when they loudly declare their support for banning (or nowadays even burning) books and blocking (or

I'm going to trim your quote because, yes the gist of it is in the first two lines.

You define terms and then judge people by your own definitions, and I think that's a weakness that many folks use to explain away complexity, and it's a form of ideological purity test. (The old "No True Scottsman" fallacy, if something doesn't fit your label, it's obvious that they were lying or somehow it's not the labels fault, but the specific incident.)

That sort of thing leads to "RINO" and "DINO" labels, and causes fractures in the group. You control this location, so obviously your opinion on things has a bit more weight.

But, it's that sort of attitude that made me leave the GOP, despite being a proud member for most of my adult, and all of my childhood.

My friend wanted to get married to his partner, but they were gay. A small government, that my parents and other republicans claim to want, wouldn't give a crap. A first amendment lover would not interfere with a church that was willing to perform that wedding, THEIR religion by THEIR terms shouldn't have interference by the government.

A Republican Congress created a law that the Democrat Bill Clinton signed. That's pretty bipartisan, but I'll tell you what, when Obama took a stand, FINALLY, for it... My Republican friends were suddenly up in arms. (and I proudly was part of the wedding party, happy to see my friends get married, legally, after nearly two decades together.)

Why does the right give a crap? Especially the ATHEISTS on the right, that still has my scratching my head.

And it's a first amendment, free speech, issue dude. Your ability to practice your religion as you believe.

And it's the law of the land, now. And loving the law of the land includes that law too.

I love my country BECAUSE it is willing to change and adapt, and I'm grateful that we have a system that allows people to tweak things as we learn.

The right and "center", globally, remains censorious and opposed to individual liberty.

Pundit will claim that the left is censorious, but the reality is that for much of modern history, the right has been opposed to, or indifferent to, free speech. Meanwhile the left has led on almost every major free speech issue in history.

At this time, is is far right Christian movements that have led anti-free speech campaigns against pornography, it is the capitalist class who systematically attacked the free association and free speech of workers trying to unionise, it is the right who are introducing laws designed to suppress protest and strikes. It is the right who prop up intellectual property. It is the right that suppress the speech ( and  sufferage) of prisoners

Meanwhile, the speech he spends his time worrying about is the fact that people use their free speech to be critical of things, and that sometimes leads to consequences for dickheads

  I think if some people keep it up with consequences for dickheads, they are eventually going to get some consequences themselves.  You do not put fires out by throwing gas on them, and once the house is in a roaring blaze it is a little too late to fix that.  Enjoy reaping what you are so ardently sowing.

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« Reply #1471 on: September 16, 2021, 07:43:41 AM »
Defending Free Speech, or loving your country, or believing in democracy, or wanting rule of law to be respected are not "political" views. They are the norms of our civilization.  The left tries to pretend they are contentious views so that they don't look like the absolute freaks they are when they loudly declare their support for banning (or nowadays even burning) books and blocking (or

I'm going to trim your quote because, yes the gist of it is in the first two lines.

You define terms and then judge people by your own definitions, and I think that's a weakness that many folks use to explain away complexity, and it's a form of ideological purity test. (The old "No True Scottsman" fallacy, if something doesn't fit your label, it's obvious that they were lying or somehow it's not the labels fault, but the specific incident.)

That sort of thing leads to "RINO" and "DINO" labels, and causes fractures in the group. You control this location, so obviously your opinion on things has a bit more weight.

But, it's that sort of attitude that made me leave the GOP, despite being a proud member for most of my adult, and all of my childhood.

My friend wanted to get married to his partner, but they were gay. A small government, that my parents and other republicans claim to want, wouldn't give a crap. A first amendment lover would not interfere with a church that was willing to perform that wedding, THEIR religion by THEIR terms shouldn't have interference by the government.

A Republican Congress created a law that the Democrat Bill Clinton signed. That's pretty bipartisan, but I'll tell you what, when Obama took a stand, FINALLY, for it... My Republican friends were suddenly up in arms. (and I proudly was part of the wedding party, happy to see my friends get married, legally, after nearly two decades together.)

Why does the right give a crap? Especially the ATHEISTS on the right, that still has my scratching my head.

And it's a first amendment, free speech, issue dude. Your ability to practice your religion as you believe.

And it's the law of the land, now. And loving the law of the land includes that law too.

I love my country BECAUSE it is willing to change and adapt, and I'm grateful that we have a system that allows people to tweak things as we learn.

This is going off topic, so please don't continue along these lines, but I will wonder what kind of Republicans you're hanging out with? Ones from stereotypical leftist shows and movies?

Because there were lots of libertarian Republicans who were arguing that government should have nothing to do with marriage. And from 2016 onwards most serious Republicans have not had a problem with gay legal rights. And yes, you can thank Donald Trump for that.  He was the first Presidential Candidate to support gay marriage from the moment he started running for President.

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« Reply #1472 on: September 16, 2021, 07:45:43 AM »
In a deplatforming list like ALL THE PEOPLE complaining about this list make or support ALL THE TIME, they explicitly say "if you buy from this list you are a racist, homophobe sexist fascist nazi and we will come after YOU too for doing so; and in fact we'll come after you if you don't join us in loud public displays of condemning the people on this list, because silence is violence bigot!"

That's a deplatforming list.

How is that any different than saying "if you buy these games you are purchasing from anti-consumer, woke, SJW destroyers of our democratic norms?"

It's the "We will come after YOU" element of it. The coercive threat.

Alerting potential buyers to products you think they shouldn't buy, if they want to be consistent with their principles, is one thing. Demanding that potential sellers stop selling what you think they shouldn't sell, on pain of trying to impact their business because you want them to be consistent with your principles, is quite another.
So if I want to test your theory, what one product should I buy to guarantee that they come after me?

Sure. Buy my Invisible College, get on twitter, add me on twitter, make a post where you say how you have bought Invisible College and for good measure you could @ me in the tweet. Then watch what happens to your reputation and friends with the leftists.
So if I refuse to use Twitter then I'm immune to the whole thing? That's good to know, because I've never used it and never plan to use it.

That's not to say I haven't been tempted to pick up your IC. I wouldn't mind a video about GMing it, particularly any adventure design tips you have in the book.

Invisible College actually has 50 adventure seeds in the book.
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« Reply #1473 on: September 16, 2021, 07:48:02 AM »
Defending Free Speech, or loving your country, or believing in democracy, or wanting rule of law to be respected are not "political" views. They are the norms of our civilization.  The left tries to pretend they are contentious views so that they don't look like the absolute freaks they are when they loudly declare their support for banning (or nowadays even burning) books and blocking (or

I'm going to trim your quote because, yes the gist of it is in the first two lines.

You define terms and then judge people by your own definitions, and I think that's a weakness that many folks use to explain away complexity, and it's a form of ideological purity test. (The old "No True Scottsman" fallacy, if something doesn't fit your label, it's obvious that they were lying or somehow it's not the labels fault, but the specific incident.)

That sort of thing leads to "RINO" and "DINO" labels, and causes fractures in the group. You control this location, so obviously your opinion on things has a bit more weight.

But, it's that sort of attitude that made me leave the GOP, despite being a proud member for most of my adult, and all of my childhood.

My friend wanted to get married to his partner, but they were gay. A small government, that my parents and other republicans claim to want, wouldn't give a crap. A first amendment lover would not interfere with a church that was willing to perform that wedding, THEIR religion by THEIR terms shouldn't have interference by the government.

A Republican Congress created a law that the Democrat Bill Clinton signed. That's pretty bipartisan, but I'll tell you what, when Obama took a stand, FINALLY, for it... My Republican friends were suddenly up in arms. (and I proudly was part of the wedding party, happy to see my friends get married, legally, after nearly two decades together.)

Why does the right give a crap? Especially the ATHEISTS on the right, that still has my scratching my head.

And it's a first amendment, free speech, issue dude. Your ability to practice your religion as you believe.

And it's the law of the land, now. And loving the law of the land includes that law too.

I love my country BECAUSE it is willing to change and adapt, and I'm grateful that we have a system that allows people to tweak things as we learn.

This is going off topic, so please don't continue along these lines, but I will wonder what kind of Republicans you're hanging out with? Ones from stereotypical leftist shows and movies?

Because there were lots of libertarian Republicans who were arguing that government should have nothing to do with marriage. And from 2016 onwards most serious Republicans have not had a problem with gay legal rights. And yes, you can thank Donald Trump for that.  He was the first Presidential Candidate to support gay marriage from the moment he started running for President.
  A republican lawyer filed and argued that supreme court case too.  That seems forgotten.

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« Reply #1474 on: September 16, 2021, 07:52:23 AM »
In a deplatforming list like ALL THE PEOPLE complaining about this list make or support ALL THE TIME, they explicitly say "if you buy from this list you are a racist, homophobe sexist fascist nazi and we will come after YOU too for doing so; and in fact we'll come after you if you don't join us in loud public displays of condemning the people on this list, because silence is violence bigot!"

That's a deplatforming list.

How is that any different than saying "if you buy these games you are purchasing from anti-consumer, woke, SJW destroyers of our democratic norms?"

It's the "We will come after YOU" element of it. The coercive threat.

Alerting potential buyers to products you think they shouldn't buy, if they want to be consistent with their principles, is one thing. Demanding that potential sellers stop selling what you think they shouldn't sell, on pain of trying to impact their business because you want them to be consistent with your principles, is quite another.
So if I want to test your theory, what one product should I buy to guarantee that they come after me?

Sure. Buy my Invisible College, get on twitter, add me on twitter, make a post where you say how you have bought Invisible College and for good measure you could @ me in the tweet. Then watch what happens to your reputation and friends with the leftists.

How dare there be consequences for an action....

  That is an action that merits consequences?   If those are the sorts of rules you are willing to live by, good luck to ya when your turn to face up to some consequences comes.


I mean, if you want free.speech & capitalism..it is just the way it is.


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« Reply #1475 on: September 16, 2021, 07:54:16 AM »
Defending Free Speech, or loving your country, or believing in democracy, or wanting rule of law to be respected are not "political" views. They are the norms of our civilization.  The left tries to pretend they are contentious views so that they don't look like the absolute freaks they are when they loudly declare their support for banning (or nowadays even burning) books and blocking (or

I'm going to trim your quote because, yes the gist of it is in the first two lines.

You define terms and then judge people by your own definitions, and I think that's a weakness that many folks use to explain away complexity, and it's a form of ideological purity test. (The old "No True Scottsman" fallacy, if something doesn't fit your label, it's obvious that they were lying or somehow it's not the labels fault, but the specific incident.)

That sort of thing leads to "RINO" and "DINO" labels, and causes fractures in the group. You control this location, so obviously your opinion on things has a bit more weight.

But, it's that sort of attitude that made me leave the GOP, despite being a proud member for most of my adult, and all of my childhood.

My friend wanted to get married to his partner, but they were gay. A small government, that my parents and other republicans claim to want, wouldn't give a crap. A first amendment lover would not interfere with a church that was willing to perform that wedding, THEIR religion by THEIR terms shouldn't have interference by the government.

A Republican Congress created a law that the Democrat Bill Clinton signed. That's pretty bipartisan, but I'll tell you what, when Obama took a stand, FINALLY, for it... My Republican friends were suddenly up in arms. (and I proudly was part of the wedding party, happy to see my friends get married, legally, after nearly two decades together.)

Why does the right give a crap? Especially the ATHEISTS on the right, that still has my scratching my head.

And it's a first amendment, free speech, issue dude. Your ability to practice your religion as you believe.

And it's the law of the land, now. And loving the law of the land includes that law too.

I love my country BECAUSE it is willing to change and adapt, and I'm grateful that we have a system that allows people to tweak things as we learn.

The right and "center", globally, remains censorious and opposed to individual liberty.

Pundit will claim that the left is censorious, but the reality is that for much of modern history, the right has been opposed to, or indifferent to, free speech. Meanwhile the left has led on almost every major free speech issue in history.

O RLY? You might want to check that with the entire Soviet Bloc.  There are lists and lists of banned books, including many of which now ONLY exist as a name on those lists because the Soviets destroyed every single copy that existed, and if they could murdered the authors.

And it's great that you remember the censorship pushed by christian conservatives in the 80s but that was literally 40 years ago. Right now, the Left is burning Asterix and Tintin books and forcing children to participate in that.

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At this time, is is far right Christian movements that have led anti-free speech campaigns against pornography

Again, are you a time traveler from the 1980s? Because today it's Intersectional Feminists that are trying to ban non-LGBT porn, and ban booth babes and cheerleaders and beauty pageants too, while they're at it, and literally forcing drawings to not show much leg or midriff in comics and cartoons.

Supergirl's costume didn't change from this:



To this:



Because conservatives were the ones upset at her showing "too much thigh".

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« Reply #1476 on: September 16, 2021, 07:55:09 AM »
In a deplatforming list like ALL THE PEOPLE complaining about this list make or support ALL THE TIME, they explicitly say "if you buy from this list you are a racist, homophobe sexist fascist nazi and we will come after YOU too for doing so; and in fact we'll come after you if you don't join us in loud public displays of condemning the people on this list, because silence is violence bigot!"

That's a deplatforming list.

How is that any different than saying "if you buy these games you are purchasing from anti-consumer, woke, SJW destroyers of our democratic norms?"

It's the "We will come after YOU" element of it. The coercive threat.

Alerting potential buyers to products you think they shouldn't buy, if they want to be consistent with their principles, is one thing. Demanding that potential sellers stop selling what you think they shouldn't sell, on pain of trying to impact their business because you want them to be consistent with your principles, is quite another.
So if I want to test your theory, what one product should I buy to guarantee that they come after me?

Sure. Buy my Invisible College, get on twitter, add me on twitter, make a post where you say how you have bought Invisible College and for good measure you could @ me in the tweet. Then watch what happens to your reputation and friends with the leftists.

How dare there be consequences for an action....

  That is an action that merits consequences?   If those are the sorts of rules you are willing to live by, good luck to ya when your turn to face up to some consequences comes.


I mean, if you want free.speech & capitalism..it is just the way it is.

  If that is the level of action you feel merits consequences, you are not going to like how it all turns out.

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« Reply #1477 on: September 16, 2021, 08:01:37 AM »
Defending Free Speech, or loving your country, or believing in democracy, or wanting rule of law to be respected are not "political" views. They are the norms of our civilization.  The left tries to pretend they are contentious views so that they don't look like the absolute freaks they are when they loudly declare their support for banning (or nowadays even burning) books and blocking (or

I'm going to trim your quote because, yes the gist of it is in the first two lines.

You define terms and then judge people by your own definitions, and I think that's a weakness that many folks use to explain away complexity, and it's a form of ideological purity test. (The old "No True Scottsman" fallacy, if something doesn't fit your label, it's obvious that they were lying or somehow it's not the labels fault, but the specific incident.)

That sort of thing leads to "RINO" and "DINO" labels, and causes fractures in the group. You control this location, so obviously your opinion on things has a bit more weight.

But, it's that sort of attitude that made me leave the GOP, despite being a proud member for most of my adult, and all of my childhood.

My friend wanted to get married to his partner, but they were gay. A small government, that my parents and other republicans claim to want, wouldn't give a crap. A first amendment lover would not interfere with a church that was willing to perform that wedding, THEIR religion by THEIR terms shouldn't have interference by the government.

A Republican Congress created a law that the Democrat Bill Clinton signed. That's pretty bipartisan, but I'll tell you what, when Obama took a stand, FINALLY, for it... My Republican friends were suddenly up in arms. (and I proudly was part of the wedding party, happy to see my friends get married, legally, after nearly two decades together.)

Why does the right give a crap? Especially the ATHEISTS on the right, that still has my scratching my head.

And it's a first amendment, free speech, issue dude. Your ability to practice your religion as you believe.

And it's the law of the land, now. And loving the law of the land includes that law too.

I love my country BECAUSE it is willing to change and adapt, and I'm grateful that we have a system that allows people to tweak things as we learn.

The right and "center", globally, remains censorious and opposed to individual liberty.

Pundit will claim that the left is censorious, but the reality is that for much of modern history, the right has been opposed to, or indifferent to, free speech. Meanwhile the left has led on almost every major free speech issue in history.

At this time, is is far right Christian movements that have led anti-free speech campaigns against pornography, it is the capitalist class who systematically attacked the free association and free speech of workers trying to unionise, it is the right who are introducing laws designed to suppress protest and strikes. It is the right who prop up intellectual property. It is the right that suppress the speech ( and  sufferage) of prisoners

Meanwhile, the speech he spends his time worrying about is the fact that people use their free speech to be critical of things, and that sometimes leads to consequences for dickheads

  I think if some people keep it up with consequences for dickheads, they are eventually going to get some consequences themselves.  You do not put fires out by throwing gas on them, and once the house is in a roaring blaze it is a little too late to fix that.  Enjoy reaping what you are so ardently sowing.

The house has been on fire for some time.

And people like you tell us of when we try to do something about The Arsonist.

I am at a loss for what consequence you think anyone here could impose upon me.


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« Reply #1478 on: September 16, 2021, 08:03:50 AM »
In a deplatforming list like ALL THE PEOPLE complaining about this list make or support ALL THE TIME, they explicitly say "if you buy from this list you are a racist, homophobe sexist fascist nazi and we will come after YOU too for doing so; and in fact we'll come after you if you don't join us in loud public displays of condemning the people on this list, because silence is violence bigot!"

That's a deplatforming list.

How is that any different than saying "if you buy these games you are purchasing from anti-consumer, woke, SJW destroyers of our democratic norms?"

It's the "We will come after YOU" element of it. The coercive threat.

Alerting potential buyers to products you think they shouldn't buy, if they want to be consistent with their principles, is one thing. Demanding that potential sellers stop selling what you think they shouldn't sell, on pain of trying to impact their business because you want them to be consistent with your principles, is quite another.
So if I want to test your theory, what one product should I buy to guarantee that they come after me?

Sure. Buy my Invisible College, get on twitter, add me on twitter, make a post where you say how you have bought Invisible College and for good measure you could @ me in the tweet. Then watch what happens to your reputation and friends with the leftists.

How dare there be consequences for an action....

  That is an action that merits consequences?   If those are the sorts of rules you are willing to live by, good luck to ya when your turn to face up to some consequences comes.


I mean, if you want free.speech & capitalism..it is just the way it is.

  If that is the level of action you feel merits consequences, you are not going to like how it all turns out.

My opinion on the matter is irrelevant. The consequences are an emergent property of lots of people engaging in free speech, and that speech interacting with capitalism.

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« Reply #1479 on: September 16, 2021, 08:15:36 AM »
Defending Free Speech, or loving your country, or believing in democracy, or wanting rule of law to be respected are not "political" views. They are the norms of our civilization.  The left tries to pretend they are contentious views so that they don't look like the absolute freaks they are when they loudly declare their support for banning (or nowadays even burning) books and blocking (or

I'm going to trim your quote because, yes the gist of it is in the first two lines.

You define terms and then judge people by your own definitions, and I think that's a weakness that many folks use to explain away complexity, and it's a form of ideological purity test. (The old "No True Scottsman" fallacy, if something doesn't fit your label, it's obvious that they were lying or somehow it's not the labels fault, but the specific incident.)

That sort of thing leads to "RINO" and "DINO" labels, and causes fractures in the group. You control this location, so obviously your opinion on things has a bit more weight.

But, it's that sort of attitude that made me leave the GOP, despite being a proud member for most of my adult, and all of my childhood.

My friend wanted to get married to his partner, but they were gay. A small government, that my parents and other republicans claim to want, wouldn't give a crap. A first amendment lover would not interfere with a church that was willing to perform that wedding, THEIR religion by THEIR terms shouldn't have interference by the government.

A Republican Congress created a law that the Democrat Bill Clinton signed. That's pretty bipartisan, but I'll tell you what, when Obama took a stand, FINALLY, for it... My Republican friends were suddenly up in arms. (and I proudly was part of the wedding party, happy to see my friends get married, legally, after nearly two decades together.)

Why does the right give a crap? Especially the ATHEISTS on the right, that still has my scratching my head.

And it's a first amendment, free speech, issue dude. Your ability to practice your religion as you believe.

And it's the law of the land, now. And loving the law of the land includes that law too.

I love my country BECAUSE it is willing to change and adapt, and I'm grateful that we have a system that allows people to tweak things as we learn.

The right and "center", globally, remains censorious and opposed to individual liberty.

Pundit will claim that the left is censorious, but the reality is that for much of modern history, the right has been opposed to, or indifferent to, free speech. Meanwhile the left has led on almost every major free speech issue in history.

At this time, is is far right Christian movements that have led anti-free speech campaigns against pornography, it is the capitalist class who systematically attacked the free association and free speech of workers trying to unionise, it is the right who are introducing laws designed to suppress protest and strikes. It is the right who prop up intellectual property. It is the right that suppress the speech ( and  sufferage) of prisoners

Meanwhile, the speech he spends his time worrying about is the fact that people use their free speech to be critical of things, and that sometimes leads to consequences for dickheads

  I think if some people keep it up with consequences for dickheads, they are eventually going to get some consequences themselves.  You do not put fires out by throwing gas on them, and once the house is in a roaring blaze it is a little too late to fix that.  Enjoy reaping what you are so ardently sowing.

The house has been on fire for some time.

And people like you tell us of when we try to do something about The Arsonist.

I am at a loss for what consequence you think anyone here could impose upon me.

  I am at a loss to understand why you think kicking people off a train that is headed over a cliff means anything.  I did not say anyone here has any consequences for you.  The society you seem to endorse however, will have some consequences, and eventually you will be the dickhead.  Best for you to hope when your turn comes it is still purple haired people trying to get you fired, and not large hairy men shooting you.

   You seem to think I imply there is a consequence for anything coming from people here... no.  The trend however is pretty easy to read, and human nature being what it is, there will either be total chaos, or there will be a total totalitarian movement.  Neither are good and both could happen.   

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« Reply #1480 on: September 16, 2021, 08:16:49 AM »
Defending Free Speech, or loving your country, or believing in democracy, or wanting rule of law to be respected are not "political" views. They are the norms of our civilization.  The left tries to pretend they are contentious views so that they don't look like the absolute freaks they are when they loudly declare their support for banning (or nowadays even burning) books and blocking (or

I'm going to trim your quote because, yes the gist of it is in the first two lines.

You define terms and then judge people by your own definitions, and I think that's a weakness that many folks use to explain away complexity, and it's a form of ideological purity test. (The old "No True Scottsman" fallacy, if something doesn't fit your label, it's obvious that they were lying or somehow it's not the labels fault, but the specific incident.)

That sort of thing leads to "RINO" and "DINO" labels, and causes fractures in the group. You control this location, so obviously your opinion on things has a bit more weight.

But, it's that sort of attitude that made me leave the GOP, despite being a proud member for most of my adult, and all of my childhood.

My friend wanted to get married to his partner, but they were gay. A small government, that my parents and other republicans claim to want, wouldn't give a crap. A first amendment lover would not interfere with a church that was willing to perform that wedding, THEIR religion by THEIR terms shouldn't have interference by the government.

A Republican Congress created a law that the Democrat Bill Clinton signed. That's pretty bipartisan, but I'll tell you what, when Obama took a stand, FINALLY, for it... My Republican friends were suddenly up in arms. (and I proudly was part of the wedding party, happy to see my friends get married, legally, after nearly two decades together.)

Why does the right give a crap? Especially the ATHEISTS on the right, that still has my scratching my head.

And it's a first amendment, free speech, issue dude. Your ability to practice your religion as you believe.

And it's the law of the land, now. And loving the law of the land includes that law too.

I love my country BECAUSE it is willing to change and adapt, and I'm grateful that we have a system that allows people to tweak things as we learn.

The right and "center", globally, remains censorious and opposed to individual liberty.

Pundit will claim that the left is censorious, but the reality is that for much of modern history, the right has been opposed to, or indifferent to, free speech. Meanwhile the left has led on almost every major free speech issue in history.

At this time, is is far right Christian movements that have led anti-free speech campaigns against pornography, it is the capitalist class who systematically attacked the free association and free speech of workers trying to unionise, it is the right who are introducing laws designed to suppress protest and strikes. It is the right who prop up intellectual property. It is the right that suppress the speech ( and  sufferage) of prisoners

Meanwhile, the speech he spends his time worrying about is the fact that people use their free speech to be critical of things, and that sometimes leads to consequences for dickheads
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« Reply #1481 on: September 16, 2021, 09:01:08 AM »
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“O RLY? You might want to check that with the entire Soviet Bloc.”

Every one you disagree with are soviets, right?
I mean seriously, I talk about a general tendancy in a diverse global political movement, and your answer is “but the soviets”
Imagine if I were to conflate the entire right with the nazis.
You’d cum so hard in your pants there would be a hole in them! Do behave!

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“There are lists and lists of banned books, including many of which now ONLY exist as a name on those lists because the Soviets destroyed every single copy that existed, and if they could murdered the authors.”

Yes, authoritarianism, be it left or right, is bad.

Which is why left-libertarian, as the world’s foremost Libitarian tradition, is so important.

It has since at least the Diggers, been fighting for the rights and positive freedoms of the commoner, while the right has always been a force that has suppressed those freedoms. The right’s closest answer to left-libertarianism is statist AND argues for near total domination of the commoner by the authoritian logic of capitalism.


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“And it's great that you remember the censorship pushed by christian conservatives in the 80s but that was literally 40 years ago. Right now, the Left is burning Asterix and Tintin books and forcing children to participate in that.”

The recent restructuring of Pornhub and the attempt to kick sex workers of Onlyfans were a direct result of campaigning by the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (aka Morality in Media), a catholic dominionist organisation, and Exodus Cry, an evangelical dominionist organisation.

It is The National Center on Sexual Exploitation that is currently attempting to bring a law suit against twitter to ban porn from twitter.

You would know this, if you actually interested in free speech.

There are feminists who are opposed to sex work. They are known as SWERFs (Sex Worker Exclusionary Radical Feminists). They are DEFINITIONALLY not intersectional feminists.  The Venn diagram of SWERF and TERF is almost a perfect circle. Both are on the right of modern feminism, and have a history of making alliances with the Far-Right.



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« Reply #1482 on: September 16, 2021, 09:08:27 AM »
Defending Free Speech, or loving your country, or believing in democracy, or wanting rule of law to be respected are not "political" views. They are the norms of our civilization.  The left tries to pretend they are contentious views so that they don't look like the absolute freaks they are when they loudly declare their support for banning (or nowadays even burning) books and blocking (or

I'm going to trim your quote because, yes the gist of it is in the first two lines.

You define terms and then judge people by your own definitions, and I think that's a weakness that many folks use to explain away complexity, and it's a form of ideological purity test. (The old "No True Scottsman" fallacy, if something doesn't fit your label, it's obvious that they were lying or somehow it's not the labels fault, but the specific incident.)

That sort of thing leads to "RINO" and "DINO" labels, and causes fractures in the group. You control this location, so obviously your opinion on things has a bit more weight.

But, it's that sort of attitude that made me leave the GOP, despite being a proud member for most of my adult, and all of my childhood.

My friend wanted to get married to his partner, but they were gay. A small government, that my parents and other republicans claim to want, wouldn't give a crap. A first amendment lover would not interfere with a church that was willing to perform that wedding, THEIR religion by THEIR terms shouldn't have interference by the government.

A Republican Congress created a law that the Democrat Bill Clinton signed. That's pretty bipartisan, but I'll tell you what, when Obama took a stand, FINALLY, for it... My Republican friends were suddenly up in arms. (and I proudly was part of the wedding party, happy to see my friends get married, legally, after nearly two decades together.)

Why does the right give a crap? Especially the ATHEISTS on the right, that still has my scratching my head.

And it's a first amendment, free speech, issue dude. Your ability to practice your religion as you believe.

And it's the law of the land, now. And loving the law of the land includes that law too.

I love my country BECAUSE it is willing to change and adapt, and I'm grateful that we have a system that allows people to tweak things as we learn.

The right and "center", globally, remains censorious and opposed to individual liberty.

Pundit will claim that the left is censorious, but the reality is that for much of modern history, the right has been opposed to, or indifferent to, free speech. Meanwhile the left has led on almost every major free speech issue in history.

At this time, is is far right Christian movements that have led anti-free speech campaigns against pornography, it is the capitalist class who systematically attacked the free association and free speech of workers trying to unionise, it is the right who are introducing laws designed to suppress protest and strikes. It is the right who prop up intellectual property. It is the right that suppress the speech ( and  sufferage) of prisoners

Meanwhile, the speech he spends his time worrying about is the fact that people use their free speech to be critical of things, and that sometimes leads to consequences for dickheads

  I think if some people keep it up with consequences for dickheads, they are eventually going to get some consequences themselves.  You do not put fires out by throwing gas on them, and once the house is in a roaring blaze it is a little too late to fix that.  Enjoy reaping what you are so ardently sowing.

The house has been on fire for some time.

And people like you tell us of when we try to do something about The Arsonist.

I am at a loss for what consequence you think anyone here could impose upon me.

  I am at a loss to understand why you think kicking people off a train that is headed over a cliff means anything.  I did not say anyone here has any consequences for you.  The society you seem to endorse however, will have some consequences, and eventually you will be the dickhead.  Best for you to hope when your turn comes it is still purple haired people trying to get you fired, and not large hairy men shooting you.

   You seem to think I imply there is a consequence for anything coming from people here... no.  The trend however is pretty easy to read, and human nature being what it is, there will either be total chaos, or there will be a total totalitarian movement.  Neither are good and both could happen.

If the reason that the train is "going of a cliff" is because there are a group of armed extremists, feeding the boiler and preventing anyone from applying the breaks; then throwing them off the train is a pre-requisite(or at least one of the most workable approaches) for stopping the train going over the edge.

I ain't endorsing shit. Just telling you what the actual problem is. You cannot have Free Speech AND Capitalism, without these issues. I choose Free Speech.

As for "eventually being the dickhead". Maybe. Not terribly worried about that, as the consequences are pretty fucking mild AND I know how to apologise and learn from mistakes.

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« Reply #1483 on: September 16, 2021, 09:12:29 AM »
   Armed extremists...who might that be?   I think you are going to be in for a terrible shock if it is who I think you mean.  I think if you lost your job and the ability to make a living you may not think consequences so mild, but even if that is mild to you, thinking that will always be the consequence is a consistent and constant mistake through history, expecting things to always move in the direction they are moving now, or expecting things to stay the same.
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« Reply #1484 on: September 16, 2021, 09:13:10 AM »
So, when do you think that Pundit is going to stick with his convictions regarding free speech and campaign for prisoner's sufferage and speech rights?