People, let's try to stay closer to the topic of the list. This isn't a general discussion thread on internet censorship. You want to talk about how SJWs on the list have tried blacklisting, banning, boycotting or smear campaigns against other people, that's fine. But we don't really need to talk about what Al Gore's wife or other Democrats were doing back in the 1980s (along with some fundies).

Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 08, 2021, 12:12:55 AM
Yes, I'm sure we all remember the 80's and 90's outrage, satanic panic, and attempt to sanitize entertainment.

That's why we're concerned about woke and cancel culture now, today.

Why?  I'm still playing D&D, even the cancel culture of that era didn't work.

And don't pretend that there's not a conservative equivalent, I'd like to point to the NFL. I'd like to point to Starbucks EverY Damn Christmas Time.

Keurigs got exploded in video after video.

Nike had a bunch of people trying to prevent the release of a limited edition Lil Nas sneaker that no one would have noticed if they had just kept quiet, because the whole controversial "human blood" aspect of it was completely ignored when Tony Hawk had a similar gimmick.

And you can point at people getting fired for their stance on abortion, but I can point at people fired for the same thing in reverse.

And I can point at teachers fired for having "In This Classoom Black Lives Matter" including one in Florida who just won $300k in wrongful termination.

You want to play that game, we can find plenty of examples where parents go nuts about teachers having progressive opinions.

Or asking kids to wear masks.

Or any number of uttery dumb things.

So, yeah, I imagine one got banned for being too conservative. Because parents being stupid is not owned by one party.

(strike-through because I volunteer it to be deleted due to being reminded about off-topic, but if someone was typing a reply, not trying to "hide what I said.")

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 08, 2021, 12:23:53 AM
People, let's try to stay closer to the topic of the list. This isn't a general discussion thread on internet censorship. You want to talk about how SJWs on the list have tried blacklisting, banning, boycotting or smear campaigns against other people, that's fine. But we don't really need to talk about what Al Gore's wife or other Democrats were doing back in the 1980s (along with some fundies).

On-topic, as GenCon is on the list, would the ENNies qualify well or no?

*edit*

In light of your strikethrough, and an attempt to keep on topic, I'm nuking my reply.

Any word on the major vtt alternatives? I don't especially like roll20 but I've used it because the barrier to entry is the lowest of pretty much any vtt. Before I go investing time and money in foundry or fantasy grounds I'd like to know that they aren't woke and obnoxious about it. Tech companies in general seem to be filled with blue haired moral scolds and rpg publishers are split right down the middle, so an rpg tech company seem like an especially bad risk for this sort of fuckery.

I still believe this thread has a highly political distinction made only more apparent by the recent internet furor over the list... divided along the expected political lines.

The existence of this thread shows how hypocritical the rules are here and why people can't take theRPGsite seriously. This is not a pertinent discussion of RPGs, but a hand-wringing whine-fest of conservative masturbatory echoes in the dark corners of the uber-basement.

Also, many of the red companies make great games. You're just pointing us (evil liberal SJWs) to other publishers we will support.

The last screeching masturbatory thread about what to do with the SJWs ended with playing video games? This place has grown VERY confusing. So much spit everywhere. The little tempest in this little teapot is hilariously humiliating. Soldier on great champions of freedom!! Also, please remember to stay hydrated! We don't want all this spitting to result in medical issues.

So I'm wondering.  I've been considering buying the Witcher rpg from Talsorian Games, and I read the pdfs of the sourcebooks so I know I want to play the game.  So I want to know if any of the money I use to buy the rpg will go towards Adrzej Sapkowski and/or CDProjektRed.  Right now I'm strongly leaning towards buying the game because the gm guide is looking pretty based with the overall mentality it conveys.

Quote from: trechriron on September 08, 2021, 01:52:24 AM
I still believe this thread has a highly political distinction made only more apparent by the recent internet furor over the list... divided along the expected political lines.

Oh! Coy moon gibberish founded in belief. Yay.

Quote from: trechriron on September 08, 2021, 01:52:24 AM
The existence of this thread shows how hypocritical the rules are here

Does it? It's related to rpgs by being about rpg vendors. The normally forbidden politics attaches to that.

Quote from: trechriron on September 08, 2021, 01:52:24 AM
and why people can't take theRPGsite seriously.

Oh, you speak for THE PEOPLE now? How impressive.

Quote from: trechriron on September 08, 2021, 01:52:24 AM
This is not a pertinent discussion of RPGs, but a hand-wringing whine-fest of conservative masturbatory echoes in the dark corners of the uber-basement.

Bad poetry. Yay. Every peanut is a winner!

Quote from: trechriron on September 08, 2021, 01:52:24 AM
Also, many of the red companies make great games. You're just pointing us (evil liberal SJWs) to other publishers we will support.

Use the list however you want. Who cares? It's sunlight. It's clarifying. Are you objecting to it or supporting it? It sounds like you think it is useful to you.

Quote from: trechriron on September 08, 2021, 01:52:24 AM
The last screeching masturbatory thread about what to do with the SJWs ended with playing video games? This place has grown VERY confusing. So much spit everywhere. The little tempest in this little teapot is hilariously humiliating. Soldier on great champions of freedom!! Also, please remember to stay hydrated! We don't want all this spitting to result in medical issues.

And now the bad poet has developed comic aspirations.  Yay. That's a thing. Mmhmm.

Quote from: rando on September 07, 2021, 06:14:14 PMI'm sorry but I don't know what "multiple session 0s" are.  In somebody's home game, nobody is going to do this.  Maybe if it has to do with underage kids playing and you and I both know that such problem content would never come up.  My only conclusion would be that it was made for K-12 students and/or total strangers (perhaps online).  Aside from it being free, it's entirely optional.  You don't have to download it or use it. 
-rando

I made the mistake of joining a bunch of millennials (all in their late 20s to mid thirties) for a campaign shortly before covid. The DM wanted to do three session zeros. For D&D 5E, which everyone at the table already knew. I noped out of there right away. Still no clue what he was actually planning to do with those sessions.

Is it possible to land on the Red list by being a full-on Nazi? People talk about "normal" gamers but I see a lot of right, far-right, and eccentric attitudes expressed in this thread that don't fly with "normal gamers" insofar as that's a thing. So I'm really wondering if being apolitical is the Green standard here, or if this is just a deck shuffle to really say right-wing, conservative, or retrograde politics.
Oh, and thank you, posters with less than 10 posts, for showing up and registering to post the absolute worst takes on everything.

Quote from: pawsplay on September 08, 2021, 04:32:32 AM
Oh, and thank you, posters with less than 10 posts, for showing up and registering to post the absolute worst takes on everything.

It's heartening to know that The List has garnered enough attention to get us some new posters.

Quote from: pawsplay on September 08, 2021, 04:32:32 AM
Is it possible to land on the Red list by being a full-on Nazi? People talk about "normal" gamers but I see a lot of right, far-right, and eccentric attitudes expressed in this thread that don't fly with "normal gamers" insofar as that's a thing. So I'm really wondering if being apolitical is the Green standard here, or if this is just a deck shuffle to really say right-wing, conservative, or retrograde politics.
Oh, and thank you, posters with less than 10 posts, for showing up and registering to post the absolute worst takes on everything.

  Define far-right for me.   So far as I know, the only Nazi like dude who made a game (the vilkes dude) is pretty heavily reviled here, and I suspect did not get on the list even in the red so as to not give him ANY attention what so ever. 

Quote from: Alea Iacta Est on September 08, 2021, 02:01:49 AM
So I'm wondering.  I've been considering buying the Witcher rpg from Talsorian Games, and I read the pdfs of the sourcebooks so I know I want to play the game.  So I want to know if any of the money I use to buy the rpg will go towards Adrzej Sapkowski and/or CDProjektRed.  Right now I'm strongly leaning towards buying the game because the gm guide is looking pretty based with the overall mentality it conveys.

I'm sure that some of it will go to Adrzej as the writer and owner of the world/characters, but I doubt that CDPR gets anything or much if they do get anything. They license The Witcher too, just like R. Talsorian.

I have all of the PDFs for the Witcher, but I haven't bought a book yet, because whenever I present it as an option to play, my group starts talking about 5E. I did buy the CPR books, and they seemed interested in that, but then Shadowrun comes up when we talk about that. So I am kinda leery about heavily investing in either if talk is going to turn from a game I want to run towards something I (in 5E's case) have no great desire to support or run, or (in SR's case) I already have all of the books I would need to run a campaign and if anything new is in the pipes I will probably be picking up.

I went and bought copies of the Astonishing Swordsmen & Sorcerers of Hyperborea Players Guide back when it was on Kickstarter for everyone in the group after we talked about it and they we were all like "A Conan Game With Cthulhu? Sign Me Up!" But now that 3E is coming out, every time I talk about Hyperborea it's like pulling teeth to draw them away from 5E again. So I think that's where I learned my lesson about going all in on anything before starting an actual campaign for them.

Quote from: trechriron on September 08, 2021, 01:52:24 AM
I still believe this thread has a highly political distinction made only more apparent by the recent internet furor over the list... divided along the expected political lines.

The existence of this thread shows how hypocritical the rules are here and why people can't take theRPGsite seriously. This is not a pertinent discussion of RPGs, but a hand-wringing whine-fest of conservative masturbatory echoes in the dark corners of the uber-basement.

Also, many of the red companies make great games. You're just pointing us (evil liberal SJWs) to other publishers we will support.

The last screeching masturbatory thread about what to do with the SJWs ended with playing video games? This place has grown VERY confusing. So much spit everywhere. The little tempest in this little teapot is hilariously humiliating. Soldier on great champions of freedom!! Also, please remember to stay hydrated! We don't want all this spitting to result in medical issues.

Keep talking.

Your stuff's gonna look great on a torrent.

Quote from: pawsplay on September 08, 2021, 04:32:32 AM
Is it possible to land on the Red list by being a full-on Nazi? People talk about "normal" gamers but I see a lot of right, far-right, and eccentric attitudes expressed in this thread that don't fly with "normal gamers" insofar as that's a thing. So I'm really wondering if being apolitical is the Green standard here, or if this is just a deck shuffle to really say right-wing, conservative, or retrograde politics.
Oh, and thank you, posters with less than 10 posts, for showing up and registering to post the absolute worst takes on everything.

I and Ocule have touched upon this subject a bit. Basically, I suggested that we separate the neutral/undecided/unknown and anti-SJW list as well as the SJW and alt-right list. The only people on the Anti-SJW list would be the people who have explicitly stated that they are opposed to SJWs, not the people that we suspect of being anti-SJWs. I have also listed a couple of more names for the neutral list as well as a couple of names for the hypothetical alt-right list. Unfortunately, I still haven't heard back from Ocule regarding this idea. Hopefully, he sees this post.