Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 07, 2021, 10:16:18 PM

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 07, 2021, 09:58:03 PM
People and bots mocking you on twitter because they got brigaded into it is of no concern really. I wouldn't take any of it seriously. Tubesock thinks it's the most important thing and who gives a shit? If he wants their so called "Ms. Marvel and Moon Girl are the best" respect then he can buy 1000 copies of Thirsty Sword lesbians for goody clout and donate them to a city library. These are the same idiots who claimed the Last Jedi was amazing and then got quiet when the realized that that ship had sailed and come back painted as a different ship.  If this is a huge laughing stock that no one supports then it wouldn't get any response but the SJW social media nutjob corps has already failed that test and that's good enough for me to say it was seen and felt and not ignored as an irrelevancy.

Yeah. they're 'bots" lmao

Okay, I'll take your word for it that this particular stoked up plastic twitter mob has no bots because you typed LMAO. You want it to be important so we all have to kowtow to that and ignore what we already know about this stupid process. Sure buddy. LMAO LMAO ROFFLE and all that.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 07, 2021, 10:15:50 PM

Quote from: ArtemisWyrm on September 07, 2021, 09:55:51 PM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 07, 2021, 09:53:58 PM

Quote from: Ocule on September 07, 2021, 09:40:02 PM


Everything I shared on that list was made public, I've shared nothing that was asked not to be shared or shared on a private Facebook.

Well then I must not be referring to you, eh?

That or you were being disingenuous considering this is his thread and what the topic of this discussion has been.

Your lack of reading comprehension =/= someone being "disingenuous". Swing and a miss.

Yeah he lacks reading comprehension and you aren't a sour bitch trying to throw weight around. Got it, Sherlock.

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 07, 2021, 09:58:03 PM
People and bots mocking you on twitter because they got brigaded into it is of no concern really. I wouldn't take any of it seriously. Tubesock thinks it's the most important thing and who gives a shit? If he wants their so called "Ms. Marvel and Moon Girl are the best" respect then he can buy 1000 copies of Thirsty Sword lesbians for goody clout and donate them to a city library. These are the same idiots who claimed the Last Jedi was amazing and then got quiet when the realized that that ship had sailed and come back painted as a different ship.  If this is a huge laughing stock that no one supports then it wouldn't get any response but the SJW social media nutjob corps has already failed that test and that's good enough for me to say it was seen and felt and not ignored as an irrelevancy.

If tubesock and the sjw peanut gallery just left us alone to let us do our thing that would be one thing. Infiltrating our hobby and ruining everything is another. Getting real tired of this shit. We need gatekeeping. No a-holes at our tables and no a-hole books on our shelves.

I'm gonna leave the thread for a while so no one accuses me of only dancing with Tubesock at the magic college prom.

Quote from: ArtemisWyrm on September 07, 2021, 10:21:40 PM

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 07, 2021, 09:58:03 PM
People and bots mocking you on twitter because they got brigaded into it is of no concern really. I wouldn't take any of it seriously. Tubesock thinks it's the most important thing and who gives a shit? If he wants their so called "Ms. Marvel and Moon Girl are the best" respect then he can buy 1000 copies of Thirsty Sword lesbians for goody clout and donate them to a city library. These are the same idiots who claimed the Last Jedi was amazing and then got quiet when the realized that that ship had sailed and come back painted as a different ship.  If this is a huge laughing stock that no one supports then it wouldn't get any response but the SJW social media nutjob corps has already failed that test and that's good enough for me to say it was seen and felt and not ignored as an irrelevancy.

If tubesock and the sjw peanut gallery just left us alone to let us do our thing that would be one thing. Infiltrating our hobby and ruining everything is another. Getting real tired of this shit. We need gatekeeping. No a-holes at our tables and no a-hole books on our shelves.

"Us?" You JUST regged here, ya fuckin tryhard.

I also find sophists unbearable, so they get no table space from me either.

Quote from: ArtemisWyrm on September 07, 2021, 10:29:53 PM
I also find sophists unbearable, so they get no table space from me either.

Nothing I said was misleading, moron. I said that some people here were sharing info that they got from private Facebook posts, that included the name of the person involved, who has thus far not chosen to make statments of support, and so they were. I could quote them, but I'm not the type of asshole to go sharing someone's private shit without permission, because I can't keep a secret like an old woman or a little kid.

You're dense. You'll fit right in here. Fuck outta here with this NOTICE ME SENPAI bullshit.

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 07, 2021, 06:56:29 AM

I explain exactly what their reaction is all about in my latest video:

So, I'm watching the video, nearly halfway through. (and finished as I was writing this.)

But, once again, I don't see people upset about the list. I see people cheering about their inclusion, what you see as a criticism, they find to be virtuous.

And... You suffer from a form of intellectual dishonesty, where you say "They think" and "they want" and yet, you're combining them into a singular unit, as if they all speak with one voice, so therefore if one acts inappropriately, it represents them all.

That could be used to paint those with opinions similar to you, that obviously have other opinions that are abhorrent to you. It's BS, and you know.

I'm pretty likely to be considered as SJW by you, and by most people on this forum. I'm not ashamed of it, you can go search my opinions, they're pretty tame in my opinion, but I think that a lot of folks here might find them problematic.

I'm not bothered by your list. I'm waaaay too small potatoes to ever be on the list, I've written a few adventures on DM's Guild and never broke 4 digit profit, so ... I'm not worth your notice, and you've accomplished some things that I respect, as do a lot of the people whose other opinions I don't agree with.

BUT, I wouldn't be offended if you put me on this list with my actual opinions. And in most cases, that's what the list did. It's just things like "This company supports BLM" or "This company expressed public opposition to Trump."

You keep it there, no one would really argue. Even when it becomed editorialized, it's generally not something that the people in the red list find a problem.  "Pandering to..." What one person finds to be pandering, another person might think to be appropriate.

You think Evil Hat is concerned about your opinion when they publish a book that is basically their own version of edgelord?

And here's what's written about Evil Hat?

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Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy

  Yeah, I mean if they say stuff like that, then repeating that they said it isn't actually going to be something they have a problem with?

But, yeah, if I were to show up on the list, which ... and no, I'm way too unimportant to ever do it... but if I did, hey, you can repeat something that I said on Twitter in this list, and I wouldn't be bothered one bit. I know how the internet works.

And anyone who says they are anti-woke or anti-SJW, I'm going to expect their green/red lists to be reversed than my own, and so I'm totally in favor of you keeping these lists.

And I would love for the lists to include more concrete evidence of the folks on the green list.  Just as you say that you don't want to buy games made by people who say you are not welcome, I don't want to buy games from people who say that I am unwelcome.

So our goals are aligned in this list.

EDIT: Just finished listening to the video. I mean, I don't agree with you, I think you're engaging in a bit of intellectual dishonesty and a little bit of "everyone who disagrees with me is a cohesive unit that is coordinating with each other."

But hey, whatever dude, you keep making your games, you keep running your site, and do what you do. Nothing about this latest list related drama is much different than any of the things that you've said on your channel in the past, I'm sure that this will blow over soon enough.

But, you do recognize something I've often told folks on the left: the moment you use the tactics that you find objectionable when used by your opponents, you lose the ability to claim clean hands in the future.

I'm so disappointed by the vandalism that was done on the list, I'm glad to see that it is now protected, and I encourage everyone to maintain it, provide details, and ... eh do whatever you do.

  I can assure you, most people here do not use, or think the word "problematic" regarding anything.  I think that is someone else's word. 

This is good but needs more examples from clown world and less complaints about not making the list

  Regarding clean hands and using tactics used against you that are objectionable.   If you fight someone and they use any way at all to win, you are just a dumbass to not fight dirty yourself.   The "right" has been a bunch of dumbasses for a long time. 

Quote from: oggsmash on September 07, 2021, 10:58:02 PM
  I can assure you, most people here do not use, or think the word "problematic" regarding anything.  I think that is someone else's word.

Yeah, it's one of those ... words.

But, I've said plenty of things that would get me labelled an SJW, and if someone made a list of people that were "SJW gamers" and quoted me, I don't know why that would be something that people would think would offend me, make me angry, make me afraid, or anything like that.

Just as if someone were to make a list of companies that support Trump and used a tweet or a Facebook post where the CEO said "Trump 2020!"  ... Sure, whatever, the dude said it, I don't think he'd be ashamed of it.

(and if he was, man, that's not how the internet works. You say it publicly, it might as well be permanent. Come to terms with the fact that the internet is written with permanent marker)

Quote from: hoshisabi on September 07, 2021, 11:07:26 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on September 07, 2021, 10:58:02 PM
  I can assure you, most people here do not use, or think the word "problematic" regarding anything.  I think that is someone else's word.

Yeah, it's one of those ... words.

But, I've said plenty of things that would get me labelled an SJW, and if someone made a list of people that were "SJW gamers" and quoted me, I don't know why that would be something that people would think would offend me, make me angry, make me afraid, or anything like that.

Just as if someone were to make a list of companies that support Trump and used a tweet or a Facebook post where the CEO said "Trump 2020!"  ... Sure, whatever, the dude said it, I don't think he'd be ashamed of it.

(and if he was, man, that's not how the internet works. You say it publicly, it might as well be permanent. Come to terms with the fact that the internet is written with permanent marker)

The point of the list is not to offend the woke crowd. They get themselves worked up all the time over nothing. The point is to help gamers like us make an informed choice as to which company we should choose to put our money towards. It shows us which companies get involved in woke politics or bends the knee vs those that aren't woke or are neutral. In other words it lets us know which companies hate us and which ones don't.

Quote from: oggsmash on September 07, 2021, 11:04:11 PM
  Regarding clean hands and using tactics used against you that are objectionable.   If you fight someone and they use any way at all to win, you are just a dumbass to not fight dirty yourself.   The "right" has been a bunch of dumbasses for a long time.

Not when the point you're making is the tactics being used.

"The left makes lists."

Well, now we see the right making lists. And I can show plenty of examples of the right making lists in the past. After all, our own game was banned BY THE RIGHT as part of a list.

Back when I was a kid, the Satanic Panic put D&D on a list, and groups like Bothered About Dungeons and Dragons was firmly right wing and Christian and opposed to so many things that somehow have become accepted by this new form of "the right."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Pulling

I haven't forgotten, but sometimes I wonder why people my age have, as they get older they somehow carve out exceptions for the things that they enjoyed as a kid, but ... sometimes not even then.

My ultra right wing buddy that I gamed with, that went from being far on my left to become far far on my right, ... Well, D&D is kinda sorta ok, but Harry Potter is about casting spells, and it's about witches, and glorifying things against God. I was really surprised to hear him tell me that, but ... hey, he worships how he worships. But, he also knows how I spend my free time too.

Quote from: ArtemisWyrm on September 07, 2021, 11:11:14 PM
The point of the list is not to offend the woke crowd. They get themselves worked up all the time over nothing. The point is to help gamers like us make an informed choice as to which company we should choose to put our money towards. It shows us which companies get involved in woke politics or bends the knee vs those that aren't woke or are neutral. In other words it lets us know which companies hate us and which ones don't.

Excellent, and your list can also help provide me and other SJW folks the same benefit, as you're providing a list of games made by people who hate us and which ones don't.