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Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
« Reply #315 on: August 15, 2021, 11:09:55 AM »
Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the “he’s a nazi” talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that’s the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I’m not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

There was video of the incident. The guy in question came out of nowhere while Jeremy was eating at a restaurant outside of the convention area, and started attacking him with no provocation.

Gencon's response was to ban Jeremy for life from the convention.
There was a LOT of speculation that someone in GenCon put Loter up to it, and it gave them an excuse to ban Hambly because 'he causes drama' or somesuch.

Even if you think Hambly is a moron, that doesn't give people an excuse to attack him. It's the same stupid argument used for 'punch Nazis!' -- because the definition of 'Nazi' seems to keep devolving.

  back when this happened, I looked into the dude who jumped him.  I saw some glaring red flags (krav maga in the USA was the biggest) and talk around his martial arts training that was a bright flare of a red flag.  I think the dude is just off, considered himself a tough guy, and felt in the space he enjoys (Table top gaming) that knowing what a right cross, double leg takedown, and having the ability to do a couple pull ups made him Conan the Barbarian among his fellow gamers.   So I could accept he was put up to it, but IMO he just went ham because he was a borderline fucktard who knew he would reap social reward for acting like thug in the name of the right side of history.   He was correct.

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« Reply #316 on: August 15, 2021, 11:19:49 AM »
Can we get back on the lists?  I mean who else is green?

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« Reply #317 on: August 15, 2021, 11:57:21 AM »
Can we get back on the lists?  I mean who else is green?

  My comment was about the list, meaning Gen con is certainly red.    I honestly do not need a company to make the green for me to use their stuff, heck, if it is subjectively red I can work around that. 

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« Reply #318 on: August 15, 2021, 03:05:21 PM »
Who was it that attacked him? Wasn’t he a journalist or YouTuber or something? I don’t think he made any games. I’ll need to start looking at more obscure titles at this rate. Should we include third party publishers for other titles as well?

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« Reply #319 on: August 15, 2021, 04:00:42 PM »
If we're gonna talk conventions, I would rate DragonCon at worst yellow and most likely green.

Yes, they tend to make the occasional genuflection, and there is a diversity track. But the track seems to exist solely to contain the morons. Meanwhile, they keep inviting guys like D.J. Butler, Larry Correia, John Ringo, and Michael Z. Williamson. If they're woke, they're very bad at it :)

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« Reply #320 on: August 15, 2021, 05:18:32 PM »
Who was it that attacked him? Wasn’t he a journalist or YouTuber or something? I don’t think he made any games. I’ll need to start looking at more obscure titles at this rate. Should we include third party publishers for other titles as well?
 
  I dont remember his name, I thought he was part owner of a gaming store, and was developing (had a kickstarter) a game, but my memory is fuzzy.  He is a non factor IMO, what is relevant was how Gen Con reacted to the incident, which colored them a deep scarlet for purposes of that list.

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« Reply #321 on: August 16, 2021, 12:37:14 PM »
    Red
    Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
    • Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
    That guy..  yeah.

    It was like Beatlejuice, say Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay three times and he appears from seemingly no where.[/list]

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    « Reply #322 on: August 16, 2021, 02:48:17 PM »
    Put Magpie Games in the Red.

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    « Reply #323 on: August 16, 2021, 03:05:17 PM »
    Put Magpie Games in the Red.

    Having trouble finding anything concise on some really slow data atm. What’s with magpie games, I can see zakS trying to come up on a search but not what magpie actually did
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    « Reply #324 on: August 16, 2021, 03:47:56 PM »
    Put Magpie Games in the Red.

    Having trouble finding anything concise on some really slow data atm. What’s with magpie games, I can see zakS trying to come up on a search but not what magpie actually did

    They are the ones doing the current Avatar Legends kickstarter and they are all about "BLM and Diversity and Inclusiveness" and they are aiming Avatar Legends to be all about non-western storytelling, which shows they totally misunderstand the source material, and they hired Daniel Kwan (its Kwan, I think... he's the guy who is part of the Asians Represent podcast that pushed to get Oriental Adventures to get banned from the D&D store) to write some for AL.

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    « Reply #325 on: August 16, 2021, 03:58:59 PM »
    Yup Magpie Games is going up there right next to coyote and crow on being actually racist. I tried watching Asians represent on L5r and as soon as someone led their introduction with their pronouns I knew it was going to be a shit show
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    « Reply #326 on: August 16, 2021, 06:53:32 PM »
    I look at these companies, Dungeons and Dragons, Star Wars, Marvel comics, just about anything in the mainstream media today, and I wonder when it happened. How did we get here?  :-[
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    « Reply #327 on: August 17, 2021, 12:10:39 AM »
    I look at these companies, Dungeons and Dragons, Star Wars, Marvel comics, just about anything in the mainstream media today, and I wonder when it happened. How did we get here?  :-[

    Communism and cronyism is what happened.

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    Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    « Reply #328 on: August 17, 2021, 12:07:18 PM »
    Updated List

    Green
    Not Woke or Indifferent
    • RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
    • Troll Lord Games (Castles and Crusades/Siege Engine) Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
    • Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
    • Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
    • Autarch/ACKS Definitely not woke
    • Necrotic Gnome (Old School Essentials) Makes a point to be apolitical
    • Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products
    • OSRIC Hasn't given any indication of getting political
    • Whitebox: FMAG No indication of getting poltical
    • Goblinoid Games (Labyrinth Lord) No indication of getting political
    • Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
    • Post Mortem Studios (Tales of Gor, Punk RPG, Grimdark) Visit the storefront, can't imagine them giving a shit what people think
    • Palladium Does what they have always done, make gonzo worlds
    • North Wind Adventures (Astonishing Swordsman and Sorcerers of Hyperborea) Hired some woke artist, but otherwise seems faithful to AD&D. Doesnt Appear to get preachy
    • Kort'thalis Publishing/Venger Satanis (Alpha Blue, Cha'alt) Anti SJW
    • Peterson Games (Cthulhu Mythos among others) They tried to cancel him for thinking that men shouldn't compete in women's sports. Seems like a genuinely nice dude
    • Riot Minds (Trudvang, Lex Occultum) Does not appear to be political, you can get their proprietary system or the D&D adaptation or adopt the setting to your own system. It's a beautiful setting with outstanding artwork.
    • Lamentations of the Flame Princess Edgelords, cannot be contained. They were on the receiving end of the cancel mob and twiterati for a while.
    • For Gold and Glory Nothing to suggest going woke, seems indifferent.
    • Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper) Indifferent
    • Sine Nomine (Scarlet Heroes, Stars Without Number Indifferent
    • Symbaroum Haven't seen anything political from them
    • Schwalb Entertainment (Shadow of the Demon Lord) They bent the knee a while back and put a pro BLM message though it has been taken down since, so they get to be green for now. More information is needed

    Yellow
    Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke

    • Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) Giving them the benefit of the doubt for now unless someone shows otherwise but this was posted last year https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/
    • Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
    • Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
    • Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
    • Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands
    • Monte Cook Games Poor Monte, used to make some good stuff. Tends to push things like consent forms in gaming, some stuff on mental illness but otherwise panders
    • Mongoose Games Had a don't be a dick section in paranoia, recommended by poster. Open for debate whether yellow or green
    • Modiphious Publishes some woke products, but doesn't seem to only publish woke products
    • Pinnacle Entertainment (Savage Worlds/Deadlands) Removed the CSA from Deadlands and removed a lot of the old art that might offend anyone particuarly anything with partial nudity or more risque outfits. Also made sure there weren't "too many white guys" in their core rulebook. Still pretty solid but they pander or cave to demands occasionally
    • Hero Games Hires sensitivity readers
    • GURPs/Steve Jackson Games Banned by rpg net for not being woke, though some of the devs might be. Steven Jackson signed onto october surprise, so he did come down with a case of TDS
    • Free League Standard "Gaming is for everyone" spiel, could go either way. Published forbidden lands, which slips in some anti woke themes. Yellow leaning Green
    • Atlas Games (Ars Magica) President of Atlas-Games has total TDS and is another blue checkmark. Unsure of how badly it shows in there games. For now its yellow bordering on red.
    • Edge Studios Acquired all of FFG rpg line, they toe the standard line and employ quite a few hardcore sjws
    • Reaper Miniatures Had some drama about an employee getting into a fight with some antifa sympathizer. Read this and make up your own mind https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6txuht/reaper_miniatures_may_have_fired_a_guy_for_shit/


    Red
    Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
    • Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
    • Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
    • Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
    • Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
    • Renegade Game Studios/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
    • Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
    • New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
    • Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
    • Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
    • Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
    • Ockult Ortmastare Games/Stockholm Cartell (Mork Borg) - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters
    • Sigil Stone Publishing (Five Torches Deep) Just read the last page in FTD Origins. Titled: "BIOESSENTIALISM, RACISM, AND COLONIALISM
    • Pelgraine Press (13th Age)  "The thing about SWGs (Straight White Guys) is that they make great punching bags. " Still need a citation for this but for now its going red. Also published #Feminism
    • Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Partnered with Diogo Nogueira
    • Kobold Press Guide to game mastering has a whole section telling the reader to "check your privilege"
    • The Design Mechanism ( Released a video stating if you voted for a certain political candidate you're not welcome to buy their game. They since deleted the video 
    • Monte Cook Games (Numenera) Partners with Shanna Germain and wrote consent in gaming. Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red
    • Arcanist Press Only make diversity products, they based their company on being woke
    • Gencon A convention, but honorary assholes none the less. They go a bit ban happy, see Jeremy Hambley and the whole thing with "nu-tsr" despite being short lived.
    • Coyote & Crow Bunch of actual racists making a racist game. Screeching about colonization and the whole premise of their game is what if white people didn't exist. One of the worst offenders on this list.
    • Magpie Games (Avatar Legends RPG) Way into BLM and "Diversity and Inclusion, also hired Daniel Kwan from Asians Represent Youtube channel. They tried to get Oriental Adventures banned from one bookshelf and other storefronts. Markets their game as non western storytelling.
    • Old Skull Publishing  Diogo Nogueira who threatened to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.

    This is so far the most up to date version of the list.
    « Last Edit: August 18, 2021, 01:18:57 PM by Ocule »
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    Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    « Reply #329 on: August 17, 2021, 05:38:17 PM »
    ...
    Red
    Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
    • ...
    • Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Owner Diogo Nogueira threatening to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
    • ...

    Huh, Gallant Knight Games being red, in both senses of the word, is unexpected. They published and still sell Larry Correia's "Monster Hunter International RPG: Savage World's Edition", so I would have figured they wouldn't be all that bad. Good to know going forward. And good for Larry managing to work with these guys.