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Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AMDo your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying ... <something you remember>

That's some pretty cursory "research" right there! (And some pretty fuzzy memory to boot).

Let me get something straight.  My give a fuck level about this topic extends to posting on this forum and only because it's entertaining and there's some smart/eloquent people on here.  Nor am I gobbling some quasi internet celebrity's nuts as seems to be the trend these days.  I'm reading on this thread about the destruction of the hobby by some radical faction.  But to me it just appears to be the usual twats being twats and the hobby will survive intact.

Yeah, you don't know what you're poo-pooing, don't want to look into it, but it needs to go away or you'll call people twats. Got it. Concern Troll is VERY VERY concerned about thing.

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 07:34:05 PM

Quote from: Zalman on August 12, 2021, 07:22:43 PM

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AMDo your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying ... <something you remember>

That's some pretty cursory "research" right there! (And some pretty fuzzy memory to boot).

Let me get something straight.  My give a fuck level about this topic extends to posting on this forum and only because it's entertaining and there's some smart/eloquent people on here.  Nor am I gobbling some quasi internet celebrity's nuts as seems to be the trend these days.  I'm reading on this thread about the destruction of the hobby by some radical faction.  But to me it just appears to be the usual twats being twats and the hobby will survive intact.

1.- Fuck the Quartering
2.- His attacker and him settled and there was some NDA so we don't know much but the attacker wouldn't have settled if he could win the law suit. Plus there were witnesses.
3.- The Hobby will survive intact since I don't think we'll get to the point of the thought police breacking your door looking for wrong fun RPGs.
4.- Some of the publishers that catter to the hobby might not survive intact.
5.- The point of the thread is to have an easy place to check to who you're giving your hard earned money. If you don't care that company X is in bed with the woke racists then by all means go buy from them. If you want to buy from Varg (the other side of the same ugly coin) by all means go for it. But...
6.- IF you don't want to give money to people that hate you, promote racist and sexist ideologies, and probably want to see you & yours destroyed, then this list is a good resource.
7.- IF you agree with said racist and sexist ideologies then this list helps you not to give money to the suspected istophobes.

Quote from: TheShadowSpawn on August 12, 2021, 03:04:12 PM
It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.

Per the Reaper listing:

I am not at all confident in the reliability or accuracy of Ian Miles Cheong as he is a click bait shit stirrer, and Daily Caller is a right wing news/opinion  blogger/aggregator thing so again their content is slanted. This is not anything like an objective report.

But this article at least gets you a name, approx. date, the venue being facebook, and other particulars.

https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/15/toy-company-reprimands-employee-for-condemning-antifa/

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Reaper maintained a pro BLM statement on their latest news section of their front page as recently as June 2021.

Quote from: palaeomerus on August 12, 2021, 08:23:43 PM

Quote from: TheShadowSpawn on August 12, 2021, 03:04:12 PM
It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.

Per the Reaper listing:

I am not at all confident in the reliability or accuracy of Ian Miles Cheong as he is a click bait shit stirrer, and Daily Caller is a right wing news/opinion  blogger/aggregator thing so again their content is slanted. This is not anything like an objective report.

But this article at least gets you a name, approx. date, the venue being facebook, and other particulars.

https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/15/toy-company-reprimands-employee-for-condemning-antifa/

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Reaper maintained a pro BLM statement on their latest news section of their front page as recently as June 2021.

I really don't think he was fired, as weeks after the incident he was giving a tour of the facility. Maybe my dates are mixed up but I don't think so

The virtue signaling is troublesome , but almost every large company did that during the riots. Of anything I'd keep them on yellow.

That's all I know about it that I can document and I just raised the issue, I didn't assign anyone any score or anything like that.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 12, 2021, 08:09:26 PM

1.- Fuck the Quartering

The Quartering was the canary in the coal mine.  Next it could be you, or me who gets blindsided.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 12, 2021, 08:09:26 PM

1.- Fuck the Quartering

The Quartering was the canary in the coal mine.  Next it could be you, or me who gets blindsided.

You didn't read my whole post? or choose to quote mine me?

There is an important distinction between cancel culture and people as a group boycotting products.  Getting someone or something canceled cripples their ability to sell it.  It gets them banned off of drivethrurpg, it gets their paypal account shut down, it gets them evicted from their office.  A canceled small business is basically destroyed.  A boycott may inflict economic harm on a business in lost revenue from people who learn about the boycott and don't buy when they otherwise might have, but it does not otherwise hamper them creating or selling their product.  What is going on here is a boycott, it is not a cancellation.

That is not to say that a boycott can't eventually cripple something, "get woke go broke" comes precisely from companies alienating enough of their customers that the resulting boycott caused financial demise.  But it doesn't involve underhanded tactics like getting them cut off from their payment processors and banned from stores and conventions.

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 12, 2021, 05:48:00 PMI don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.

This statement could easily be taken from any proto-wokester's social media from a few years ago. The spirit is the same: damning people for Wrongthink.

No.

Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on August 12, 2021, 11:17:11 PM
Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.

If you play the Prisoner's Dilemma and you always cooperate, and the other person always betrays, you lose. Playing tit-for-tat is the only way to establish any kind of meaningful equilibrium without getting completely steamrolled.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on August 12, 2021, 11:17:11 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 12, 2021, 05:48:00 PMI don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.

This statement could easily be taken from any proto-wokester's social media from a few years ago. The spirit is the same: damning people for Wrongthink.

No.

Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.

Do what you want. I'll do what I want.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on August 12, 2021, 11:17:11 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 12, 2021, 05:48:00 PMI don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.

This statement could easily be taken from any proto-wokester's social media from a few years ago. The spirit is the same: damning people for Wrongthink.

No.

Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.

Wrong, we're damning people for their actions, for their support of murderous movements, of racist and sexist ideologies, for giving them aid and cover.

Another important difference: We're not trying to get them destroyed, we're just choosing not to buy from people that hate us.

You might think that buying from the invading army isn't relevant and you'd be wrong.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 13, 2021, 02:08:29 AM
Wrong, we're damning people for their actions, for their support of murderous movements, of racist and sexist ideologies, for giving them aid and cover.

Another important difference: We're not trying to get them destroyed, we're just choosing not to buy from people that hate us.

You might think that buying from the invading army isn't relevant and you'd be wrong.

This is getting good.  Who's getting murdered?   When you say racist/sexist...you're talking about white dudes?

Quote from: TheShadowSpawn on August 12, 2021, 09:00:05 PM

Quote from: palaeomerus on August 12, 2021, 08:23:43 PM

Quote from: TheShadowSpawn on August 12, 2021, 03:04:12 PM
It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.

Per the Reaper listing:

I am not at all confident in the reliability or accuracy of Ian Miles Cheong as he is a click bait shit stirrer, and Daily Caller is a right wing news/opinion  blogger/aggregator thing so again their content is slanted. This is not anything like an objective report.

But this article at least gets you a name, approx. date, the venue being facebook, and other particulars.

https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/15/toy-company-reprimands-employee-for-condemning-antifa/

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Reaper maintained a pro BLM statement on their latest news section of their front page as recently as June 2021.

I really don't think he was fired, as weeks after the incident he was giving a tour of the facility. Maybe my dates are mixed up but I don't think so

The virtue signaling is troublesome , but almost every large company did that during the riots. Of anything I'd keep them on yellow.

Yellow (bellied) sounds appropriate to me!

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on August 12, 2021, 11:17:11 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 12, 2021, 05:48:00 PMI don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.

This statement could easily be taken from any proto-wokester's social media from a few years ago. The spirit is the same: damning people for Wrongthink.

No.

Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.

   Well, first off you have been a touch hyperbolic in this thread in saying you would buy from Hitler.  If so, well, I wont stop you, but expecting anyone else to show that level of tolerance is asking a tremendous amount.  Second of all, alot of Wrongthink is getting shouted into kid's ears in school here in the USA, and I think people have just about had their limit on that one.  Thirdly, let's be honest...anyone who is overtly political to a side will put that in their work, and IME their work will suck.   So if they are going that strong politically it is a very good signal that their products are going to be a hard pass anyway.