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Author Topic: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies  (Read 620547 times)

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« Reply #270 on: August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AM »
I saw the list.  With a few exceptions most of those in red are either woke pandering, virtue signaling or just plain stating their ideology.  I want the juicy “radical left destroying” stories.

Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

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« Reply #271 on: August 12, 2021, 08:28:43 AM »
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

When these creators tell me if I believe this, or vote that way, or belong to this group, they don't want my business, what would you propose I do?

I like all kinds of games.  OSR, 5e, hippy story games, and all kinds in between.  Some of the people on the "bad" lists make stuff I like.  I'm grown-up enough to handle people having different opinions from me.  But if a creator insists on making my decision political (looking at you Evil Hat), I guess I will.  I'm not cancelling anyone.  I'm doing what they asked.

Well said.  Thus the distinction in the list between yellow and red.  I'm willing to buy from some on the left that produce quality if they don't feel the need to go out of their way to alienate me. 

When I suspected that X might be an idiot, I could overlook it.  When said idiot left no doubt that they were that and also a power-mad jackass, and went out of their way to make sure I knew it, it is past the ignore stage.

Then there are those that habitually deny the state of affairs.  They are either incredibly stupid/ignorant, liars, or fools.  There are no other alternatives. Use whichever one you think is most charitable in each situation.   (Free hint.  It varies, but once you can't tell the difference in behavior, it becomes kind of academic when dealing with the far left and their apologists.)

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« Reply #272 on: August 12, 2021, 11:47:09 AM »
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

  Overt politicization will contribute to the (lack) of quality of a game.  There is no purported politics, they are often overt, that list I can not speak to, but someone like Crawford is loud and proud. 
  You put cancel culture in quotes as if it is not a real thing.  Not buying things from people who overtly hate you is NOT cancel culture.  Trying to end someone's career or any position in public life is.  If you are going to use words, understand them first IMO.

So Reaper Miniature is on the list.  I'm very curious to know how they've shown they hate you. 

If people didn't buy from companies that hate their customers, none of us would have cable/internet. 
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« Reply #273 on: August 12, 2021, 12:02:04 PM »
Anyone remember those days when we just played RPGs and had to carefully hide that fact from the stupid, arrogant people?

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« Reply #274 on: August 12, 2021, 01:05:39 PM »
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

  Overt politicization will contribute to the (lack) of quality of a game.  There is no purported politics, they are often overt, that list I can not speak to, but someone like Crawford is loud and proud. 
  You put cancel culture in quotes as if it is not a real thing.  Not buying things from people who overtly hate you is NOT cancel culture.  Trying to end someone's career or any position in public life is.  If you are going to use words, understand them first IMO.

So Reaper Miniature is on the list.  I'm very curious to know how they've shown they hate you. 

If people didn't buy from companies that hate their customers, none of us would have cable/internet.

  You should be more curious as to how you are quoting and responding to me and clearly did not read what I said.

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« Reply #275 on: August 12, 2021, 02:53:23 PM »
I saw the list.  With a few exceptions most of those in red are either woke pandering, virtue signaling or just plain stating their ideology.  I want the juicy “radical left destroying” stories.

I tried to keep most of the explanations concise, or to point the reader in a direction they can google. It would be a novel if I documented all the reasons why they went insane.

When going up against people with no morality where nothing is off limits or taboo it is the most dangerous of opponents. Because they are willing to do anything to win, and get their way. Someone who goes into a battle with things like honor, pride etc it is a weakness because it can be exploited. This doesn't mean stoop to their level and throw your own morality out the window in order to win, at the same time need to be able to take steps to prevent them from utilizing a weapon that you won't touch. In this case cancel culture. Here we are striking back by giving more attention to the canceled, directing people to look into their products. If they aren't good then don't buy them but you never know, you might find something you really enjoy made by someone who doesn't want to see you put up against a wall and shot.

I'm not telling anyone to boycott anything, just know what you're buying and maybe find a new game line in the process.

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« Reply #276 on: August 12, 2021, 03:04:12 PM »
I saw the list.  With a few exceptions most of those in red are either woke pandering, virtue signaling or just plain stating their ideology.  I want the juicy “radical left destroying” stories.

I tried to keep most of the explanations concise, or to point the reader in a direction they can google. It would be a novel if I documented all the reasons why they went insane.

When going up against people with no morality where nothing is off limits or taboo it is the most dangerous of opponents. Because they are willing to do anything to win, and get their way. Someone who goes into a battle with things like honor, pride etc it is a weakness because it can be exploited. This doesn't mean stoop to their level and throw your own morality out the window in order to win, at the same time need to be able to take steps to prevent them from utilizing a weapon that you won't touch. In this case cancel culture. Here we are striking back by giving more attention to the canceled, directing people to look into their products. If they aren't good then don't buy them but you never know, you might find something you really enjoy made by someone who doesn't want to see you put up against a wall and shot.

I'm not telling anyone to boycott anything, just know what you're buying and maybe find a new game line in the process.

It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.

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« Reply #277 on: August 12, 2021, 04:59:21 PM »
I saw the list.  With a few exceptions most of those in red are either woke pandering, virtue signaling or just plain stating their ideology.  I want the juicy “radical left destroying” stories.

I tried to keep most of the explanations concise, or to point the reader in a direction they can google. It would be a novel if I documented all the reasons why they went insane.

When going up against people with no morality where nothing is off limits or taboo it is the most dangerous of opponents. Because they are willing to do anything to win, and get their way. Someone who goes into a battle with things like honor, pride etc it is a weakness because it can be exploited. This doesn't mean stoop to their level and throw your own morality out the window in order to win, at the same time need to be able to take steps to prevent them from utilizing a weapon that you won't touch. In this case cancel culture. Here we are striking back by giving more attention to the canceled, directing people to look into their products. If they aren't good then don't buy them but you never know, you might find something you really enjoy made by someone who doesn't want to see you put up against a wall and shot.

I'm not telling anyone to boycott anything, just know what you're buying and maybe find a new game line in the process.

It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.

I updated reaper, I’ve been at least trying to verify rumors
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Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
« Reply #278 on: August 12, 2021, 05:48:00 PM »
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

I don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.
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« Reply #279 on: August 12, 2021, 06:26:50 PM »
Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the “he’s a nazi” talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that’s the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I’m not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.
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« Reply #280 on: August 12, 2021, 07:00:14 PM »
Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the “he’s a nazi” talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that’s the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I’m not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

People getting their ass wooped for talking shit is what this whole thread is all about.

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« Reply #281 on: August 12, 2021, 07:22:43 PM »
Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying ... <something you remember>

That's some pretty cursory "research" right there! (And some pretty fuzzy memory to boot).
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« Reply #282 on: August 12, 2021, 07:34:05 PM »
Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying ... <something you remember>

That's some pretty cursory "research" right there! (And some pretty fuzzy memory to boot).

Let me get something straight.  My give a fuck level about this topic extends to posting on this forum and only because it’s entertaining and there’s some smart/eloquent people on here.  Nor am I gobbling some quasi internet celebrity’s nuts as seems to be the trend these days.  I’m reading on this thread about the destruction of the hobby by some radical faction.  But to me it just appears to be the usual twats being twats and the hobby will survive intact.   

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« Reply #283 on: August 12, 2021, 08:01:47 PM »
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

  Overt politicization will contribute to the (lack) of quality of a game.  There is no purported politics, they are often overt, that list I can not speak to, but someone like Crawford is loud and proud. 
  You put cancel culture in quotes as if it is not a real thing.  Not buying things from people who overtly hate you is NOT cancel culture.  Trying to end someone's career or any position in public life is.  If you are going to use words, understand them first IMO.

So Reaper Miniature is on the list.  I'm very curious to know how they've shown they hate you. 

If people didn't buy from companies that hate their customers, none of us would have cable/internet.

Totally, I still remember when not buying a book left me incomunicated and without any TV for a month, it was horrible, think I might have developed PTSD from it. So I would be very thankfull if you used triggerwarnings before speaking about not having those things.
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« Reply #284 on: August 12, 2021, 08:03:22 PM »
Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the “he’s a nazi” talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that’s the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I’m not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

The Quartering went to Gencon and was at a bar outside the con talking to one Gygax's sons. He was attacked and documented his injuries on camera.

The attacker was Matt Loter, the owner of Elm City Games and Prettiest Princess Games who was am indie game designer who was at Gencon. He was wearing a 4 day pass around his neck when he came up behind the Quartering and started punching him in the back of the head. This happened in front of multiple witnesses.

Quartering managed to disentangle and retreated into the bar. Matt tried to follow. There was no bar security involved but bystanders kept the man out of the bar until he left. Some say Loter had someone else with him. The bar, the Tin Roof, tried to keep Quartering from calling the police and refused to let him look at any security camera footage and refused to speak to Indianapolis police when they arrived.

Quartering was thrown out of Gencon for talking about it on youtube and making Gencon look bad and unsafe. Matt Loter was not thrown out.

Matt was upset because Quartering had been going off on WotC over their Magic the Gathering event protocols claiming they had failed to screen out convicted pedophiles from running the events. Matt did not know the Quartering nor had he been addressed by the Quartering before the attack and he did not personally know the man until he could identify him as his attacker. This was Matt acting on rage about youtube content that not about himself.

The Quartering had been banned from official MtG events and cons for saying rude stuff on his Unsleeved Media youtube channel about some of the women who go to MtG events in costume and essentially pander to simps to get their picture taken with them for money. His youtube commentary was called harassment though legally it is not. There were also people trying to brigade against him on twitter and his fans were dogpiling those people.

This back and forth was part of the whole reason MtG started putting those " this is a safe inclusive store" posters up. They invented the toxic MtG unperson.

MtG also closed the Quartering's MtG steam game account and banned his copy of the online game taking all of the online cards he bought in the process. Quartering got his bank to process reverse charges on all transactions regarding the game on his credit card, so he got his money bank and the bank obviously did not buy into the TOS justifying that.

Quartering being a douche does not mean he deserved to be attacked by a mentally instable idiot. You don't get to kick someone's ass by sneaking up on them because they said things about MtG that you don't like and complained about paid cosplay models being used to lure people to MtG events and portrayed as high tier competitive players when they clearly are not. 

Quartering being a douche does not mean he deserved to be kicked off of MtG online, or out of Gencon for life.

Matt Loter was taken to civil court, funded by a legal go fund me set up by comic book Artists and youtuber Ethan VanSciver, because local police in Indianapolis would not act on it beyond taking a criminal complaint, mostly because the bar refused to get involved.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2018/08/02/the-quarterings-jeremy-hambly-attacked-at-gencon-2018/
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