Quote from: palaeomerus on August 05, 2021, 09:54:08 PM

"...while poor Dr. Carver died, penniless and insane, still trying to play a phonograph record with a peanut." - Shabazz K. Morton

Paizo is lucky the SJWs don't speak spanish nor are fluent in hispanic culture. Polyhedron #160 / Dragon #101 has a mini game called Iron Lords of Jupiter.

One of the races is called (I shit you not) Marikon, this is the homophone spanish equivalent of the "a bundle of sticks" homophobic slur.

If I weren't a principled person...

Quote from: Semaj Khan on August 05, 2021, 09:49:18 PM
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

See, I did not know that. That is indeed a horse of a different color.

I retract my previous statements then. Thanks for enlightening me.

No problem.  I thought it was a matter of simple misunderstanding...

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 10:40:58 AM

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

What is the consensus here?

He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

The Myfarog I saw was extremely racist.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

Ar, Ar Matey!

Please do not promote/encourage illegal filesharing on this forum. If you go beyond encouraging it to enabling it I would have no choice but to ban you, and I really don't want to do that.

I'm not of the opinion that filesharing is significantly harmful to sales, but this forum cannot tolerate filesharing being linked or directed to for reasons that are obvious.

I agree with RPGPundit:  Ninjas only!

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 11:07:47 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

Ar, Ar Matey!

Please do not promote/encourage illegal filesharing on this forum. If you go beyond encouraging it to enabling it I would have no choice but to ban you, and I really don't want to do that.

I'm not of the opinion that filesharing is significantly harmful to sales, but this forum cannot tolerate filesharing being linked or directed to for reasons that are obvious.

Got it.

I'm willing to give Goodman Games the benefit of the doubt.  A lot of people were caught up in the Black Lives Matter craze from last summer.  The fact is, if we purity test absolutely every publisher, we'll be gaming alone.  I will be watching their products closely for the appearance of ranty "No Fascists Allowed" disclaimers in their books.

I would like to direct your attention to an evergreen thread by Aaron the Pedantic about the difference between themes and direct political messaging.

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 06, 2021, 07:18:47 AM
I'm willing to give Goodman Games the benefit of the doubt.  A lot of people were caught up in the Black Lives Matter craze from last summer.  The fact is, if we purity test absolutely every publisher, we'll be gaming alone.  I will be watching their products closely for the appearance of ranty "No Fascists Allowed" disclaimers in their books.

I would like to direct your attention to an evergreen thread by Aaron the Pedantic about the difference between themes and direct political messaging.

Well, I agree to a certain extent. Most of the truly Woke crowd will be unable to resist putting their messaging as propaganda directly into their products.

However, there are some who don't. Some designers (myself included) are very obviously political in their public statements and yet do not port these politics into their products. None of my products have an overt (or even really covert) contemporary political partisanship in their content (I mean, maybe the closest I get to that might be The Invisible College, as it's a modern setting, but the political message is at best a clear preference for 18th century classical liberalism, and individualism over collectivism).

When it comes to Woke designers, the question then depends on whether what you care about is "do they make cool games that don't try to force feed you political propaganda?" OR "do the people who made these books and presumably will profit from them loudly proclaim an ideology that wants to see your country, family, or lives destroyed?".

Quote from: jhkim on August 05, 2021, 06:27:36 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: SHARK on August 05, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age!

Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:



But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 10:33:09 PM
Paizo is lucky the SJWs don't speak spanish nor are fluent in hispanic culture. Polyhedron #160 / Dragon #101 has a mini game called Iron Lords of Jupiter.

One of the races is called (I shit you not) Marikon, this is the homophone spanish equivalent of the "a bundle of sticks" homophobic slur.

If I weren't a principled person...

Maybe they did that on purpose?

'Imagine better worlds while tripping your balls off on peyote.'

That's kinda what I got out of that GMG pic. I mean, really guys...

Some other ones I needed more information on for the list is

• Lamentations of the Flame Princess
• For Gold and Glory
• Delving Deeper

For now I put these all under the green category for being either apolitical or in lamentation's case also being a target by the twitterati for cancelation.

Also thank you all for contributing to this thread, I think so far we have a sizeable list of companies that might be worth supporting or doing business with. I do kind of wish we had more accurate terms for them, since "woke" as a word is stupid, and some wear the SJW banner with pride despite its inaccuracy of having anything to do with justice. Grifter is too broad, and NPC is just an insult (not that they don't deserve it). "Leftie" or "Leftist" is a terrible description because of the arbitrary moving goal posts of left and right, just and even politically associated parties are not self descriptive. We need to coin a term that is both descriptive, and catchy leaving them unable to deny it. To name something is to exert power over it, as the activists have figured out. So lets name them and strip away all pretense and illusion.

I really like Delving Deeper. I'm really hoping that we hear something from the creators of Delving Deeper with respect to future updates, products, etc.

I want to see it on Amazon (not just Lulu) for purchase along with Basic Fantasy and Whitebox FMAG!

I'm hoping we see more products from Whitebox FMAG, too. I think it's a good product -- inexpensive on Amazon.

Quote from: Ocule on August 06, 2021, 10:09:00 AM
Some other ones I needed more information on for the list is

• Lamentations of the Flame Princess
• For Gold and Glory
• Delving Deeper

For now I put these all under the green category for being either apolitical or in lamentation's case also being a target by the twitterati for cancelation.

Also thank you all for contributing to this thread, I think so far we have a sizeable list of companies that might be worth supporting or doing business with. I do kind of wish we had more accurate terms for them, since "woke" as a word is stupid, and some wear the SJW banner with pride despite its inaccuracy of having anything to do with justice. Grifter is too broad, and NPC is just an insult (not that they don't deserve it). "Leftie" or "Leftist" is a terrible description because of the arbitrary moving goal posts of left and right, just and even politically associated parties are not self descriptive. We need to coin a term that is both descriptive, and catchy leaving them unable to deny it. To name something is to exert power over it, as the activists have figured out. So lets name them and strip away all pretense and illusion.

Hey, why not use their own terms against them (that's how "SJW" became a thing)?  These are companies that are "toxic" to fans that they don't like.  This can be our "Toxic Company" list. 

We could also separate the yellow from red and call the yellow "pandering companies", or perhaps "cowardly companies".

Or, how about simple "Ideologues."  Because that's the real problem.  They can't separate their ideology from their games.  And they demand everyone else do the same.  So they could legit be called totalitarian (in the more literal definition), because they demand all things to be about their ideology.  But that term might lead to some confusion...