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[List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies

Started by Ocule, August 03, 2021, 12:26:41 PM

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Quote from: trechriron on August 04, 2021, 09:11:33 PM
Just so you have someone to blame...

1) This is clearly a political thread. The term Woke is highly charged and not everyone agrees that being Woke is "bad wrong".
2) I reported it.
3) I hope it gets moved.

Are you wingnuts so butthurt you can no longer even have ONE reasonable normal conversation about RPGs? Seriously?

"Boo Hoo the mean libtards are ruining my life with Woke Memes. Boo Hoo"
Do people still view this site as a mostly rpg discussion site?

I would have thought it had obviously become a mostly culture war site quite some time ago.

Reckall

Quote from: SHARK on August 04, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
Greetings!

I read somewhere that Shanna Germain is into BDSM and all kinds of depraved kinks.

Tries to care...

...............................

...Nope.
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jeff37923

Quote from: SHARK on August 04, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
I read somewhere that Shanna Germain is into BDSM and all kinds of depraved kinks.

Don't blame BDSM and depraved kinks for Shanna Germain's RPG bullshit, it is both unfair and cruel to BDSM and depraved kinks.
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Palladium strikes me as probably being green, but that's because Kevin Siembieda is such a hilarious weirdo that trying to woke-ify him and his settings (Rifts especially) is utterly pointless. You wanna play a transgender three horned sex worker? Great, you're still a D-B (dimensional being) and the Coalition will still kill you off. I don't know if he's made any notable genuflections in the direction of wokeism. I just wish he'd make genuflections in the direction of geography.


PonchoGoblin

#96
There is a chance that Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs) is woke, although that might just be Diogo Nogueira, as he has endorsed the idea of putting a "Game not for Fascists" thing on RPGs, and I am fairly sure he was the one that said he wanted to, to quote, "punch Venger's teeth out at the next con"

Otherwise I would say North Wind Adventures (AS&SH) is green. Seems like Jeff just wants to game and also honor Gygax. There was a question about the game going slightly woke on his forum with 3e but he ignored it, and he did hire Diogo as the artist for classes, but aside from the new art being not as good imo, I don't think it influenced the writing.

Edit: Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) is woke but idk to what degree as I don't follow their games. I do remember a big spiel about identity and gender at the beginning of the newest Shadowrun edition but need more info
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Ocule

Added Palladium to green. I'm tempted to put games workshop into red even though they don't really make ttrpgs. I was getting discouraged early on especially after seeing who signed those insane statements that i'm sure will age like milk. But seeing more and more fall into the green category gives me hope that our hobby isnt entirely screwed.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
There is a chance that Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs) is woke, although that might just be Diogo Nogueira, as he has endorsed the idea of putting a "Game not for Fascists" thing on RPGs, and I am fairly sure he was the one that said he wanted to, to quote, "punch Venger's teeth out at the next con"

Otherwise I would say North Wind Adventures (AS&SH) is green. Seems like Jeff just wants to game and also honor Gygax. There was a question about the game going slightly woke on his forum with 3e but he ignored it, and he did hire Diogo as the artist for classes, but aside from the new art being not as good imo, I don't think it influenced the writing.

Could give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Really wish the whole fascist thing wasn't double speak for anyone who doesnt share my very specific world view.
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PonchoGoblin

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 09:28:14 AM
Added Palladium to green. I'm tempted to put games workshop into red even though they don't really make ttrpgs. I was getting discouraged early on especially after seeing who signed those insane statements that i'm sure will age like milk. But seeing more and more fall into the green category gives me hope that our hobby isnt entirely screwed.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
There is a chance that Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs) is woke, although that might just be Diogo Nogueira, as he has endorsed the idea of putting a "Game not for Fascists" thing on RPGs, and I am fairly sure he was the one that said he wanted to, to quote, "punch Venger's teeth out at the next con"

Otherwise I would say North Wind Adventures (AS&SH) is green. Seems like Jeff just wants to game and also honor Gygax. There was a question about the game going slightly woke on his forum with 3e but he ignored it, and he did hire Diogo as the artist for classes, but aside from the new art being not as good imo, I don't think it influenced the writing.

Could give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Really wish the whole fascist thing wasn't double speak for anyone who doesnt share my very specific world view.

I agree with that on Gallant Knight, just hope that he doesn't start injecting it as SS&SS is actually a pretty solid game. As for GW, considering they are now going after TTS and game modders with legal action for "hurting their IP", I'd put them in red just for awful treatment of people in the Warhammer hobby, regardless of wokeness. They'd probably outlaw 3D printers if they could lol
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HappyDaze

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 09:28:14 AM
Added Palladium to green. I'm tempted to put games workshop into red even though they don't really make ttrpgs. I was getting discouraged early on especially after seeing who signed those insane statements that i'm sure will age like milk. But seeing more and more fall into the green category gives me hope that our hobby isnt entirely screwed.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
There is a chance that Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs) is woke, although that might just be Diogo Nogueira, as he has endorsed the idea of putting a "Game not for Fascists" thing on RPGs, and I am fairly sure he was the one that said he wanted to, to quote, "punch Venger's teeth out at the next con"

Otherwise I would say North Wind Adventures (AS&SH) is green. Seems like Jeff just wants to game and also honor Gygax. There was a question about the game going slightly woke on his forum with 3e but he ignored it, and he did hire Diogo as the artist for classes, but aside from the new art being not as good imo, I don't think it influenced the writing.

Could give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Really wish the whole fascist thing wasn't double speak for anyone who doesnt share my very specific world view.
Using either Fascist or Marxist is useless for anything other than the virtue signaling of those flinging the term at people that disagree with them.

Torque2100

#100
I have been reading a lot of Free League and I would put them in the Yellow leaning Green category.   From what I have seen, a lot of their work is surprisingly based.

First, the Alien RPG.  The Alien franchise has always been built on intense psychological and sexual horror.  As I was reading it, I was bracing myself for the inevitable stupid section about safety tools.  Surely if any game is going to have a lecture about the necessity of X-cards, the game about a species of giant, murderous, parasitic penises that rape people's mouths and impregnate them with parasites that eat them from the inside out will.  To my surprise and relief, there wasn't one.  Unless there's a sidebar or paragraph I missed somewhere, I didn't see a single mention of X-cards or aftercare.  Good

The other work that I have found surprisingly Based is Forbidden Lands.  Forbidden Lands has some woke-isms such as calling Races "Kin."  However actually reading the text makes me think they are using surface level Woke-isms to sneak anti-Woke themes past the radar in a similar way to the Amazon streaming series "Man in the High Castle" did.  First, they don't see a need to make the setting look like Portland during Pride.  Basically all of the characters are White (this is a Swedish game).  Furthermore the setting is a part of the world that has been in near total isolation for at least 3 centuries due to magic killer mist so there's not much in the way of international trade or migration.

EDIT: Another point in Forbidden Land's favor is that the characters pictured are as physically fit as you would expect them to be, there's not a landwhale Acrobat to be seen.  Plenty of conventionally attractive women on display to.

On the subject of Seattle at Pride while there is one line that seems to imply that Elves (why is it always the long-ears but I digress) can change their gender, this is never confirmed.  The only confirmed non-traditionally gendered character, Meligal, is an evil monster who rapes children.  Yes this is right there in Raven's Purge's opening fiction.

The strongest anti-woke themes I'm seeing are in the depiction of Orcs.   They are almost a parody of the "Orcs equals African Americans" trope in modern woke fantasy.  Orcs in the Forbidden Lands were quite literally created by the god Clay in order to be slaves.  They were freed as a byproduct of a war between Humans, Elves and Dwarves and since then the Orcs have proceeded to do everything in their power to make their situation worse in every conceivable way.  Orcs have refused to grow beyond their trauma.  They think the fact they were dealt a bad hand in the distant past justifies genocide against other races and horrid mistreatment of their own (fully half of all Orc males are slaves, enslaved by other Orcs).  Orcish leadership are all Women.  Women who encourage this toxic victim mentality and the destructive behaviors that come with it in order to maintain their power.

tl;dr Orcs in the Forbidden Lands are a race at war with everyone else who blame everyone else for their own mostly self-inflicted problems and their leadership is secretive cabal of toxic feminists.   ;D

As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

This is probably still going to be a black mark in some people's book to have topical politics in the game at all, but I find it rather refreshing. "Getting crap past the radar" is one of the best methods of rebelling against any establishment power structure.   These tactics worked when the Religious Right had the social power to suppress speech.  I see no reason why they won't work now.

Ocule

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

What is the consensus here?
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Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
Edit: Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) is woke but idk to what degree as I don't follow their games. I do remember a big spiel about identity and gender at the beginning of the newest Shadowrun edition but need more info

I'm so glad I swapped the clunky SR rules for Savage Worlds, and am working on my own die pool system for when I return to the game in the future.

Ocule

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 05, 2021, 10:28:46 AM
Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
Edit: Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) is woke but idk to what degree as I don't follow their games. I do remember a big spiel about identity and gender at the beginning of the newest Shadowrun edition but need more info

I'm so glad I swapped the clunky SR rules for Savage Worlds, and am working on my own die pool system for when I return to the game in the future.

I google search turned up this https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/
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Armchair Gamer

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM
What is the consensus here?

  He's still on Twitter, but all I've picked up on from some stray references (I don't follow him and wouldn't if you paid me) is his recent contention that Tolkien was 'really' pagan and only practiced Catholicism because it was 'expected' for someone respectable in 20th century England ...