What's this ? But the opening post of this wonderful thread on reddit, of course.

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QuoteOk, I like the Greek Gods, or at least thought I did. But I'm starting to think I need a sanitized version, since they are too problematic in their original form, even for the Black Dog line.

How can I rationalize that they are morally more progressive (in that no means no, among other things) for players at the table. They don't need to be something from a Disney Cartoon, but I want them to feel authentic and believable, while not being HORRIBLE.

Now, on a scale from 0 to brain dead clam, how many neurons did you have to lose to write something like that ? I'm literally speechless.

Huh, well why don't they try taking Black Dog oWoD/cWoD back to a loving, self-sacrificing God like Jeebus?

I keed, I keed. The irony is far too blinding to all concerned.

Anyway, reddit seems to be redditting, so that's enough reddit for me this year.

I feel bad for the original writer of that post. He/she/it had no chance trying to fit these five words together over three short lines of text:

Problematic
Rationalize
Progressive
Authentic
Believable

It was never going to happen.

Quote from: Opaopajr on April 23, 2024, 04:30:44 AMAnyway, reddit seems to be redditting, so that's enough reddit for me this year.

Indeed.

Bruh, my favorite mythologies are Norse, Aztec, and Japanese. Do you think that Xipe Totec could ever be sanitized?

https://mythopedia.com/topics/xipe-totec

What about Tanuki with their ginormous ballsacks?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.onmarkproductions.com%2Fhtml%2Fslideshows%2Ftanuki-transparent-found-on-web.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=265c2b86e4ccdb3ee12868fc63288812426a1b327fec6231259487e946721234&ipo=images

Of course, all of you already know how problematic Norse mythology is, will all the white people and violence and such!

I don't like Greek Mythology a lot, but that's because it's like a never-ending soap opera/reality tv show where so many mortals and demi-gods get awful treatment for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Children. There are many books about the Greek gods that omit the nasty bits and these books are written for children. This person is asking to be coddled like a child.

Not that I agree the nasty bits should be omitted for children. Maybe just presented tastefully. Kids find that stuff interesting.

Quote from: NotFromAroundHere on April 23, 2024, 03:05:14 AMWhat's this ? But the opening post of this wonderful thread on reddit, of course.

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QuoteOk, I like the Greek Gods, or at least thought I did. But I'm starting to think I need a sanitized version, since they are too problematic in their original form, even for the Black Dog line.

How can I rationalize that they are morally more progressive (in that no means no, among other things) for players at the table. They don't need to be something from a Disney Cartoon, but I want them to feel authentic and believable, while not being HORRIBLE.

Now, on a scale from 0 to brain dead clam, how many neurons did you have to lose to write something like that ? I'm literally speechless.

Note, the original post has now been deleted.

Second, oh, it's for Mage... poster child for Gnostic/Progressive "I reject your reality and substitute my own" and "you're actually a god being held back by the failure of the masses to realize your brilliance" nonsense.

You have to be a braindead moron to embrace that game, and I should know, I spent quite a long period of my stupid youth playing and then running it until I figured out how toxic it was and came back to objective reality. If I could obliterate one OWoD game line so it never existed I'd nuke... Werewolf. But if I had a second, that would be Mage (honestly, with time, I've realized that lorewise the WoD peaked with Hunter's Hunted 1e and everything else with the exception of adding dhampirs has been downhill).

The Greek gods are vicious psychopaths. They're personifications of amoral capricious natural forces. They're akin to the Fair Folk of Celtic lore, not the all-loving self-sacrificing Jesus Christ.

They're supposed to be horrible. Anyone who think they're not villains is delusional. (Sorry, Percy Jackson fans.)

Quote from: Chris24601 on April 23, 2024, 08:26:40 AM

Quote from: NotFromAroundHere on April 23, 2024, 03:05:14 AMWhat's this ? But the opening post of this wonderful thread on reddit, of course.

(quoted for posterity if this thing should disappear)

QuoteOk, I like the Greek Gods, or at least thought I did. But I'm starting to think I need a sanitized version, since they are too problematic in their original form, even for the Black Dog line.

How can I rationalize that they are morally more progressive (in that no means no, among other things) for players at the table. They don't need to be something from a Disney Cartoon, but I want them to feel authentic and believable, while not being HORRIBLE.

Now, on a scale from 0 to brain dead clam, how many neurons did you have to lose to write something like that ? I'm literally speechless.

Note, the original post has now been deleted.

Second, oh, it's for Mage... poster child for Gnostic/Progressive "I reject your reality and substitute my own" and "you're actually a god being held back by the failure of the masses to realize your brilliance" nonsense.

You have to be a braindead moron to embrace that game, and I should know, I spent quite a long period of my stupid youth playing and then running it until I figured out how toxic it was and came back to objective reality. If I could obliterate one OWoD game line so it never existed I'd nuke... Werewolf. But if I had a second, that would be Mage (honestly, with time, I've realized that lorewise the WoD peaked with Hunter's Hunted 1e and everything else with the exception of adding dhampirs has been downhill).

I take the opposite approach in my freeform magic system. It doesn't operate on the conceit that reality operates on consensus and you reject it to substitute your own. It operates on the conceit that all magical traditions, like Wicca, Druidism, Mad Science, etc., are all imperfect incomplete visions of an original truth. Platonic shadows.

Any splat can learn magic, although usually you can only learn one or two different traditions without going crazy. My mage equivalent splat are reincarnating immortals from the Atlantis-Mu War in 100,000 BC, whose shtick is that they know meta-magic, allowing them to freely learn and mix all magical traditions.

Also, I hate WoD too. I wish there was alternatives...