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I was thinking on the topic of fighting back and not giving money to people that hate you, so I decided the best thing to do is make a compilation list of companies and rpgs that are woke, those that sit on the fence and those that are not. It might be helpful when looking at various rpgs to know what you are getting into before you buy in. If there are any other companies that you know of just comment with the company or rpg line and why you think it is. I'm sure ill get some stuff wrong here but it might be a good thing to have around.

• Amarillo Design Bureau (Prime Directive RPG)
• Arion Games (Advanced Fighting Fantasy 2e and Maelstrom)
• Autarch/ACKS
• Ben Laurence (Through Ultan's Door)
• BRW Games/Joseph Bloch (Adventures Dark and Deep) Strongly recommended on original thread, has taken an official stance to be apolitical Official Stance
• Columbia Games (Harnworld, Harnmaster, Block War Games) Aims for historical realism based on the medieval period. 
• Dark Wizard Games (OSR Adventures) Testimony from former employee
• Far Future Enterprises (Traveller 5th Edition)
• For Gold and Glory Nothing
• Free League Publishing (Tales from the Loop, Symbaroum, Coriolis) Standard "Gaming is for everyone" spiel, but otherwise has not done anything
• Frog God Games (Swords and Wizardry) Had an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry. This book is apparently referred to as the Vagina Book in house, and they seem to have learned their lesson. New information says that they were not pandering but they greenlit a sales pitch from the team of authors and artists that worked on that book. The company and creator both seem pretty solid.
• Goblinoid Games (Labyrinth Lord)
• Greg Gillispe (Barrowmaze)
• Heroic Maps (RPG Maps) Apparently did a few bundles that helped BLM organization but were likely just conned like everyone else. Apparently the owners are really nice and pleasant to work with.
• Ice Crown Enterprise (Rollmaster, HARP)
• Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper) 
• Kort'thalis Publishing/Venger Satanis (Alpha Blue, Cha'alt) Anti SJW, Strong stance on free speech
• Lamentations of the Flame Princess Edgelords, cannot be contained. They were on the receiving end of the cancel mob and twiterati for a while.
• Necrotic Gnome (Old School Essentials)    Officially Apolitical
• Basic Fantasy Has asked to remain neutral and not get involved in politics or drama
• OSRIC
• Palladium (Rifts) Does what they have always done, make gonzo worlds
• Mongoose Games (Paranoia) Has a don't be a dick section in Paranoia rpg
• North Wind Adventures (Astonishing Swordsman and Sorcerers of Hyperborea) 
• Petersen Games (Cthulhu Mythos among others) They tried to cancel him for thinking that men shouldn't compete in women's sports. Seems like a genuinely nice dude 
• Pinnacle Entertainment (Savage Worlds/Deadlands) Removed the CSA from Deadlands and removed a lot of the old art that might offend anyone particularly anything with partial nudity or more risque outfits. Allegedly made sure there weren't "too many white guys' ' in their core rulebook. Otherwise generally treat all of their customers with respect and strongly encourage 3rd party products and even allow them to keep all of their work as intellectual property.
• Post Mortem Studios (Tales of Gor, Punk RPG, Grimdark) Visit the storefront, can't imagine them giving a shit what people think
• Precis Intermedia (Genre Diversion System)
• Riot Minds (Trudvang, Lex Occultum)
• RPGPundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Authentic Historical games, doesn't mix his political views in his products. Outspoken Anti-SJW, and advocate for free speech and expression.
• Sasquatch Studio (Primeval Thule)
• Seffner Games Owned by veterans and has stated that they wish to be apolitical. It's a new company with only a few supplements that are basic D&D compatible so far, so go check them out.
• Schwalb Entertainment (Shadow of the Demon Lord)
• Sine Nomine (Scarlet Heroes, Stars Without Number)
• Stellagama Publishing (Cepheus, TSAO: These Stars Are Ours!)
• Studio Agate (Shadows of Esteren) Had some trouble with timelines on fulfilling crowdfunding, however maintains good relations with fans.
• Swordfish Islands (The Dark of Hot Springs Island)
• The Design Mechanism (Mythras, Mythic Earth, Classic Fantasy) Created a humorous video that featured some known politicians and social figures as part of an indigogo campaign. The video was not well received and was taken down; they have remained firmly apolitical since.
• Troll Lord Games (Castles and Crusades/Amazing Adventures/Siege Engine) Supports vets with big discounts, regularly interacts with fans.
• TSR Hobbies Takes a stand to be pro free speech and anti censorship. This is the new incarnation of TSR headed by Justin La Nasa and Ernie Gygax.
• Tenkar's Tavern/Eric Tenkar (Blog and Community) A "neutral ground" for an rpg community. Had some drama a few years ago about getting something pulled from one book shelf for it's description having ACAB on it, which ruffled some feathers on the anti censorship side however he has contributed so much good to the hobby. He has produced a few supplements on DTRPG
• Whitebox (FMAG)
• WizardThiefFighter (Ultra Violet Grasslands)
• Wizard Tower Games (Open World RPG) Stood against threats and openly stated they will not be censored or coerced

• Atlas Games (Ars Magica) President of Atlas-Games has total TDS and is another blue checkmark. Unsure of how badly it shows in their games. For now it's yellow bordering on red.
• Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) Giving them the benefit of the doubt for now unless someone shows otherwise but this was posted last year  Statement on Social Justice
• Chaosium (Runequest, Call of Cthulhu, Pendragon) "Chaosium has Lynne Hardy who labelled Masks of Nyarlathotep as racist and therefore Larry DiTillo as racist also. She did this while acting as Chaosium's political commissar on the 7e version of Masks the results of which were BLM supporting additions and gender and race swapping NPCs to conform to woke quotas... In RuneQuest Glorantha they are progressively removing white people. At first the Pelorians were to remain pale but given recent artwork I doubt that. I think the only one that could still be white are Ygg Islanders who are a sort of Scandinavian people. But since the Opening of the seas most of them have left the island as Wolf Pirates and have now thoroughly mixed with other cultures. Cults (and game mechanics) have been rewritten to please the leftest females around Jeff Richards as well...growing Sandy Petersen under the bus on social media despite official response on this forum that Chaosium has people with wide ranging viewpoints that are supported by the company. What should tip them over is Pendragon 6e given that David Larkins is heading this up and there have been calls for all NPCS to be a 50%/50% gender split and it's a given that female knights will be mandated."-Gagarth
• Cubicle 7 (Age of Sigmar RPG, Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 4th Edition, Wrath and Glory, Adventures in Middle Earth) - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans aren't generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I haven't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
• Edge Studios (Star Wars, Genesis RPG) Acquired all of FFG rpg line, they toe the standard line and employ quite a few hardcore post modernists
• Enworld (Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition) Tagline is "DIVERSITY. DEPTH. CHOICE" and amongst new classes it promises "A new approach to heritage; characters are a diverse lot" & "'Race' separated into heritage and culture." Unleashed Pitch fork mob on Ernie Gygax after interview with nu-TSR by poster.
• Fantasy Flight Games (Board Games, Star Wars RPG, Star Wars Legion, Legend of the 5 Rings 5th Edition) They gender and race swap established characters, ban words that they considered offensive like shouting "Banzai" before a TCG event, and generally allow people to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They don't constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate them at least. They no longer produce RPGs or Star Wars Legion.
• Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs) Partnered with Diogo Nogueira. Has a strong relationship with Diogo as far as I know but I can't find examples of them actually doing anything wrong other than that.
• GURPs/Steve Jackson Games Signed October Surprise/Gamers for Hillary in 2020, which makes the stance official. However their products remain largely apolitical.
• Hero Games Hires sensitivity readers, otherwise hard to tell.
• Heroforge Miniatures They pander hard, are not overt about it but i'm sure they will do something stupid soon.
• Kobold Press Chapter 2 of "Guide to Gamemastering" has a whole section telling the reader to "check your privilege" and the whole thing kind of reads like a gender studies course or something. Actively disparages cis white males. Also known to charge writers for the chance to write for them, and then prides themselves on paying them a penny per word. However the book is an anthology from various authors and freelancers, so maybe being this even handed in a book is a good thing? Placed here because of their motivation for including such a scolding article is a bit weird.
• Reaper Miniatures Had some drama about an employee getting into a fight with some antifa sympathizer. Read this and make up your own mind  Accusation
• Talsorian Games (Cyberpunk 2020, Cyberpunk Red) They lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They haven't gone full crazy just yet. Mike Pondsmith, the owner, has been criticized by the cancel mob for not denouncing all cops and even being supportive of good cops.
• Tuesday Knight Games (Mothership RPG) Published the Dissident Whispers Zine the proceeds of which went directly to bailing out BLM rioters.
• Uslisses Spiele (Torg, Fading Suns, Dark Eye, Adventuria, Myth) Robert Adducci is their community manager, and is pretty much everything you'd imagine from your standard though he's a bit less actually vocal about it but he also ran Adventurers League for wizards of the coast. He gatekeeps pretty damn hard banning anyone who doesn't toe the line of wokeness. GIven that he is Ulisses Spiele community manager I don't doubt for a second he brings that attitude over. They also do a lot of work with people from other known companies, so I imagine they're gonna fall somewhere in the middle. But don't be surprised if they go full crazy in the near future. Employees - Ulisses Spiele (ulisses-us.com)

• Arc Dream Publishing (Delta Green) Delta Green Handlers guide has a whole section on Trump. They are actually more hostile to Trump than actual historical nazis.
• Arcanist Press Only make diversity products, they based their company on their politics
• Brittania Games (Chivalry & Sorcery, Land of the Rising Sun for 5e D&D) "... In this edition of the classic medieval fantasy game we have drawn on modern [i.e. Intersectional Marxist] research to present the Middle Ages as they really were; diverse and rich in cultural influences and visitors from outside Europe. If this does not reflect your vision of the Middle Ages, this is not the game for you." and "... In this edition of the classic medieval fantasy game we encourage you to break away from the bland white, male Middle Ages of yesteryear and make your game as rich and varied as the Middle Ages really were. If this does not reflect your vision of the Middle Ages, this is not the game for you" -Marxists automatically go here.
• BurningWheelHQ/Luke Crane (Burning Wheel, Torchbearer, Mouseguard) It was painful to put this one here because I remember I sort of enjoyed reading burning wheel back when Burning Wheel Gold first came out, it had some interesting ideas however I cannot ignore the fact that Luke Crane and his company have extremely close ties with Anita Sarkeesian (Feminist Frequency). You can find their selfies together online, as well as a report of her position being official on their old forums and any support of gamergate was forbidden. If you're a masochist here is a link however the old forums are gone and there is no link to the original post however you can easily find the interview with anita on youtube with Luke Crane.
• Evil Beagle Games/Sean Patrick Fannon Evil Beagle "Games is dedicated to the principles of Inclusivity, Diversity, Representation, and Kindness in the gaming community." and went rambling on about critical race theory being a driving factor. Asked to be on this list as red. Also SPF has accusations of sexual harassment, see here
• Evil Hat Productions/Fred Hicks (FATE RPG, Swords in the Dark)- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Also produces Thirsty Sword Lesbians with Gay Spaceship Games. Has gotten products pulled from one bookshelf, and tried to deplatform others. Has official stances on politics and must be intersectional feminist to play his games. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy 
• Gencon A convention, but honorary assholes nonetheless. They go a bit ban happy, see Jeremy Hambley and the whole thing with "nu-tsr" despite being short lived. Jeremy Hambly AKA The Quartering on youtube was assaulted by someone at Gencon, and banned for being the victim of a crime at the wrong place at the wrong time. It was founded by Peter Atkinson, former president of Wizards of the Coast.
• Goodman Games (Dungeon Crawl Classics) - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that, I can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM last year and donates to woke charities Charity Drive.  There is now an announcement that the next printing of DCC will be in all gender neutral pronouns we aren't sure what that means and released what sounded like a fairly politically driven warning for conventions. Also their convention rules go beyond what is reasonable DCO Policies.docx (goodman-games.com)
• Green Ronin (Blue Rose, Song of Ice and Fire RPG, Dragon Age RPG) - Chris Pramas is a self described member of ANTIFA Link (see his bio on twitter), has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG. Proto SJWs, they were making political statements in their games before anyone else was.
• Grim and Perilous Games (Zweihander, Flames of Freedom, Blackbird) Freakin Dumpster Fire, Official discord and forums heavily enforce Daniel fox's politics down to having a bot that blocks any message using banned words. A bunch of names are on that list. Flames of Freedom openly preaches against colonialism and white people, and has a heavy dose of historical revisionism, which is a fair critique of a supposed historical setting. Has allegedly stated if you are anti sjw or anti woke that you do not buy or play his games and will pay you for your copy. Also allegedly a self described "anarcho communist" both of these need citations but based on my own interactions and findings seem like reasonable assumptions
• Judges Guild (Bob Bledsaw II) Anti Semitism, see Judges Guild Controversy
• Kobold Press Chapter 2 of "Guide to Gamemastering" has a whole section telling the reader to "check your privilege" and the whole thing kind of reads like a gender studies course or something. Actively disparages cis white males. Also known to charge writers for the chance to write for them, and then prides themselves on paying them a penny per word.
• Magpie Games (Avatar Legends RPG) Way into BLM and "Diversity and Inclusion, also hired Daniel Kwan from Asians Represent Youtube channel. They tried to get Oriental Adventures banned from one bookshelf and other storefronts. Market their game as non western storytelling.
• Modiphius (Infinity, Vampire the Masquerade 5th Edition, Fallout RPG, Conan etc) Publishes some woke products, and feminizes Conan the Barbarian. Allegedly hires based on race. THese are also the current license holders for vampire the masquerade, which has been a trip to keep up with. See this Changes to Conan the Wanderer
• Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
• Monte Cook Games (Numenera) Partners with Shanna Germain and wrote consent in gaming. Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red
• MyFarog/Varg Vikerness Owns the blog Thulean Perspective, did time for murder, self described Neo Nazi, regularly posts anti semetic remarks. There is a good case to be made for these ideas to be actually in his game as well.
• Ockult Ortmastare Games/Stockholm Cartell (Mork Borg) - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters. View their License for yourself but we need some concrete examples of them actually using this Mork Borg 3rd Party License
• Old Skull Publishing/Diogo Nogueira (Sharp Swords and Sinister Spells) Was previously placed here for an unsubstantiated rumor, however has expressed a strong desire to remain in this category due to a strong feeling to those who don't specifically share his views. Keeps close relationships with self described communists as well. It's public on his twitter feed. Openly mixes politics with gaming as well Example: Experience Points: Oranoslob and the Cult of Hate and Lies (pontosdeexperiencia.com.br)
  
• Onyx Path Publishing (Chronicles of Darkness) Heavily enforces political requirements in their communities, games are full of post modernist and leftist themes and preaching to no end.
• Paizo (Pathfinder)- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play their game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
• Pelgrane Press (13th Age) "The thing about SWGs (Straight White Guys) is that they make great punching bags. " Still need a citation for this but for now it's going red. Also published #Feminism
• Renegade Game Studios (Vampire the Masquerade 5e) I believe these guys are the current name of who owns VtM. Not sure where to start with these guys, nonstop preaching, large chunks of their books will be ranting about fascists, right wing, and pretty much everyone they disagree with.
• Roll20 (Virtual Tabletop) Strongly supports BLM and woke titles, participates in fund raisers for those causes. Also refused to sponsor a live play by taking20, dawnforged cast and a few others because they "didn't need any more straight white guys." Not sponsering the video isn't the problem here, it's their reason is racist as fuck
• Sigil Stone Publishing (Five Torches Deep) Just read the last page in FTD Origins. Titled: "BIOESSENTIALISM, RACISM, AND COLONIALISM
  Stygian Fox (The Things We Leave Behind, Occams Razor, New Tales of the Miskatonic Valley) A transgender owner and fully inclusive team including a sexual and bisexuals. Hires favouring trans, people of colour, IDIC, and other minorities. Each book contains a trigger warning system and most covers has 'for mature gamers'. Produces Lovecraftian horror roleplaying books and often makes statements via twitter of inclusivity and stating 'if you're not like us, don't buy our books'. Definitely Red. Almost infra red. 'Woke' AF.
• Wizards of the Coast (Dungeons and Dragons) - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 02:15:00 PM
If Morg Borg is any indication, Free League might be yellow or red (they use the wording of their OGL for the game to basically shoot down authors they disagree with). Autarch (ACKS) is definitely green unless something changed since a thread similar to this in August (mostly just lurked, finally made an account).

I would also put Goodman Games as yellow, as well as Frog God.

Edit: Evil Hat should be the biggest Red on there.

Quote from: Merrill on August 03, 2021, 02:23:33 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 02:15:00 PM
If Morg Borg is any indication, Free League might be yellow or red (they use the wording of their OGL for the game to basically shoot down authors they disagree with). Autarch (ACKS) is definitely green unless something changed since a thread similar to this in August (mostly just lurked, finally made an account).

I would also put Goodman Games as yellow, as well as Frog God.

Edit: Evil Hat should be the biggest Red on there.

I would hope Free League isn't woke. I like their products. Is there something you can point me to (link) on this?

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 03, 2021, 02:28:52 PM
Also, no Evil Hat? Or is it just a given they are a woke hot mess?

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 02:28:09 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 03, 2021, 02:23:33 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 02:15:00 PM
If Morg Borg is any indication, Free League might be yellow or red (they use the wording of their OGL for the game to basically shoot down authors they disagree with). Autarch (ACKS) is definitely green unless something changed since a thread similar to this in August (mostly just lurked, finally made an account).

I would also put Goodman Games as yellow, as well as Frog God.

Edit: Evil Hat should be the biggest Red on there.

I would hope Free League isn't woke. I like their products. Is there something you can point me to (link) on this?

https://twitter.com/morkborg/status/1272231708646158336

Likewise in their OGL at the end of Mork Borg, they state that they reserve legal right to not have their OGL open to content that they deem racist, sexist, homophobic, or hateful.

Quote from: Merrill on August 03, 2021, 02:41:13 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 02:28:09 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 03, 2021, 02:23:33 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 02:15:00 PM
If Morg Borg is any indication, Free League might be yellow or red (they use the wording of their OGL for the game to basically shoot down authors they disagree with). Autarch (ACKS) is definitely green unless something changed since a thread similar to this in August (mostly just lurked, finally made an account).

I would also put Goodman Games as yellow, as well as Frog God.

Edit: Evil Hat should be the biggest Red on there.

I would hope Free League isn't woke. I like their products. Is there something you can point me to (link) on this?

https://twitter.com/morkborg/status/1272231708646158336

Likewise in their OGL at the end of Mork Borg, they state that they reserve legal right to not have their OGL open to content that they deem racist, sexist, homophobic, or hateful.

WOW! that Twitter post. What is Free League thinking? Saying that proceeds from your book sales are going to go to bailing out BLM rioters?

I have a full set of Vaesen books, dice, and a screen --it is all being given away to a buddy in my gaming group tomorrow. Never playing it

Quote from: Ocule on August 03, 2021, 02:46:59 PM
Hurray for the replies im glad this is something that seems needed, though it might take me a bit to start getting all these companies up there. Yeah I forgot evil hat, they get their place on the wall of shame where they belong. Kind of wish i had a nice accurate list like this before I made some purchases. Some of these companies are new for me so i'm having to look them up, fortunately the worst offenders dont take much more than a google search or twitter search to see exactly what they stand for

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 02:57:11 PM

Quote from: Ocule on August 03, 2021, 02:46:59 PM
Hurray for the replies im glad this is something that seems needed, though it might take me a bit to start getting all these companies up there. Yeah I forgot evil hat, they get their place on the wall of shame where they belong. Kind of wish i had a nice accurate list like this before I made some purchases. Some of these companies are new for me so i'm having to look them up, fortunately the worst offenders dont take much more than a google search or twitter search to see exactly what they stand for

It's all good! There were some posts in August that may have a few more that you list. I would also honestly put Necrotic Gnome in green. Gavin makes it a point to shut down politics, regardless of side, on all forums and socials regarding his game. Hell, he was even asked a political question in an interview once and shot the interviewer down. Likewise, I know the author of Basic Fantasy, while left-leaning, does the same thing because he doesn't want his game politicized.

Quote from: Ocule on August 03, 2021, 02:59:34 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 02:57:11 PM

Quote from: Ocule on August 03, 2021, 02:46:59 PM
Hurray for the replies im glad this is something that seems needed, though it might take me a bit to start getting all these companies up there. Yeah I forgot evil hat, they get their place on the wall of shame where they belong. Kind of wish i had a nice accurate list like this before I made some purchases. Some of these companies are new for me so i'm having to look them up, fortunately the worst offenders dont take much more than a google search or twitter search to see exactly what they stand for

It's all good! There were some posts in August that may have a few more that you list. I would also honestly put Necrotic Gnome in green. Gavin makes it a point to shut down politics, regardless of side, on all forums and socials regarding his game. Hell, he was even asked a political question in an interview once and shot the interviewer down. Likewise, I know the author of Basic Fantasy, while left-leaning, does the same thing because he doesn't want his game politicized.

I actually just got into old school essentials and im glad to hear that. I'm not one who needs the politics in my ttrpgs to be my politics, i'd rather just not have them there at all.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 03:12:42 PM
Honestly OSE is such a great product imo. The fit and finish is great, and my leather Rules Tome is one of the few RPG books I own that I would honestly describe as something close to an heirloom piece. Not a massive fan of the advanced content though.

Quote from: Ocule on August 03, 2021, 03:38:42 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 03:12:42 PM
Honestly OSE is such a great product imo. The fit and finish is great, and my leather Rules Tome is one of the few RPG books I own that I would honestly describe as something close to an heirloom piece. Not a massive fan of the advanced content though.

Trying not to get too off topic here but curious whats wrong with the advanced content? I just got the rules tome as of right now so i havn't really even looked at the advanced content.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on August 03, 2021, 08:59:03 PM
The Design Mechanism should go in the red column.

Quote from: Shasarak on August 03, 2021, 09:54:46 PM
You could probably make a good start with the people signing this letter:

https://www.facebook.com/mike.selinker/posts/10154136089112309 (https://www.facebook.com/mike.selinker/posts/10154136089112309)

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 03, 2021, 02:28:52 PM
I would put Chaosium into the yellow:

They changed up the peoples of Dragon Pass making a Celt leaning people far more Mediterranean in the new edition of RuneQuest.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 10:00:24 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on August 03, 2021, 09:54:46 PM
You could probably make a good start with the people signing this letter:

https://www.facebook.com/mike.selinker/posts/10154136089112309 (https://www.facebook.com/mike.selinker/posts/10154136089112309)

Good on Mentzer for that reply, wow

Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on August 03, 2021, 10:11:10 PM
These days wouldn't it be easier to make a list of "non-woke" companies?

Quote from: Ocule on August 03, 2021, 12:26:41 PM

I was thinking on the topic of fighting back and not giving money to people that hate you, so I decided the best thing to do is make a compilation list of companies and rpgs that are woke, those that sit on the fence and those that are not. It might be helpful when looking at various rpgs to know what you are getting into before you buy in. If there are any other companies that you know of just comment with the company or rpg line and why you think it is. I'm sure ill get some stuff wrong here but it might be a good thing to have around.

Green
Not Woke or Indifferent

• RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
• Troll Lord Games Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
• Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
• Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
• Autarch/ACKS no indication one way or the other
• Necrotic Gnome Makes a point to be apolitical
• Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products

Yellow
Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke

• Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
• Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
• Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
• Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
• Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands

Red
Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.

• Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
• Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
• Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
• Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
• Mophidious/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
• Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
• New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
• Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
• Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
• Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
• Free League - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters

Unknown

• GURPs/Steve Jackson Games
• Palladium
• Whitebox
• For Gold and Glory
• Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper)
• OSRIC

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QuoteClassic rpgs are rooted in colonialist, racist, and other bigoted concepts. Going into new areas, killing monsters, and stealing their stuff is largely based on the cruel realities of historical and modern colonial conquest.

Quote from: Ocule on August 03, 2021, 12:26:41 PM

I was thinking on the topic of fighting back and not giving money to people that hate you, so I decided the best thing to do is make a compilation list of companies and rpgs that are woke, those that sit on the fence and those that are not. It might be helpful when looking at various rpgs to know what you are getting into before you buy in. If there are any other companies that you know of just comment with the company or rpg line and why you think it is. I'm sure ill get some stuff wrong here but it might be a good thing to have around.

Green
Not Woke or Indifferent

• RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
• Troll Lord Games Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
• Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
• Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
• Autarch/ACKS no indication one way or the other
• Necrotic Gnome Makes a point to be apolitical
• Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products

Yellow
Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke

• Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
• Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
• Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
• Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
• Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands

Red
Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.

• Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
• Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
• Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
• Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
• Mophidious/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
• Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
• New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
• Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
• Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
• Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
• Free League - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters

Unknown

• GURPs/Steve Jackson Games
• Palladium
• Whitebox
• For Gold and Glory
• Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper)
• OSRIC

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Quote from: palaeomerus on August 03, 2021, 06:39:16 PM
It is a bunch of paramilitary thugs raised in a dystopia with a Demolition Man like idiot culture and these poor people are out busting heads and purging each other so the crazy computer won't purge them and every damned one is a mutant and in a secret society which is grounds to be purged.

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 02:41:55 AM
Can't say I give a shit about the politics (stated or presumed) of the companies I buy from. Seems like I buy a lot from the yellow and red groups and almost nothing from the  green, but that's because I haven't found a single OSR product worth dropping money on (and I have a few free pdfs that don't make me want to spend any money on it either).  It's not a politics thing for me though, I just buy what I like.

Quote from: RebelSky on August 04, 2021, 03:16:40 AM
Gotta say I am surprised Monte Cook Games isn't in the red yet. They are the ones who put out the Consent in Gaming document and are the ones who decided to coin the term 'safety tool's if I remember correctly.

QuoteThe Heartwood, a complete fairy tale setting that draws upon the fictional concept of "madness" in a way that addresses our modern, realistic, and sensitive understanding of mental health. In this setting, characters touched with mental illness in the real world discover a realm where they are empowered, and the wild and imaginative adventures they have there allow them to find even greater strengths within themselves.

Quote from: Semaj Khan on August 04, 2021, 08:46:21 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 02:41:55 AM
Can't say I give a shit about the politics (stated or presumed) of the companies I buy from. Seems like I buy a lot from the yellow and red groups and almost nothing from the  green, but that's because I haven't found a single OSR product worth dropping money on (and I have a few free pdfs that don't make me want to spend any money on it either).  It's not a politics thing for me though, I just buy what I like.

^ This.

Quote from: Merrill on August 03, 2021, 02:13:51 PM
Monkey House Games: Jeff Dee's gaming company. The guy is maybe the biggest leftist, woke asshole in the history of the industry.

Quote from: AnthonyRoberson on August 04, 2021, 10:11:59 AM
Dammit. First I had to dump my Gloomhaven stuff after the Frosthaven fiasco. Now I have to get rid of my Conan and Forbidden Lands books, which I just ordered and haven't even received yet.

At least I still have Old School Essentials. That's a set of rules I really like...

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 02:41:55 AM
Can't say I give a shit about the politics (stated or presumed) of the companies I buy from. Seems like I buy a lot from the yellow and red groups and almost nothing from the  green, but that's because I haven't found a single OSR product worth dropping money on (and I have a few free pdfs that don't make me want to spend any money on it either).  It's not a politics thing for me though, I just buy what I like.

Quote from: AnthonyRoberson on August 04, 2021, 10:11:59 AM
Dammit. First I had to dump my Gloomhaven stuff after the Frosthaven fiasco. Now I have to get rid of my Conan and Forbidden Lands books, which I just ordered and haven't even received yet.

At least I still have Old School Essentials. That's a set of rules I really like...

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 04, 2021, 09:37:44 AM
And what of Pinnacle Entertainment Group? Sure, they rewrote the Deadlands backstory, but supposedly there is a logical reason for doing so? Other than that, I haven't seen any woke pandering from them. I'd say at worst, yellow?

Quote from: Ocule on August 03, 2021, 12:26:41 PM

I was thinking on the topic of fighting back and not giving money to people that hate you, so I decided the best thing to do is make a compilation list of companies and rpgs that are woke, those that sit on the fence and those that are not. It might be helpful when looking at various rpgs to know what you are getting into before you buy in. If there are any other companies that you know of just comment with the company or rpg line and why you think it is. I'm sure ill get some stuff wrong here but it might be a good thing to have around.

Green
Not Woke or Indifferent

• RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
• Troll Lord Games Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
• Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
• Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
• Autarch/ACKS no indication one way or the other
• Necrotic Gnome (Old School Essentials) Makes a point to be apolitical
• Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products
• OSRIC Hasn't given any indication of getting political
• Whitebox: FMAG No indication of getting poltical
• Goblinoid Games (Labyrinth Lord) No indication of getting political
• Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
• Post Mortem Studios (Tales of Gor, Punk RPG, Grimdark) Visit the storefront, can't imagine them giving a shit what people think

Yellow
Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke

• Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
• Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
• Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
• Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands
• Monte Cook Games Poor Monte, used to make some good stuff. Tends to push things like consent forms in gaming, some stuff on mental illness but otherwise panders
• Mongoose Games Had a don't be a dick section in paranoia, recommended by poster. Open for debate whether yellow or green
• Mophidious Publishes some woke products, but doesn't seem to only publish woke products
• Pinnacle Entertainment (Savage Worlds/Deadlands) Removed the CSA from Deadlands and removed a lot of the old art that might offend anyone particuarly anything with partial nudity or more risque outfits. Also made sure there weren't "too many white guys" in their core rulebook. Still pretty solid but they pander or cave to demands occasionally

Red
Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.

• Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
• Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
• Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
• Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
• Renegade Game Studios/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
• Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
• New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
• Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
• Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
• Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
• Ockult Ortmastare Games/Stockholm Cartell (Mork Borg) - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters
• Free League See Mork Borg
• Sigil Stone Publishing (Five Torches Deep) Just read the last page in FTD Origins. Titled: "BIOESSENTIALISM, RACISM, AND COLONIALISM
• Reaper Miniatures Fired a guy from criticizing antifa on a personal page. Antifa supporters are automatic red
• Pelgraine Press (13th Age)  "The thing about SWGs (Straight White Guys) is that they make great punching bags. " Still need a citation for this but for now its going red

Unknown

• GURPs/Steve Jackson Games
• Palladium Does what they have always done
• Zak S. (Lamentations of the Flame Princess)


• For Gold and Glory Nothing to suggest going woke
• Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper)
• Atlas Games (Ars Magica)
• Lion Rampant (Ars Magica) Devs turned into huge sjws, though i dont think it shows in the original games

• John Wick Presents (7th Sea) Dead Company

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• John Wick Presents (7th Sea) Dead Company

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Quote from: Aglondir on August 04, 2021, 12:07:13 PM
Steve Jackson Games is Green. They refused to bow to the Cancel Mob over the Bill Webb incident. Phil Reed got a ban (temporary?) for trying to explain to the purple idiots that the disad "slave mentality" in Gurps has zero to do with slavery, but they were too infantile and scared of words to comprehend.

Autarch is ACKS, right? It doesn't get much greener than that. AMacris posts here. Well known anti-woke libertarian. Banned from big purple because they hate him.

Hero Games is green, unless something has changed. I think some of the (former) designers are woke but it doesn't creep into the books.

Zweihander dude claimed his game was part of the woke Sword Dream movement. Created rainbow logo.

Quote from: Aglondir on August 04, 2021, 12:07:13 PM
Hero Games is green, unless something has changed. I think some of the (former) designers are woke but it doesn't creep into the books.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on August 04, 2021, 12:33:02 PMAnyone know anything about Triple Ace Games?

Quote from: Brand55 on August 04, 2021, 11:15:59 AM

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 04, 2021, 09:37:44 AM
And what of Pinnacle Entertainment Group? Sure, they rewrote the Deadlands backstory, but supposedly there is a logical reason for doing so? Other than that, I haven't seen any woke pandering from them. I'd say at worst, yellow?

Pinnacle is yellow. They aren't like WotC or Evil Hat but they do pander occasionally. In addition to changing Deadlands, they also caved to the outrage brigade over the Science Fiction Companion cover and made sure the art in the new Savage Worlds core book was focused on not showing too many white guys.

Quote from: kreegan on August 04, 2021, 12:21:45 PMhttps://freeleaguepublishing.com/en/about/fair-play-policy/

Quote from: hedgehobbit on August 04, 2021, 02:37:14 PM

Quote from: kreegan on August 04, 2021, 12:21:45 PMhttps://freeleaguepublishing.com/en/about/fair-play-policy/

"We want everyone to have this opportunity, without exception."

Then proceeds to list the exceptions.

QuoteWe at Free League Publishing strongly  believe that gaming should be for everyone; from every walk of life, every corner of the globe and any background. Games, and roleplaying games in particular, are a powerful tool to create and visit wondrous worlds in the imagination. We want everyone to have this opportunity, without exception.

Our games are meant to be used in the spirit of inclusion and equality. The subject matter of our games might sometimes be dark and explore mature themes, but around the table we should always treat each other with respect and sensitivity.

We promote fair play and safe gaming at conventions and events. Everyone should feel comfortable and secure playing our games. If this trust is broken, please let us know and we will coordinate and act together with convention management to remedy the situation.

Quote from: 1989 on August 04, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
"sensitivity" "safe"

Special, sensitive snowflakes need their safe spaces.

And if one of these special snowflakes feels unsafe, then don't worry ... Free League will "coordinate" to "remedy" the "situation".

Red flags much?

My Kindergarten was rougher than this.

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 03:52:18 PM

Quote from: 1989 on August 04, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
"sensitivity" "safe"

Special, sensitive snowflakes need their safe spaces.

And if one of these special snowflakes feels unsafe, then don't worry ... Free League will "coordinate" to "remedy" the "situation".

Red flags much?

My Kindergarten was rougher than this.

Not too different from the posters here that need safe spaces from the big bad woke game companies, eh?

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 03:52:18 PM
Not too different from the posters here that need safe spaces from the big bad woke game companies, eh?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on August 04, 2021, 05:58:06 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 03:52:18 PM
Not too different from the posters here that need safe spaces from the big bad woke game companies, eh?

  More a "let's avoid forcing our money and support on companies that want us driven out of the hobby," really.  ;)

Quote from: 1989 on August 04, 2021, 05:26:49 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 03:52:18 PM

Quote from: 1989 on August 04, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
"sensitivity" "safe"

Special, sensitive snowflakes need their safe spaces.

And if one of these special snowflakes feels unsafe, then don't worry ... Free League will "coordinate" to "remedy" the "situation".

Red flags much?

My Kindergarten was rougher than this.

Not too different from the posters here that need safe spaces from the big bad woke game companies, eh?

Are you gay?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on August 03, 2021, 09:18:59 PM

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on August 03, 2021, 08:59:03 PM
The Design Mechanism should go in the red column.

I've seen you make statements like this several times, but I keep missing the details. Care to explain for us slow folks in the audience?  :)

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 04, 2021, 09:37:44 AM
Monty Cook is woke AF.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on August 04, 2021, 06:51:03 PM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on August 03, 2021, 09:18:59 PM

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on August 03, 2021, 08:59:03 PM
The Design Mechanism should go in the red column.

I've seen you make statements like this several times, but I keep missing the details. Care to explain for us slow folks in the audience?  :)

They had a TDS-style YouTube video (since deleted) basically saying if you voted for a certain someone, you're not allowed to buy their RPG.

Quote from: RebelSky on August 04, 2021, 03:16:40 AM
Gotta say I am surprised Monte Cook Games isn't in the red yet. They are the ones who put out the Consent in Gaming document and are the ones who decided to coin the term 'safety tool's if I remember correctly.

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 06:54:39 PM
But, before this statements, did you like their game? If so, it doesn't really matter, just ignore their statement and keep buying what you like. If not, then it litwrally doesn't matter.

Quote from: Aglondir on August 04, 2021, 12:07:13 PM
Steve Jackson Games is Green. They refused to bow to the Cancel Mob over the Bill Webb incident. Phil Reed got a ban (temporary?) for trying to explain to the purple idiots that the disad "slave mentality" in Gurps has zero to do with slavery, but they were too infantile and scared of words to comprehend.

Quote from: Jam The MF on August 04, 2021, 07:02:14 PM
Are we simply creating a list of companies for the Hard Left to now target?

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on August 04, 2021, 06:58:34 PM

Quote from: RebelSky on August 04, 2021, 03:16:40 AM
Gotta say I am surprised Monte Cook Games isn't in the red yet. They are the ones who put out the Consent in Gaming document and are the ones who decided to coin the term 'safety tool's if I remember correctly.

Anything with Shanna Germain's name on it should be in the Red.

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 06:54:39 PM
But, before this statements, did you like their game? If so, it doesn't really matter, just ignore their statement and keep buying what you like. If not, then it litwrally doesn't matter.

I don't support far-left-wingers. Period.

Quote from: Shasarak on August 04, 2021, 06:52:05 PM

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 04, 2021, 09:37:44 AM
Monty Cook is woke AF.

Thats because Shanna Germain makes him look normal in comparison.

Quote from: Tait Ransom on August 04, 2021, 07:36:17 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on August 04, 2021, 06:52:05 PM

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 04, 2021, 09:37:44 AM
Monty Cook is woke AF.

Thats because Shanna Germain makes him look normal in comparison.

And he's banging her and wants to continue doing so.  We can expect the wokeness to continue.

Quote from: 1989 on August 04, 2021, 07:28:54 PM
This guy seems to not understand the idea of not supporting those who hate you, whether that support is monetary or by just supporting the game in general by playing it at the table.

Quote from: rgalex on August 04, 2021, 02:52:50 PMIf this is as "woke" as they get... I'm ok with that.

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 08:05:40 PM

Quote from: 1989 on August 04, 2021, 07:28:54 PM
This guy seems to not understand the idea of not supporting those who hate you, whether that support is monetary or by just supporting the game in general by playing it at the table.

I think your presumption of hate is silly. They don't care about you. You're unimportant to them. Their statements are just for virtue signaling.

Quote from: Merrill on August 04, 2021, 07:46:18 PM

Quote from: Tait Ransom on August 04, 2021, 07:36:17 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on August 04, 2021, 06:52:05 PM

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 04, 2021, 09:37:44 AM
Monty Cook is woke AF.

Thats because Shanna Germain makes him look normal in comparison.

And he's banging her and wants to continue doing so.  We can expect the wokeness to continue.

honestly, who the hell is Shanna Germain? What has she done?

Quote from: Merrill on August 04, 2021, 07:46:18 PM
but these chicks hover around and expect us to bow down or recognize them. Yeah, lol

Monte Cook has always been a hack. I remember reading some of his 2nd edition stuff back in the day and being like "is it just me, or does this kind of suck"? I thought I had outgrown the hobby --no, I had just recognized Cook's hack content for what it was

Quote from: Tait Ransom on August 04, 2021, 07:36:17 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on August 04, 2021, 06:52:05 PM

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 04, 2021, 09:37:44 AM
Monty Cook is woke AF.

Thats because Shanna Germain makes him look normal in comparison.

And he's banging her and wants to continue doing so.  We can expect the wokeness to continue.

Quote from: Brand55 on August 04, 2021, 08:49:57 PM
The only thing I'm familiar with that Shanna Germain has produced is Predation, a setting for the Cypher System. It's actually a pretty neat little setting that borrows heavily from the short-lived Terra Nova show (which I liked, which might be why I like Predation). I'm not a big fan of the Cypher System, so I've been tempted to convert it over to a system I like more for a while now.

Quote from: Ocule on August 04, 2021, 10:53:45 PM
This thread has actually been productive, minus the one or two butt hurt commenters anyway. I'm hoping by the end we can have a relatively reasonable guide on what games to look into and support. I've tried to find lists like this already made but they seem to break down quickly or you need to hunt in the thread for information.

Imo it's becoming more and more important to support these creators especially when you have people like evil hat trying to yeet people off drivethru, or new tsr getting instantly banned from all conventions. There are legit criticisms against them but that's not why they were canceled.

Quote from: SHARK on August 04, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
Greetings!

I read somewhere that Shanna Germain is into BDSM and all kinds of depraved kinks. I'm sure she is n entertaining strumpet. Interesting how Monte Cook got divorced, Sue Weinlein Cook is gone--and Shanna Germain is now sitting in the throne. ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: 1989 on August 04, 2021, 09:41:23 PM
...

Buddy, if you don't like the thread, you can just leave.

Quote from: trechriron on August 04, 2021, 09:11:33 PM
Just so you have someone to blame...

1) This is clearly a political thread. The term Woke is highly charged and not everyone agrees that being Woke is "bad wrong".
2) I reported it.
3) I hope it gets moved.

Are you wingnuts so butthurt you can no longer even have ONE reasonable normal conversation about RPGs? Seriously?

"Boo Hoo the mean libtards are ruining my life with Woke Memes. Boo Hoo"

Quote from: SHARK on August 04, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
Greetings!

I read somewhere that Shanna Germain is into BDSM and all kinds of depraved kinks.

Quote from: SHARK on August 04, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
I read somewhere that Shanna Germain is into BDSM and all kinds of depraved kinks.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
There is a chance that Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs) is woke, although that might just be Diogo Nogueira, as he has endorsed the idea of putting a "Game not for Fascists" thing on RPGs, and I am fairly sure he was the one that said he wanted to, to quote, "punch Venger's teeth out at the next con"

Otherwise I would say North Wind Adventures (AS&SH) is green. Seems like Jeff just wants to game and also honor Gygax. There was a question about the game going slightly woke on his forum with 3e but he ignored it, and he did hire Diogo as the artist for classes, but aside from the new art being not as good imo, I don't think it influenced the writing.

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 09:28:14 AM
Added Palladium to green. I'm tempted to put games workshop into red even though they don't really make ttrpgs. I was getting discouraged early on especially after seeing who signed those insane statements that i'm sure will age like milk. But seeing more and more fall into the green category gives me hope that our hobby isnt entirely screwed.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
There is a chance that Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs) is woke, although that might just be Diogo Nogueira, as he has endorsed the idea of putting a "Game not for Fascists" thing on RPGs, and I am fairly sure he was the one that said he wanted to, to quote, "punch Venger's teeth out at the next con"

Otherwise I would say North Wind Adventures (AS&SH) is green. Seems like Jeff just wants to game and also honor Gygax. There was a question about the game going slightly woke on his forum with 3e but he ignored it, and he did hire Diogo as the artist for classes, but aside from the new art being not as good imo, I don't think it influenced the writing.

Could give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Really wish the whole fascist thing wasn't double speak for anyone who doesnt share my very specific world view.

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 09:28:14 AM
Added Palladium to green. I'm tempted to put games workshop into red even though they don't really make ttrpgs. I was getting discouraged early on especially after seeing who signed those insane statements that i'm sure will age like milk. But seeing more and more fall into the green category gives me hope that our hobby isnt entirely screwed.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
There is a chance that Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs) is woke, although that might just be Diogo Nogueira, as he has endorsed the idea of putting a "Game not for Fascists" thing on RPGs, and I am fairly sure he was the one that said he wanted to, to quote, "punch Venger's teeth out at the next con"

Otherwise I would say North Wind Adventures (AS&SH) is green. Seems like Jeff just wants to game and also honor Gygax. There was a question about the game going slightly woke on his forum with 3e but he ignored it, and he did hire Diogo as the artist for classes, but aside from the new art being not as good imo, I don't think it influenced the writing.

Could give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Really wish the whole fascist thing wasn't double speak for anyone who doesnt share my very specific world view.

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
Edit: Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) is woke but idk to what degree as I don't follow their games. I do remember a big spiel about identity and gender at the beginning of the newest Shadowrun edition but need more info

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 05, 2021, 10:28:46 AM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
Edit: Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) is woke but idk to what degree as I don't follow their games. I do remember a big spiel about identity and gender at the beginning of the newest Shadowrun edition but need more info

I'm so glad I swapped the clunky SR rules for Savage Worlds, and am working on my own die pool system for when I return to the game in the future.

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM
What is the consensus here?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on August 05, 2021, 10:36:18 AM

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM
What is the consensus here?

  He's still on Twitter, but all I've picked up on from some stray references (I don't follow him and wouldn't if you paid me) is his recent contention that Tolkien was 'really' pagan and only practiced Catholicism because it was 'expected' for someone respectable in 20th century England ...

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

What is the consensus here?

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 10:40:58 AM

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

What is the consensus here?

He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:44:31 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 10:40:58 AM

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

What is the consensus here?

He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

Why would they claim hes the furthest thing from Nazis you'd think they'd get all kinds of turned on by finding an actual Nazi and not just someone who was on the MAGA train or something. Anyway might just strike him off the list if he doesn't fit really any categories or drop him to red despite not being woke and still probably hating you.

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:32:52 AM

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 05, 2021, 10:28:46 AM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
Edit: Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) is woke but idk to what degree as I don't follow their games. I do remember a big spiel about identity and gender at the beginning of the newest Shadowrun edition but need more info

I'm so glad I swapped the clunky SR rules for Savage Worlds, and am working on my own die pool system for when I return to the game in the future.

I google search turned up this https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 10:40:58 AM
He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 10:40:58 AM

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

What is the consensus here?

He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM

The other work that I have found surprisingly Based is Forbidden Lands.  Forbidden Lands has some woke-isms such as calling Races "Kin." 

Quote from: palaeomerus on August 05, 2021, 01:56:17 PM

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM

The other work that I have found surprisingly Based is Forbidden Lands.  Forbidden Lands has some woke-isms such as calling Races "Kin." 

From what I read Elves are procreation capable space androids powered by crystals and  Dwarves are designer-gene descendants of the crew of the World ship that the Forbidden Lands in set on who escaped from the DEEP DEEP DEEP tunnels and technology to go semi-feral up in the DEEP tunnels and they lost their link to those they split off from. I think they were also hinting that gods and demons were AIs and or things from another dimension, so the setting does a lot of Mystara like techno-sorcery things in the background.

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

(https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 02:19:14 PM
Kobold Press seems to be OK. I haven't seen anything woke or crazy from them or their authors

unless someone else has seen something

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 02:19:14 PM
Kobold Press seems to be OK. I haven't seen anything woke or crazy from them or their authors

unless someone else has seen something

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

(https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:44:31 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 10:40:58 AM

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

What is the consensus here?

He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

Why would they claim hes the furthest thing from Nazis you'd think they'd get all kinds of turned on by finding an actual Nazi and not just someone who was on the MAGA train or something. Anyway might just strike him off the list if he doesn't fit really any categories or drop him to red despite not being woke and still probably hating you.

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 10:40:58 AM

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

What is the consensus here?

He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:15:00 PM
...back on topic, I guess Catalyst Game Labs would be moved to yellow? Also although that post from Goodman is suspect, a lot of people got caught up in the BLM craze that I think they should remain in yellow, since they don't put politics in their products or go after or dox people as far as I can tell. Honestly, that artwork to me just seems like pandering so they could sell the Shauna cover corebook.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 06:18:01 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:15:00 PM
...back on topic, I guess Catalyst Game Labs would be moved to yellow? Also although that post from Goodman is suspect, a lot of people got caught up in the BLM craze that I think they should remain in yellow, since they don't put politics in their products or go after or dox people as far as I can tell. Honestly, that artwork to me just seems like pandering so they could sell the Shauna cover corebook.

Whatever I'm still not giving them a dime, will rework my DCC based game to White Box, and will sail the high seas IF I find I really want anything from them.

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: SHARK on August 05, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

(https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

Ar, Ar Matey!

Quote from: kreegan on August 05, 2021, 06:32:10 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

(https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

Ar, Ar Matey!

Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

Quote from: kreegan on August 05, 2021, 06:32:10 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

(https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

Ar, Ar Matey!

Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:40:32 PM

Quote from: kreegan on August 05, 2021, 06:32:10 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

(https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

Ar, Ar Matey!

Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

Doesn't Daniel Fox consistently release his games for free to artificially spike his sales numbers as well as pose as other people on various RPG forums and groups to "recommend" his game? I remember hearing about that years ago.

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 06:46:02 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:40:32 PM

Quote from: kreegan on August 05, 2021, 06:32:10 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

(https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

Ar, Ar Matey!

Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

Doesn't Daniel Fox consistently release his games for free to artificially spike his sales numbers as well as pose as other people on various RPG forums and groups to "recommend" his game? I remember hearing about that years ago.

The link says he releases community copies to the disadvantaged.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:48:17 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 06:46:02 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:40:32 PM

Quote from: kreegan on August 05, 2021, 06:32:10 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

(https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

Ar, Ar Matey!

Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

Doesn't Daniel Fox consistently release his games for free to artificially spike his sales numbers as well as pose as other people on various RPG forums and groups to "recommend" his game? I remember hearing about that years ago.

The link says he releases community copies to the disadvantaged.

Ah yes, the disadvantaged that spiked him to the top of DriveThru's best sellers list for a year because of the number of downloads

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 06:51:02 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:48:17 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 06:46:02 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:40:32 PM

Quote from: kreegan on August 05, 2021, 06:32:10 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

(https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

Ar, Ar Matey!

Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

Doesn't Daniel Fox consistently release his games for free to artificially spike his sales numbers as well as pose as other people on various RPG forums and groups to "recommend" his game? I remember hearing about that years ago.

The link says he releases community copies to the disadvantaged.

Ah yes, the disadvantaged that spiked him to the top of DriveThru's best sellers list for a year because of the number of downloads

He's a game designer that's gaming the system. So fucking what? Anybody else can follow his lead if they like and will get the same results, right?

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:54:58 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 06:51:02 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:48:17 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 06:46:02 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:40:32 PM

Quote from: kreegan on August 05, 2021, 06:32:10 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

(https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

Ar, Ar Matey!

Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

Doesn't Daniel Fox consistently release his games for free to artificially spike his sales numbers as well as pose as other people on various RPG forums and groups to "recommend" his game? I remember hearing about that years ago.

The link says he releases community copies to the disadvantaged.

Ah yes, the disadvantaged that spiked him to the top of DriveThru's best sellers list for a year because of the number of downloads

He's a game designer that's gaming the system. So fucking what? Anybody else can follow his lead if they like and will get the same results, right?

Fair enough, just think it's a little self-serving/self-congradulatory in his wording on his blog is honestly my only really issue with him, granted I don't follow the d100/WFRP sphere at all so opinions of him there are probably different

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 07:00:18 PM
Damn near everyone is "a little self-serving" with their public online presence. If they're not, they're doing it wrong.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 07:06:28 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 07:00:18 PM
Damn near everyone is "a little self-serving" with their public online presence. If they're not, they're doing it wrong.

I mean once again true, the end goal is to sell a product

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 07:10:10 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 07:06:28 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 07:00:18 PM
Damn near everyone is "a little self-serving" with their public online presence. If they're not, they're doing it wrong.

I mean once again true, the end goal is to sell a product

See almost any video by Pundit for an example. Even when he's reviewing someone else's product,  he's spending at least as much effort trying to sell his own.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 07:24:05 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 07:10:10 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 07:06:28 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 07:00:18 PM
Damn near everyone is "a little self-serving" with their public online presence. If they're not, they're doing it wrong.

I mean once again true, the end goal is to sell a product

See almost any video by Pundit for an example. Even when he's reviewing someone else's product,  he's spending at least as much effort trying to sell his own.

Yeah, totally, promoting your products on your YT channel at the end of a review is EXACTLY the same as gamming the system to attain gold best seller...

HappyDerp doing the Derp again.

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 07:37:04 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 07:24:05 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 07:10:10 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 07:06:28 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 07:00:18 PM
Damn near everyone is "a little self-serving" with their public online presence. If they're not, they're doing it wrong.

I mean once again true, the end goal is to sell a product

See almost any video by Pundit for an example. Even when he's reviewing someone else's product,  he's spending at least as much effort trying to sell his own.

Yeah, totally, promoting your products on your YT channel at the end of a review is EXACTLY the same as gamming the system to attain gold best seller...

HappyDerp doing the Derp again.

The conversation--specifically the part you quoted--had moved past that point. Do try to keep up.

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
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Quote from: Semaj Khan on August 05, 2021, 08:45:16 PM
Look, Fox didn't do shit; he's talking out of his ass. The manager for The Trove has said they're simply reorganizing it.

Now, for those of you playing at home saying that Fox is a hypocrite for complaining about piracy all the while he ripped off WHFRP... please use that same argument for Matt Finch, Stuart Marshall and the rest of us who engineered OSRIC. For extra points, also talk shit about LL, OSE, and whatever other OSR games are floating around because they freely "rip off" old TSR material.

Because they could.

Because it's legal.

Because there was a demand.

So, does piracy hurt or help sales? Everyone's got an opinion on that one. Grim Jim on YT seems to think it helps. I don't know... I don't keep track of anyone's sales. I do believe that if you create something and put it up for sale, in whatever form... dead tree, PDF... and you don't want it pirated, then you have every right to say something when someone does it... and the non-publishing armchair yuk-yuks can just run their mouths all they want because they don't matter.

Paying customers matter.

Quote from: Pat on August 05, 2021, 09:01:24 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
(https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

That looked really cool... until I scrolled down and saw the tag line.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:11:03 PM
Agreed, that's why I try to buy physical/PDFs whenever I can. Hell, the only reason I've pirated something is just to give a look through to see if I like it because 9/10 times the DriveThru preview is just the Table of Contents (which idk if that's on the publisher or DriveThru). Hence why I own a few copies of DCC, OSRIC in physical, OSE, etc.

QuoteThe big issue with Fox, at least to me, is that he has an "only I can do this but it's sleazy if someone else does" type of attitude that just rubs me the wrong way. Especially considering that Zweihander is a retroclone to a degree (once again, not super familiar with WFRP).

Quote from: Semaj Khan on August 05, 2021, 09:27:54 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:11:03 PM
Agreed, that's why I try to buy physical/PDFs whenever I can. Hell, the only reason I've pirated something is just to give a look through to see if I like it because 9/10 times the DriveThru preview is just the Table of Contents (which idk if that's on the publisher or DriveThru). Hence why I own a few copies of DCC, OSRIC in physical, OSE, etc.

Oh sure. I've done the same thing. Back a couple of years ago, for example, I thought about getting into WH40K. I got pdfs... from the Trove... looked the rules over, and made an informed decision.  Was that illegal? Yes. Did it help GWs sales? Sure did.

QuoteThe big issue with Fox, at least to me, is that he has an "only I can do this but it's sleazy if someone else does" type of attitude that just rubs me the wrong way. Especially considering that Zweihander is a retroclone to a degree (once again, not super familiar with WFRP).

Dude, for real? What did I say back up the thread? Why are you equating piracy with retro-cloning?  The first is illegal, the second is perfectly legal. Now, I know people who raised holy hell when OSRIC came out... like that ignorant asshole who had Hackmaster... but it was kicked off by an attorney who did his research and knew it was legal.  That is not the same thing as piracy, and to paint Fox with both brushes is either personal or a lack of understanding. 

Just because ZH didn't spring out of his ass fully formed like some meth head Aphrodite doesn't mean he ripped anyone off, and if you think it's so... then like I said above, you have a lot of others to condemn as well. So spread the love.

Frankly, by resurrecting WHFRP 1E in a new form, I think he did the world a favor because 4E sucks.

How do I know that?

Because I have the goddamned pdf. :D

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 05, 2021, 09:34:09 PM

Quote from: Semaj Khan on August 05, 2021, 09:27:54 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:11:03 PM
Agreed, that's why I try to buy physical/PDFs whenever I can. Hell, the only reason I've pirated something is just to give a look through to see if I like it because 9/10 times the DriveThru preview is just the Table of Contents (which idk if that's on the publisher or DriveThru). Hence why I own a few copies of DCC, OSRIC in physical, OSE, etc.

Oh sure. I've done the same thing. Back a couple of years ago, for example, I thought about getting into WH40K. I got pdfs... from the Trove... looked the rules over, and made an informed decision.  Was that illegal? Yes. Did it help GWs sales? Sure did.

QuoteThe big issue with Fox, at least to me, is that he has an "only I can do this but it's sleazy if someone else does" type of attitude that just rubs me the wrong way. Especially considering that Zweihander is a retroclone to a degree (once again, not super familiar with WFRP).

Dude, for real? What did I say back up the thread? Why are you equating piracy with retro-cloning?  The first is illegal, the second is perfectly legal. Now, I know people who raised holy hell when OSRIC came out... like that ignorant asshole who had Hackmaster... but it was kicked off by an attorney who did his research and knew it was legal.  That is not the same thing as piracy, and to paint Fox with both brushes is either personal or a lack of understanding. 

Just because ZH didn't spring out of his ass fully formed like some meth head Aphrodite doesn't mean he ripped anyone off, and if you think it's so... then like I said above, you have a lot of others to condemn as well. So spread the love.

Frankly, by resurrecting WHFRP 1E in a new form, I think he did the world a favor because 4E sucks.

How do I know that?

Because I have the goddamned pdf. :D

Uhhh, I think you have missed his point.  No one I've seen is comparing retro-cloning with piracy.  Fox himself has said that other retro-clones (and adaptations of his material) are intellectual theft.  That's the hypocrisy everyone is referring to.  He's called the OSR theft, when he did the same thing.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 05, 2021, 09:34:09 PM

Quote from: Semaj Khan on August 05, 2021, 09:27:54 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:11:03 PM
Agreed, that's why I try to buy physical/PDFs whenever I can. Hell, the only reason I've pirated something is just to give a look through to see if I like it because 9/10 times the DriveThru preview is just the Table of Contents (which idk if that's on the publisher or DriveThru). Hence why I own a few copies of DCC, OSRIC in physical, OSE, etc.

Oh sure. I've done the same thing. Back a couple of years ago, for example, I thought about getting into WH40K. I got pdfs... from the Trove... looked the rules over, and made an informed decision.  Was that illegal? Yes. Did it help GWs sales? Sure did.

QuoteThe big issue with Fox, at least to me, is that he has an "only I can do this but it's sleazy if someone else does" type of attitude that just rubs me the wrong way. Especially considering that Zweihander is a retroclone to a degree (once again, not super familiar with WFRP).

Dude, for real? What did I say back up the thread? Why are you equating piracy with retro-cloning?  The first is illegal, the second is perfectly legal. Now, I know people who raised holy hell when OSRIC came out... like that ignorant asshole who had Hackmaster... but it was kicked off by an attorney who did his research and knew it was legal.  That is not the same thing as piracy, and to paint Fox with both brushes is either personal or a lack of understanding. 

Just because ZH didn't spring out of his ass fully formed like some meth head Aphrodite doesn't mean he ripped anyone off, and if you think it's so... then like I said above, you have a lot of others to condemn as well. So spread the love.

Frankly, by resurrecting WHFRP 1E in a new form, I think he did the world a favor because 4E sucks.

How do I know that?

Because I have the goddamned pdf. :D

Uhhh, I think you have missed his point.  No one I've seen is comparing retro-cloning with piracy.  Fox himself has said that other retro-clones (and adaptations of his material) are intellectual theft.  That's the hypocrisy everyone is referring to.  He's called the OSR theft, when he did the same thing.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:48:10 PM

That was what I was trying to say, thank you. Seems I didn't quite get the wording right. I wasn't equating the OSR or retroclones to piracy, I was saying it was hypocritical that he does when he quite literally made a retroclone

Quote from: palaeomerus on August 05, 2021, 09:54:08 PM
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Quote from: Semaj Khan on August 05, 2021, 09:49:18 PM
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

See, I did not know that. That is indeed a horse of a different color.

I retract my previous statements then. Thanks for enlightening me.

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 10:40:58 AM

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Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

What is the consensus here?

He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

(https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

Ar, Ar Matey!

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 11:07:47 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
   
Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

(https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

Ar, Ar Matey!

Please do not promote/encourage illegal filesharing on this forum. If you go beyond encouraging it to enabling it I would have no choice but to ban you, and I really don't want to do that.

I'm not of the opinion that filesharing is significantly harmful to sales, but this forum cannot tolerate filesharing being linked or directed to for reasons that are obvious.

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 06, 2021, 07:18:47 AM
I'm willing to give Goodman Games the benefit of the doubt.  A lot of people were caught up in the Black Lives Matter craze from last summer.  The fact is, if we purity test absolutely every publisher, we'll be gaming alone.  I will be watching their products closely for the appearance of ranty "No Fascists Allowed" disclaimers in their books.

I would like to direct your attention to an evergreen thread by Aaron the Pedantic about the difference between themes and direct political messaging. (https://twitter.com/cha_neg/status/1410673500294193153?s=20)

Quote from: jhkim on August 05, 2021, 06:27:36 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: SHARK on August 05, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

(https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 10:33:09 PM
Paizo is lucky the SJWs don't speak spanish nor are fluent in hispanic culture. Polyhedron #160 / Dragon #101 has a mini game called Iron Lords of Jupiter.

One of the races is called (I shit you not) Marikon, this is the homophone spanish equivalent of the "a bundle of sticks" homophobic slur.

If I weren't a principled person...

• Lamentations of the Flame Princess
• For Gold and Glory
• Delving Deeper

Quote from: Ocule on August 06, 2021, 10:09:00 AM
Some other ones I needed more information on for the list is

• Lamentations of the Flame Princess
• For Gold and Glory
• Delving Deeper

For now I put these all under the green category for being either apolitical or in lamentation's case also being a target by the twitterati for cancelation.

Also thank you all for contributing to this thread, I think so far we have a sizeable list of companies that might be worth supporting or doing business with. I do kind of wish we had more accurate terms for them, since "woke" as a word is stupid, and some wear the SJW banner with pride despite its inaccuracy of having anything to do with justice. Grifter is too broad, and NPC is just an insult (not that they don't deserve it). "Leftie" or "Leftist" is a terrible description because of the arbitrary moving goal posts of left and right, just and even politically associated parties are not self descriptive. We need to coin a term that is both descriptive, and catchy leaving them unable to deny it. To name something is to exert power over it, as the activists have figured out. So lets name them and strip away all pretense and illusion.

Quote from: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:16:13 AM

Quote from: jhkim on August 05, 2021, 06:27:36 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: SHARK on August 05, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

(https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 06, 2021, 11:50:42 AM

Quote from: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:16:13 AM

Quote from: jhkim on August 05, 2021, 06:27:36 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: SHARK on August 05, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

(https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

Darkling, Weakling, Foreigner, Native... From a guy that at the very least was a Neo-Nazi... Not sure I'm going to trust him on anything he says.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 06, 2021, 11:50:42 AM

Quote from: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:16:13 AM

Quote from: jhkim on August 05, 2021, 06:27:36 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: SHARK on August 05, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

(https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

Darkling, Weakling, Foreigner, Native... From a guy that at the very least was a Neo-Nazi... Not sure I'm going to trust him on anything he says.

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 06, 2021, 08:58:48 AM

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 06, 2021, 07:18:47 AM
I'm willing to give Goodman Games the benefit of the doubt.  A lot of people were caught up in the Black Lives Matter craze from last summer.  The fact is, if we purity test absolutely every publisher, we'll be gaming alone.  I will be watching their products closely for the appearance of ranty "No Fascists Allowed" disclaimers in their books.

I would like to direct your attention to an evergreen thread by Aaron the Pedantic about the difference between themes and direct political messaging. (https://twitter.com/cha_neg/status/1410673500294193153?s=20)

Well, I agree to a certain extent. Most of the truly Woke crowd will be unable to resist putting their messaging as propaganda directly into their products.

However, there are some who don't. Some designers (myself included) are very obviously political in their public statements and yet do not port these politics into their products. None of my products have an overt (or even really covert) contemporary political partisanship in their content (I mean, maybe the closest I get to that might be The Invisible College, as it's a modern setting, but the political message is at best a clear preference for 18th century classical liberalism, and individualism over collectivism).

When it comes to Woke designers, the question then depends on whether what you care about is "do they make cool games that don't try to force feed you political propaganda?" OR "do the people who made these books and presumably will profit from them loudly proclaim an ideology that wants to see your country, family, or lives destroyed?".

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 06, 2021, 10:35:49 PM
Honestly for that alone I'm still willing to support companies like Goodman honestly, because aside from that singular post and distancing from Judge's Guild (although a lot of people did at the time), there isn't anything political I've seen and it's nice to see zany gonzo every now and then. Imo Goodman falls into that first category in your question, cool game and they don't force feed it basically at all.

Quote from: Semaj Khan on August 06, 2021, 10:42:31 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on August 06, 2021, 10:35:49 PM
Honestly for that alone I'm still willing to support companies like Goodman honestly, because aside from that singular post and distancing from Judge's Guild (although a lot of people did at the time), there isn't anything political I've seen and it's nice to see zany gonzo every now and then. Imo Goodman falls into that first category in your question, cool game and they don't force feed it basically at all.

I like Goodman as well, and don't see a problem.

As to the backing off JG: I basically need a score card these last few years, but IIRC JG stayed in bed with Bill Webb, and Bill's had some serious stank on him. I think that's caused JG some problems... am I right?

Quote from: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:54:34 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 06, 2021, 11:50:42 AM

Quote from: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:16:13 AM

Quote from: jhkim on August 05, 2021, 06:27:36 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: SHARK on August 05, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

(https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

Darkling, Weakling, Foreigner, Native... From a guy that at the very least was a Neo-Nazi... Not sure I'm going to trust him on anything he says.

OK, I actually had to go back a couple editions (the new ones don't use the above species and table) to find this. And on page 5 of MYFAROG 2.4 it says:

"Darklings and Weaklines are the names of the only known races of the swarthy and cruel Arbi species ...they have fang-like teeth"

so like Varg says in his video, these are NOT humans --they are like orcs or goblins

the Foreigners are human traders or merchants from some distant land --they are not described as criminal, animals, whatever. Sure, they don't get the bonuses the elves and God fathered get, but they are like common humans in D&D, aka not heroes.

The Darklings and Weaklings get penalties to some stats because they are not suited to live in the arctic climate where the game takes place

So if you are reading between the lines here and see black people, that is on you bro. I never thought that quite frankly

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 10:40:58 AM

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

What is the consensus here?

He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:16:13 AM

Quote from: jhkim on August 05, 2021, 06:27:36 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: SHARK on August 05, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

(https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

Quote from: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:54:34 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 06, 2021, 11:50:42 AM

Quote from: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:16:13 AM

Quote from: jhkim on August 05, 2021, 06:27:36 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: SHARK on August 05, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

(https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

Darkling, Weakling, Foreigner, Native... From a guy that at the very least was a Neo-Nazi... Not sure I'm going to trust him on anything he says.

OK, I actually had to go back a couple editions (the new ones don't use the above species and table) to find this. And on page 5 of MYFAROG 2.4 it says:

"Darklings and Weaklines are the names of the only known races of the swarthy and cruel Arbi species ...they have fang-like teeth"

so like Varg says in his video, these are NOT humans --they are like orcs or goblins

the Foreigners are human traders or merchants from some distant land --they are not described as criminal, animals, whatever. Sure, they don't get the bonuses the elves and God fathered get, but they are like common humans in D&D, aka not heroes.

The Darklings and Weaklings get penalties to some stats because they are not suited to live in the arctic climate where the game takes place

So if you are reading between the lines here and see black people, that is on you bro. I never thought that quite frankly

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 07, 2021, 05:02:28 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:54:34 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 06, 2021, 11:50:42 AM

Quote from: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:16:13 AM

Quote from: jhkim on August 05, 2021, 06:27:36 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: SHARK on August 05, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

(https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

Darkling, Weakling, Foreigner, Native... From a guy that at the very least was a Neo-Nazi... Not sure I'm going to trust him on anything he says.

OK, I actually had to go back a couple editions (the new ones don't use the above species and table) to find this. And on page 5 of MYFAROG 2.4 it says:

"Darklings and Weaklines are the names of the only known races of the swarthy and cruel Arbi species ...they have fang-like teeth"

so like Varg says in his video, these are NOT humans --they are like orcs or goblins

the Foreigners are human traders or merchants from some distant land --they are not described as criminal, animals, whatever. Sure, they don't get the bonuses the elves and God fathered get, but they are like common humans in D&D, aka not heroes.

The Darklings and Weaklings get penalties to some stats because they are not suited to live in the arctic climate where the game takes place

So if you are reading between the lines here and see black people, that is on you bro. I never thought that quite frankly

This is complete bullshit. The kopparmen are obviously other races. The coverage of it in later editions in an attempt to FOOL idiots or give cover to fellow nazis (which are you, Merrill, an idiot or a Nazi?) doesn't change that.

The game itself is based on the MADE-UP PROTO-NAZI "thulean" fantasy of the make-believe Aryan Supercivilization.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on August 07, 2021, 04:36:19 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 10:40:58 AM

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

What is the consensus here?

He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Varg continues to espouse racist ideology loudly and openly you absolute dimbulb. And he didn't "make a claim". He made a series of racist statements, elaborated on them, has written two books of racist propaganda, and continues to tweet stuff like this:

(https://img.fae.ro/bd81cb.png)

(https://img.fae.ro/ea8079.png)

(https://img.fae.ro/4a78a3.png)

God damn you are dumb.

Quote from: Merrill on August 07, 2021, 06:33:18 PM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on August 07, 2021, 04:36:19 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 10:40:58 AM

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

What is the consensus here?

He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Varg continues to espouse racist ideology loudly and openly you absolute dimbulb. And he didn't "make a claim". He made a series of racist statements, elaborated on them, has written two books of racist propaganda, and continues to tweet stuff like this:

(https://img.fae.ro/bd81cb.png)

(https://img.fae.ro/ea8079.png)

(https://img.fae.ro/4a78a3.png)

God damn you are dumb.

it's nice you found time to dig through Varg''s Twitter history to find evidence of racism. I am not even on Twitter, and I actually have a life, so ...

I don't need to defend Varg --if you think the game is RaCIst! Then don't play it. I am only telling you what he himself said about his game, that it wasn't.

But on a side note, do you think Jews, who call themselves God's Chosen People, refer to other races and groups as Goyim, black people as "Schwarze", and operate an ethnostate in Israel with nice big walls and camps for people who get out-of-line, are racist?

Quote from: Zelen on August 07, 2021, 06:53:22 PM
I'm not sure what the point of the discussion about Varg is. Is the list to create a list of "RPG Creators I Agree With" or is the point of the list "RPG Creators Who Don't Parrot Ruling Class Propaganda In Their Works"?

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 07, 2021, 07:41:24 PM

Quote from: Zelen on August 07, 2021, 06:53:22 PM
I'm not sure what the point of the discussion about Varg is. Is the list to create a list of "RPG Creators I Agree With" or is the point of the list "RPG Creators Who Don't Parrot Ruling Class Propaganda In Their Works"?

My understanding was it was a list of "RPG Creators Who Don't Parrot Propaganda In Their Works".  I don't think it is limited to your definition of "ruling class."  In which case Varg should go up in red.  Next.

Quote from: Zelen on August 07, 2021, 08:28:12 PM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 07, 2021, 07:41:24 PM

Quote from: Zelen on August 07, 2021, 06:53:22 PM
I'm not sure what the point of the discussion about Varg is. Is the list to create a list of "RPG Creators I Agree With" or is the point of the list "RPG Creators Who Don't Parrot Ruling Class Propaganda In Their Works"?

My understanding was it was a list of "RPG Creators Who Don't Parrot Propaganda In Their Works".  I don't think it is limited to your definition of "ruling class."  In which case Varg should go up in red.  Next.

Woke is a distinct phenomenon, and it has to be treated differently because it's the prevailing orthodox position. If you are saying something or creating a product that contradicts Woke ideology, you're putting your neck on the line. Creating a non-Woke product can get you hounded by an activist mob, and you're risking that your book won't be carried by major storefronts, won't be accepted by book printers, that your payment processor will decline to process transactions, and worse.

That's a big difference from whether a given product has a particular agenda or ideology behind it. Lots of games have specific perspectives that I don't agree with, but only Woke has any practical impact on my ability to game in the way that I please.

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 07, 2021, 05:14:09 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 07, 2021, 05:02:28 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:54:34 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 06, 2021, 11:50:42 AM

Quote from: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:16:13 AM

Quote from: jhkim on August 05, 2021, 06:27:36 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Quote from: SHARK on August 05, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

(https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

Darkling, Weakling, Foreigner, Native... From a guy that at the very least was a Neo-Nazi... Not sure I'm going to trust him on anything he says.

OK, I actually had to go back a couple editions (the new ones don't use the above species and table) to find this. And on page 5 of MYFAROG 2.4 it says:

"Darklings and Weaklines are the names of the only known races of the swarthy and cruel Arbi species ...they have fang-like teeth"

so like Varg says in his video, these are NOT humans --they are like orcs or goblins

the Foreigners are human traders or merchants from some distant land --they are not described as criminal, animals, whatever. Sure, they don't get the bonuses the elves and God fathered get, but they are like common humans in D&D, aka not heroes.

The Darklings and Weaklings get penalties to some stats because they are not suited to live in the arctic climate where the game takes place

So if you are reading between the lines here and see black people, that is on you bro. I never thought that quite frankly

This is complete bullshit. The kopparmen are obviously other races. The coverage of it in later editions in an attempt to FOOL idiots or give cover to fellow nazis (which are you, Merrill, an idiot or a Nazi?) doesn't change that.

The game itself is based on the MADE-UP PROTO-NAZI "thulean" fantasy of the make-believe Aryan Supercivilization.

Nothing wrong with playing a game based around the Aryan myth though.

Quote from: Merrill on August 07, 2021, 06:33:18 PM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on August 07, 2021, 04:36:19 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 10:40:58 AM

Quote from: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

What is the consensus here?

He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

Varg continues to espouse racist ideology loudly and openly you absolute dimbulb. And he didn't "make a claim". He made a series of racist statements, elaborated on them, has written two books of racist propaganda, and continues to tweet stuff like this:

(https://img.fae.ro/bd81cb.png)

(https://img.fae.ro/ea8079.png)

(https://img.fae.ro/4a78a3.png)

God damn you are dumb.

it's nice you found time to dig through Varg''s Twitter history to find evidence of racism. I am not even on Twitter, and I actually have a life, so ...

I don't need to defend Varg --if you think the game is RaCIst! Then don't play it. I am only telling you what he himself said about his game, that it wasn't.

But on a side note, do you think Jews, who call themselves God's Chosen People, refer to other races and groups as Goyim, black people as "Schwarze", and operate an ethnostate in Israel with nice big walls and camps for people who get out-of-line, are racist?

Quote from: ThatChrisGuy on August 07, 2021, 11:20:56 PM
Am I nuts or is some asshole actually defending Varg Vikernes?  What the everloving fuck is going on in this thread?

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 08, 2021, 02:01:39 AMBanned for anti-semitism.

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 08, 2021, 02:01:39 AM

Quote from: Merrill on August 07, 2021, 06:33:18 PM
But on a side note, do you think Jews, who call themselves God's Chosen People, refer to other races and groups as Goyim, black people as "Schwarze", and operate an ethnostate in Israel with nice big walls and camps for people who get out-of-line, are racist?

Banned for anti-semitism.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2021, 01:03:32 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 08, 2021, 02:01:39 AM

Quote from: Merrill on August 07, 2021, 06:33:18 PM
But on a side note, do you think Jews, who call themselves God's Chosen People, refer to other races and groups as Goyim, black people as "Schwarze", and operate an ethnostate in Israel with nice big walls and camps for people who get out-of-line, are racist?

Banned for anti-semitism.

It's almost amusing how, once you let them talk for a while, the anti-semites can't help but out themselves.  It's like they were vegan, or into Crossfit...

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 01:39:40 PM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2021, 01:03:32 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 08, 2021, 02:01:39 AM

Quote from: Merrill on August 07, 2021, 06:33:18 PM
But on a side note, do you think Jews, who call themselves God's Chosen People, refer to other races and groups as Goyim, black people as "Schwarze", and operate an ethnostate in Israel with nice big walls and camps for people who get out-of-line, are racist?

Banned for anti-semitism.

It's almost amusing how, once you let them talk for a while, the anti-semites can't help but out themselves.  It's like they were vegan, or into Crossfit...

So much for the anti-woke crowd. Expressing a negative or critical view of Israel or Jews is totally nazi and has to be banned. Maybe it was off-topic, but What is the difference between this and the people who ban others for posting statistics or scientific facts on account of them being "racist"? This literally banning out of political correctness; the guy didn't advocate for genocide, ethnic cleansing or discrimination.
   
Inb4 "nazi fascist antisemitic bigot!!!!"

Why can't we just have a society in which people speak their minds and we let everyone decide for themselves and sort themselves out instead of having a group of chosen few moderators who totally know what's right for us and know what opinions have to be purged? I know it's a private forum, but you get the point.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2021, 02:19:43 PM
Well, I can't speak for Pundit, but I can tell you, as an advocate for individualism, I have no problem discussing the issues with individual people and their actions.  But collective guilt, collective hatred, or collective discrimination are neither valid arguments, nor productive.  They assert things not proven (that a person is guilty of X because of their race), and then attempt to denigrate all members of that group based on that.  They never lead to actual discussion, because bigots of that nature are never willing to listen.  Do you honestly think that Merrill would have been open to being convinced that his anti-semetic prejudice was incorrect?  That isn't discussion; it's a lecture (from a bigot).  So it has no value on this forum.

QuoteDude even has his own system of measurement. You can fight, go on quests, attend festivals, get married, create a home, have kids (although the mother might die in childbirth; women are frail things in the world of Thule), then have your character's child replace him as your player character. Why you would want to play this disaster for that long, I don't know, but you need a pretty hefty rule set for a world as complex as that.

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Set in the antediluvian land of Thule, a repository for a bunch of generic fantasy tropes filtered through Vikernes' own Norse-centric historical revisionism, this isn't that far off from Dungeons & Dragons or Conan the Barbarian – only so racist it would make Conan creator Robert E Howard himself seem enlightened.

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And hey, maybe you'll think this has a great world to play in. But if you do, guess what? You're a Nazi. A literal Nazi.

Nobles are naturally superior to the peasantry in this world.

QuoteThere is an entire page with his versions of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism – you know what? I'm not even religious and I can't even bring myself to write a summary of it.

Quoteone of the suggested quest ideas is literally ethnic cleansing:

QuoteTo his credit, Varg does consider women to be human. He allows them to be as good at hunting rabbits as men (although they have to leave the bigger game to their stronger male counterparts). Women can even go to war! In fact, there's an entire race where the men see women as equals and allow them to fight alongside them in battle. Unfortunately, that means that the race has fewer females because, and I quote, "the women die sooner than the men, because they are physically weaker than the men." So, you know.

QuoteObviously, you shouldn't buy this book. But if you really want to kick this clown in the balls, go make a donation in his name to a worthy charity like the Shoah Foundation or the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 03:01:11 PM
Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own.

Quote from: Jason Coplen on August 08, 2021, 01:36:27 PM
Thanks for the ban against that creep. I was tired of reading pages and pages of his tripe. What's next, someone will come in and waste our time going on and on about how Sauron was the good guy, admittedly that would be a funner read.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2021, 04:45:46 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 03:01:11 PM
Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own.

Before your inevitable exit from here, I will point out to you that culture (such as mine: traditional individualist American) has nothing to do with race.  Far from failing, the idea of a nation where any person can be a part (regardless of race) has proven to be the foundation of the greatest nation ever, responsible for more advancement in living conditions than any other in world history.  It is the tribalists (be they based on race, geography, etc.) that consistently fail to product societies worth living in.  The American ideal, while an offshoot of Western Protestant Liberalism, requires nothing except a commitment to its principles and the corresponding behaviors.  It is open to everyone.  That makes it absolutely superior to any "collective" based on race or tribe.  You should free yourself of your misguided anger and embrace the reality: the only thing that matters is what you believe and how you live.  Everything else is superficial.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2021, 04:45:46 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 03:01:11 PM
Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own.

Before your inevitable exit from here, I will point out to you that culture (such as mine: traditional individualist American) has nothing to do with race.  Far from failing, the idea of a nation where any person can be a part (regardless of race) has proven to be the foundation of the greatest nation ever, responsible for more advancement in living conditions than any other in world history.  It is the tribalists (be they based on race, geography, etc.) that consistently fail to product societies worth living in.  The American ideal, while an offshoot of Western Protestant Liberalism, requires nothing except a commitment to its principles and the corresponding behaviors.  It is open to everyone.  That makes it absolutely superior to any "collective" based on race or tribe.  You should free yourself of your misguided anger and embrace the reality: the only thing that matters is what you believe and how you live.  Everything else is superficial.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2021, 04:45:46 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 03:01:11 PM
Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own.

Before your inevitable exit from here, I will point out to you that culture (such as mine: traditional individualist American) has nothing to do with race.  Far from failing, the idea of a nation where any person can be a part (regardless of race) has proven to be the foundation of the greatest nation ever, responsible for more advancement in living conditions than any other in world history.  It is the tribalists (be they based on race, geography, etc.) that consistently fail to product societies worth living in.  The American ideal, while an offshoot of Western Protestant Liberalism, requires nothing except a commitment to its principles and the corresponding behaviors.  It is open to everyone.  That makes it absolutely superior to any "collective" based on race or tribe.  You should free yourself of your misguided anger and embrace the reality: the only thing that matters is what you believe and how you live.  Everything else is superficial.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2021, 04:45:46 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 03:01:11 PM
Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own.

Before your inevitable exit from here, I will point out to you that culture (such as mine: traditional individualist American) has nothing to do with race.  Far from failing, the idea of a nation where any person can be a part (regardless of race) has proven to be the foundation of the greatest nation ever, responsible for more advancement in living conditions than any other in world history.  It is the tribalists (be they based on race, geography, etc.) that consistently fail to product societies worth living in.  The American ideal, while an offshoot of Western Protestant Liberalism, requires nothing except a commitment to its principles and the corresponding behaviors.  It is open to everyone.  That makes it absolutely superior to any "collective" based on race or tribe.  You should free yourself of your misguided anger and embrace the reality: the only thing that matters is what you believe and how you live.  Everything else is superficial.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 08, 2021, 04:47:09 PM

Quote from: Jason Coplen on August 08, 2021, 01:36:27 PM
Thanks for the ban against that creep. I was tired of reading pages and pages of his tripe. What's next, someone will come in and waste our time going on and on about how Sauron was the good guy, admittedly that would be a funner read.

Someone never read The Last Ringbearer (although that was more of a parody/deconstruction).

Quote from: Jason Coplen on August 08, 2021, 08:14:37 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 08, 2021, 04:47:09 PM

Quote from: Jason Coplen on August 08, 2021, 01:36:27 PM
Thanks for the ban against that creep. I was tired of reading pages and pages of his tripe. What's next, someone will come in and waste our time going on and on about how Sauron was the good guy, admittedly that would be a funner read.

Someone never read The Last Ringbearer (although that was more of a parody/deconstruction).

I have not, good sir. Is it worth my time?

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 01:39:40 PM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2021, 01:03:32 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 08, 2021, 02:01:39 AM

Quote from: Merrill on August 07, 2021, 06:33:18 PM
But on a side note, do you think Jews, who call themselves God's Chosen People, refer to other races and groups as Goyim, black people as "Schwarze", and operate an ethnostate in Israel with nice big walls and camps for people who get out-of-line, are racist?

Banned for anti-semitism.

It's almost amusing how, once you let them talk for a while, the anti-semites can't help but out themselves.  It's like they were vegan, or into Crossfit...

So much for the anti-woke crowd. Expressing a negative or critical view of Israel or Jews is totally nazi and has to be banned. Maybe it was off-topic, but What is the difference between this and the people who ban others for posting statistics or scientific facts on account of them being "racist"? This literally banning out of political correctness; the guy didn't advocate for genocide, ethnic cleansing or discrimination.
   
Inb4 "nazi fascist antisemitic bigot!!!!"

Why can't we just have a society in which people speak their minds and we let everyone decide for themselves and sort themselves out instead of having a group of chosen few moderators who totally know what's right for us and know what opinions have to be purged? I know it's a private forum, but you get the point.

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 03:01:11 PM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2021, 02:19:43 PM
Well, I can't speak for Pundit, but I can tell you, as an advocate for individualism, I have no problem discussing the issues with individual people and their actions.  But collective guilt, collective hatred, or collective discrimination are neither valid arguments, nor productive.  They assert things not proven (that a person is guilty of X because of their race), and then attempt to denigrate all members of that group based on that.  They never lead to actual discussion, because bigots of that nature are never willing to listen.  Do you honestly think that Merrill would have been open to being convinced that his anti-semetic prejudice was incorrect?  That isn't discussion; it's a lecture (from a bigot).  So it has no value on this forum.

Individualism is not isolationism. It does not exclude group behavior, cultural baggage, demographic trends, etc. Every person is an individual but they belong to a certain group due to their upbringing and this does have an effect on their outlook in life. Far from being smothering collectivism, belonging to a community is a natural part of being a human being (and just in case, it does not justify taking away your individual rights for the "greater good").

Go to Israel, if you don't believe me, and see what the prevailing attitude is towards christians. There are exceptions, sure. But there are also rules which societies tend to follow, and Israel, as a country, has a very strong anti-christian sentiment.

This is a major problem with individualists and libertarians; both ideas to which I strongly adhere, btw. They can't bring themselves to admit that group trends do exist and that tribalism and group-think is natural to people. To some of us, it's impossible to admit the existence of groups, cultures, civilizations and societies; apparently doing so means that you justify ideologies like "greater good" and lack of individuality. We must break from our own dogmas and see the blatant facts.

Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own. Other groups do see race and realize that white people are a culture on their own, rather than the "standard" or the "vanilla", base, neutral culture everybody is meant to assimilate. While Whites have been told to think in terms of individuals, other groups were taught to have allegiance to their people, and you're seeing the results.

That being said, banning people for not being individualists sounds very collectivist to me.

Quote from: 1989 on August 08, 2021, 07:07:36 PM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2021, 04:45:46 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 03:01:11 PM
Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own.

Before your inevitable exit from here, I will point out to you that culture (such as mine: traditional individualist American) has nothing to do with race.  Far from failing, the idea of a nation where any person can be a part (regardless of race) has proven to be the foundation of the greatest nation ever, responsible for more advancement in living conditions than any other in world history.  It is the tribalists (be they based on race, geography, etc.) that consistently fail to product societies worth living in.  The American ideal, while an offshoot of Western Protestant Liberalism, requires nothing except a commitment to its principles and the corresponding behaviors.  It is open to everyone.  That makes it absolutely superior to any "collective" based on race or tribe.  You should free yourself of your misguided anger and embrace the reality: the only thing that matters is what you believe and how you live.  Everything else is superficial.

I'd have to strongly disagree with you, here. Culture and race are very closely linked. You can always find examples to the contrary, but, in general, culture and race -- very closely linked. I don't see how anyone can even argue that. I am in Canada, not America, but the same thing applies. To take one example, you have second-generation Indians who are still very Indian. They take whatever can benefit them from the white people's system, but still favour their own group, give breaks to their own group, hire their own group, marry their own group, and vote for Indian politicians. They demand the right to wear turbans in the police force (rather than the customary RCMP hat) or on motorcycles (rather than helmets). These people are not interested in assimilating or integrating. They do not see past race, at all. They keep their culture, religion, and in-group preferences when it counts. I think a lot of white people have never experienced so-called reverse racism (which is actually just racism) or discrimination for being white, or they were too dumb to know what was happening. A smile and a kind word to your face, but disdain and sneakiness behind your back. Dumb white leftist baizuo. So gullible.

But this is getting a bit off topic -- my apologies.

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
...The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 09, 2021, 02:39:01 PM

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

I wouldn't call them "fully" Woke but they are absolutely Hyper-Corporate to the extreme.  More so even than WotC if you can believe it.  GW's Managment are the worst kind of terminally Mediocre Corporatists.  All they know how to do is acquire and chase trends.

I would put them in the Red category just for that reason. I know that I personally am never going to give GW another cent of my money for entirely unrelated reasons: their attempt to strongarm creators into joining a Streaming platform.

You read that right, a Warhammer-Themed Streaming Platform.   They have since decided to ban fan animations of their IP unless hosted on this platform where they have all the control.

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 03:30:04 PM

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

Please tell me you're kidding.

I saw the writing on the wall several years ago when the new mascot (on the cover of the corebook and the stand-up, life-sized cardboard model in stores) for Age of Sigmar was a punk-looking strong woman with a coloured mohawk and tats. Stopped playing at that point.

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 03:40:55 PM
The new starter set has a mandatory female leader and a gender quota.

What a joke.

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 03:53:15 PM

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 03:40:55 PM
The new starter set has a mandatory female leader and a gender quota.

What a joke.

It has a female stormcast, but not as a mandatory leader and tbh I don't really think having 2 female characters is super woke.

For example here is the image that you found super woke but tbh it just seems to fit with a pseudo valkyrie to me.
https://www.customeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/60040299070_AoSCoreRulebook01.jpg (https://www.customeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/60040299070_AoSCoreRulebook01.jpg)

For me wokeness is making the Dwarf a they/them. The most crazy example of wokeness I've seen was from Evil Hat in their Dominion of unity book but that is another story.

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 04:02:05 PM

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 03:53:15 PM

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 03:40:55 PM
The new starter set has a mandatory female leader and a gender quota.

What a joke.

It has a female stormcast, but not as a mandatory leader and tbh I don't really think having 2 female characters is super woke.

For example here is the image that you found super woke but tbh it just seems to fit with a pseudo valkyrie to me.
https://www.customeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/60040299070_AoSCoreRulebook01.jpg (https://www.customeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/60040299070_AoSCoreRulebook01.jpg)

For me wokeness is making the Dwarf a they/them. The most crazy example of wokeness I've seen was from Evil Hat in their Dominion of unity book but that is another story.

This one.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Age-Of-Sigmar-Warrior-English-2021

Man, those pronouns are brutal. Unbelievable.

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 07:30:41 PM
Boob armour is unavoidable on the troops and the leader has the narrow waist of a woman.

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 08:07:31 PM
It's the same armour style as on the men, look at the dude in the back left.
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60010299029_EngAoSWarriorGroup01.jpg (https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60010299029_EngAoSWarriorGroup01.jpg)

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 09, 2021, 09:50:11 PM

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 07:30:41 PM
Boob armour is unavoidable on the troops and the leader has the narrow waist of a woman.

And this is a problem why? Newsflash: Stormcast Eternals are not a historical army and they don't have any males-only rules. If you can't handle a few modeled as female, crawl back into a safe space and pet your emotional support animal of choice.

Quote from: 1989 on August 10, 2021, 01:05:18 AM

The problem is not female models (I have an entire Sisters of Battle army, myself).

Quote from: 1989 on August 10, 2021, 01:05:18 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 09, 2021, 09:50:11 PM

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 07:30:41 PM
Boob armour is unavoidable on the troops and the leader has the narrow waist of a woman.

And this is a problem why? Newsflash: Stormcast Eternals are not a historical army and they don't have any males-only rules. If you can't handle a few modeled as female, crawl back into a safe space and pet your emotional support animal of choice.

Let me spell this out for you because you are either disingenuous or fucking stupid, having missed the entire point of the thread.

The problem is not female models (I have an entire Sisters of Battle army, myself).

The problem is the motive behind inserting them here in this instance.

It's diversity/feminist-pandering. Female quota for the sake of quota.

Quote from: 1989 on August 10, 2021, 01:05:18 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 09, 2021, 09:50:11 PM

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 07:30:41 PM
Boob armour is unavoidable on the troops and the leader has the narrow waist of a woman.

And this is a problem why? Newsflash: Stormcast Eternals are not a historical army and they don't have any males-only rules. If you can't handle a few modeled as female, crawl back into a safe space and pet your emotional support animal of choice.

Let me spell this out for you because you are either disingenuous or fucking stupid, having missed the entire point of the thread.

The problem is not female models (I have an entire Sisters of Battle army, myself).

The problem is the motive behind inserting them here in this instance.

It's diversity/feminist-pandering. Female quota for the sake of quota.

• Kobold Press Guide to game mastering has a whole section telling the reader to "check your privilege"

• RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
• Troll Lord Games (Castles and Crusades/Siege Engine) Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
• Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
• Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
• Autarch/ACKS Definitely not woke
• Necrotic Gnome (Old School Essentials) Makes a point to be apolitical
• Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products
• OSRIC Hasn't given any indication of getting political
• Whitebox: FMAG No indication of getting poltical
• Goblinoid Games (Labyrinth Lord) No indication of getting political
• Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
• Post Mortem Studios (Tales of Gor, Punk RPG, Grimdark) Visit the storefront, can't imagine them giving a shit what people think
• Palladium Does what they have always done, make gonzo worlds
• North Wind Adventures (Astonishing Swordsman and Sorcerers of Hyperborea) Hired some woke artist, but otherwise seems faithful to AD&D. Doesnt Appear to get preachy
• Kort'thalis Publishing/Venger Satanis (Alpha Blue, Cha'alt) Anti SJW
• Peterson Games (Cthulhu Mythos among others) They tried to cancel him for thinking that men shouldn't compete in women's sports. Seems like a genuinely nice dude
• Riot Minds (Trudvang, Lex Occultum) Does not appear to be political, you can get their proprietary system or the D&D adaptation or adopt the setting to your own system. It's a beautiful setting with outstanding artwork.
• Lamentations of the Flame Princess Edgelords, cannot be contained. They were on the receiving end of the cancel mob and twiterati for a while.
• For Gold and Glory Nothing to suggest going woke, seems indifferent.
• Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper) Indifferent
• Sine Nomine (Scarlet Heroes, Stars Without Number Indifferent
• Symbaroum Haven't seen anything political from them

• Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) Giving them the benefit of the doubt for now unless someone shows otherwise but this was posted last year https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/ (https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/)
• Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
• Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
• Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
• Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands
• Monte Cook Games Poor Monte, used to make some good stuff. Tends to push things like consent forms in gaming, some stuff on mental illness but otherwise panders
• Mongoose Games Had a don't be a dick section in paranoia, recommended by poster. Open for debate whether yellow or green
• Modiphious Publishes some woke products, but doesn't seem to only publish woke products
• Pinnacle Entertainment (Savage Worlds/Deadlands) Removed the CSA from Deadlands and removed a lot of the old art that might offend anyone particuarly anything with partial nudity or more risque outfits. Also made sure there weren't "too many white guys" in their core rulebook. Still pretty solid but they pander or cave to demands occasionally
• Hero Games Hires sensitivity readers
• GURPs/Steve Jackson Games Banned by rpg net for not being woke, though some of the devs might be. Steven Jackson signed onto october surprise, so he did come down with a case of TDS
• Free League Standard "Gaming is for everyone" spiel, could go either way. Published forbidden lands, which slips in some anti woke themes. Yellow leaning Green
• Atlas Games (Ars Magica) President of Atlas-Games has total TDS and is another blue checkmark. Unsure of how badly it shows in there games. For now its yellow bordering on red.
• Edge Studios Acquired all of FFG rpg line, they toe the standard line and employ quite a few hardcore sjws
• Reaper Miniatures Had some drama about an employee getting into a fight with some antifa sympathizer. Read this and make up your own mind https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6txuht/reaper_miniatures_may_have_fired_a_guy_for_shit/

• Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
• Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
• Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
• Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
• Renegade Game Studios/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
• Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
• New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
• Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
• Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
• Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
• Ockult Ortmastare Games/Stockholm Cartell (Mork Borg) - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters
• Sigil Stone Publishing (Five Torches Deep) Just read the last page in FTD Origins. Titled: "BIOESSENTIALISM, RACISM, AND COLONIALISM
• Pelgraine Press (13th Age)  "The thing about SWGs (Straight White Guys) is that they make great punching bags. " Still need a citation for this but for now its going red. Also published #Feminism
• Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Owner Diogo Nogueira threatening to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
• Kobold Press Guide to game mastering has a whole section telling the reader to "check your privilege"
• The Design Mechanism ( Released a video stating if you voted for a certain political candidate you're not welcome to buy their game. They since deleted the video 
• Monte Cook Games (Numenera) Partners with Shanna Germain and wrote consent in gaming. Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red
• Arcanist Press Only make diversity products, they based their company on being woke
• Gencon A convention, but honorary assholes none the less. They go a bit ban happy, see Jeremy Hambley and the whole thing with "nu-tsr" despite being short lived.
• Coyote & Crow Bunch of actual racists making a racist game. Screeching about colonization and the whole premise of their game is what if white people didn't exist. One of the worst offenders on this list.
• Magpie Games (Avatar Legends RPG) Way into BLM and "Diversity and Inclusion, also hired Daniel Kwan from Asians Represent Youtube channel. They tried to get Oriental Adventures banned from one bookshelf and other storefronts. Markets their game as non western storytelling.

Quote from: Ocule on August 10, 2021, 11:55:49 AM
Also someone mentioned earlier Gallant Knight Games threatening to punch someone in the face at a con, any links or or sources on that?

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 10, 2021, 02:32:39 PM
Paranoia is almost a special case in my opinion, since the game is heavily weighted AGAINST being fair.

Having a 'don't be a dick' section in the GM manual doesn't strike me as excessive or wokeist. And honestly, it's less 'let's all be nice to each other' and more 'don't make it personal cause that's no fun'.

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 10, 2021, 08:15:26 AM
I know at my table for example, half the players are female. As a GM, I welcome any set of minis (Either premade, or, for me, 3D files to print myself) that has gender diversity.

It's not a historically accurate army, it's fantasy. If it's pandering to recognize the need for female minis, especially since there are more women playing RPGs than ever before, then so be it.

In my eyes, it's just good old capitalism; recognizing a market, and making a product people will buy.

QuoteReaper Miniatures Fired a guy from criticizing antifa on a personal page. Antifa supporters are automatic red

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 10, 2021, 07:30:41 AM...
Ok, any women in your little army figs is too much for you. Got it. You have issues, buddy, and I thank you for making them so obvious to all.

Quote from: happyhermit on August 10, 2021, 10:42:25 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 10, 2021, 07:30:41 AM...
Ok, any women in your little army figs is too much for you. Got it. You have issues, buddy, and I thank you for making them so obvious to all.

Are you ok? Because it looks like someone just said that they have an army of female figures and your response to that was; "Aha, so you are not ok with any female figures!".

Quote from: palaeomerus on August 11, 2021, 02:05:41 AM
Generally crass & snarky mental diagnoses based on partisan "tit for tat" contempt aren't going to tend to be especially well reasoned or demonstrated. I think GW is definitely doing it mainly for woke pandering fad compliance of "fierce stronk wammen is best champion", but I don't mind it that much. And if something HAS to be subjected to that the vapid silly MishMash of the mortal realms Lore is a damned good pick to take that hit. An exaggerated marketing focus on a Lady Stormcast with a suicide girls haircut is simply not the big thing that is wrong with AOS. Goofy shaggy fog high fantasy incoherence is. Not that I am against incoherence, and slap dash fun pastiche where things happen just because they seemed cool at the time. I just don't see that as Warhammer. I need more northern renaissance and there should be a Nuln for all that Nuln oil shader ink to be named after. Right now Warhammer is some hazy Opium Den version of its former self. MOAR SKELETONZ! MOAR RATS! MOAR LIZARD MEN AND NEKKID ELFY SORCERESS THANGS! MOAR DEAMONS! MOAR TREEZ!  Right now it is so everything that it's kind of nothing at all.

Quote from: Semaj Khan on August 11, 2021, 12:39:47 PM
So, there's an aspect to all this that may have something to do with what a lot of the companies (GW for example) are doing. Now, this ties into RPGs in a business way, so Pundit please ponder the value of this before you shitcan me.  ;D

If you're a corporation, then you have stocks. Stocks are bought and traded by stock brokers, and brokers have a particular scoring system (I can't recall the name of it at the moment) which they use to gauge whether or not a corp's stock is worth investing in. That scoring system has about three or four aspects... one is the environmentally friendly position of the corp... another is... what for it... how socially progressive the corporation is. Yes, that's an actual factor.

I suspect corporations like WOTC and GW are upping their desirability score with the brokers by making public statements, hiring diverse staff, and all the other pleasantries that go along with that sort of thing. 

I mean... if I were on the board for a corp like that, I'd consider it.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on August 11, 2021, 01:44:10 PM

Quote from: Semaj Khan on August 11, 2021, 12:39:47 PM
So, there's an aspect to all this that may have something to do with what a lot of the companies (GW for example) are doing. Now, this ties into RPGs in a business way, so Pundit please ponder the value of this before you shitcan me.  ;D

If you're a corporation, then you have stocks. Stocks are bought and traded by stock brokers, and brokers have a particular scoring system (I can't recall the name of it at the moment) which they use to gauge whether or not a corp's stock is worth investing in. That scoring system has about three or four aspects... one is the environmentally friendly position of the corp... another is... what for it... how socially progressive the corporation is. Yes, that's an actual factor.

I suspect corporations like WOTC and GW are upping their desirability score with the brokers by making public statements, hiring diverse staff, and all the other pleasantries that go along with that sort of thing. 

I mean... if I were on the board for a corp like that, I'd consider it.

  This works for the big names that are publicly traded--which is pretty much just WotC (as part of Hasbro), possibly GW, and maybe FFG and Daniel Fox's stuff (he's gotten into the big bookstores through Andrew McNeels Publishing). There may be a couple of others who are attached to big corporations I'm forgetting. Everyone else on the Red list is probably either cowed or a True Believer.

Quote from: TheShadowSpawn on August 10, 2021, 07:39:52 PM

QuoteReaper Miniatures Fired a guy from criticizing antifa on a personal page. Antifa supporters are automatic red

Are you sure on this one? I remember when it happened. He told some guy online that was calling everyone Nazis that he had no idea what a real Nazi was (which was true). It resulted in this idiot cancelling his pledge. The owner, I believe, asked the employee to refrain debating with customers, and the employee was upset at costing his company a sale. What happened after that I'm unsure of, but I took a tour of the factory and he was the one that gave the tour.

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 11, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 11, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

Quote from: SHARK on August 11, 2021, 08:10:22 PMWho the fuck started all of this bullshit? The goddamned LEFTIST CUNTS.

Quote from: SHARK on August 11, 2021, 08:10:22 PM
Give me a fucking break! *WE'RE* participating in CANCEL CULTURE???

Who the fuck started all of this bullshit? The goddamned LEFTIST CUNTS.

Quote from: ShieldWife on August 11, 2021, 08:57:20 PM

Quote from: SHARK on August 11, 2021, 08:10:22 PMWho the fuck started all of this bullshit? The goddamned LEFTIST CUNTS.

Amen!

I'm not giving my money to a bunch of leftists who would kill me if they could, so that they can use that money to spread lies and propaganda, and to terrorize and intimidate their ideological opponents. I consider it to be a moral imperative to boycott these leftist companies if we are at all able - not just the RPG companies but Hollywood, Disney, Nike, all of the big corporations which are using their wealth and power to push a radical hateful agenda.

As you say, they started this. They don't want us to have any entertainment that is free of their propaganda, they dox people and get them fired for disagreeing with their crazy ideology. So I will oblige them and not give them a cent of my money. So I'm very happy to see a list like this so I can know what companies to avoid. Maybe at some point in the past we could have ignored the ideology of the people who make our RPGs but today we're way past that and that was their choice, not ours.

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 11, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 12:27:17 AM
My exposure to woke in RPGs has been exclusive to TBP.  I was so disgusted by it I joined this shitshow   ;D   So I'm curious, what publishers have been guilty of "radical left", "cancel culture", ect?   And what have they said/done?   For my info only because I'm not the type gives enough of a fuck to go on Twitter and see what the guy/gal who wrote some part of my game book thinks.

Quote from: SHARK on August 11, 2021, 08:10:22 PM
Greetings!

Give me a fucking break! *WE'RE* participating in CANCEL CULTURE???

Who the fuck started all of this bullshit? The goddamned LEFTIST CUNTS.

So, the cock-sucking Marxists can choke on it. Too bad if they don't like "Cancel Culture". Normal people have a right to defend themselves, and express themselves.

Roll all these whiny Marxist fuckers in glass. RUIN them. Don't buy from them. MOCK them relentlessly, and make them cry and feel *Unsafe*!! Whaa! Whaa! EXCLUDE them. Don't coddle them, or tolerate them. Kick them to the fucking curb at every opportunity.

They wanted war. They thought they can brow beat and intimidate and "Cancel" whoever they want.

Let them burn in the napalm of harsh reality.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 02:19:14 PM
Kobold Press seems to be OK. I haven't seen anything woke or crazy from them or their authors

Quote from: Crusader X on August 05, 2021, 05:57:08 PM

Quote from: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 02:19:14 PM
Kobold Press seems to be OK. I haven't seen anything woke or crazy from them or their authors

unless someone else has seen something

The Kobold Guide to Gamemastering harps about white males checking their privilege at the gaming table.  They also pretty much say you're a bigot if you think that transmen or transwomen are "in any way undesirable or abnormal".

Kobold = Woke

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 11, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 12:34:55 AM
I saw the list.  With a few exceptions most of those in red are either woke pandering, virtue signaling or just plain stating their ideology.  I want the juicy "radical left destroying" stories.

Quote from: Almost_Useless on August 11, 2021, 11:27:58 PM

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 11, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

When these creators tell me if I believe this, or vote that way, or belong to this group, they don't want my business, what would you propose I do?

I like all kinds of games.  OSR, 5e, hippy story games, and all kinds in between.  Some of the people on the "bad" lists make stuff I like.  I'm grown-up enough to handle people having different opinions from me.  But if a creator insists on making my decision political (looking at you Evil Hat), I guess I will.  I'm not cancelling anyone.  I'm doing what they asked.

Quote from: oggsmash on August 12, 2021, 06:31:47 AM

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 11, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

  Overt politicization will contribute to the (lack) of quality of a game.  There is no purported politics, they are often overt, that list I can not speak to, but someone like Crawford is loud and proud. 
  You put cancel culture in quotes as if it is not a real thing.  Not buying things from people who overtly hate you is NOT cancel culture.  Trying to end someone's career or any position in public life is.  If you are going to use words, understand them first IMO.

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 12, 2021, 11:47:09 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 12, 2021, 06:31:47 AM

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 11, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

  Overt politicization will contribute to the (lack) of quality of a game.  There is no purported politics, they are often overt, that list I can not speak to, but someone like Crawford is loud and proud. 
  You put cancel culture in quotes as if it is not a real thing.  Not buying things from people who overtly hate you is NOT cancel culture.  Trying to end someone's career or any position in public life is.  If you are going to use words, understand them first IMO.

So Reaper Miniature is on the list.  I'm very curious to know how they've shown they hate you. 

If people didn't buy from companies that hate their customers, none of us would have cable/internet.

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 12:34:55 AM
I saw the list.  With a few exceptions most of those in red are either woke pandering, virtue signaling or just plain stating their ideology.  I want the juicy "radical left destroying" stories.

Quote from: Ocule on August 12, 2021, 02:53:23 PM

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 12:34:55 AM
I saw the list.  With a few exceptions most of those in red are either woke pandering, virtue signaling or just plain stating their ideology.  I want the juicy "radical left destroying" stories.

I tried to keep most of the explanations concise, or to point the reader in a direction they can google. It would be a novel if I documented all the reasons why they went insane.

When going up against people with no morality where nothing is off limits or taboo it is the most dangerous of opponents. Because they are willing to do anything to win, and get their way. Someone who goes into a battle with things like honor, pride etc it is a weakness because it can be exploited. This doesn't mean stoop to their level and throw your own morality out the window in order to win, at the same time need to be able to take steps to prevent them from utilizing a weapon that you won't touch. In this case cancel culture. Here we are striking back by giving more attention to the canceled, directing people to look into their products. If they aren't good then don't buy them but you never know, you might find something you really enjoy made by someone who doesn't want to see you put up against a wall and shot.

I'm not telling anyone to boycott anything, just know what you're buying and maybe find a new game line in the process.

Quote from: TheShadowSpawn on August 12, 2021, 03:04:12 PM

Quote from: Ocule on August 12, 2021, 02:53:23 PM

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 12:34:55 AM
I saw the list.  With a few exceptions most of those in red are either woke pandering, virtue signaling or just plain stating their ideology.  I want the juicy "radical left destroying" stories.

I tried to keep most of the explanations concise, or to point the reader in a direction they can google. It would be a novel if I documented all the reasons why they went insane.

When going up against people with no morality where nothing is off limits or taboo it is the most dangerous of opponents. Because they are willing to do anything to win, and get their way. Someone who goes into a battle with things like honor, pride etc it is a weakness because it can be exploited. This doesn't mean stoop to their level and throw your own morality out the window in order to win, at the same time need to be able to take steps to prevent them from utilizing a weapon that you won't touch. In this case cancel culture. Here we are striking back by giving more attention to the canceled, directing people to look into their products. If they aren't good then don't buy them but you never know, you might find something you really enjoy made by someone who doesn't want to see you put up against a wall and shot.

I'm not telling anyone to boycott anything, just know what you're buying and maybe find a new game line in the process.

It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 11, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AMDo your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AMDo your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the "he's a nazi" talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that's the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I'm not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AMDo your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying ... <something you remember>

Quote from: Zalman on August 12, 2021, 07:22:43 PM

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AMDo your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying ... <something you remember>

That's some pretty cursory "research" right there! (And some pretty fuzzy memory to boot).

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 12, 2021, 11:47:09 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 12, 2021, 06:31:47 AM

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 11, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

  Overt politicization will contribute to the (lack) of quality of a game.  There is no purported politics, they are often overt, that list I can not speak to, but someone like Crawford is loud and proud. 
  You put cancel culture in quotes as if it is not a real thing.  Not buying things from people who overtly hate you is NOT cancel culture.  Trying to end someone's career or any position in public life is.  If you are going to use words, understand them first IMO.

So Reaper Miniature is on the list.  I'm very curious to know how they've shown they hate you. 

If people didn't buy from companies that hate their customers, none of us would have cable/internet.

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AMDo your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the "he's a nazi" talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that's the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I'm not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 07:34:05 PM

Quote from: Zalman on August 12, 2021, 07:22:43 PM

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AMDo your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying ... <something you remember>

That's some pretty cursory "research" right there! (And some pretty fuzzy memory to boot).

Let me get something straight.  My give a fuck level about this topic extends to posting on this forum and only because it's entertaining and there's some smart/eloquent people on here.  Nor am I gobbling some quasi internet celebrity's nuts as seems to be the trend these days.  I'm reading on this thread about the destruction of the hobby by some radical faction.  But to me it just appears to be the usual twats being twats and the hobby will survive intact.

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 07:34:05 PM

Quote from: Zalman on August 12, 2021, 07:22:43 PM

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AMDo your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying ... <something you remember>

That's some pretty cursory "research" right there! (And some pretty fuzzy memory to boot).

Let me get something straight.  My give a fuck level about this topic extends to posting on this forum and only because it's entertaining and there's some smart/eloquent people on here.  Nor am I gobbling some quasi internet celebrity's nuts as seems to be the trend these days.  I'm reading on this thread about the destruction of the hobby by some radical faction.  But to me it just appears to be the usual twats being twats and the hobby will survive intact.

Quote from: TheShadowSpawn on August 12, 2021, 03:04:12 PM
It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.

Quote from: palaeomerus on August 12, 2021, 08:23:43 PM

Quote from: TheShadowSpawn on August 12, 2021, 03:04:12 PM
It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.

Per the Reaper listing:

I am not at all confident in the reliability or accuracy of Ian Miles Cheong as he is a click bait shit stirrer, and Daily Caller is a right wing news/opinion  blogger/aggregator thing so again their content is slanted. This is not anything like an objective report.

But this article at least gets you a name, approx. date, the venue being facebook, and other particulars.

https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/15/toy-company-reprimands-employee-for-condemning-antifa/

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Reaper maintained a pro BLM statement on their latest news section of their front page as recently as June 2021.

(https://i.imgur.com/WtRqwdV.png)

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 12, 2021, 08:09:26 PM

1.- Fuck the Quartering

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 10:14:03 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 12, 2021, 08:09:26 PM

1.- Fuck the Quartering

The Quartering was the canary in the coal mine.  Next it could be you, or me who gets blindsided.

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 12, 2021, 05:48:00 PMI don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on August 12, 2021, 11:17:11 PM
Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on August 12, 2021, 11:17:11 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 12, 2021, 05:48:00 PMI don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.

This statement could easily be taken from any proto-wokester's social media from a few years ago. The spirit is the same: damning people for Wrongthink.

No.

Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on August 12, 2021, 11:17:11 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 12, 2021, 05:48:00 PMI don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.

This statement could easily be taken from any proto-wokester's social media from a few years ago. The spirit is the same: damning people for Wrongthink.

No.

Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 13, 2021, 02:08:29 AM
Wrong, we're damning people for their actions, for their support of murderous movements, of racist and sexist ideologies, for giving them aid and cover.

Another important difference: We're not trying to get them destroyed, we're just choosing not to buy from people that hate us.

You might think that buying from the invading army isn't relevant and you'd be wrong.

Quote from: TheShadowSpawn on August 12, 2021, 09:00:05 PM

Quote from: palaeomerus on August 12, 2021, 08:23:43 PM

Quote from: TheShadowSpawn on August 12, 2021, 03:04:12 PM
It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.

Per the Reaper listing:

I am not at all confident in the reliability or accuracy of Ian Miles Cheong as he is a click bait shit stirrer, and Daily Caller is a right wing news/opinion  blogger/aggregator thing so again their content is slanted. This is not anything like an objective report.

But this article at least gets you a name, approx. date, the venue being facebook, and other particulars.

https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/15/toy-company-reprimands-employee-for-condemning-antifa/

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Reaper maintained a pro BLM statement on their latest news section of their front page as recently as June 2021.

(https://i.imgur.com/WtRqwdV.png)

I really don't think he was fired, as weeks after the incident he was giving a tour of the facility. Maybe my dates are mixed up but I don't think so

The virtue signaling is troublesome , but almost every large company did that during the riots. Of anything I'd keep them on yellow.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on August 12, 2021, 11:17:11 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 12, 2021, 05:48:00 PMI don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.

This statement could easily be taken from any proto-wokester's social media from a few years ago. The spirit is the same: damning people for Wrongthink.

No.

Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.

Quote from: TheShadowSpawn on August 12, 2021, 09:00:05 PM
Reaper maintained a pro BLM statement on their latest news section of their front page as recently as June 2021.

(https://i.imgur.com/WtRqwdV.png)

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on August 12, 2021, 11:17:11 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 12, 2021, 05:48:00 PMI don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.

This statement could easily be taken from any proto-wokester's social media from a few years ago. The spirit is the same: damning people for Wrongthink.

Quote from: myleftnut on August 13, 2021, 04:02:48 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 13, 2021, 02:08:29 AM
Wrong, we're damning people for their actions, for their support of murderous movements, of racist and sexist ideologies, for giving them aid and cover.

Another important difference: We're not trying to get them destroyed, we're just choosing not to buy from people that hate us.

You might think that buying from the invading army isn't relevant and you'd be wrong.

This is getting good.  Who's getting murdered?   When you say racist/sexist...you're talking about white dudes?

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the attacker wouldn't have settled if he could win the law suit.

Quote from: Manic Modron on August 13, 2021, 01:08:41 PM

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the attacker wouldn't have settled if he could win the law suit.

Not really directed at GeekyBugle, or regarding the case in question, but something to keep in mind about lawsuits in general.
Settling isn't always a matter of whether you will win or lose, but whether the battle is worth the expense.  Plenty of settlements are people who could probably win, but would be wind up crushed by legal fees.

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AMDo your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the "he's a nazi" talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that's the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I'm not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 13, 2021, 01:31:07 PM
Saint Fraudnita Shekelsian?

Quote from: S'mon on August 13, 2021, 03:07:51 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 13, 2021, 01:31:07 PM
Saint Fraudnita Shekelsian?

I don't think Pundit likes anti-Semitic tropes.
And Sarkesian's ethnicity is generic men-with-gold-chains, not Jewish afaict.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 13, 2021, 01:31:07 PM

Correct, do you think this applies here?

Quote from: S'mon on August 13, 2021, 03:07:51 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 13, 2021, 01:31:07 PM
Saint Fraudnita Shekelsian?

I don't think Pundit likes anti-Semitic tropes.
And Sarkesian's ethnicity is generic men-with-gold-chains, not Jewish afaict.

Quote from: palaeomerus on August 14, 2021, 12:13:32 AM
It's an Armenian name. 

Quote from: consolcwby on August 13, 2021, 08:58:11 PM
Woke == Anti-semite
Proof: https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/08/14/woke-anti-semitism/amp/

BLM == Black Liberation Movement
Proof: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/blm-uk-gains-legal-status-with-renaming-as-black-liberation-movement-uk

The Weathermen and BLM joined forces back in the late 60s early 70s and promoted killing children, the white 'man', and raping women. Once both groups had come under the FBI's thumb, BLM then became part and parcel of louis farrakhan's group Nation Of Islam, of which OBAMA was a member of. The group is Anti-semetic.
Proof: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/louis-farrakhan

Therefore, those here who are 'WOKE', as well as elsewhere, ARE TRAITOROUS MURDERERS HELLBENT ON EXTERMINATION OF JEWS, CHRISTIANS, et. al.
These are them who call EVIL = GOOD, AND GOOD = EVIL.  Thus they are the armies of ANTI-CHRIST!
That's the jist of it.
fnord.

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AMDo your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the "he's a nazi" talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that's the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I'm not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 15, 2021, 02:00:04 AM

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AMDo your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the "he's a nazi" talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that's the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I'm not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

There was video of the incident. The guy in question came out of nowhere while Jeremy was eating at a restaurant outside of the convention area, and started attacking him with no provocation.

Gencon's response was to ban Jeremy for life from the convention.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 15, 2021, 10:51:55 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 15, 2021, 02:00:04 AM

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AMDo your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the "he's a nazi" talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that's the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I'm not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

There was video of the incident. The guy in question came out of nowhere while Jeremy was eating at a restaurant outside of the convention area, and started attacking him with no provocation.

Gencon's response was to ban Jeremy for life from the convention.

There was a LOT of speculation that someone in GenCon put Loter up to it, and it gave them an excuse to ban Hambly because 'he causes drama' or somesuch.

Even if you think Hambly is a moron, that doesn't give people an excuse to attack him. It's the same stupid argument used for 'punch Nazis!' -- because the definition of 'Nazi' seems to keep devolving.

Quote from: Snowman0147 on August 15, 2021, 11:19:49 AM
Can we get back on the lists?  I mean who else is green?

Quote from: Ocule on August 15, 2021, 03:05:21 PM
Who was it that attacked him? Wasn't he a journalist or YouTuber or something? I don't think he made any games. I'll need to start looking at more obscure titles at this rate. Should we include third party publishers for other titles as well?

Quote from: Ocule on August 03, 2021, 12:26:41 PM

Red
Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.

• Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,

Quote from: RebelSky on August 16, 2021, 02:48:17 PM
Put Magpie Games in the Red.

Quote from: Ocule on August 16, 2021, 03:05:17 PM

Quote from: RebelSky on August 16, 2021, 02:48:17 PM
Put Magpie Games in the Red.

Having trouble finding anything concise on some really slow data atm. What's with magpie games, I can see zakS trying to come up on a search but not what magpie actually did

Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on August 16, 2021, 06:53:32 PM
I look at these companies, Dungeons and Dragons, Star Wars, Marvel comics, just about anything in the mainstream media today, and I wonder when it happened. How did we get here?  :-[

Quote from: Ocule on August 10, 2021, 02:07:52 PM
Updated List

Green
Not Woke or Indifferent

• RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
• Troll Lord Games (Castles and Crusades/Siege Engine) Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
• Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
• Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
• Autarch/ACKS Definitely not woke
• Necrotic Gnome (Old School Essentials) Makes a point to be apolitical
• Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products
• OSRIC Hasn't given any indication of getting political
• Whitebox: FMAG No indication of getting poltical
• Goblinoid Games (Labyrinth Lord) No indication of getting political
• Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
• Post Mortem Studios (Tales of Gor, Punk RPG, Grimdark) Visit the storefront, can't imagine them giving a shit what people think
• Palladium Does what they have always done, make gonzo worlds
• North Wind Adventures (Astonishing Swordsman and Sorcerers of Hyperborea) Hired some woke artist, but otherwise seems faithful to AD&D. Doesnt Appear to get preachy
• Kort'thalis Publishing/Venger Satanis (Alpha Blue, Cha'alt) Anti SJW
• Peterson Games (Cthulhu Mythos among others) They tried to cancel him for thinking that men shouldn't compete in women's sports. Seems like a genuinely nice dude
• Riot Minds (Trudvang, Lex Occultum) Does not appear to be political, you can get their proprietary system or the D&D adaptation or adopt the setting to your own system. It's a beautiful setting with outstanding artwork.
• Lamentations of the Flame Princess Edgelords, cannot be contained. They were on the receiving end of the cancel mob and twiterati for a while.
• For Gold and Glory Nothing to suggest going woke, seems indifferent.
• Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper) Indifferent
• Sine Nomine (Scarlet Heroes, Stars Without Number Indifferent
• Symbaroum Haven't seen anything political from them
• Schwalb Entertainment (Shadow of the Demon Lord) They bent the knee a while back and put a pro BLM message though it has been taken down since, so they get to be green for now. More information is needed

Yellow
Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke

• Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) Giving them the benefit of the doubt for now unless someone shows otherwise but this was posted last year https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/ (https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/)
• Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
• Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
• Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
• Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands
• Monte Cook Games Poor Monte, used to make some good stuff. Tends to push things like consent forms in gaming, some stuff on mental illness but otherwise panders
• Mongoose Games Had a don't be a dick section in paranoia, recommended by poster. Open for debate whether yellow or green
• Modiphious Publishes some woke products, but doesn't seem to only publish woke products
• Pinnacle Entertainment (Savage Worlds/Deadlands) Removed the CSA from Deadlands and removed a lot of the old art that might offend anyone particuarly anything with partial nudity or more risque outfits. Also made sure there weren't "too many white guys" in their core rulebook. Still pretty solid but they pander or cave to demands occasionally
• Hero Games Hires sensitivity readers
• GURPs/Steve Jackson Games Banned by rpg net for not being woke, though some of the devs might be. Steven Jackson signed onto october surprise, so he did come down with a case of TDS
• Free League Standard "Gaming is for everyone" spiel, could go either way. Published forbidden lands, which slips in some anti woke themes. Yellow leaning Green
• Atlas Games (Ars Magica) President of Atlas-Games has total TDS and is another blue checkmark. Unsure of how badly it shows in there games. For now its yellow bordering on red.
• Edge Studios Acquired all of FFG rpg line, they toe the standard line and employ quite a few hardcore sjws
• Reaper Miniatures Had some drama about an employee getting into a fight with some antifa sympathizer. Read this and make up your own mind https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6txuht/reaper_miniatures_may_have_fired_a_guy_for_shit/

Red
Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.

• Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
• Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
• Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
• Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
• Renegade Game Studios/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
• Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
• New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
• Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
• Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
• Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
• Ockult Ortmastare Games/Stockholm Cartell (Mork Borg) - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters
• Sigil Stone Publishing (Five Torches Deep) Just read the last page in FTD Origins. Titled: "BIOESSENTIALISM, RACISM, AND COLONIALISM
• Pelgraine Press (13th Age)  "The thing about SWGs (Straight White Guys) is that they make great punching bags. " Still need a citation for this but for now its going red. Also published #Feminism
• Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Partnered with Diogo Nogueira
• Kobold Press Guide to game mastering has a whole section telling the reader to "check your privilege"
• The Design Mechanism ( Released a video stating if you voted for a certain political candidate you're not welcome to buy their game. They since deleted the video 
• Monte Cook Games (Numenera) Partners with Shanna Germain and wrote consent in gaming. Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red
• Arcanist Press Only make diversity products, they based their company on being woke
• Gencon A convention, but honorary assholes none the less. They go a bit ban happy, see Jeremy Hambley and the whole thing with "nu-tsr" despite being short lived.
• Coyote & Crow Bunch of actual racists making a racist game. Screeching about colonization and the whole premise of their game is what if white people didn't exist. One of the worst offenders on this list.
• Magpie Games (Avatar Legends RPG) Way into BLM and "Diversity and Inclusion, also hired Daniel Kwan from Asians Represent Youtube channel. They tried to get Oriental Adventures banned from one bookshelf and other storefronts. Markets their game as non western storytelling.
• Old Skull Publishing  Diogo Nogueira who threatened to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.

Quote from: Ocule on August 10, 2021, 02:07:52 PM
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Red
Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.

• ...
  
• Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Owner Diogo Nogueira threatening to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
• ...
  

Quote from: palaeomerus on August 18, 2021, 01:17:35 AM
Larry is not at all shy about ripping into the people who annoy him online and making a laughingstock of them to his growing audience, so I very much doubt Mr. Nogueura would enjoy barking up that particular tree. Larry is also into gaming both tactical miniature stuff and roleplaying so he'd care enough to get involved if someone gave him a reason to by trying to shut him up or shame him. He's quite large, good with words, funny, used to train people in firearms use, rich from his books, and did some forensic accounting before that so he is well equipped to engage on any front with anyone trying to cancel him or make problems for him.

Quote from: Ocule on August 18, 2021, 07:22:05 AM

Quote from: palaeomerus on August 18, 2021, 01:17:35 AM
Larry is not at all shy about ripping into the people who annoy him online and making a laughingstock of them to his growing audience, so I very much doubt Mr. Nogueura would enjoy barking up that particular tree. Larry is also into gaming both tactical miniature stuff and roleplaying so he'd care enough to get involved if someone gave him a reason to by trying to shut him up or shame him. He's quite large, good with words, funny, used to train people in firearms use, rich from his books, and did some forensic accounting before that so he is well equipped to engage on any front with anyone trying to cancel him or make problems for him.

He has been on the receiving end of the cancel mob for a while now

Quote from: Plotinus on August 18, 2021, 11:08:39 AM
Does anyone have the receipts on Nogueira threatening to punch Venger? I cannot find anything about it on the internet.

Quote from: SirBercelak on August 17, 2021, 05:38:17 PM

Quote from: Ocule on August 10, 2021, 02:07:52 PM
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Red
Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.

• ...
  
• Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Owner Diogo Nogueira threatening to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
• ...
  

Huh, Gallant Knight Games being red, in both senses of the word, is unexpected. They published and still sell Larry Correia's "Monster Hunter International RPG: Savage World's Edition", so I would have figured they wouldn't be all that bad. Good to know going forward. And good for Larry managing to work with these guys.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on August 18, 2021, 11:34:07 AM
   Diogo Nogueira's the founder of Old Skull Publishing, which partners with Gallant Knight Games for production/distribution, but he's not an owner of GKG per se.

Quote from: Ocule on August 10, 2021, 02:07:52 PM
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Red
Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.

• ...
  
• Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Owner Diogo Nogueira threatening to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
• ...
  

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 19, 2021, 08:09:12 AM
OK. Here's an interesting one, Heroforge. It's pretty clear they are woke when you are on their site, but not in a in your face way. I've seen pictures of some of the team, who appear to be stereotypical SJW types. The company has a combat wheelchair as an option for a mount/vehicle, and every conceivable variation of alternate sexuality flags, many of which I didn't know were even a thing.

However, (and mind you, I killed my twitter account long ago) I've never seen any overt preachiness from the company.

Going to the site makes me feel like I am sneaking through a camp of sleeping goblins.

Yellow because of their obvious leanings?

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 19, 2021, 08:15:49 AM

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 19, 2021, 08:09:12 AM
OK. Here's an interesting one, Heroforge. It's pretty clear they are woke when you are on their site, but not in a in your face way. I've seen pictures of some of the team, who appear to be stereotypical SJW types. The company has a combat wheelchair as an option for a mount/vehicle, and every conceivable variation of alternate sexuality flags, many of which I didn't know were even a thing.

However, (and mind you, I killed my twitter account long ago) I've never seen any overt preachiness from the company.

Going to the site makes me feel like I am sneaking through a camp of sleeping goblins.

Yellow because of their obvious leanings?

Hard to say if they have actual leanings or are just genuflecting or playing follow the leader.

Keep in mind Heroforge's schtick is custom figs. If there's enough demand for an option, chances are good they'll plug it in. Even if there's not a LOT of demand, it costs them very little to build the 3D render -- a customer who wants the option will pay for the fig.

I would say yellow and just wait and see.

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 19, 2021, 08:19:48 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 19, 2021, 08:15:49 AM

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 19, 2021, 08:09:12 AM
OK. Here's an interesting one, Heroforge. It's pretty clear they are woke when you are on their site, but not in a in your face way. I've seen pictures of some of the team, who appear to be stereotypical SJW types. The company has a combat wheelchair as an option for a mount/vehicle, and every conceivable variation of alternate sexuality flags, many of which I didn't know were even a thing.

However, (and mind you, I killed my twitter account long ago) I've never seen any overt preachiness from the company.

Going to the site makes me feel like I am sneaking through a camp of sleeping goblins.

Yellow because of their obvious leanings?

Hard to say if they have actual leanings or are just genuflecting or playing follow the leader.

Keep in mind Heroforge's schtick is custom figs. If there's enough demand for an option, chances are good they'll plug it in. Even if there's not a LOT of demand, it costs them very little to build the 3D render -- a customer who wants the option will pay for the fig.

I would say yellow and just wait and see.

I guess the easy way to find out is to start requesting MAGA banners for minis, and see what happens.

• RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
• Troll Lord Games (Castles and Crusades/Siege Engine) Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
• Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
• Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
• Autarch/ACKS Definitely not woke
• Necrotic Gnome (Old School Essentials) Makes a point to be apolitical
• Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products
• OSRIC Hasn't given any indication of getting political
• Whitebox: FMAG No indication of getting poltical
• Goblinoid Games (Labyrinth Lord) No indication of getting political
• Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
• Post Mortem Studios (Tales of Gor, Punk RPG, Grimdark) Visit the storefront, can't imagine them giving a shit what people think
• Palladium Does what they have always done, make gonzo worlds
• North Wind Adventures (Astonishing Swordsman and Sorcerers of Hyperborea) Hired some woke artist, but otherwise seems faithful to AD&D. Doesnt Appear to get preachy
• Kort'thalis Publishing/Venger Satanis (Alpha Blue, Cha'alt) Anti SJW
• Peterson Games (Cthulhu Mythos among others) They tried to cancel him for thinking that men shouldn't compete in women's sports. Seems like a genuinely nice dude
• Riot Minds (Trudvang, Lex Occultum) Does not appear to be political, you can get their proprietary system or the D&D adaptation or adopt the setting to your own system. It's a beautiful setting with outstanding artwork.
• Lamentations of the Flame Princess Edgelords, cannot be contained. They were on the receiving end of the cancel mob and twiterati for a while.
• For Gold and Glory Nothing to suggest going woke, seems indifferent.
• Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper) Indifferent
• Sine Nomine (Scarlet Heroes, Stars Without Number Indifferent
• Symbaroum Haven't seen anything political from them
• Schwalb Entertainment (Shadow of the Demon Lord) They bent the knee a while back and put a pro BLM message though it has been taken down since, so they get to be green for now. More information is needed

• Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) Giving them the benefit of the doubt for now unless someone shows otherwise but this was posted last year https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/ (https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/)
• Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
• Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
• Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
• Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands
• Monte Cook Games Poor Monte, used to make some good stuff. Tends to push things like consent forms in gaming, some stuff on mental illness but otherwise panders
• Mongoose Games Had a don't be a dick section in paranoia, recommended by poster. Open for debate whether yellow or green
• Modiphious Publishes some woke products, but doesn't seem to only publish woke products
• Pinnacle Entertainment (Savage Worlds/Deadlands) Removed the CSA from Deadlands and removed a lot of the old art that might offend anyone particuarly anything with partial nudity or more risque outfits. Also made sure there weren't "too many white guys" in their core rulebook. Still pretty solid but they pander or cave to demands occasionally
• Hero Games Hires sensitivity readers
• GURPs/Steve Jackson Games Banned by rpg net for not being woke, though some of the devs might be. Steven Jackson signed onto october surprise, so he did come down with a case of TDS
• Free League Standard "Gaming is for everyone" spiel, could go either way. Published forbidden lands, which slips in some anti woke themes. Yellow leaning Green
• Atlas Games (Ars Magica) President of Atlas-Games has total TDS and is another blue checkmark. Unsure of how badly it shows in there games. For now its yellow bordering on red.
• Edge Studios Acquired all of FFG rpg line, they toe the standard line and employ quite a few hardcore sjws
• Reaper Miniatures Had some drama about an employee getting into a fight with some antifa sympathizer. Read this and make up your own mind https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6txuht/reaper_miniatures_may_have_fired_a_guy_for_shit/
• Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Partnered with Diogo Nogueira. Moved here from red but has a strong relationship with Diogo as far as I know but I can't find examples of them actually doing anything wrong other than that.
• Heroforge Miniatures They pander hard, are not overt about it but i'm sure they will do something stupid soon.

• Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
• Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
• Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
• Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
• Renegade Game Studios/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
• Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
• New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
• Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
• Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
• Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
• Ockult Ortmastare Games/Stockholm Cartell (Mork Borg) - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters
• Sigil Stone Publishing (Five Torches Deep) Just read the last page in FTD Origins. Titled: "BIOESSENTIALISM, RACISM, AND COLONIALISM
• Pelgraine Press (13th Age)  "The thing about SWGs (Straight White Guys) is that they make great punching bags. " Still need a citation for this but for now its going red. Also published #Feminism
• Kobold Press Guide to game mastering has a whole section telling the reader to "check your privilege"
• The Design Mechanism ( Released a video stating if you voted for a certain political candidate you're not welcome to buy their game. They since deleted the video 
• Monte Cook Games (Numenera) Partners with Shanna Germain and wrote consent in gaming. Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red
• Arcanist Press Only make diversity products, they based their company on being woke
• Gencon A convention, but honorary assholes none the less. They go a bit ban happy, see Jeremy Hambley and the whole thing with "nu-tsr" despite being short lived.
• Coyote & Crow Bunch of actual racists making a racist game. Screeching about colonization and the whole premise of their game is what if white people didn't exist. One of the worst offenders on this list.
• Magpie Games (Avatar Legends RPG) Way into BLM and "Diversity and Inclusion, also hired Daniel Kwan from Asians Represent Youtube channel. They tried to get Oriental Adventures banned from one bookshelf and other storefronts. Markets their game as non western storytelling.
• Old Skull Publishing  Diogo Nogueira who threatened to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
• Games Workshop (Warhammer 40k, Age of Sigmar, Warhammer Fantasy) IP owners and miniature producers since we are including those for right now. Honorary Dingdong, crimes include general shittyness, going after people for copyright for material they themselves have stolen or "borrowed" and other scummy business practices. They drank the kool-aid a while ago and have actually attacked fans of the franchise for wrongthink. Cool universe, but don't give em money if you dont have to. Chinacast, 3d printing, etc
  
• Wizkids Puts the pronouns of their models on the boxes now, also partnered with hasbro
• Arc Knight Publishing (Delta Green) Delta Green Handlers guide has a whole section on Trump. They are actually more hostile to Trump than actual historical nazis.

Quote from: Dropbear on August 19, 2021, 07:00:21 AM

Quote from: Ocule on August 10, 2021, 02:07:52 PM
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Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.

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• Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Owner Diogo Nogueira threatening to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
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I've got their Tiny Frontiers, Stranger Stuff, For Coin and Blood stuff as well as all of the SS&SS and SB&CS stuff. Not seeing a woke message in print in any of them.

Also, I don't keep up with the authors as far as their personal politics. So long as it's not embedded into the materials, I simply do not care what they believe politically.

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Lovecraft, The Mythos & Racism is a both a simple topic, and yet one fraught with complication.

H.P. Lovecraft was undeniably and factually racist. There is explicitly racist content, as well as racist overtones, in the Mythos texts he wrote.

Full stop.

Enjoying the Mythos, liking the Mythos, and wanting to tell your own stories in the Mythos does not make you a racist.

Full stop.

But it does present a necessary challenge to the GM and players. Our guiding rule at GKG is that no one should feel excluded, left out, insulted, or harmed by the content presented in our games, and we strongly hope that you feel the same way regarding the content at your table.

We'd encourage you to take a look at the material you are presenting, the parts of the Mythos you are drawing on, and consider how your game, stories, and characters impact others at your table (especially those already fighting in the real world for equal and fair treatment.)

Racist, misogynistic, discriminatory, or any other form of exclusionary behavior at your table is wrong. If you're engaging in that behavior at your table, you are in the wrong.

Full stop.

It's possible to take flawed art and flawed artists and build upon the valuable parts of what they created to make something new, better, and inclusionary.

We hope that Tiny Cthulhu will provide you with the tools you need to do so.

Quote from: FingerRod on August 19, 2021, 05:29:11 PM

Quote from: Dropbear on August 19, 2021, 07:00:21 AM

Quote from: Ocule on August 10, 2021, 02:07:52 PM
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Red
Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.

• ...
  
• Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Owner Diogo Nogueira threatening to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
• ...
  

I've got their Tiny Frontiers, Stranger Stuff, For Coin and Blood stuff as well as all of the SS&SS and SB&CS stuff. Not seeing a woke message in print in any of them.

Also, I don't keep up with the authors as far as their personal politics. So long as it's not embedded into the materials, I simply do not care what they believe politically.

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Lovecraft, The Mythos & Racism is a both a simple topic, and yet one fraught with complication.

H.P. Lovecraft was undeniably and factually racist. There is explicitly racist content, as well as racist overtones, in the Mythos texts he wrote.

Full stop.

Enjoying the Mythos, liking the Mythos, and wanting to tell your own stories in the Mythos does not make you a racist.

Full stop.

But it does present a necessary challenge to the GM and players. Our guiding rule at GKG is that no one should feel excluded, left out, insulted, or harmed by the content presented in our games, and we strongly hope that you feel the same way regarding the content at your table.

We'd encourage you to take a look at the material you are presenting, the parts of the Mythos you are drawing on, and consider how your game, stories, and characters impact others at your table (especially those already fighting in the real world for equal and fair treatment.)

Racist, misogynistic, discriminatory, or any other form of exclusionary behavior at your table is wrong. If you're engaging in that behavior at your table, you are in the wrong.

Full stop.

It's possible to take flawed art and flawed artists and build upon the valuable parts of what they created to make something new, better, and inclusionary.

We hope that Tiny Cthulhu will provide you with the tools you need to do so.

That is the extent of the politics inserted into the most recent Tiny franchise. I agree with you. While calling it out like this to start your book is a head scratcher, I wouldn't call it 'woke'.

The Full Stop stuff is a little cunty given that is literally what a period accomplishes, but whatever, I have seen him in other settings and he comes across as somebody I could easily get along with.

Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on August 19, 2021, 07:04:10 PM
Here's a question: looking at the RED "woke" companies- when did it happen? Were they always like that? Were they YELLOW at some point?

If so, then how long before the GREEN and YELLOW start shifting?

Quote from: FingerRod on August 19, 2021, 05:29:11 PM

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Lovecraft, The Mythos & Racism is a both a simple topic, and yet one fraught with complication.

H.P. Lovecraft was undeniably and factually racist. There is explicitly racist content, as well as racist overtones, in the Mythos texts he wrote.

Full stop.

Quote from: Ocule on August 19, 2021, 07:32:39 PM
I think pretty much most companies in the red category were at some point yellow or even green. It's only in the last few years since like what 2016 or so this shit has gotten out of hand. I don't know if it's just buying into the bullshit or if they secretly were these fucking assholes and now have permission to act on it. Like wizards were closet shitbags for a while, or even good. They only really started once Crawford and mearls took control.

Quote from: Ocule on August 19, 2021, 07:32:39 PM
Paizo at one point was green, until around when they made wrath of the righteous and went downhill from there