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Title: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Ocule on August 03, 2021, 12:26:41 PM
ADMIN EDIT: This thread is not for ANY off topic posting. The subject is the list, and qualification for companies to be on the list and where. It is not for any off topic discussion. Anyone posting a topic not related to gaming will be INSTANTLY BANNED with no warning. Date: 12th August 2022


Green
These are entities that have not engaged in any known anti-consumer behavior and generally have remained apolitical.





Yellow
Entities in this section have engaged in some questionable behavior, taken a political stance that may have alienated some customers or preached in their products. Entities here have not caused any harm or engaged in anti-consumer behavior.



Red
Entities who are categorized as Red may have engaged in anti-consumer behavior, deceptive business practices, interfered with other creators or taken a strong political stance or alienated large portions of potential customers. This also includes actual racists or sexist entities. Let the buyer beware.


[/list]
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Merrill on August 03, 2021, 02:13:51 PM
Some more to add to the RED column

Green Ronan Publishing: a towering monument to the excesses of wokeness. Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG

Monkey House Games: Jeff Dee's gaming company. The guy is maybe the biggest leftist, woke asshole in the history of the industry.

add these to the GREEN column:

Studio Agate: Makers of Shadows of Esteren. I haven't seen anything woke or objectionable from these guys. No clumsy "inclusive" artwork (black women in Arthurian England, etc.).

Precis Intermedia: Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy

Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 02:15:00 PM
If Morg Borg is any indication, Free League might be yellow or red (they use the wording of their OGL for the game to basically shoot down authors they disagree with). Autarch (ACKS) is definitely green unless something changed since a thread similar to this in August (mostly just lurked, finally made an account).

I would also put Goodman Games as yellow, as well as Frog God.

Edit: Evil Hat should be the biggest Red on there.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Merrill on August 03, 2021, 02:23:33 PM
If Morg Borg is any indication, Free League might be yellow or red (they use the wording of their OGL for the game to basically shoot down authors they disagree with). Autarch (ACKS) is definitely green unless something changed since a thread similar to this in August (mostly just lurked, finally made an account).

I would also put Goodman Games as yellow, as well as Frog God.

Edit: Evil Hat should be the biggest Red on there.

I would hope Free League isn't woke. I like their products. Is there something you can point me to (link) on this?
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 02:28:09 PM
If Morg Borg is any indication, Free League might be yellow or red (they use the wording of their OGL for the game to basically shoot down authors they disagree with). Autarch (ACKS) is definitely green unless something changed since a thread similar to this in August (mostly just lurked, finally made an account).

I would also put Goodman Games as yellow, as well as Frog God.

Edit: Evil Hat should be the biggest Red on there.

I would hope Free League isn't woke. I like their products. Is there something you can point me to (link) on this?

https://twitter.com/morkborg/status/1272231708646158336

Likewise in their OGL at the end of Mork Borg, they state that they reserve legal right to not have their OGL open to content that they deem racist, sexist, homophobic, or hateful.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Godsmonkey on August 03, 2021, 02:28:52 PM
I would put Chaosium into the yellow:

They changed up the peoples of Dragon Pass making a Celt leaning people far more Mediterranean in the new edition of RuneQuest.

And of course the way they dealt with Sandy Petersons comments.

They have also bent the knee on a few occasions, like throwing support to BLM and LGBTQ+ causes.

Lately they have gone from being my favorite game company of all time, to seriously considering my future purchases.

Also, no Evil Hat? Or is it just a given they are a woke hot mess?
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 02:36:52 PM
Also, no Evil Hat? Or is it just a given they are a woke hot mess?

I think "Thirsty Sword Lesbians", the gay romance prison setting book they made, and threatening OneBookShelf into removing a small card game poking fun at GG from DriveThruCards kinda gave that away
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Merrill on August 03, 2021, 02:41:13 PM
If Morg Borg is any indication, Free League might be yellow or red (they use the wording of their OGL for the game to basically shoot down authors they disagree with). Autarch (ACKS) is definitely green unless something changed since a thread similar to this in August (mostly just lurked, finally made an account).

I would also put Goodman Games as yellow, as well as Frog God.

Edit: Evil Hat should be the biggest Red on there.

I would hope Free League isn't woke. I like their products. Is there something you can point me to (link) on this?

https://twitter.com/morkborg/status/1272231708646158336

Likewise in their OGL at the end of Mork Borg, they state that they reserve legal right to not have their OGL open to content that they deem racist, sexist, homophobic, or hateful.

WOW! that Twitter post. What is Free League thinking? Saying that proceeds from your book sales are going to go to bailing out BLM rioters?

I have a full set of Vaesen books, dice, and a screen --it is all being given away to a buddy in my gaming group tomorrow. Never playing it
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Ocule on August 03, 2021, 02:46:59 PM
Hurray for the replies im glad this is something that seems needed, though it might take me a bit to start getting all these companies up there. Yeah I forgot evil hat, they get their place on the wall of shame where they belong. Kind of wish i had a nice accurate list like this before I made some purchases. Some of these companies are new for me so i'm having to look them up, fortunately the worst offenders dont take much more than a google search or twitter search to see exactly what they stand for
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 02:50:09 PM
If Morg Borg is any indication, Free League might be yellow or red (they use the wording of their OGL for the game to basically shoot down authors they disagree with). Autarch (ACKS) is definitely green unless something changed since a thread similar to this in August (mostly just lurked, finally made an account).

I would also put Goodman Games as yellow, as well as Frog God.

Edit: Evil Hat should be the biggest Red on there.

I would hope Free League isn't woke. I like their products. Is there something you can point me to (link) on this?

https://twitter.com/morkborg/status/1272231708646158336

Likewise in their OGL at the end of Mork Borg, they state that they reserve legal right to not have their OGL open to content that they deem racist, sexist, homophobic, or hateful.

WOW! that Twitter post. What is Free League thinking? Saying that proceeds from your book sales are going to go to bailing out BLM rioters?

I have a full set of Vaesen books, dice, and a screen --it is all being given away to a buddy in my gaming group tomorrow. Never playing it

Yep, exactly how I feel about Mork Borg. Bought the book because the art looked cool and I like swapping between stuff like The Black Hack (which David Black is equally woke), OSE, and LotFP and wanted a different lighter system for one shots. Now it's just a shelf book, and my system of choice is Hyperborea for one shots and long term.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 02:57:11 PM
Hurray for the replies im glad this is something that seems needed, though it might take me a bit to start getting all these companies up there. Yeah I forgot evil hat, they get their place on the wall of shame where they belong. Kind of wish i had a nice accurate list like this before I made some purchases. Some of these companies are new for me so i'm having to look them up, fortunately the worst offenders dont take much more than a google search or twitter search to see exactly what they stand for

It's all good! There were some posts in August that may have a few more that you list. I would also honestly put Necrotic Gnome in green. Gavin makes it a point to shut down politics, regardless of side, on all forums and socials regarding his game. Hell, he was even asked a political question in an interview once and shot the interviewer down. Likewise, I know the author of Basic Fantasy, while left-leaning, does the same thing because he doesn't want his game politicized.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Ocule on August 03, 2021, 02:59:34 PM
Hurray for the replies im glad this is something that seems needed, though it might take me a bit to start getting all these companies up there. Yeah I forgot evil hat, they get their place on the wall of shame where they belong. Kind of wish i had a nice accurate list like this before I made some purchases. Some of these companies are new for me so i'm having to look them up, fortunately the worst offenders dont take much more than a google search or twitter search to see exactly what they stand for

It's all good! There were some posts in August that may have a few more that you list. I would also honestly put Necrotic Gnome in green. Gavin makes it a point to shut down politics, regardless of side, on all forums and socials regarding his game. Hell, he was even asked a political question in an interview once and shot the interviewer down. Likewise, I know the author of Basic Fantasy, while left-leaning, does the same thing because he doesn't want his game politicized.

I actually just got into old school essentials and im glad to hear that. I'm not one who needs the politics in my ttrpgs to be my politics, i'd rather just not have them there at all.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 03:12:42 PM
Hurray for the replies im glad this is something that seems needed, though it might take me a bit to start getting all these companies up there. Yeah I forgot evil hat, they get their place on the wall of shame where they belong. Kind of wish i had a nice accurate list like this before I made some purchases. Some of these companies are new for me so i'm having to look them up, fortunately the worst offenders dont take much more than a google search or twitter search to see exactly what they stand for
It's all good! There were some posts in August that may have a few more that you list. I would also honestly put Necrotic Gnome in green. Gavin makes it a point to shut down politics, regardless of side, on all forums and socials regarding his game. Hell, he was even asked a political question in an interview once and shot the interviewer down. Likewise, I know the author of Basic Fantasy, while left-leaning, does the same thing because he doesn't want his game politicized.

I actually just got into old school essentials and im glad to hear that. I'm not one who needs the politics in my ttrpgs to be my politics, i'd rather just not have them there at all.

Honestly OSE is such a great product imo. The fit and finish is great, and my leather Rules Tome is one of the few RPG books I own that I would honestly describe as something close to an heirloom piece. Not a massive fan of the advanced content though.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Ocule on August 03, 2021, 03:38:42 PM
Honestly OSE is such a great product imo. The fit and finish is great, and my leather Rules Tome is one of the few RPG books I own that I would honestly describe as something close to an heirloom piece. Not a massive fan of the advanced content though.

Trying not to get too off topic here but curious whats wrong with the advanced content? I just got the rules tome as of right now so i havn't really even looked at the advanced content.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 04:12:47 PM
Honestly OSE is such a great product imo. The fit and finish is great, and my leather Rules Tome is one of the few RPG books I own that I would honestly describe as something close to an heirloom piece. Not a massive fan of the advanced content though.

Trying not to get too off topic here but curious whats wrong with the advanced content? I just got the rules tome as of right now so i havn't really even looked at the advanced content.

I know some people got a little pissy with the underdark races from Unearthed Arcana being included (but who knows whether that outrage was real). Personally I prefer just the pure B/X and put my own house rules, whereas the Advanced content felt more like a lot of Gavin's house rules in it, which aren't bad just not my cup of tea.

Edit: Back on topic, I would also include Sine Nomine as Green, Kevin Crawford doesn't like to get political at all from what I have seen and he had mostly just ignored any attacks on his games.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: palaeomerus on August 03, 2021, 06:39:16 PM
Mongoose put a page about not being a dick in their newish edition of Paranoia which is...I mean Paranoia is ABOUT being a dick. It is a bunch of paramilitary thugs raised in a dystopia with a Demolition Man like idiot culture and these poor people are out busting heads and purging each other so the crazy computer won't purge them and every damned one is a mutant and in a secret society which is grounds to be purged.

How the hell you play that without being a dick is...what? WTF Mongoose? You used to be the 2000 AD people and the keepers of Stormbringer while Chaosium was having their bad times! You did Starship Troopers and helped ADB put out the Call To Arms Starfleet stuff. Now this?  PARANOIA 'DON'T BE A DICK' EDITION? And I can't even explain Paranoia to anyone born after the cold war ended. 
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Klytus on August 03, 2021, 08:42:16 PM
Mork Borg is the work of Ockult Örtmästare Games and Stockholm Kartell. Free League is their publisher.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Shawn Driscoll on August 03, 2021, 08:59:03 PM
The Design Mechanism should go in the red column.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Armchair Gamer on August 03, 2021, 09:18:59 PM
The Design Mechanism should go in the red column.

I’ve seen you make statements like this several times, but I keep missing the details. Care to explain for us slow folks in the audience?  :)
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Shasarak on August 03, 2021, 09:54:46 PM
You could probably make a good start with the people signing this letter:

https://www.facebook.com/mike.selinker/posts/10154136089112309 (https://www.facebook.com/mike.selinker/posts/10154136089112309)
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 03, 2021, 10:00:24 PM
You could probably make a good start with the people signing this letter:

https://www.facebook.com/mike.selinker/posts/10154136089112309 (https://www.facebook.com/mike.selinker/posts/10154136089112309)

Good on Mentzer for that reply, wow
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: ThatChrisGuy on August 03, 2021, 10:03:50 PM
I would put Chaosium into the yellow:

They changed up the peoples of Dragon Pass making a Celt leaning people far more Mediterranean in the new edition of RuneQuest.

That's just Gregging.  You didn't think that would stop just because he passed, did you?
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Armchair Gamer on August 03, 2021, 10:07:55 PM
You could probably make a good start with the people signing this letter:

https://www.facebook.com/mike.selinker/posts/10154136089112309 (https://www.facebook.com/mike.selinker/posts/10154136089112309)

Good on Mentzer for that reply, wow

Selinker’s reply to Mentzer was not what I expected.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Zelen on August 03, 2021, 10:09:01 PM
Thank you for making this thread, very useful and deserves a sticky (also maybe clear out some of the other old sticky threads).
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: GriswaldTerrastone on August 03, 2021, 10:11:10 PM
These days wouldn't it be easier to make a list of "non-woke" companies?
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Yeti Spaghetti on August 03, 2021, 10:29:52 PM
These days wouldn't it be easier to make a list of "non-woke" companies?

I'm hoping that Goblinoid Games makes that list.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Jam The MF on August 03, 2021, 10:42:31 PM
    I was thinking on the topic of fighting back and not giving money to people that hate you, so I decided the best thing to do is make a compilation list of companies and rpgs that are woke, those that sit on the fence and those that are not. It might be helpful when looking at various rpgs to know what you are getting into before you buy in. If there are any other companies that you know of just comment with the company or rpg line and why you think it is. I'm sure ill get some stuff wrong here but it might be a good thing to have around.

Green
Not Woke or Indifferent
  • RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
  • Troll Lord Games Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
  • Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
  • Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
  • Autarch/ACKS no indication one way or the other
  • Necrotic Gnome Makes a point to be apolitical
  • Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products

Yellow
Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke

  • Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
  • Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
  • Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
  • Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
  • Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands


Red
Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
  • Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
  • Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
  • Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
  • Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
  • Mophidious/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
  • Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
  • New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
  • Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
  • Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
  • Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
  • Free League - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters

Unknown
  • GURPs/Steve Jackson Games
  • Palladium
  • Whitebox
  • For Gold and Glory
  • Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper)
  • OSRIC


[/list]


I don't think anyone can legitimately criticize the White Box FMAG rules as having a political or SJW leaning.  It's just a good fun game, that ignores that other crap.  It's my favorite D&D.  I have paired that game up with the 1E AD&D Monster Manual, and they are D&D to me.  I have dozens of other RPG books, but they are really just reading material now.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Melichor on August 03, 2021, 11:23:44 PM
Steve Jackson Games is yellow. They definitely pander.

Sigil Stone Publishing (Five Torches Deep), definitely Red. Just read the last page in FTD Origins.
Titled: "BIOESSENTIALISM, RACISM, AND COLONIALISM" the ranting screed starts thusly:
Quote
Classic rpgs are rooted in colonialist, racist, and other bigoted concepts. Going into new areas, killing monsters, and stealing their stuff is largely based on the cruel realities of historical and modern colonial conquest.
This was very disappointing to me because discussion here about FTD intrigued me enough to buy the game and supplements.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: palaeomerus on August 04, 2021, 12:08:36 AM
Reaper miniatures let one of their online community guys go for condemning Antifa in his social media beck when the Reaper Bones IV campaign was running, and later during the summer of Wisconsin burning they put a corporate support of BLM statement on their website.

They kept it up but never talked about it much openly probably realizing it was a stinker.  They don't babble about pulling the perky tits off of sirens and succubi to protect them from the male gaze or anything and I've never heard them cheer on Jeremy Hambley getting jumped at a bar near Gencon or anything like that. They also didn't join in the dogpiling on Menzter (SJG actually condemned the decision to de-invite him from a con).

So, that is a yellow. Pandering but no " we don't want your money and we hate you here are some queer high school/college slow dance minis with swappable heads and ambiguous gender coding, shit lords!" Not yet.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: palaeomerus on August 04, 2021, 12:16:59 AM
CMON who seems to have joined or allied with Asmodee at least in their online store operations is yellow officially but they have a board game designer named  Eric M. Lang who is very vocal and hateful and shrill about stupid woke shit and anyone who won't sufficiently kowtow to it. He's the guy who ornaments/remakes Risk but with viking myths and Diplomacy but with Samurai myths. He did one about ancient Egypt that was sort of like that cults game only with giant mummies and shit.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Semaj Khan on August 04, 2021, 12:32:43 AM
Re: OSRIC... the gang that is currently working on stuff for it are certainly not Wokies.

That being said: the license holder, Stuart Marshall is AFAIK totally AWOL. I've been told he's taking a break from D&D related boards. My experience with him is that he's the typical Brit Labour bloke who thinks American conservatism is a goddamned psych ward.  But I've never seen him post anything radical left. So, unless Stuart resurfaces in drag and starts posting pics of himself with Bronies while shotgunning wine coolers, I think you can put OSRIC in the green zone for now.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Semaj Khan on August 04, 2021, 12:44:07 AM
Re: Zweihander RPG... I've got their books, read them, and I'm not seeing what other purport to see. Fox's politics are his own business until he shoves it down someone's throat. The closest I've seen in the books is a statement that gender is fluid... well, so is my taste in women. So what.  I'm sure others have seen or heard things I have not.

Now: G&P on DriveThru RPG is allowing authors to publish stuff under the ZH banner using any published material any way they see fit... for a cut of the profits. 60/40 toward the author. I'm not seeing any parameters about socio-political themes demanded from the authors other than don't be a shit-ass blah blah blah, so theoretically I'm guessing one could publish an adventure about tall blond elves dressed in black gassing dwarves and shoving the bodies in ovens, and get away with it. Probably wouldn't sell many copies, but you could be damned sure it would get discussed.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: 1989 on August 04, 2021, 12:44:39 AM
    I was thinking on the topic of fighting back and not giving money to people that hate you, so I decided the best thing to do is make a compilation list of companies and rpgs that are woke, those that sit on the fence and those that are not. It might be helpful when looking at various rpgs to know what you are getting into before you buy in. If there are any other companies that you know of just comment with the company or rpg line and why you think it is. I'm sure ill get some stuff wrong here but it might be a good thing to have around.

Green
Not Woke or Indifferent
  • RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
  • Troll Lord Games Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
  • Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
  • Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
  • Autarch/ACKS no indication one way or the other
  • Necrotic Gnome Makes a point to be apolitical
  • Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products

Yellow
Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke

  • Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
  • Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
  • Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
  • Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
  • Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands


Red
Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
  • Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
  • Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
  • Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
  • Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
  • Mophidious/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
  • Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
  • New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
  • Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
  • Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
  • Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
  • Free League - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters

Unknown
  • GURPs/Steve Jackson Games
  • Palladium
  • Whitebox
  • For Gold and Glory
  • Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper)
  • OSRIC


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Great thread. I'd second a sticky.

I'm not sure if you've seen this thread, but I started making a list like yours a while back:

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/the-least-woke-major-rpg-publishers/msg1140348/#msg1140348

Also, check out these threads:

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/recommend-your-favorite-not-woke-fantasy-rpg!/

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/tsr-is-coming-back-or-it-is-back/msg1177536/#msg1177536
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Godsmonkey on August 04, 2021, 01:11:08 AM
It is a bunch of paramilitary thugs raised in a dystopia with a Demolition Man like idiot culture and these poor people are out busting heads and purging each other so the crazy computer won't purge them and every damned one is a mutant and in a secret society which is grounds to be purged.


Sounds like modern cancel culture/SJWs.


Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 02:41:55 AM
Can't say I give a shit about the politics (stated or presumed) of the companies I buy from. Seems like I buy a lot from the yellow and red groups and almost nothing from the  green, but that's because I haven't found a single OSR product worth dropping money on (and I have a few free pdfs that don't make me want to spend any money on it either).  It's not a politics thing for me though, I just buy what I like.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: RebelSky on August 04, 2021, 03:16:40 AM
Gotta say I am surprised Monte Cook Games isn't in the red yet. They are the ones who put out the Consent in Gaming document and are the ones who decided to coin the term 'safety tool's if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Semaj Khan on August 04, 2021, 08:46:21 AM
Can't say I give a shit about the politics (stated or presumed) of the companies I buy from. Seems like I buy a lot from the yellow and red groups and almost nothing from the  green, but that's because I haven't found a single OSR product worth dropping money on (and I have a few free pdfs that don't make me want to spend any money on it either).  It's not a politics thing for me though, I just buy what I like.

^ This.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: rgalex on August 04, 2021, 09:00:29 AM
Gotta say I am surprised Monte Cook Games isn't in the red yet. They are the ones who put out the Consent in Gaming document and are the ones who decided to coin the term 'safety tool's if I remember correctly.

I'd say that's a Yellow thing.  I mean, it wasn't included in all their game books.  It was a free pdf you could download if you wanted.  I haven't seen any Trump stand-in type monsters show up in Numenera or any political screeds finding their way into The Strange or any other Cypher game.

They did have one that was all about mental health: We're All Mad Here.

Quote
The Heartwood, a complete fairy tale setting that draws upon the fictional concept of “madness” in a way that addresses our modern, realistic, and sensitive understanding of mental health. In this setting, characters touched with mental illness in the real world discover a realm where they are empowered, and the wild and imaginative adventures they have there allow them to find even greater strengths within themselves.

But again, that seems more pandering than anything else.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Godsmonkey on August 04, 2021, 09:37:44 AM
Can't say I give a shit about the politics (stated or presumed) of the companies I buy from. Seems like I buy a lot from the yellow and red groups and almost nothing from the  green, but that's because I haven't found a single OSR product worth dropping money on (and I have a few free pdfs that don't make me want to spend any money on it either).  It's not a politics thing for me though, I just buy what I like.

^ This.

Monty Cook is woke AF.

And what of Pinnacle Entertainment Group? Sure, they rewrote the Deadlands backstory, but supposedly there is a logical reason for doing so? Other than that, I haven't seen any woke pandering from them. I'd say at worst, yellow?
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Ocule on August 04, 2021, 09:45:02 AM
Yeah I’m gonna try and leave red for the most ones who delve deep into crazy town like eclipse phase, wotc etc. I think most will end up yellow. As for Grim and Perilous as hey are definitely red. Their original zweihander hadn’t been corrupted yet but if you look at their other projects like flames of freedom or something like that the whole thing is just screeching “reeee colonialism bad, white people bad” and if you visit their discord they actually have a bot that censors “banned words”and phrases. On top of the other drama I heard about them I’m not sure I can justify any others.

Steve Jackson id love to hear about how they pander. I don’t really doubt it just I havnt really seen it and couldn’t find it readily.

Pinnacle I might put as yellow, I wanted to make em green so badly but after adventure edition they’ve been walking that line like removing the csa from deadlands, and doing away with all the art that people might take offense to. It’s mostly more puritans finding there way into the groups I think
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Armchair Gamer on August 04, 2021, 09:55:07 AM
Monkey House Games: Jeff Dee's gaming company. The guy is maybe the biggest leftist, woke asshole in the history of the industry.

  Didn't he write the V&V adventure For the Greater Good with supervillains that were nasty satires of conservatives ... back in the 80s? He was SJW before it was cool. :)
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: AnthonyRoberson on August 04, 2021, 10:11:59 AM
Dammit. First I had to dump my Gloomhaven stuff after the Frosthaven fiasco. Now I have to get rid of my Conan and Forbidden Lands books, which I just ordered and haven't even received yet.

At least I still have Old School Essentials. That's a set of rules I really like...
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Ocule on August 04, 2021, 10:31:40 AM
Dammit. First I had to dump my Gloomhaven stuff after the Frosthaven fiasco. Now I have to get rid of my Conan and Forbidden Lands books, which I just ordered and haven't even received yet.

At least I still have Old School Essentials. That's a set of rules I really like...

Whats going on with Gloomhaven and Fiasco? Or Conan and Forbidden Lands.

Can't say I give a shit about the politics (stated or presumed) of the companies I buy from. Seems like I buy a lot from the yellow and red groups and almost nothing from the  green, but that's because I haven't found a single OSR product worth dropping money on (and I have a few free pdfs that don't make me want to spend any money on it either).  It's not a politics thing for me though, I just buy what I like.


To each their own tastes, the intent of this was really to focus on companies doing it right rather than the ones who are actually woke. Personally I am just frustrated with investing time and money into a game that I like only for them to turn around and start taking jabs at me or fillng books with propaganda/preaching. Most of the companies on the red list i've felt like that with. Like WotC makes a pretty decent game 5e and I invested in books and source material, then shows their true colors and now I have a half finished rpg line because I wont use stupid shit like Tashas. Paizo just makes it very hard to interact with any paizo sanctioned communities or buying anything after like Wrath of the Righteous adventure path. Which is a shame because it too, made a pretty solid game.

On a sort of coincidental side note, conservative/moderate/not far left publishers and creators really could use some love considering that companies like Evil Hat really step into the bounds of tortious interference or find themselves banned from all the big conventions (see Nu TSR or whatever the fuck they're calling themselves now) so making our own communities, conventions and letting people know who otherwise wouldn't know about them certainly helps.


Speaking of, Lamentations of the Flame Princess....I'm not sure what to make of Zak S and what catagory he would fit into.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: RebelSky on August 04, 2021, 11:01:45 AM
Dammit. First I had to dump my Gloomhaven stuff after the Frosthaven fiasco. Now I have to get rid of my Conan and Forbidden Lands books, which I just ordered and haven't even received yet.

At least I still have Old School Essentials. That's a set of rules I really like...

Yeah, so what happened with Frosthaven? I haven't kept up on it.

I'm not going to get rid of the Conan stuff, most of it is pretty good and it wasn't till the later 3rd stage set of releases when Modiphius started going more woke. And I think it's only one book that got changed (which are some stupid changes IMO). Luckily I have a PDF copy of that book before the alterations. It was during the final editing of the book, the one that takes Conan to the east, where a new line editor was hired and this tool made the changes.

As far as I know no other Conan books have been changed.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: rgalex on August 04, 2021, 11:08:29 AM
I also think Modiphius should be split from V5E. Modiphius is the publisher.  The game is by Renegade Game Studios.

Modiphius, as far as I can tell, are more pandering (but admittedly I don't hang on their boards so I don't know what that's like).  With the exception of the edits made to a single Conan book, Conan the Wanderer, I haven't seen anything too bad from them.  They are more what I call European Woke.  I expect every European game to have a disclaimer about anti -ism and the like and find it odd if they don't.  I don't tend to hold that against any of them because it doesn't come across as political, unlike when it comes from a US based company.  Maybe it's just a lack of PoV on my part, but that's how it feels to me.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Brand55 on August 04, 2021, 11:15:59 AM
And what of Pinnacle Entertainment Group? Sure, they rewrote the Deadlands backstory, but supposedly there is a logical reason for doing so? Other than that, I haven't seen any woke pandering from them. I'd say at worst, yellow?
Pinnacle is yellow. They aren't like WotC or Evil Hat but they do pander occasionally. In addition to changing Deadlands, they also caved to the outrage brigade over the Science Fiction Companion cover and made sure the art in the new Savage Worlds core book was focused on not showing too many white guys.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Marchand on August 04, 2021, 11:21:39 AM
    I was thinking on the topic of fighting back and not giving money to people that hate you, so I decided the best thing to do is make a compilation list of companies and rpgs that are woke, those that sit on the fence and those that are not. It might be helpful when looking at various rpgs to know what you are getting into before you buy in. If there are any other companies that you know of just comment with the company or rpg line and why you think it is. I'm sure ill get some stuff wrong here but it might be a good thing to have around.

Green
Not Woke or Indifferent
  • RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
  • Troll Lord Games Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
  • Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
  • Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
  • Autarch/ACKS no indication one way or the other
  • Necrotic Gnome (Old School Essentials) Makes a point to be apolitical
  • Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products
  • OSRIC Hasn't given any indication of getting political
  • Whitebox: FMAG No indication of getting poltical
  • Goblinoid Games (Labyrinth Lord) No indication of getting political
  • Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
  • Post Mortem Studios (Tales of Gor, Punk RPG, Grimdark) Visit the storefront, can't imagine them giving a shit what people think

Yellow
Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke

  • Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
  • Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
  • Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
  • Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands
  • Monte Cook Games Poor Monte, used to make some good stuff. Tends to push things like consent forms in gaming, some stuff on mental illness but otherwise panders
  • Mongoose Games Had a don't be a dick section in paranoia, recommended by poster. Open for debate whether yellow or green
  • Mophidious Publishes some woke products, but doesn't seem to only publish woke products
  • Pinnacle Entertainment (Savage Worlds/Deadlands) Removed the CSA from Deadlands and removed a lot of the old art that might offend anyone particuarly anything with partial nudity or more risque outfits. Also made sure there weren't "too many white guys" in their core rulebook. Still pretty solid but they pander or cave to demands occasionally


Red
Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
  • Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
  • Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
  • Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
  • Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
  • Renegade Game Studios/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
  • Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
  • New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
  • Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
  • Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
  • Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
  • Ockult Ortmastare Games/Stockholm Cartell (Mork Borg) - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters
  • Free League See Mork Borg
  • Sigil Stone Publishing (Five Torches Deep) Just read the last page in FTD Origins. Titled: "BIOESSENTIALISM, RACISM, AND COLONIALISM
  • Reaper Miniatures Fired a guy from criticizing antifa on a personal page. Antifa supporters are automatic red
  • Pelgraine Press (13th Age)  "The thing about SWGs (Straight White Guys) is that they make great punching bags. " Still need a citation for this but for now its going red

Unknown
  • GURPs/Steve Jackson Games
  • Palladium Does what they have always done
  • Zak S. (Lamentations of the Flame Princess)
  • For Gold and Glory Nothing to suggest going woke
  • Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper)
  • Atlas Games (Ars Magica)
  • Lion Rampant (Ars Magica) Devs turned into huge sjws, though i dont think it shows in the original games
  • John Wick Presents (7th Sea) Dead Company
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[/list]

Reaper Minis? FFS. Oh well.

I would suggest Far Future Enterprises, Marc W. "Traveller" Miller's current outfit, for Green. Not aware of any Woke tendencies. Original Traveller 1977 has "a note on gender and race" that basically says they have no game mechanical effect. Clean, done, move on.
Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
Post by: Godsmonkey on August 04, 2021, 11:58:33 AM
Quote

    • John Wick Presents (7th Sea) Dead Company
    [/s]


    John Wick was acquired by Chaosium.[/list]
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Aglondir on August 04, 2021, 12:07:13 PM
    Steve Jackson Games is Green. They refused to bow to the Cancel Mob over the Bill Webb incident. Phil Reed got a ban (temporary?) for trying to explain to the purple idiots that the disad "slave mentality" in Gurps has zero to do with slavery, but they were too infantile and scared of words to comprehend.

    Autarch is ACKS, right? It doesn't get much greener than that. AMacris posts here. Well known anti-woke libertarian. Banned from big purple because they hate him.

    Hero Games is green, unless something has changed. I think some of the (former) designers are woke but it doesn't creep into the books.

    Zweihander dude claimed his game was part of the woke Sword Dream movement. Created rainbow logo.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 04, 2021, 12:19:11 PM
    Steve Jackson Games is Green. They refused to bow to the Cancel Mob over the Bill Webb incident. Phil Reed got a ban (temporary?) for trying to explain to the purple idiots that the disad "slave mentality" in Gurps has zero to do with slavery, but they were too infantile and scared of words to comprehend.

    Autarch is ACKS, right? It doesn't get much greener than that. AMacris posts here. Well known anti-woke libertarian. Banned from big purple because they hate him.

    Hero Games is green, unless something has changed. I think some of the (former) designers are woke but it doesn't creep into the books.

    Zweihander dude claimed his game was part of the woke Sword Dream movement. Created rainbow logo.

    I’ll update them here in a few, glad to hear it. Some of these companies are new to me or like Steve Jackson games I just never followed them closely. I havnt been to the big purple in years, before it even went full sjw. Went there a few times just to see how bad it got and wanted to bleach my eyeballs after that
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Klytus on August 04, 2021, 12:21:45 PM
    You don't have to boycott Free League for the shit the creators of Mork Borg post on their Shitter. Free League are just the publisher and this is about as close to going woke as anything I've seen from them:

    https://freeleaguepublishing.com/en/about/fair-play-policy/
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Armchair Gamer on August 04, 2021, 12:33:02 PM
    Hero Games is green, unless something has changed. I think some of the (former) designers are woke but it doesn't creep into the books.

      Watts is at least somewhat progressive, as he signed on to Gamers4Her and october-surprise.com--useful, but not exhaustive, points for determining who's both left-wing and inclined to leverage their hobby credentials for that purpose. Steve Jackson signed on to the latter, which arguably kicks SJG into Yellow. Steve Long is right-liberal, but no longer directly involved with the company. I haven't looked at 6E Western Hero to see how that might have changed, but they did state that they had sensitivity readers ...

       Pelgrane is definitely red, with their inclusivity policy, hosting the 'Gaming Saves the World' seminar at GenCon a few years back (see https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/gaming-saves-the-world-seminar-doesn-t-sound-like-a-good-idea/), and publishing the #Feminism anthology.

       Anyone know anything about Triple Ace Games? Or the new management at Iron Crown?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Brand55 on August 04, 2021, 01:50:05 PM
    Free League is definitely to the left (they are Swedish, not American, if that makes any difference) but I wouldn't necessarily call them woke. They're actually being tested right now. There's a vocal group on their forums who are arguing against the use of the term "Men" in the new edition of The One Ring. We'll see if any changes are made from the alpha rules on that front.

    Anyone know anything about Triple Ace Games?
    I haven't kept up with them for the past few years, but I've got a lot of their older games and never saw a peep of political activism. Wiggy seems like a really hard worker who loves games and focuses on cranking out fun stuff. I'd definitely coin TAG as apolitical.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Klytus on August 04, 2021, 01:53:13 PM
    And what of Pinnacle Entertainment Group? Sure, they rewrote the Deadlands backstory, but supposedly there is a logical reason for doing so? Other than that, I haven't seen any woke pandering from them. I'd say at worst, yellow?
    Pinnacle is yellow. They aren't like WotC or Evil Hat but they do pander occasionally. In addition to changing Deadlands, they also caved to the outrage brigade over the Science Fiction Companion cover and made sure the art in the new Savage Worlds core book was focused on not showing too many white guys.

    Once you bend the knee, you'll spend the rest of your life on your knees, just waiting for the executioner's blade.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: hedgehobbit on August 04, 2021, 02:37:14 PM
    https://freeleaguepublishing.com/en/about/fair-play-policy/

    "We want everyone to have this opportunity, without exception."

    Then proceeds to list the exceptions.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: rgalex on August 04, 2021, 02:52:50 PM
    https://freeleaguepublishing.com/en/about/fair-play-policy/

    "We want everyone to have this opportunity, without exception."

    Then proceeds to list the exceptions.

    Here is the full text of the policy.  Not seeing the "list of exceptions".

    Quote
    We at Free League Publishing strongly  believe that gaming should be for everyone; from every walk of life, every corner of the globe and any background. Games, and roleplaying games in particular, are a powerful tool to create and visit wondrous worlds in the imagination. We want everyone to have this opportunity, without exception.

    Our games are meant to be used in the spirit of inclusion and equality. The subject matter of our games might sometimes be dark and explore mature themes, but around the table we should always treat each other with respect and sensitivity.

    We promote fair play and safe gaming at conventions and events. Everyone should feel comfortable and secure playing our games. If this trust is broken, please let us know and we will coordinate and act together with convention management to remedy the situation.

    If this is as "woke" as they get... I'm ok with that.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 04, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
    "sensitivity" "safe"

    Special, sensitive snowflakes need their safe spaces.

    And if one of these special snowflakes feels unsafe, then don't worry ... Free League will "coordinate" to "remedy" the "situation".

    Red flags much?

    My Kindergarten was rougher than this.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 03:52:18 PM
    "sensitivity" "safe"

    Special, sensitive snowflakes need their safe spaces.

    And if one of these special snowflakes feels unsafe, then don't worry ... Free League will "coordinate" to "remedy" the "situation".

    Red flags much?

    My Kindergarten was rougher than this.
    Not too different from the posters here that need safe spaces from the big bad woke game companies, eh?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 04, 2021, 05:26:49 PM
    "sensitivity" "safe"

    Special, sensitive snowflakes need their safe spaces.

    And if one of these special snowflakes feels unsafe, then don't worry ... Free League will "coordinate" to "remedy" the "situation".

    Red flags much?

    My Kindergarten was rougher than this.
    Not too different from the posters here that need safe spaces from the big bad woke game companies, eh?

    Are you gay?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Armchair Gamer on August 04, 2021, 05:58:06 PM
    Not too different from the posters here that need safe spaces from the big bad woke game companies, eh?

      More a "let's avoid forcing our money and support on companies that want us driven out of the hobby," really.  ;)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 06:28:46 PM
    Not too different from the posters here that need safe spaces from the big bad woke game companies, eh?

      More a "let's avoid forcing our money and support on companies that want us driven out of the hobby," really.  ;)
    Why do you think they want "us" driven out of thr hobby?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Eirikrautha on August 04, 2021, 06:37:22 PM
    "sensitivity" "safe"

    Special, sensitive snowflakes need their safe spaces.

    And if one of these special snowflakes feels unsafe, then don't worry ... Free League will "coordinate" to "remedy" the "situation".

    Red flags much?

    My Kindergarten was rougher than this.
    Not too different from the posters here that need safe spaces from the big bad woke game companies, eh?

    Are you gay?
    (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/e5b0b397-0729-4299-bce4-e85df5b7085a/scale-to-width/400)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Reckall on August 04, 2021, 06:39:47 PM
    Fact is, I have both "Alien" and "Coriolis" from Free League publishing and there is nothing woke in both settings. As long as they don't tell me "Don't use facehuggers in your games if your players are uncomfortable with the concept" or, worse "We decided to flat out eliminate facehuggers from Alien because they were a metaphor for rape. Oh, BTW, the Aliens are now all white!" they can have all the rules they want for convention gaming.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Shawn Driscoll on August 04, 2021, 06:51:03 PM
    The Design Mechanism should go in the red column.

    I’ve seen you make statements like this several times, but I keep missing the details. Care to explain for us slow folks in the audience?  :)
    They had a TDS-style YouTube video (since deleted) basically saying if you voted for a certain someone, you're not allowed to buy their RPG.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Shasarak on August 04, 2021, 06:52:05 PM
    Monty Cook is woke AF.

    Thats because Shanna Germain makes him look normal in comparison.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 06:54:39 PM
    The Design Mechanism should go in the red column.

    I’ve seen you make statements like this several times, but I keep missing the details. Care to explain for us slow folks in the audience?  :)
    They had a TDS-style YouTube video (since deleted) basically saying if you voted for a certain someone, you're not allowed to buy their RPG.
    But, before this statements, did you like their game? If so, it doesn't really matter, just ignore their statement and keep buying what you like. If not, then it litwrally doesn't matter.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Shawn Driscoll on August 04, 2021, 06:58:34 PM
    Gotta say I am surprised Monte Cook Games isn't in the red yet. They are the ones who put out the Consent in Gaming document and are the ones who decided to coin the term 'safety tool's if I remember correctly.
    Anything with Shanna Germain's name on it should be in the Red.
    But, before this statements, did you like their game? If so, it doesn't really matter, just ignore their statement and keep buying what you like. If not, then it litwrally doesn't matter.
    I don't support far-left-wingers. Period.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Jam The MF on August 04, 2021, 07:02:14 PM
    Are we simply creating a list of companies for the Hard Left to now target?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Shawn Driscoll on August 04, 2021, 07:07:11 PM
    Steve Jackson Games is Green. They refused to bow to the Cancel Mob over the Bill Webb incident. Phil Reed got a ban (temporary?) for trying to explain to the purple idiots that the disad "slave mentality" in Gurps has zero to do with slavery, but they were too infantile and scared of words to comprehend.
    If Steve Jackson gets canceled from his company by his own employees, then we'll know the current atmosphere there.
    Are we simply creating a list of companies for the Hard Left to now target?
    That Leftists already know which companies are not woke.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 07:19:24 PM
    Gotta say I am surprised Monte Cook Games isn't in the red yet. They are the ones who put out the Consent in Gaming document and are the ones who decided to coin the term 'safety tool's if I remember correctly.
    Anything with Shanna Germain's name on it should be in the Red.
    But, before this statements, did you like their game? If so, it doesn't really matter, just ignore their statement and keep buying what you like. If not, then it litwrally doesn't matter.
    I don't support far-left-wingers. Period.
    Then ultimately, it is YOU making it political. So much for "can't we just play games and have fun."
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 04, 2021, 07:28:54 PM
    This guy seems to not understand the idea of not supporting those who hate you, whether that support is monetary or by just supporting the game in general by playing it at the table.

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Tait Ransom on August 04, 2021, 07:36:17 PM
    Monty Cook is woke AF.

    Thats because Shanna Germain makes him look normal in comparison.

    And he’s banging her and wants to continue doing so.  We can expect the wokeness to continue.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Merrill on August 04, 2021, 07:46:18 PM
    Monty Cook is woke AF.

    Thats because Shanna Germain makes him look normal in comparison.

    And he’s banging her and wants to continue doing so.  We can expect the wokeness to continue.

    honestly, who the hell is Shanna Germain? What has she done?

    there is this gaggle of "gamer industry girls" who pretend like they have actually created something important, or a game that anyone plays. And to make up for their lack of talent and imagination, they get all woke, and make crazy pronouncements on social media, show up at conventions and try to manipulate the desperate gamer guys --the whole thing is pathetic.

    doesn't mean a girl couldn't produce an awesome RPG --surprised one hasn't

    but these chicks hover around and expect us to bow down or recognize them. Yeah, lol

    Monte Cook has always been a hack. I remember reading some of his 2nd edition stuff back in the day and being like "is it just me, or does this kind of suck"? I thought I had outgrown the hobby --no, I had just recognized Cook's hack content for what it was
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 04, 2021, 08:05:40 PM
    This guy seems to not understand the idea of not supporting those who hate you, whether that support is monetary or by just supporting the game in general by playing it at the table.
    I think your presumption of hate is silly. They don't care about you. You're unimportant to them. Their statements are just for virtue signaling.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: hedgehobbit on August 04, 2021, 08:06:42 PM
    If this is as "woke" as they get... I'm ok with that.

    I'm not saying they're woke, I'm saying they are hypocrites. Creating a policy for the sole purpose of kicking people out of convention games and using the "gaming is for everyone" nonsense to justify it. And setting the ludicrously low bar that all you need to be kicked out is to make someone else "uncomfortable".
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 04, 2021, 08:15:09 PM
    Great idea.

    Fuck those companies that are trying to force others into their way of 'political' woke gaming.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 04, 2021, 08:25:21 PM
    This guy seems to not understand the idea of not supporting those who hate you, whether that support is monetary or by just supporting the game in general by playing it at the table.
    I think your presumption of hate is silly. They don't care about you. You're unimportant to them. Their statements are just for virtue signaling.

    I think you sound like a male feminist.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Shasarak on August 04, 2021, 08:38:21 PM
    Monty Cook is woke AF.

    Thats because Shanna Germain makes him look normal in comparison.

    And he’s banging her and wants to continue doing so.  We can expect the wokeness to continue.

    honestly, who the hell is Shanna Germain? What has she done?

    You have not read her RPG safety manual?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Brand55 on August 04, 2021, 08:49:57 PM
    The only thing I'm familiar with that Shanna Germain has produced is Predation, a setting for the Cypher System. It's actually a pretty neat little setting that borrows heavily from the short-lived Terra Nova show (which I liked, which might be why I like Predation). I'm not a big fan of the Cypher System, so I've been tempted to convert it over to a system I like more for a while now.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Armchair Gamer on August 04, 2021, 08:50:35 PM
    but these chicks hover around and expect us to bow down or recognize them. Yeah, lol

    Monte Cook has always been a hack. I remember reading some of his 2nd edition stuff back in the day and being like "is it just me, or does this kind of suck"? I thought I had outgrown the hobby --no, I had just recognized Cook's hack content for what it was

       I actually rather liked the work of Monte's ex-wife Sue Weinlein [Cook], who did a good job shepherding the underrated Dragonlance: Fifth Age line.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Semaj Khan on August 04, 2021, 09:05:39 PM
    Monty Cook is woke AF.

    Thats because Shanna Germain makes him look normal in comparison.

    And he’s banging her and wants to continue doing so.  We can expect the wokeness to continue.

    Yeah, I had to google her, since I pay zero attention to MC.

    Meh, not bad.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: trechriron on August 04, 2021, 09:11:33 PM
    Just so you have someone to blame...

    1) This is clearly a political thread. The term Woke is highly charged and not everyone agrees that being Woke is "bad wrong".
    2) I reported it.
    3) I hope it gets moved.

    Are you wingnuts so butthurt you can no longer even have ONE reasonable normal conversation about RPGs? Seriously?

    "Boo Hoo the mean libtards are ruining my life with Woke Memes. Boo Hoo"
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 04, 2021, 09:41:23 PM
    ^^

    Needs his safe space.

    Thread has become "problematic".

    Is triggered.

    Everyone go home.

    Buddy, if you don't like the thread, you can just leave.

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Tait Ransom on August 04, 2021, 10:35:26 PM
    The only thing I'm familiar with that Shanna Germain has produced is Predation, a setting for the Cypher System. It's actually a pretty neat little setting that borrows heavily from the short-lived Terra Nova show (which I liked, which might be why I like Predation). I'm not a big fan of the Cypher System, so I've been tempted to convert it over to a system I like more for a while now.

    I haven’t played it yet, but I like the Predation setting much more than I expected to.  To her credit, some of the feminazis on TBP tried to cancel Germain over her “problematic” Nibovian wife critters for Numenera.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 04, 2021, 10:53:45 PM
    This thread has actually been productive, minus the one or two butt hurt commenters anyway. I’m hoping by the end we can have a relatively reasonable guide on what games to look into and support. I’ve tried to find lists like this already made but they seem to break down quickly or you need to hunt in the thread for information.

    Imo it’s becoming more and more important to support these creators especially when you have people like evil hat trying to yeet people off drivethru, or new tsr getting instantly banned from all conventions. There are legit criticisms against them but that’s not why they were canceled.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: SHARK on August 04, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
    Greetings!

    I read somewhere that Shanna Germain is into BDSM and all kinds of depraved kinks. I'm sure she is n entertaining strumpet. Interesting how Monte Cook got divorced, Sue Weinlein Cook is gone--and Shanna Germain is now sitting in the throne. ;D

    Semper Fidelis,

    SHARK
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Zelen on August 04, 2021, 10:59:53 PM
    This thread has actually been productive, minus the one or two butt hurt commenters anyway. I’m hoping by the end we can have a relatively reasonable guide on what games to look into and support. I’ve tried to find lists like this already made but they seem to break down quickly or you need to hunt in the thread for information.

    Imo it’s becoming more and more important to support these creators especially when you have people like evil hat trying to yeet people off drivethru, or new tsr getting instantly banned from all conventions. There are legit criticisms against them but that’s not why they were canceled.

    Absolutely. It is going to become increasingly difficult to even publish a work that doesn't pay homage to the ruling class ideology. If you want actual games that aren't being used as a tool to indoctrinate, then you have to support creators.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Jam The MF on August 04, 2021, 11:37:20 PM
    Greetings!

    I read somewhere that Shanna Germain is into BDSM and all kinds of depraved kinks. I'm sure she is n entertaining strumpet. Interesting how Monte Cook got divorced, Sue Weinlein Cook is gone--and Shanna Germain is now sitting in the throne. ;D

    Semper Fidelis,

    SHARK


    Yes, it's funny how that works.  He'll probably share credit with her, from here on out.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: rocksfalleverybodydies on August 05, 2021, 12:49:44 AM
    Any game that does not have the hubris to decide how I should run my group with preachy socio/political leanings baked into the rulebooks are my favourite: screw real-world cultural manifestos, I just want to play your damn game.

    Definately green without a doubt (more so for the author's viewpoint(s).  The written work I would regard as 'written like it doesn't give a crap what anyone else thinks'):
    Kort'thalis Publishing

    Green by being neutral or indifferent to divisive social politics (haven't seen anything to say otherwise.  Maybe I'm wrong?):
    BRW Games
    Arion Games
    Anything TSR AD&D 1e and earlier (yes I know it's WOtC, so I guess a debate about written work vs. current publisher owner here, so just go buy OSE or OSRIC to get your fix I guess)

    There are a few much smaller outfit examples that would also be green I think, but these are the main ones I can think of off the top of my head.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: trechriron on August 05, 2021, 01:51:37 AM
    ...

    Buddy, if you don't like the thread, you can just leave.

    Buddy, if you want to discuss politics, you can just start a thread in Pundit's forum...
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: TJS on August 05, 2021, 02:36:49 AM
    Just so you have someone to blame...

    1) This is clearly a political thread. The term Woke is highly charged and not everyone agrees that being Woke is "bad wrong".
    2) I reported it.
    3) I hope it gets moved.

    Are you wingnuts so butthurt you can no longer even have ONE reasonable normal conversation about RPGs? Seriously?

    "Boo Hoo the mean libtards are ruining my life with Woke Memes. Boo Hoo"
    Do people still view this site as a mostly rpg discussion site?

    I would have thought it had obviously become a mostly culture war site quite some time ago.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Reckall on August 05, 2021, 02:41:34 AM
    Greetings!

    I read somewhere that Shanna Germain is into BDSM and all kinds of depraved kinks.

    Tries to care...

    ...............................

    ...Nope.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RebelSky on August 05, 2021, 04:08:21 AM
    Is Palladium Books Green or Yellow?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: jeff37923 on August 05, 2021, 05:07:02 AM
    I read somewhere that Shanna Germain is into BDSM and all kinds of depraved kinks.

    Don't blame BDSM and depraved kinks for Shanna Germain's RPG bullshit, it is both unfair and cruel to BDSM and depraved kinks.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 08:02:37 AM
    As long as this thread remains about gaming companies, it is in the right forum.2

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ghostmaker on August 05, 2021, 08:13:06 AM
    Palladium strikes me as probably being green, but that's because Kevin Siembieda is such a hilarious weirdo that trying to woke-ify him and his settings (Rifts especially) is utterly pointless. You wanna play a transgender three horned sex worker? Great, you're still a D-B (dimensional being) and the Coalition will still kill you off. I don't know if he's made any notable genuflections in the direction of wokeism. I just wish he'd make genuflections in the direction of geography.

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
    There is a chance that Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs) is woke, although that might just be Diogo Nogueira, as he has endorsed the idea of putting a "Game not for Fascists" thing on RPGs, and I am fairly sure he was the one that said he wanted to, to quote, "punch Venger's teeth out at the next con"

    Otherwise I would say North Wind Adventures (AS&SH) is green. Seems like Jeff just wants to game and also honor Gygax. There was a question about the game going slightly woke on his forum with 3e but he ignored it, and he did hire Diogo as the artist for classes, but aside from the new art being not as good imo, I don't think it influenced the writing.

    Edit: Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) is woke but idk to what degree as I don't follow their games. I do remember a big spiel about identity and gender at the beginning of the newest Shadowrun edition but need more info
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 09:28:14 AM
    Added Palladium to green. I'm tempted to put games workshop into red even though they don't really make ttrpgs. I was getting discouraged early on especially after seeing who signed those insane statements that i'm sure will age like milk. But seeing more and more fall into the green category gives me hope that our hobby isnt entirely screwed.

    There is a chance that Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs) is woke, although that might just be Diogo Nogueira, as he has endorsed the idea of putting a "Game not for Fascists" thing on RPGs, and I am fairly sure he was the one that said he wanted to, to quote, "punch Venger's teeth out at the next con"

    Otherwise I would say North Wind Adventures (AS&SH) is green. Seems like Jeff just wants to game and also honor Gygax. There was a question about the game going slightly woke on his forum with 3e but he ignored it, and he did hire Diogo as the artist for classes, but aside from the new art being not as good imo, I don't think it influenced the writing.

    Could give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Really wish the whole fascist thing wasn't double speak for anyone who doesnt share my very specific world view.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:33:08 AM
    Added Palladium to green. I'm tempted to put games workshop into red even though they don't really make ttrpgs. I was getting discouraged early on especially after seeing who signed those insane statements that i'm sure will age like milk. But seeing more and more fall into the green category gives me hope that our hobby isnt entirely screwed.

    There is a chance that Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs) is woke, although that might just be Diogo Nogueira, as he has endorsed the idea of putting a "Game not for Fascists" thing on RPGs, and I am fairly sure he was the one that said he wanted to, to quote, "punch Venger's teeth out at the next con"

    Otherwise I would say North Wind Adventures (AS&SH) is green. Seems like Jeff just wants to game and also honor Gygax. There was a question about the game going slightly woke on his forum with 3e but he ignored it, and he did hire Diogo as the artist for classes, but aside from the new art being not as good imo, I don't think it influenced the writing.

    Could give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Really wish the whole fascist thing wasn't double speak for anyone who doesnt share my very specific world view.

    I agree with that on Gallant Knight, just hope that he doesn't start injecting it as SS&SS is actually a pretty solid game. As for GW, considering they are now going after TTS and game modders with legal action for "hurting their IP", I'd put them in red just for awful treatment of people in the Warhammer hobby, regardless of wokeness. They'd probably outlaw 3D printers if they could lol
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 09:43:08 AM
    Added Palladium to green. I'm tempted to put games workshop into red even though they don't really make ttrpgs. I was getting discouraged early on especially after seeing who signed those insane statements that i'm sure will age like milk. But seeing more and more fall into the green category gives me hope that our hobby isnt entirely screwed.

    There is a chance that Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs) is woke, although that might just be Diogo Nogueira, as he has endorsed the idea of putting a "Game not for Fascists" thing on RPGs, and I am fairly sure he was the one that said he wanted to, to quote, "punch Venger's teeth out at the next con"

    Otherwise I would say North Wind Adventures (AS&SH) is green. Seems like Jeff just wants to game and also honor Gygax. There was a question about the game going slightly woke on his forum with 3e but he ignored it, and he did hire Diogo as the artist for classes, but aside from the new art being not as good imo, I don't think it influenced the writing.

    Could give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Really wish the whole fascist thing wasn't double speak for anyone who doesnt share my very specific world view.
    Using either Fascist or Marxist is useless for anything other than the virtue signaling of those flinging the term at people that disagree with them.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
    I have been reading a lot of Free League and I would put them in the Yellow leaning Green category.   From what I have seen, a lot of their work is surprisingly based.

    First, the Alien RPG.  The Alien franchise has always been built on intense psychological and sexual horror.  As I was reading it, I was bracing myself for the inevitable stupid section about safety tools.  Surely if any game is going to have a lecture about the necessity of X-cards, the game about a species of giant, murderous, parasitic penises that rape people's mouths and impregnate them with parasites that eat them from the inside out will.  To my surprise and relief, there wasn't one.  Unless there's a sidebar or paragraph I missed somewhere, I didn't see a single mention of X-cards or aftercare.  Good

    The other work that I have found surprisingly Based is Forbidden Lands.  Forbidden Lands has some woke-isms such as calling Races "Kin."  However actually reading the text makes me think they are using surface level Woke-isms to sneak anti-Woke themes past the radar in a similar way to the Amazon streaming series "Man in the High Castle" did.  First, they don't see a need to make the setting look like Portland during Pride.  Basically all of the characters are White (this is a Swedish game).  Furthermore the setting is a part of the world that has been in near total isolation for at least 3 centuries due to magic killer mist so there's not much in the way of international trade or migration.

    EDIT: Another point in Forbidden Land's favor is that the characters pictured are as physically fit as you would expect them to be, there's not a landwhale Acrobat to be seen.  Plenty of conventionally attractive women on display to.

    On the subject of Seattle at Pride while there is one line that seems to imply that Elves (why is it always the long-ears but I digress) can change their gender, this is never confirmed.  The only confirmed non-traditionally gendered character, Meligal, is an evil monster who rapes children.  Yes this is right there in Raven's Purge's opening fiction.

    The strongest anti-woke themes I'm seeing are in the depiction of Orcs.   They are almost a parody of the "Orcs equals African Americans" trope in modern woke fantasy.  Orcs in the Forbidden Lands were quite literally created by the god Clay in order to be slaves.  They were freed as a byproduct of a war between Humans, Elves and Dwarves and since then the Orcs have proceeded to do everything in their power to make their situation worse in every conceivable way.  Orcs have refused to grow beyond their trauma.  They think the fact they were dealt a bad hand in the distant past justifies genocide against other races and horrid mistreatment of their own (fully half of all Orc males are slaves, enslaved by other Orcs).  Orcish leadership are all Women.  Women who encourage this toxic victim mentality and the destructive behaviors that come with it in order to maintain their power.

    tl;dr Orcs in the Forbidden Lands are a race at war with everyone else who blame everyone else for their own mostly self-inflicted problems and their leadership is secretive cabal of toxic feminists.   ;D

    As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

    This is probably still going to be a black mark in some people's book to have topical politics in the game at all, but I find it rather refreshing. "Getting crap past the radar" is one of the best methods of rebelling against any establishment power structure.   These tactics worked when the Religious Right had the social power to suppress speech.  I see no reason why they won't work now.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:23:38 AM
    As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

    Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

    What is the consensus here?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Godsmonkey on August 05, 2021, 10:28:46 AM
    Edit: Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) is woke but idk to what degree as I don't follow their games. I do remember a big spiel about identity and gender at the beginning of the newest Shadowrun edition but need more info

    I'm so glad I swapped the clunky SR rules for Savage Worlds, and am working on my own die pool system for when I return to the game in the future.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:32:52 AM
    Edit: Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) is woke but idk to what degree as I don't follow their games. I do remember a big spiel about identity and gender at the beginning of the newest Shadowrun edition but need more info

    I'm so glad I swapped the clunky SR rules for Savage Worlds, and am working on my own die pool system for when I return to the game in the future.

    I google search turned up this https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Armchair Gamer on August 05, 2021, 10:36:18 AM
    What is the consensus here?

      He's still on Twitter, but all I've picked up on from some stray references (I don't follow him and wouldn't if you paid me) is his recent contention that Tolkien was 'really' pagan and only practiced Catholicism because it was 'expected' for someone respectable in 20th century England ...
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:39:56 AM
    What is the consensus here?

      He's still on Twitter, but all I've picked up on from some stray references (I don't follow him and wouldn't if you paid me) is his recent contention that Tolkien was 'really' pagan and only practiced Catholicism because it was 'expected' for someone respectable in 20th century England ...

    Only crime there is being most likely wrong. I mean anything is certainly possible but thats a pretty far cry from burning churches or screaming "sigheil"
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 10:40:58 AM
    As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

    Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

    What is the consensus here?

    He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 10:44:31 AM
    As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

    Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

    What is the consensus here?

    He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

    Why would they claim hes the furthest thing from Nazis you'd think they'd get all kinds of turned on by finding an actual Nazi and not just someone who was on the MAGA train or something. Anyway might just strike him off the list if he doesn't fit really any categories or drop him to red despite not being woke and still probably hating you.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ghostmaker on August 05, 2021, 10:47:10 AM
    As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

    Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

    What is the consensus here?

    He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

    Why would they claim hes the furthest thing from Nazis you'd think they'd get all kinds of turned on by finding an actual Nazi and not just someone who was on the MAGA train or something. Anyway might just strike him off the list if he doesn't fit really any categories or drop him to red despite not being woke and still probably hating you.
    Because they're not actually looking for Nazis. They're looking for people they can smear as Nazis.

    This kinda ties in with a theme I've seen among the wokeists. They want their enemies to be horrible, irredeemable monsters -- but they also have to be cardboard cutouts who fall over if you shout at them. Terrible foes who are about as threatening as pocket lint.

    Actual, real villains -- the kind that would shrug at their epithets, and then consign them to the scorpion pits -- make them wet themselves and cry.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Godsmonkey on August 05, 2021, 11:10:14 AM
    Edit: Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) is woke but idk to what degree as I don't follow their games. I do remember a big spiel about identity and gender at the beginning of the newest Shadowrun edition but need more info

    I'm so glad I swapped the clunky SR rules for Savage Worlds, and am working on my own die pool system for when I return to the game in the future.

    I google search turned up this https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/

    So, they are trying to walk a tightrope from the looks of it. Capitalizing "Black Lives Matter" IMO suggests support of the organization, not the idea that people of African decent are just as valuable as those of European decent. But then they try to walk it back with tepid support, then soft condemnation of the police and military.

    It won't be enough with woke gamers turn their gaze to them.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 11:13:08 AM
    He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

    It's sad but true that the Guilt by Association fallacy remains a powerful weapon in the Establishment's arsenal.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
    As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

    Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

    What is the consensus here?

    He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: palaeomerus on August 05, 2021, 01:56:17 PM

    The other work that I have found surprisingly Based is Forbidden Lands.  Forbidden Lands has some woke-isms such as calling Races "Kin." 


    From what I read Elves are procreation capable space androids powered by crystals and  Dwarves are designer-gene descendants of the crew of the World ship that the Forbidden Lands in set on who escaped from the DEEP DEEP DEEP tunnels and technology to go semi-feral up in the DEEP tunnels and they lost their link to those they split off from. I think they were also hinting that gods and demons were AIs and or things from another dimension, so the setting does a lot of Mystara like techno-sorcery things in the background.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Merrill on August 05, 2021, 02:19:14 PM
    Kobold Press seems to be OK. I haven't seen anything woke or crazy from them or their authors

    unless someone else has seen something
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Torque2100 on August 05, 2021, 02:30:06 PM

    The other work that I have found surprisingly Based is Forbidden Lands.  Forbidden Lands has some woke-isms such as calling Races "Kin." 


    From what I read Elves are procreation capable space androids powered by crystals and  Dwarves are designer-gene descendants of the crew of the World ship that the Forbidden Lands in set on who escaped from the DEEP DEEP DEEP tunnels and technology to go semi-feral up in the DEEP tunnels and they lost their link to those they split off from. I think they were also hinting that gods and demons were AIs and or things from another dimension, so the setting does a lot of Mystara like techno-sorcery things in the background.

    That's actually pretty accurate.   Elves have a ruby in their chest (the translation is murky but it seems to imply that the ruby is in the center of the Elf's Heart) which can be used to completely regrow the Elf's body with powerful magic but otherwise functions much like an Eldar Soulstone from 40k.  If made into a piece of jewelry, the elf inside will communicate with the owner in their dreams.  Yes, Elf rubies are very valuable and yes humans do murder elves and cut out their rubies sometimes.

    Demons are more akin to the Demons from Berserk.  They're either monstrous beings from alien dimensions or humans who sacrificed their humanity for power.

    Overall I really like Forbidden Lands. It has this great, dark, dangerous, Swords and Sorcery feel to it that reminds me of Berserk and First Edition Warhammer Fantasy in a good way.

    They have released a sactioned Workshop so third parties can publish new material for the setting/system and already we have some stand-out products on DriveThruRPG.

    My personal Favorites are "Reforged Power" which is a rebalance of the game and "Tales of High Adventure" a rules conversion for using the Forbidden Lands system for Conan-style Swords and Sorcery Adventures.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: SonTodoGato on August 05, 2021, 04:47:37 PM
    Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

    Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
       
    Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 05, 2021, 05:10:40 PM
    Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

    Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
       
    Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

    Got anything else for Goodman games? I stupid post like that definitely puts them in yellow territory. Can’t find anything about them going full crazy and telling people not to buy their games or having staff doxxing people
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Shasarak on August 05, 2021, 05:38:47 PM
    Kobold Press seems to be OK. I haven't seen anything woke or crazy from them or their authors

    unless someone else has seen something

    I would say that Wolfgang Baur suffers from the typical woke designer syndrome but is able to separate his ideology from his company pretty well.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Crusader X on August 05, 2021, 05:57:08 PM
    Kobold Press seems to be OK. I haven't seen anything woke or crazy from them or their authors

    unless someone else has seen something

    The Kobold Guide to Gamemastering harps about white males checking their privilege at the gaming table.  They also pretty much say you're a bigot if you think that transmen or transwomen are "in any way undesirable or abnormal".

    Kobold = Woke
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 05:58:53 PM
    Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

    Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
       
    Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

    Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

    Ar, Ar Matey!
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 06:04:30 PM
    As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

    Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

    What is the consensus here?

    He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

    Why would they claim hes the furthest thing from Nazis you'd think they'd get all kinds of turned on by finding an actual Nazi and not just someone who was on the MAGA train or something. Anyway might just strike him off the list if he doesn't fit really any categories or drop him to red despite not being woke and still probably hating you.

    The other way around they claim that people that have nothing in common with Varg or neonazis ARE somehow nazis themselves, a la "Ben Shappiro promotes white supremacism" levels of separation and stupid.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 06:05:54 PM
    As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

    Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

    What is the consensus here?

    He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

    Must be why the "Darkies" are all stupid savages in his game... Because neither the game nor the author are actual racists.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: SHARK on August 05, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
    Greetings!

    Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

    It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

    Semper Fidelis,

    SHARK
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:15:00 PM
    ...back on topic, I guess Catalyst Game Labs would be moved to yellow? Also although that post from Goodman is suspect, a lot of people got caught up in the BLM craze that I think they should remain in yellow, since they don't put politics in their products or go after or dox people as far as I can tell. Honestly, that artwork to me just seems like pandering so they could sell the Shauna cover corebook.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 06:18:01 PM
    ...back on topic, I guess Catalyst Game Labs would be moved to yellow? Also although that post from Goodman is suspect, a lot of people got caught up in the BLM craze that I think they should remain in yellow, since they don't put politics in their products or go after or dox people as far as I can tell. Honestly, that artwork to me just seems like pandering so they could sell the Shauna cover corebook.

    Whatever I'm still not giving them a dime, will rework my DCC based game to White Box, and will sail the high seas IF I find I really want anything from them.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:25:11 PM
    ...back on topic, I guess Catalyst Game Labs would be moved to yellow? Also although that post from Goodman is suspect, a lot of people got caught up in the BLM craze that I think they should remain in yellow, since they don't put politics in their products or go after or dox people as far as I can tell. Honestly, that artwork to me just seems like pandering so they could sell the Shauna cover corebook.

    Whatever I'm still not giving them a dime, will rework my DCC based game to White Box, and will sail the high seas IF I find I really want anything from them.

    Fair enough, honestly between AS&SH, Forbidden Lands, OSE, and OSRIC I'm pretty set with stuff to run and play for a good long time and never really ran DCC (although I own it)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: jhkim on August 05, 2021, 06:27:36 PM
    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman
    Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

    It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

    Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

    (https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

    But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Klytus on August 05, 2021, 06:32:10 PM
    Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

    Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
       
    Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

    Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

    Ar, Ar Matey!

    Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

    https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:40:32 PM
    Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

    Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
       
    Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

    Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

    Ar, Ar Matey!

    Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

    https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

    Doesn't Daniel Fox consistently release his games for free to artificially spike his sales numbers as well as pose as other people on various RPG forums and groups to "recommend" his game? I remember hearing about that years ago.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 06:43:00 PM
    Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

    Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
       
    Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

    Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

    Ar, Ar Matey!

    Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

    https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

    Your lack of Google-Fu is troubling young padawan. Let me see if I can get you a link to a certain place. (Not the admin so I don't know if I can invite ppl to a private group.)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 06:46:02 PM
    Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

    Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
       
    Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

    Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

    Ar, Ar Matey!

    Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

    https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

    Doesn't Daniel Fox consistently release his games for free to artificially spike his sales numbers as well as pose as other people on various RPG forums and groups to "recommend" his game? I remember hearing about that years ago.
    The link says he releases community copies to the disadvantaged.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:48:17 PM
    Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

    Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
       
    Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

    Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

    Ar, Ar Matey!

    Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

    https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

    Doesn't Daniel Fox consistently release his games for free to artificially spike his sales numbers as well as pose as other people on various RPG forums and groups to "recommend" his game? I remember hearing about that years ago.
    The link says he releases community copies to the disadvantaged.

    Ah yes, the disadvantaged that spiked him to the top of DriveThru's best sellers list for a year because of the number of downloads
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 06:51:02 PM
    Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

    Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
       
    Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

    Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

    Ar, Ar Matey!

    Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

    https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

    Doesn't Daniel Fox consistently release his games for free to artificially spike his sales numbers as well as pose as other people on various RPG forums and groups to "recommend" his game? I remember hearing about that years ago.
    The link says he releases community copies to the disadvantaged.

    Ah yes, the disadvantaged that spiked him to the top of DriveThru's best sellers list for a year because of the number of downloads
    He's a game designer that's gaming the system. So fucking what? Anybody else can follow his lead if they like and will get the same results, right?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 06:54:58 PM
    Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

    Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
       
    Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

    Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

    Ar, Ar Matey!

    Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

    https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

    Doesn't Daniel Fox consistently release his games for free to artificially spike his sales numbers as well as pose as other people on various RPG forums and groups to "recommend" his game? I remember hearing about that years ago.
    The link says he releases community copies to the disadvantaged.

    Ah yes, the disadvantaged that spiked him to the top of DriveThru's best sellers list for a year because of the number of downloads
    He's a game designer that's gaming the system. So fucking what? Anybody else can follow his lead if they like and will get the same results, right?

    Fair enough, just think it's a little self-serving/self-congradulatory in his wording on his blog is honestly my only really issue with him, granted I don't follow the d100/WFRP sphere at all so opinions of him there are probably different
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 07:00:18 PM
    Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

    Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
       
    Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

    Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

    Ar, Ar Matey!

    Sadly the Trove was taken down by Daniel the douchebag Fox.

    https://zweihanderrpg.medium.com/on-ttrpg-piracy-and-the-trove-f3d36ded9283

    Doesn't Daniel Fox consistently release his games for free to artificially spike his sales numbers as well as pose as other people on various RPG forums and groups to "recommend" his game? I remember hearing about that years ago.
    The link says he releases community copies to the disadvantaged.

    Ah yes, the disadvantaged that spiked him to the top of DriveThru's best sellers list for a year because of the number of downloads
    He's a game designer that's gaming the system. So fucking what? Anybody else can follow his lead if they like and will get the same results, right?

    Fair enough, just think it's a little self-serving/self-congradulatory in his wording on his blog is honestly my only really issue with him, granted I don't follow the d100/WFRP sphere at all so opinions of him there are probably different
    Damn near everyone is "a little self-serving" with their public online presence. If they're not, they're doing it wrong.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 07:06:28 PM
    Damn near everyone is "a little self-serving" with their public online presence. If they're not, they're doing it wrong.

    I mean once again true, the end goal is to sell a product
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 07:10:10 PM
    Damn near everyone is "a little self-serving" with their public online presence. If they're not, they're doing it wrong.

    I mean once again true, the end goal is to sell a product
    See almost any video by Pundit for an example. Even when he's reviewing someone else's product,  he's spending at least as much effort trying to sell his own.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 05, 2021, 07:14:51 PM
    I was disappointed with C7's Warhammer 4e wokeness, but it should have come as no surprise really, as C7 seem to be pretty SJW friendly with their other titles.

    I loved the original WFRP game as it was completely irreverent and were full of that English black humor.

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 07:24:05 PM
    Damn near everyone is "a little self-serving" with their public online presence. If they're not, they're doing it wrong.

    I mean once again true, the end goal is to sell a product
    See almost any video by Pundit for an example. Even when he's reviewing someone else's product,  he's spending at least as much effort trying to sell his own.

    Yeah, totally, promoting your products on your YT channel at the end of a review is EXACTLY the same as gamming the system to attain gold best seller...

    HappyDerp doing the Derp again.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 05, 2021, 07:37:04 PM
    Damn near everyone is "a little self-serving" with their public online presence. If they're not, they're doing it wrong.

    I mean once again true, the end goal is to sell a product
    See almost any video by Pundit for an example. Even when he's reviewing someone else's product,  he's spending at least as much effort trying to sell his own.

    Yeah, totally, promoting your products on your YT channel at the end of a review is EXACTLY the same as gamming the system to attain gold best seller...

    HappyDerp doing the Derp again.
    The conversation--specifically the part you quoted--had moved past that point. Do try to keep up.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: FingerRod on August 05, 2021, 08:28:18 PM
    Damn near everyone is "a little self-serving" with their public online presence. If they're not, they're doing it wrong.

    I mean once again true, the end goal is to sell a product
    See almost any video by Pundit for an example. Even when he's reviewing someone else's product,  he's spending at least as much effort trying to sell his own.

    Yeah, totally, promoting your products on your YT channel at the end of a review is EXACTLY the same as gamming the system to attain gold best seller...

    HappyDerp doing the Derp again.
    The conversation--specifically the part you quoted--had moved past that point. Do try to keep up.

    He doesn’t need to try to keep up. All you need is the attention span of a fruit fly to recall what you said a couple posts prior. And I disagree with the notion that everybody games the system. Your follow-up example of shilling products during a video equating free copies to boost to gold status is not the same thing.

    There are thousands of products and creators. It is lunacy to expect everybody to give away copies to manipulate their sales ranking.

    It is lame as fuck.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Semaj Khan on August 05, 2021, 08:45:16 PM
    Look, Fox didn't do shit; he's talking out of his ass. The manager for The Trove has said they're simply reorganizing it.

    <Retracted due to enlightenment.>

    So, does piracy hurt or help sales? Everyone's got an opinion on that one. Grim Jim on YT seems to think it helps. I don't know... I don't keep track of anyone's sales. I do believe that if you create something and put it up for sale, in whatever form... dead tree, PDF... and you don't want it pirated, then you have every right to say something when someone does it... and the non-publishing armchair yuk-yuks can just run their mouths all they want because they don't matter.

    Paying customers matter.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Pat on August 05, 2021, 09:01:24 PM
    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)
    That looked really cool... until I scrolled down and saw the tag line.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:11:03 PM
    Look, Fox didn't do shit; he's talking out of his ass. The manager for The Trove has said they're simply reorganizing it.

    Now, for those of you playing at home saying that Fox is a hypocrite for complaining about piracy all the while he ripped off WHFRP... please use that same argument for Matt Finch, Stuart Marshall and the rest of us who engineered OSRIC. For extra points, also talk shit about LL, OSE, and whatever other OSR games are floating around because they freely "rip off" old TSR material.

    Because they could.

    Because it's legal.

    Because there was a demand.

    So, does piracy hurt or help sales? Everyone's got an opinion on that one. Grim Jim on YT seems to think it helps. I don't know... I don't keep track of anyone's sales. I do believe that if you create something and put it up for sale, in whatever form... dead tree, PDF... and you don't want it pirated, then you have every right to say something when someone does it... and the non-publishing armchair yuk-yuks can just run their mouths all they want because they don't matter.

    Paying customers matter.

    Agreed, that's why I try to buy physical/PDFs whenever I can. Hell, the only reason I've pirated something is just to give a look through to see if I like it because 9/10 times the DriveThru preview is just the Table of Contents (which idk if that's on the publisher or DriveThru). Hence why I own a few copies of DCC, OSRIC in physical, OSE, etc.

    The big issue with Fox, at least to me, is that he has an "only I can do this but it's sleazy if someone else does" type of attitude that just rubs me the wrong way. Especially considering that Zweihander is a retroclone to a degree (once again, not super familiar with WFRP).

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)
    That looked really cool... until I scrolled down and saw the tag line.

    Yeah, I honestly would've used the art and not thought anything of it if it didn't include that bottom bit. Feels like it's starting to become a big ask to just not put politics in RPG books  :(
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Semaj Khan on August 05, 2021, 09:27:54 PM
    Agreed, that's why I try to buy physical/PDFs whenever I can. Hell, the only reason I've pirated something is just to give a look through to see if I like it because 9/10 times the DriveThru preview is just the Table of Contents (which idk if that's on the publisher or DriveThru). Hence why I own a few copies of DCC, OSRIC in physical, OSE, etc.

    Oh sure. I've done the same thing. Back a couple of years ago, for example, I thought about getting into WH40K. I got pdfs... from the Trove... looked the rules over, and made an informed decision.  Was that illegal? Yes. Did it help GWs sales? Sure did.

    Quote
    The big issue with Fox, at least to me, is that he has an "only I can do this but it's sleazy if someone else does" type of attitude that just rubs me the wrong way. Especially considering that Zweihander is a retroclone to a degree (once again, not super familiar with WFRP).

    <Retracted due to enlightenment.>
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Eirikrautha on August 05, 2021, 09:34:09 PM
    Agreed, that's why I try to buy physical/PDFs whenever I can. Hell, the only reason I've pirated something is just to give a look through to see if I like it because 9/10 times the DriveThru preview is just the Table of Contents (which idk if that's on the publisher or DriveThru). Hence why I own a few copies of DCC, OSRIC in physical, OSE, etc.

    Oh sure. I've done the same thing. Back a couple of years ago, for example, I thought about getting into WH40K. I got pdfs... from the Trove... looked the rules over, and made an informed decision.  Was that illegal? Yes. Did it help GWs sales? Sure did.

    Quote
    The big issue with Fox, at least to me, is that he has an "only I can do this but it's sleazy if someone else does" type of attitude that just rubs me the wrong way. Especially considering that Zweihander is a retroclone to a degree (once again, not super familiar with WFRP).

    Dude, for real? What did I say back up the thread? Why are you equating piracy with retro-cloning?  The first is illegal, the second is perfectly legal. Now, I know people who raised holy hell when OSRIC came out... like that ignorant asshole who had Hackmaster... but it was kicked off by an attorney who did his research and knew it was legal.  That is not the same thing as piracy, and to paint Fox with both brushes is either personal or a lack of understanding. 

    Just because ZH didn't spring out of his ass fully formed like some meth head Aphrodite doesn't mean he ripped anyone off, and if you think it's so... then like I said above, you have a lot of others to condemn as well. So spread the love.

    Frankly, by resurrecting WHFRP 1E in a new form, I think he did the world a favor because 4E sucks.

    How do I know that?

    Because I have the goddamned pdf. :D
    Uhhh, I think you have missed his point.  No one I've seen is comparing retro-cloning with piracy.  Fox himself has said that other retro-clones (and adaptations of his material) are intellectual theft.  That's the hypocrisy everyone is referring to.  He's called the OSR theft, when he did the same thing.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 05, 2021, 09:48:10 PM
    Agreed, that's why I try to buy physical/PDFs whenever I can. Hell, the only reason I've pirated something is just to give a look through to see if I like it because 9/10 times the DriveThru preview is just the Table of Contents (which idk if that's on the publisher or DriveThru). Hence why I own a few copies of DCC, OSRIC in physical, OSE, etc.

    Oh sure. I've done the same thing. Back a couple of years ago, for example, I thought about getting into WH40K. I got pdfs... from the Trove... looked the rules over, and made an informed decision.  Was that illegal? Yes. Did it help GWs sales? Sure did.

    Quote
    The big issue with Fox, at least to me, is that he has an "only I can do this but it's sleazy if someone else does" type of attitude that just rubs me the wrong way. Especially considering that Zweihander is a retroclone to a degree (once again, not super familiar with WFRP).

    Dude, for real? What did I say back up the thread? Why are you equating piracy with retro-cloning?  The first is illegal, the second is perfectly legal. Now, I know people who raised holy hell when OSRIC came out... like that ignorant asshole who had Hackmaster... but it was kicked off by an attorney who did his research and knew it was legal.  That is not the same thing as piracy, and to paint Fox with both brushes is either personal or a lack of understanding. 

    Just because ZH didn't spring out of his ass fully formed like some meth head Aphrodite doesn't mean he ripped anyone off, and if you think it's so... then like I said above, you have a lot of others to condemn as well. So spread the love.

    Frankly, by resurrecting WHFRP 1E in a new form, I think he did the world a favor because 4E sucks.

    How do I know that?

    Because I have the goddamned pdf. :D
    Uhhh, I think you have missed his point.  No one I've seen is comparing retro-cloning with piracy.  Fox himself has said that other retro-clones (and adaptations of his material) are intellectual theft.  That's the hypocrisy everyone is referring to.  He's called the OSR theft, when he did the same thing.

    That was what I was trying to say, thank you. Seems I didn't quite get the wording right. I wasn't equating the OSR or retroclones to piracy, I was saying it was hypocritical that he does when he quite literally made a retroclone
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Semaj Khan on August 05, 2021, 09:49:18 PM
    Agreed, that's why I try to buy physical/PDFs whenever I can. Hell, the only reason I've pirated something is just to give a look through to see if I like it because 9/10 times the DriveThru preview is just the Table of Contents (which idk if that's on the publisher or DriveThru). Hence why I own a few copies of DCC, OSRIC in physical, OSE, etc.

    Oh sure. I've done the same thing. Back a couple of years ago, for example, I thought about getting into WH40K. I got pdfs... from the Trove... looked the rules over, and made an informed decision.  Was that illegal? Yes. Did it help GWs sales? Sure did.

    Quote
    The big issue with Fox, at least to me, is that he has an "only I can do this but it's sleazy if someone else does" type of attitude that just rubs me the wrong way. Especially considering that Zweihander is a retroclone to a degree (once again, not super familiar with WFRP).

    Dude, for real? What did I say back up the thread? Why are you equating piracy with retro-cloning?  The first is illegal, the second is perfectly legal. Now, I know people who raised holy hell when OSRIC came out... like that ignorant asshole who had Hackmaster... but it was kicked off by an attorney who did his research and knew it was legal.  That is not the same thing as piracy, and to paint Fox with both brushes is either personal or a lack of understanding. 

    Just because ZH didn't spring out of his ass fully formed like some meth head Aphrodite doesn't mean he ripped anyone off, and if you think it's so... then like I said above, you have a lot of others to condemn as well. So spread the love.

    Frankly, by resurrecting WHFRP 1E in a new form, I think he did the world a favor because 4E sucks.

    How do I know that?

    Because I have the goddamned pdf. :D
    Uhhh, I think you have missed his point.  No one I've seen is comparing retro-cloning with piracy.  Fox himself has said that other retro-clones (and adaptations of his material) are intellectual theft.  That's the hypocrisy everyone is referring to.  He's called the OSR theft, when he did the same thing.


    AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

    See, I did not know that. That is indeed a horse of a different color.

    I retract my previous statements then. Thanks for enlightening me.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Semaj Khan on August 05, 2021, 09:51:57 PM

    That was what I was trying to say, thank you. Seems I didn't quite get the wording right. I wasn't equating the OSR or retroclones to piracy, I was saying it was hypocritical that he does when he quite literally made a retroclone

    Agreed. Previous statements retracted.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: palaeomerus on August 05, 2021, 09:54:08 PM
    (https://i.imgur.com/OVYlkOS.png)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Eirikrautha on August 05, 2021, 10:32:08 PM
    (https://i.imgur.com/OVYlkOS.png)

    "...while poor Dr. Carver died, penniless and insane, still trying to play a phonograph record with a peanut." - Shabazz K. Morton

    (https://www.onesnladay.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/12-15-1984_0.24.48.00-300x225.jpg)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 10:33:09 PM
    Paizo is lucky the SJWs don't speak spanish nor are fluent in hispanic culture. Polyhedron #160 / Dragon #101 has a mini game called Iron Lords of Jupiter.

    One of the races is called (I shit you not) Marikon, this is the homophone spanish equivalent of the "a bundle of sticks" homophobic slur.

    If I weren't a principled person...
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Eirikrautha on August 05, 2021, 10:33:23 PM
    AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

    See, I did not know that. That is indeed a horse of a different color.

    I retract my previous statements then. Thanks for enlightening me.
    No problem.  I thought it was a matter of simple misunderstanding...
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 11:01:39 PM
    As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

    Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

    What is the consensus here?

    He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman

    The Myfarog I saw was extremely racist.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 05, 2021, 11:07:47 PM
    Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

    Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
       
    Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

    Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

    Ar, Ar Matey!

    Please do not promote/encourage illegal filesharing on this forum. If you go beyond encouraging it to enabling it I would have no choice but to ban you, and I really don't want to do that.

    I'm not of the opinion that filesharing is significantly harmful to sales, but this forum cannot tolerate filesharing being linked or directed to for reasons that are obvious.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Shasarak on August 05, 2021, 11:23:19 PM
    I agree with RPGPundit:  Ninjas only!
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2021, 11:50:51 PM
    Thulean Perspective is Varg Vikernes. That man is a church arsonist and a murderer who travelled for kilometers just to kill Euronymous in "self defense". He's not a nazi in the sense that MSM promotes it, but he's far from being a good person.

    Also, fuck Jeff Dee. I used to watch him on "The Atheist Experience" back in my edgy days of democrat indoctrination. Found out the host, Matt Dilahunty is in favor of BLM. This idiot
       
    Also add DCC (Goodman games) to the red list of corporate bootlickers, marxists, anti whites and black worshippers

    (https://i.redd.it/my2wfmcxxq251.jpg)

    Welp, and there goes any remorse that was stopping me from sailing the high seas to find the fabled DCC Trove!

    Ar, Ar Matey!

    Please do not promote/encourage illegal filesharing on this forum. If you go beyond encouraging it to enabling it I would have no choice but to ban you, and I really don't want to do that.

    I'm not of the opinion that filesharing is significantly harmful to sales, but this forum cannot tolerate filesharing being linked or directed to for reasons that are obvious.

    Got it.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Torque2100 on August 06, 2021, 07:18:47 AM
    I'm willing to give Goodman Games the benefit of the doubt.  A lot of people were caught up in the Black Lives Matter craze from last summer.  The fact is, if we purity test absolutely every publisher, we'll be gaming alone.  I will be watching their products closely for the appearance of ranty "No Fascists Allowed" disclaimers in their books.

    I would like to direct your attention to an evergreen thread by Aaron the Pedantic about the difference between themes and direct political messaging. (https://twitter.com/cha_neg/status/1410673500294193153?s=20)

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 06, 2021, 08:58:48 AM
    I'm willing to give Goodman Games the benefit of the doubt.  A lot of people were caught up in the Black Lives Matter craze from last summer.  The fact is, if we purity test absolutely every publisher, we'll be gaming alone.  I will be watching their products closely for the appearance of ranty "No Fascists Allowed" disclaimers in their books.

    I would like to direct your attention to an evergreen thread by Aaron the Pedantic about the difference between themes and direct political messaging. (https://twitter.com/cha_neg/status/1410673500294193153?s=20)

    Well, I agree to a certain extent. Most of the truly Woke crowd will be unable to resist putting their messaging as propaganda directly into their products.

    However, there are some who don't. Some designers (myself included) are very obviously political in their public statements and yet do not port these politics into their products. None of my products have an overt (or even really covert) contemporary political partisanship in their content (I mean, maybe the closest I get to that might be The Invisible College, as it's a modern setting, but the political message is at best a clear preference for 18th century classical liberalism, and individualism over collectivism).

    When it comes to Woke designers, the question then depends on whether what you care about is "do they make cool games that don't try to force feed you political propaganda?" OR "do the people who made these books and presumably will profit from them loudly proclaim an ideology that wants to see your country, family, or lives destroyed?".

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:16:13 AM
    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman
    Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

    It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

    Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

    (https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

    But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

    When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

    I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

    AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

    Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

    In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

    MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Svenhelgrim on August 06, 2021, 09:29:13 AM
    Paizo is lucky the SJWs don't speak spanish nor are fluent in hispanic culture. Polyhedron #160 / Dragon #101 has a mini game called Iron Lords of Jupiter.

    One of the races is called (I shit you not) Marikon, this is the homophone spanish equivalent of the "a bundle of sticks" homophobic slur.

    If I weren't a principled person...

    Maybe they did that on purpose?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ghostmaker on August 06, 2021, 09:43:52 AM
    'Imagine better worlds while tripping your balls off on peyote.'

    That's kinda what I got out of that GMG pic. I mean, really guys...

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 06, 2021, 10:09:00 AM
    Some other ones I needed more information on for the list is

    For now I put these all under the green category for being either apolitical or in lamentation's case also being a target by the twitterati for cancelation.

    Also thank you all for contributing to this thread, I think so far we have a sizeable list of companies that might be worth supporting or doing business with. I do kind of wish we had more accurate terms for them, since "woke" as a word is stupid, and some wear the SJW banner with pride despite its inaccuracy of having anything to do with justice. Grifter is too broad, and NPC is just an insult (not that they don't deserve it). "Leftie" or "Leftist" is a terrible description because of the arbitrary moving goal posts of left and right, just and even politically associated parties are not self descriptive. We need to coin a term that is both descriptive, and catchy leaving them unable to deny it. To name something is to exert power over it, as the activists have figured out. So lets name them and strip away all pretense and illusion.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 06, 2021, 10:48:57 AM
    I really like Delving Deeper. I'm really hoping that we hear something from the creators of Delving Deeper with respect to future updates, products, etc.

    I want to see it on Amazon (not just Lulu) for purchase along with Basic Fantasy and Whitebox FMAG!

    I'm hoping we see more products from Whitebox FMAG, too. I think it's a good product -- inexpensive on Amazon.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Eirikrautha on August 06, 2021, 11:06:57 AM
    Some other ones I needed more information on for the list is
    • Lamentations of the Flame Princess
    • For Gold and Glory
    • Delving Deeper

    For now I put these all under the green category for being either apolitical or in lamentation's case also being a target by the twitterati for cancelation.

    Also thank you all for contributing to this thread, I think so far we have a sizeable list of companies that might be worth supporting or doing business with. I do kind of wish we had more accurate terms for them, since "woke" as a word is stupid, and some wear the SJW banner with pride despite its inaccuracy of having anything to do with justice. Grifter is too broad, and NPC is just an insult (not that they don't deserve it). "Leftie" or "Leftist" is a terrible description because of the arbitrary moving goal posts of left and right, just and even politically associated parties are not self descriptive. We need to coin a term that is both descriptive, and catchy leaving them unable to deny it. To name something is to exert power over it, as the activists have figured out. So lets name them and strip away all pretense and illusion.
    Hey, why not use their own terms against them (that's how "SJW" became a thing)?  These are companies that are "toxic" to fans that they don't like.  This can be our "Toxic Company" list. 

    We could also separate the yellow from red and call the yellow "pandering companies", or perhaps "cowardly companies".

    Or, how about simple "Ideologues."  Because that's the real problem.  They can't separate their ideology from their games.  And they demand everyone else do the same.  So they could legit be called totalitarian (in the more literal definition), because they demand all things to be about their ideology.  But that term might lead to some confusion...
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 06, 2021, 11:50:42 AM
    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman
    Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

    It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

    Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

    (https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

    But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

    When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

    I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

    AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

    Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

    In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

    MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

    Darkling, Weakling, Foreigner, Native... From a guy that at the very least was a Neo-Nazi... Not sure I'm going to trust him on anything he says.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Torque2100 on August 06, 2021, 12:04:43 PM
    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman
    Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

    It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

    Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

    (https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

    But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

    When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

    I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

    AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

    Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

    In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

    MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

    Darkling, Weakling, Foreigner, Native... From a guy that at the very least was a Neo-Nazi... Not sure I'm going to trust him on anything he says.

    Varg is not some garden variety Neo-Nazi either.  He's murderer and an arsonist.

    I believe in judging people by their actions and... well... yeah.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Merrill on August 06, 2021, 09:54:34 PM
    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman
    Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

    It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

    Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

    (https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

    But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

    When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

    I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

    AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

    Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

    In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

    MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

    Darkling, Weakling, Foreigner, Native... From a guy that at the very least was a Neo-Nazi... Not sure I'm going to trust him on anything he says.

    OK, I actually had to go back a couple editions (the new ones don't use the above species and table) to find this. And on page 5 of MYFAROG 2.4 it says:

    "Darklings and Weaklines are the names of the only known races of the swarthy and cruel Arbi species ...they have fang-like teeth"

    so like Varg says in his video, these are NOT humans --they are like orcs or goblins

    the Foreigners are human traders or merchants from some distant land --they are not described as criminal, animals, whatever. Sure, they don't get the bonuses the elves and God fathered get, but they are like common humans in D&D, aka not heroes.

    The Darklings and Weaklings get penalties to some stats because they are not suited to live in the arctic climate where the game takes place

    So if you are reading between the lines here and see black people, that is on you bro. I never thought that quite frankly
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 06, 2021, 10:35:49 PM
    I'm willing to give Goodman Games the benefit of the doubt.  A lot of people were caught up in the Black Lives Matter craze from last summer.  The fact is, if we purity test absolutely every publisher, we'll be gaming alone.  I will be watching their products closely for the appearance of ranty "No Fascists Allowed" disclaimers in their books.

    I would like to direct your attention to an evergreen thread by Aaron the Pedantic about the difference between themes and direct political messaging. (https://twitter.com/cha_neg/status/1410673500294193153?s=20)

    Well, I agree to a certain extent. Most of the truly Woke crowd will be unable to resist putting their messaging as propaganda directly into their products.

    However, there are some who don't. Some designers (myself included) are very obviously political in their public statements and yet do not port these politics into their products. None of my products have an overt (or even really covert) contemporary political partisanship in their content (I mean, maybe the closest I get to that might be The Invisible College, as it's a modern setting, but the political message is at best a clear preference for 18th century classical liberalism, and individualism over collectivism).

    When it comes to Woke designers, the question then depends on whether what you care about is "do they make cool games that don't try to force feed you political propaganda?" OR "do the people who made these books and presumably will profit from them loudly proclaim an ideology that wants to see your country, family, or lives destroyed?".

    Honestly for that alone I'm still willing to support companies like Goodman honestly, because aside from that singular post and distancing from Judge's Guild (although a lot of people did at the time), there isn't anything political I've seen and it's nice to see zany gonzo every now and then. Imo Goodman falls into that first category in your question, cool game and they don't force feed it basically at all.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Semaj Khan on August 06, 2021, 10:42:31 PM
    Honestly for that alone I'm still willing to support companies like Goodman honestly, because aside from that singular post and distancing from Judge's Guild (although a lot of people did at the time), there isn't anything political I've seen and it's nice to see zany gonzo every now and then. Imo Goodman falls into that first category in your question, cool game and they don't force feed it basically at all.

    I like Goodman as well, and don't see a problem.

    As to the backing off JG: I basically need a score card these last few years, but IIRC JG stayed in bed with Bill Webb, and Bill's had some serious stank on him. I think that's caused JG some problems... am I right?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 06, 2021, 10:44:28 PM
    Honestly for that alone I'm still willing to support companies like Goodman honestly, because aside from that singular post and distancing from Judge's Guild (although a lot of people did at the time), there isn't anything political I've seen and it's nice to see zany gonzo every now and then. Imo Goodman falls into that first category in your question, cool game and they don't force feed it basically at all.

    I like Goodman as well, and don't see a problem.

    As to the backing off JG: I basically need a score card these last few years, but IIRC JG stayed in bed with Bill Webb, and Bill's had some serious stank on him. I think that's caused JG some problems... am I right?

    I think that's the gist of it, at least from what I remember
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Semaj Khan on August 06, 2021, 10:44:45 PM
    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman
    Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

    It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

    Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

    (https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

    But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

    When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

    I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

    AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

    Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

    In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

    MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

    Darkling, Weakling, Foreigner, Native... From a guy that at the very least was a Neo-Nazi... Not sure I'm going to trust him on anything he says.

    OK, I actually had to go back a couple editions (the new ones don't use the above species and table) to find this. And on page 5 of MYFAROG 2.4 it says:

    "Darklings and Weaklines are the names of the only known races of the swarthy and cruel Arbi species ...they have fang-like teeth"

    so like Varg says in his video, these are NOT humans --they are like orcs or goblins

    the Foreigners are human traders or merchants from some distant land --they are not described as criminal, animals, whatever. Sure, they don't get the bonuses the elves and God fathered get, but they are like common humans in D&D, aka not heroes.

    The Darklings and Weaklings get penalties to some stats because they are not suited to live in the arctic climate where the game takes place

    So if you are reading between the lines here and see black people, that is on you bro. I never thought that quite frankly

    So the Norse had a name for the indigenous population of North America... skraeling... and the word has several meanings one of which is "weakling." That may be the weakling reference in that chart.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Tubesock Army on August 07, 2021, 04:36:19 PM
    As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

    Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

    What is the consensus here?

    He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman


    Varg continues to espouse racist ideology loudly and openly you absolute dimbulb. And he didn't "make a claim". He made a series of racist statements, elaborated on them, has written two books of racist propaganda, and continues to tweet stuff like this:

    (https://img.fae.ro/bd81cb.png)

    (https://img.fae.ro/ea8079.png)

    (https://img.fae.ro/4a78a3.png)

    God damn you are dumb.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 07, 2021, 04:41:26 PM
    Some more to add to the list I guess:

    David Black (The Black Hack) - I know he tried to cancel pundit once and is very vocal politically but it isn't in his game(s) at all from what I can see?

    Schwalb Entertainment (Shadow of the Demon Lord) - I remember some hubub about then some time ago but never followed because I'm not a big fan of their game
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 07, 2021, 04:58:32 PM
    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman
    Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

    It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

    Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

    (https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

    But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

    When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

    I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

    AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

    Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

    In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

    MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

    I'm sorry, but in the edition I saw, the Kopparmen, who are divided into two totally different groups called "weaklings" (who are very clearly meant to be a thinly veiled analogy for Jews and Arabs) and "darklings" (who are very clearly meant to be a thinly veiled analogy for black people), are an OBVIOUS racial statement, and only now has there been this attempt to use the disgusting SJW "Orcs are blacks" claim as a COVER for that neo-nazi bullshit.

    Which is just another crime by the SJWs. They make it so hard to convince people that Varg Vikernes really is a Nazi and myfarog a Nazi game.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 07, 2021, 05:02:28 PM
    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman
    Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

    It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

    Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

    (https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

    But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

    When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

    I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

    AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

    Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

    In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

    MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

    Darkling, Weakling, Foreigner, Native... From a guy that at the very least was a Neo-Nazi... Not sure I'm going to trust him on anything he says.

    OK, I actually had to go back a couple editions (the new ones don't use the above species and table) to find this. And on page 5 of MYFAROG 2.4 it says:

    "Darklings and Weaklines are the names of the only known races of the swarthy and cruel Arbi species ...they have fang-like teeth"

    so like Varg says in his video, these are NOT humans --they are like orcs or goblins

    the Foreigners are human traders or merchants from some distant land --they are not described as criminal, animals, whatever. Sure, they don't get the bonuses the elves and God fathered get, but they are like common humans in D&D, aka not heroes.

    The Darklings and Weaklings get penalties to some stats because they are not suited to live in the arctic climate where the game takes place

    So if you are reading between the lines here and see black people, that is on you bro. I never thought that quite frankly

    This is complete bullshit. The kopparmen are obviously other races. The coverage of it in later editions in an attempt to FOOL idiots or give cover to fellow nazis (which are you, Merrill, an idiot or a Nazi?) doesn't change that.

    The game itself is based on the MADE-UP PROTO-NAZI "thulean" fantasy of the make-believe Aryan Supercivilization.

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: SonTodoGato on August 07, 2021, 05:14:09 PM
    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman
    Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

    It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

    Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

    (https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

    But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

    When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

    I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

    AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

    Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

    In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

    MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

    Darkling, Weakling, Foreigner, Native... From a guy that at the very least was a Neo-Nazi... Not sure I'm going to trust him on anything he says.

    OK, I actually had to go back a couple editions (the new ones don't use the above species and table) to find this. And on page 5 of MYFAROG 2.4 it says:

    "Darklings and Weaklines are the names of the only known races of the swarthy and cruel Arbi species ...they have fang-like teeth"

    so like Varg says in his video, these are NOT humans --they are like orcs or goblins

    the Foreigners are human traders or merchants from some distant land --they are not described as criminal, animals, whatever. Sure, they don't get the bonuses the elves and God fathered get, but they are like common humans in D&D, aka not heroes.

    The Darklings and Weaklings get penalties to some stats because they are not suited to live in the arctic climate where the game takes place

    So if you are reading between the lines here and see black people, that is on you bro. I never thought that quite frankly

    This is complete bullshit. The kopparmen are obviously other races. The coverage of it in later editions in an attempt to FOOL idiots or give cover to fellow nazis (which are you, Merrill, an idiot or a Nazi?) doesn't change that.

    The game itself is based on the MADE-UP PROTO-NAZI "thulean" fantasy of the make-believe Aryan Supercivilization.

    Nothing wrong with playing a game based around the Aryan myth though.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 07, 2021, 05:17:43 PM
    This is a pretty accurate review of myfarog:  https://www.metalsucks.net/2015/08/21/advanced-discrimination-dragons-critical-look-varg-vikernes-myfarog-rpg/ (https://www.metalsucks.net/2015/08/21/advanced-discrimination-dragons-critical-look-varg-vikernes-myfarog-rpg/)

    Note that the whole "kopparmen aren't humans" claim falls apart when Myfarog openly states that their thinly-veiled Jesus analogy was "half kopparman" (Varg hates christianity and is mostly a pagan just because Christianity was a 'jewish religion') and that that the Sicarii (a historically real Jewish organization) are Kopparmen (and are "for some inexplicable reason dedicated to depopulating thule").

    (https://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/IMG_1782-e1438465441683.jpg)

    It's a Nazi game.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Merrill on August 07, 2021, 06:33:18 PM
    As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

    Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

    What is the consensus here?

    He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman


    Varg continues to espouse racist ideology loudly and openly you absolute dimbulb. And he didn't "make a claim". He made a series of racist statements, elaborated on them, has written two books of racist propaganda, and continues to tweet stuff like this:

    (https://img.fae.ro/bd81cb.png)

    (https://img.fae.ro/ea8079.png)

    (https://img.fae.ro/4a78a3.png)

    God damn you are dumb.

    it's nice you found time to dig through Varg''s Twitter history to find evidence of racism. I am not even on Twitter, and I actually have a life, so ...

    I don't need to defend Varg --if you think the game is RaCIst! Then don't play it. I am only telling you what he himself said about his game, that it wasn't.

    But on a side note, do you think Jews, who call themselves God's Chosen People, refer to other races and groups as Goyim, black people as "Schwarze", and operate an ethnostate in Israel with nice big walls and camps for people who get out-of-line, are racist?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Tubesock Army on August 07, 2021, 06:44:58 PM
    As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

    Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

    What is the consensus here?

    He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman


    Varg continues to espouse racist ideology loudly and openly you absolute dimbulb. And he didn't "make a claim". He made a series of racist statements, elaborated on them, has written two books of racist propaganda, and continues to tweet stuff like this:

    (https://img.fae.ro/bd81cb.png)

    (https://img.fae.ro/ea8079.png)

    (https://img.fae.ro/4a78a3.png)

    God damn you are dumb.

    it's nice you found time to dig through Varg''s Twitter history to find evidence of racism. I am not even on Twitter, and I actually have a life, so ...

    I don't need to defend Varg --if you think the game is RaCIst! Then don't play it. I am only telling you what he himself said about his game, that it wasn't.

    But on a side note, do you think Jews, who call themselves God's Chosen People, refer to other races and groups as Goyim, black people as "Schwarze", and operate an ethnostate in Israel with nice big walls and camps for people who get out-of-line, are racist?

    Took like 3 minutes scanning the most recent posts on his timeline. That's all his idiocy - or yours - is worth.

    I dunno about the "Jews" you speak of, but none of the many Jews I've known in my life were doing any of these things. Nice dodge, though. And, no, you weren't "only telling me what he said about his game". You said, and this is a direct quote, "He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook." Which he obviously hasn't. Take the L. You're only embarrassing yourself at this point.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Zelen on August 07, 2021, 06:53:22 PM
    I'm not sure what the point of the discussion about Varg is. Is the list to create a list of "RPG Creators I Agree With" or is the point of the list "RPG Creators Who Don't Parrot Ruling Class Propaganda In Their Works"?

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Eirikrautha on August 07, 2021, 07:41:24 PM
    I'm not sure what the point of the discussion about Varg is. Is the list to create a list of "RPG Creators I Agree With" or is the point of the list "RPG Creators Who Don't Parrot Ruling Class Propaganda In Their Works"?
    My understanding was it was a list of "RPG Creators Who Don't Parrot Propaganda In Their Works".  I don't think it is limited to your definition of "ruling class."  In which case Varg should go up in red.  Next.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Zelen on August 07, 2021, 08:28:12 PM
    I'm not sure what the point of the discussion about Varg is. Is the list to create a list of "RPG Creators I Agree With" or is the point of the list "RPG Creators Who Don't Parrot Ruling Class Propaganda In Their Works"?
    My understanding was it was a list of "RPG Creators Who Don't Parrot Propaganda In Their Works".  I don't think it is limited to your definition of "ruling class."  In which case Varg should go up in red.  Next.

    Woke is a distinct phenomenon, and it has to be treated differently because it's the prevailing orthodox position. If you are saying something or creating a product that contradicts Woke ideology, you're putting your neck on the line. Creating a non-Woke product can get you hounded by an activist mob, and you're risking that your book won't be carried by major storefronts, won't be accepted by book printers, that your payment processor will decline to process transactions, and worse.

    That's a big difference from whether a given product has a particular agenda or ideology behind it. Lots of games have specific perspectives that I don't agree with, but only Woke has any practical impact on my ability to game in the way that I please.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: rocksfalleverybodydies on August 07, 2021, 08:39:17 PM
    I'm not sure what the point of the discussion about Varg is. Is the list to create a list of "RPG Creators I Agree With" or is the point of the list "RPG Creators Who Don't Parrot Ruling Class Propaganda In Their Works"?
    My understanding was it was a list of "RPG Creators Who Don't Parrot Propaganda In Their Works".  I don't think it is limited to your definition of "ruling class."  In which case Varg should go up in red.  Next.

    Woke is a distinct phenomenon, and it has to be treated differently because it's the prevailing orthodox position. If you are saying something or creating a product that contradicts Woke ideology, you're putting your neck on the line. Creating a non-Woke product can get you hounded by an activist mob, and you're risking that your book won't be carried by major storefronts, won't be accepted by book printers, that your payment processor will decline to process transactions, and worse.

    That's a big difference from whether a given product has a particular agenda or ideology behind it. Lots of games have specific perspectives that I don't agree with, but only Woke has any practical impact on my ability to game in the way that I please.

    Well said.  That really is the heart of the matter for me: it is a reverse bait and switch to give the illusion of accommodating openness and creativity, while it is mandating and stifling other perspectives, and if those do not supplicate and publicly state the supposed errors of their ways, strive to cancel them socially with the attempt to ruin them financially.

    Woke is a very autocratic ideology indeed and those that follow it cannot tolerate differing opinions from  theirs in the hobby.  Even those who are neutral or indifferent are pressured to support their ideals: that in my opinion is one of their worst characteristics.

    <addendum>
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: ThatChrisGuy on August 07, 2021, 11:20:56 PM
    Am I nuts or is some asshole actually defending Varg Vikernes?  What the everloving fuck is going on in this thread?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 08, 2021, 02:00:39 AM
    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman
    Black is beautiful. Black, black, black. Black people are good, innocent, and wonderful. Everything black people think and do is just great. All you non-black people should just get used to the idea of being on your knees and worshipping BLACK KINGS AND BLACK QUEENS!

    It is the woke dream to be slaves to the black masters. Welcome to the new, glorious age! ;D

    Thankfully, one can get away from this by playing MYFAROG. There, blacks (sorry, "darklings") are properly statted out -- like this:

    (https://darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/theory/race/myfarog-race-table.png)

    But according to Merrill, Varg says that it's not racist, so it must be so.

    When this issue of Darklings being black people came up, Varg released a video stating that these are fantasy races --they have things like fangs, and are not analogues to human beings

    I don't have the game in front of me, but I also recall some group of swarthy nomadic pirate-types. They weren't "evil" in any essential way, just a bit untrustworthy and alien. Perhaps Gypsy-like.

    AD&D has black-skinned Drow and Orcs --but they get a pass here? None of these fantasy races are African people, nor have they ever been.

    Now if Varg came right out and said his game was some allegory of the struggle of Swedes against the savages of our planet, or made a bunch of cryptic statements that connected Africans to mongrels, etc. that would be a different story altogether.

    In short,the designer says his game is inspired by other RPGs released in the previous decades and it is all fantasy. I don't need my games to be sanitized by leftist activists, or submitted to "sensitivity readers" to mke sure I am protected.

    MYFAROG isn't even edgy at all. LotFP is way darker and edgier, and games from a while back, like Necroscope, were really disturbing and for mature audiences.

    Darkling, Weakling, Foreigner, Native... From a guy that at the very least was a Neo-Nazi... Not sure I'm going to trust him on anything he says.

    OK, I actually had to go back a couple editions (the new ones don't use the above species and table) to find this. And on page 5 of MYFAROG 2.4 it says:

    "Darklings and Weaklines are the names of the only known races of the swarthy and cruel Arbi species ...they have fang-like teeth"

    so like Varg says in his video, these are NOT humans --they are like orcs or goblins

    the Foreigners are human traders or merchants from some distant land --they are not described as criminal, animals, whatever. Sure, they don't get the bonuses the elves and God fathered get, but they are like common humans in D&D, aka not heroes.

    The Darklings and Weaklings get penalties to some stats because they are not suited to live in the arctic climate where the game takes place

    So if you are reading between the lines here and see black people, that is on you bro. I never thought that quite frankly

    This is complete bullshit. The kopparmen are obviously other races. The coverage of it in later editions in an attempt to FOOL idiots or give cover to fellow nazis (which are you, Merrill, an idiot or a Nazi?) doesn't change that.

    The game itself is based on the MADE-UP PROTO-NAZI "thulean" fantasy of the make-believe Aryan Supercivilization.

    Nothing wrong with playing a game based around the Aryan myth though.

    Well, to a certain degree, there is.
    The Aryan myth is not some ancient myth. It was invented in the second half of the 19th century by people with the express interest in presenting a vile ideology of racial supremacy. The Arianosophists were the direct ancestors of the esoteric elements of Nazism.

    The idea that this game is a 'serious historical setting' is nonsense, and the idea that this is a setting based on 'traditional myth and legend' is a blatant lie.

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 08, 2021, 02:01:39 AM
    As far as the Mork Borg OGL anti-racism clause goes, that seems to be a pre-emptive defensive measure to keep Varg Vikernes away.

    Shit I dont know how I didn't put two and two together than Varg Vikinges was the guy from Mayhem who murdered someone which is the same guy who wrote MyFarog. Though I hear from some people who have played MyFarog that it's not what it was made out to be. Last I heard he moved on from that life, but it's not like i was following his life story very closely. Unfortunately he's been yeeted from all the major social media and streaming platforms so it is difficult to tell what has actually become of him if he is truly reformed.

    What is the consensus here?

    He's a literal Nazi. It's part of why even though I spend a considerable amount of time fighting him and his fans, the SJWs always try to include him in a list of people who are the furthest thing from nazis but that they want to smear.

    Varg made some claim like 20 years ago that he supported Naziism.

    He has since completely backed off that and changed his outlook. I haven't seen anything remotely "Nazi" from him, and he has said that MYFAROG is not racist.

    Back in the day he wanted to be this heavy metal edge lord --that is what it was like in Europe in he late 80s and early 90s. The metal heads all tried to shock the public through devil worship, swastikas, etc. it was all an act.

    but Varg continues to be this boogeyman


    Varg continues to espouse racist ideology loudly and openly you absolute dimbulb. And he didn't "make a claim". He made a series of racist statements, elaborated on them, has written two books of racist propaganda, and continues to tweet stuff like this:

    (https://img.fae.ro/bd81cb.png)

    (https://img.fae.ro/ea8079.png)

    (https://img.fae.ro/4a78a3.png)

    God damn you are dumb.

    it's nice you found time to dig through Varg''s Twitter history to find evidence of racism. I am not even on Twitter, and I actually have a life, so ...

    I don't need to defend Varg --if you think the game is RaCIst! Then don't play it. I am only telling you what he himself said about his game, that it wasn't.

    But on a side note, do you think Jews, who call themselves God's Chosen People, refer to other races and groups as Goyim, black people as "Schwarze", and operate an ethnostate in Israel with nice big walls and camps for people who get out-of-line, are racist?

    Banned for anti-semitism.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Pat on August 08, 2021, 08:20:58 AM
    Am I nuts or is some asshole actually defending Varg Vikernes?  What the everloving fuck is going on in this thread?
    I'm finding it useful. I'm not familiar with Vikernes or Myfarog except from memes, and my knowledge of Nazi mysticism ends with the Indiana Jones movies. But I'm very familiar with how deplorably common it's become to call people Nazis on the internet and how often imaginary dogwhistles are used to call people racists, without any justification whatsoever. So the posters like the Pundit who are pointing out specific passages and drawing a clear connection between them and Nazi mythology, or Tubesock providing caps of specific racist tweets, are providing a very useful service.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 08, 2021, 08:57:52 AM
    Yeah it’s getting a bit off topic with him. Might just not include him on the list. Really I was just trying to make the list as complete as reasonably possible.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Semaj Khan on August 08, 2021, 11:41:08 AM
    Banned for anti-semitism.

    Thank you.

    To quote e e cummings: "there is some shit I will not eat."
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 08, 2021, 11:51:34 AM
    On the upside I think I managed to get rid of the unknown category for now, I think i covered a lot of the major players but there is always room for expansion. Might put them in some kind of order if I have the time but for now a ctrl + F should suffice.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: oggsmash on August 08, 2021, 12:12:53 PM
      A question about the Reaper miniatures thing (firing someone for criticizing antifa), did they fire the person for making politically tinged posts, or was it specifically for "taking the wrong side?" 

      I could COMPLETELY understand people getting fired for pulling politics into business, of any flavor.  I do not so much understand only firing people for "wrong politics".
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2021, 01:03:32 PM
    But on a side note, do you think Jews, who call themselves God's Chosen People, refer to other races and groups as Goyim, black people as "Schwarze", and operate an ethnostate in Israel with nice big walls and camps for people who get out-of-line, are racist?

    Banned for anti-semitism.

    It's almost amusing how, once you let them talk for a while, the anti-semites can't help but out themselves.  It's like they were vegan, or into Crossfit...
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Jason Coplen on August 08, 2021, 01:36:27 PM
    Thanks for the ban against that creep. I was tired of reading pages and pages of his tripe. What's next, someone will come in and waste our time going on and on about how Sauron was the good guy, admittedly that would be a funner read.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 01:39:40 PM
    But on a side note, do you think Jews, who call themselves God's Chosen People, refer to other races and groups as Goyim, black people as "Schwarze", and operate an ethnostate in Israel with nice big walls and camps for people who get out-of-line, are racist?

    Banned for anti-semitism.

    It's almost amusing how, once you let them talk for a while, the anti-semites can't help but out themselves.  It's like they were vegan, or into Crossfit...

    So much for the anti-woke crowd. Expressing a negative or critical view of Israel or Jews is totally nazi and has to be banned. Maybe it was off-topic, but What is the difference between this and the people who ban others for posting statistics or scientific facts on account of them being "racist"? This literally banning out of political correctness; the guy didn't advocate for genocide, ethnic cleansing or discrimination.
       
    Inb4 "nazi fascist antisemitic bigot!!!!"

    Why can't we just have a society in which people speak their minds and we let everyone decide for themselves and sort themselves out instead of having a group of chosen few moderators who totally know what's right for us and know what opinions have to be purged? I know it's a private forum, but you get the point.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2021, 02:19:43 PM
    But on a side note, do you think Jews, who call themselves God's Chosen People, refer to other races and groups as Goyim, black people as "Schwarze", and operate an ethnostate in Israel with nice big walls and camps for people who get out-of-line, are racist?

    Banned for anti-semitism.

    It's almost amusing how, once you let them talk for a while, the anti-semites can't help but out themselves.  It's like they were vegan, or into Crossfit...

    So much for the anti-woke crowd. Expressing a negative or critical view of Israel or Jews is totally nazi and has to be banned. Maybe it was off-topic, but What is the difference between this and the people who ban others for posting statistics or scientific facts on account of them being "racist"? This literally banning out of political correctness; the guy didn't advocate for genocide, ethnic cleansing or discrimination.
       
    Inb4 "nazi fascist antisemitic bigot!!!!"

    Why can't we just have a society in which people speak their minds and we let everyone decide for themselves and sort themselves out instead of having a group of chosen few moderators who totally know what's right for us and know what opinions have to be purged? I know it's a private forum, but you get the point.
    Well, I can't speak for Pundit, but I can tell you, as an advocate for individualism, I have no problem discussing the issues with individual people and their actions.  But collective guilt, collective hatred, or collective discrimination are neither valid arguments, nor productive.  They assert things not proven (that a person is guilty of X because of their race), and then attempt to denigrate all members of that group based on that.  They never lead to actual discussion, because bigots of that nature are never willing to listen.  Do you honestly think that Merrill would have been open to being convinced that his anti-semetic prejudice was incorrect?  That isn't discussion; it's a lecture (from a bigot).  So it has no value on this forum.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 03:01:11 PM
    Well, I can't speak for Pundit, but I can tell you, as an advocate for individualism, I have no problem discussing the issues with individual people and their actions.  But collective guilt, collective hatred, or collective discrimination are neither valid arguments, nor productive.  They assert things not proven (that a person is guilty of X because of their race), and then attempt to denigrate all members of that group based on that.  They never lead to actual discussion, because bigots of that nature are never willing to listen.  Do you honestly think that Merrill would have been open to being convinced that his anti-semetic prejudice was incorrect?  That isn't discussion; it's a lecture (from a bigot).  So it has no value on this forum.

    Individualism is not isolationism. It does not exclude group behavior, cultural baggage, demographic trends, etc. Every person is an individual but they belong to a certain group due to their upbringing and this does have an effect on their outlook in life. Far from being smothering collectivism, belonging to a community is a natural part of being a human being (and just in case, it does not justify taking away your individual rights for the "greater good").

    Go to Israel, if you don't believe me, and see what the prevailing attitude is towards christians. There are exceptions, sure. But there are also rules which societies tend to follow, and Israel, as a country, has a very strong anti-christian sentiment.

    This is a major problem with individualists and libertarians; both ideas to which I strongly adhere, btw. They can't bring themselves to admit that group trends do exist and that tribalism and group-think is natural to people. To some of us, it's impossible to admit the existence of groups, cultures, civilizations and societies; apparently doing so means that you justify ideologies like "greater good" and lack of individuality. We must break from our own dogmas and see the blatant facts.

    Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

    This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own. Other groups do see race and realize that white people are a culture on their own, rather than the "standard" or the "vanilla", base, neutral culture everybody is meant to assimilate. While Whites have been told to think in terms of individuals, other groups were taught to have allegiance to their people, and you're seeing the results.

    That being said, banning people for not being individualists sounds very collectivist to me.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Tubesock Army on August 08, 2021, 03:49:30 PM
    Ah, yes, the nazis, those paragons of individualist thought...

    Won't someone please think of the nazis.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 04:09:07 PM
    https://www.metalsucks.net/2015/08/21/advanced-discrimination-dragons-critical-look-varg-vikernes-myfarog-rpg/

    I just read the article about how "racist" Myfarog is. The person who wrote it is a woke idiot.

    Quote
    Dude even has his own system of measurement. You can fight, go on quests, attend festivals, get married, create a home, have kids (although the mother might die in childbirth; women are frail things in the world of Thule), then have your character’s child replace him as your player character. Why you would want to play this disaster for that long, I don’t know, but you need a pretty hefty rule set for a world as complex as that.

    See? This idiot doesn't even understand that some people like a gritty, "mudcore" aspect to their game. Death in childbirth is apparently sexist.
    Quote
    Set in the antediluvian land of Thule, a repository for a bunch of generic fantasy tropes filtered through Vikernes’ own Norse-centric historical revisionism, this isn’t that far off from Dungeons & Dragons or Conan the Barbarian – only so racist it would make Conan creator Robert E Howard himself seem enlightened.

    So what? Since when are "generic" fantasy settings bad? Far from being generic, it's not a common setting.

    And the Robert E. Howard comment... give me a break. I don't blame him for being "racist" (assuming he was, which is likely but not too overt in his works). That was the common denominator of all mankind until the past few decades of indoctrination.

    I don't blame him for getting a bad impression of Africans in the 1930's. Politically-correct invidualism and wokeism demand that we ignore reality to adhere to a dogma in which every culture, every lifestyle and every people is just the same in spite of blatant differences. Africa was mostly undeveloped while Europe was in the Industrial Age. I don't blame Europeans for seeing them as less civilized or simply less desirable. Just as I don't blame the Japanese for seeing Westerners as "long-nosed barbarians" or the Arabs thinking the Africans were practically subhuman.

    Quote
    And hey, maybe you’ll think this has a great world to play in. But if you do, guess what? You’re a Nazi. A literal Nazi.

    Nobles are naturally superior to the peasantry in this world.
    Everybody qualifies as a "nazi" for these people. Most people throughout history held politically incorrect views. Slavery, submission of women, authoritarianism, nobility, etc. Only in the mindset of a 21st century democrat are these things completely unacceptable. They can only play in medieval setting in which transqueerfolk can have their safe space.

    Quote
    There is an entire page with his versions of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism – you know what? I’m not even religious and I can’t even bring myself to write a summary of it.
    Then they get upset about criticisms of christianity... Well after years of media telling you the church burned people for no reason and "oppressed" the peaceful tribes of hippies who commit human sacrifice every once in a while, how can you complain about criticisms of christianity?

    Quote
    one of the suggested quest ideas is literally ethnic cleansing:

    Here's the ethnic cleansing hes talking about

    (https://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/IMG_1634-e1438465580337-620x827.jpg)

    Quote
    To his credit, Varg does consider women to be human. He allows them to be as good at hunting rabbits as men (although they have to leave the bigger game to their stronger male counterparts). Women can even go to war! In fact, there’s an entire race where the men see women as equals and allow them to fight alongside them in battle. Unfortunately, that means that the race has fewer females because, and I quote, “the women die sooner than the men, because they are physically weaker than the men.” So, you know.

    omg biology is oppressing me

    Quote
    Obviously, you shouldn’t buy this book. But if you really want to kick this clown in the balls, go make a donation in his name to a worthy charity like the Shoah Foundation or the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    No words here.


    Anyway, fuck Vikernes. He's an arsonist, murderer, mentally ill-pagan LARPer and probably thinks nords are better than everybody else. And his music is not really good either
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Semaj Khan on August 08, 2021, 04:19:05 PM
    Christ in a Camaro... I hang on this board to talk about RPGs... not if some fuckwit actually qualifies as a bona fide Nazi or just a LARP-head.

    As to the Anti-Semitic remarks made above by our dear departed poster: that statement was deliberately calculated to provoke reactions at the least, and at the most to inject Jew baiting into our discussion. Pundit did the right thing; that sort of shit has no place in any adult's definition of intelligent discussion. I don't like the SJWs either, but there's a goddamned line.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2021, 04:45:46 PM
    Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

    This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own.
    Before your inevitable exit from here, I will point out to you that culture (such as mine: traditional individualist American) has nothing to do with race.  Far from failing, the idea of a nation where any person can be a part (regardless of race) has proven to be the foundation of the greatest nation ever, responsible for more advancement in living conditions than any other in world history.  It is the tribalists (be they based on race, geography, etc.) that consistently fail to product societies worth living in.  The American ideal, while an offshoot of Western Protestant Liberalism, requires nothing except a commitment to its principles and the corresponding behaviors.  It is open to everyone.  That makes it absolutely superior to any "collective" based on race or tribe.  You should free yourself of your misguided anger and embrace the reality: the only thing that matters is what you believe and how you live.  Everything else is superficial.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ghostmaker on August 08, 2021, 04:47:09 PM
    Thanks for the ban against that creep. I was tired of reading pages and pages of his tripe. What's next, someone will come in and waste our time going on and on about how Sauron was the good guy, admittedly that would be a funner read.
    Someone never read The Last Ringbearer (although that was more of a parody/deconstruction).
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: SHARK on August 08, 2021, 05:31:19 PM
    Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

    This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own.
    Before your inevitable exit from here, I will point out to you that culture (such as mine: traditional individualist American) has nothing to do with race.  Far from failing, the idea of a nation where any person can be a part (regardless of race) has proven to be the foundation of the greatest nation ever, responsible for more advancement in living conditions than any other in world history.  It is the tribalists (be they based on race, geography, etc.) that consistently fail to product societies worth living in.  The American ideal, while an offshoot of Western Protestant Liberalism, requires nothing except a commitment to its principles and the corresponding behaviors.  It is open to everyone.  That makes it absolutely superior to any "collective" based on race or tribe.  You should free yourself of your misguided anger and embrace the reality: the only thing that matters is what you believe and how you live.  Everything else is superficial.

    Greetings!

    *SALUTE* my friend.





    Semper Fidelis,

    SHARK
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 06:13:20 PM
    Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

    This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own.
    Before your inevitable exit from here, I will point out to you that culture (such as mine: traditional individualist American) has nothing to do with race.  Far from failing, the idea of a nation where any person can be a part (regardless of race) has proven to be the foundation of the greatest nation ever, responsible for more advancement in living conditions than any other in world history.  It is the tribalists (be they based on race, geography, etc.) that consistently fail to product societies worth living in.  The American ideal, while an offshoot of Western Protestant Liberalism, requires nothing except a commitment to its principles and the corresponding behaviors.  It is open to everyone.  That makes it absolutely superior to any "collective" based on race or tribe.  You should free yourself of your misguided anger and embrace the reality: the only thing that matters is what you believe and how you live.  Everything else is superficial.

    I was told by another user to just leave it here and I agreed, but after this response I couldn't stay silent.

    You have more diversity now than ever. How's that working out for America? Do you think all the people who migrate to America have the same western, individualist, protestant-ethics, by-your-bootstraps mindset? Far from being a cohesive society, you have plenty of sub-groups with different sub-cultures; an example is "Black people/White people things/music". Maybe in the South they'll honor the memory of people like Stonewall Jackson or General Lee, but African Americans, just as Americans as they are, may want to tear down their statues because to them they were their enslavers. Others, like Asians, may be more neutral and have no feeling either way. That is why you have lots of Black people interested in Black history (which is totally natural), while White Americans have to venerate MLK and Harriet Tubman because their heroes became unacceptable; Christopher Columbus, Lewis and Clarke, General Lee, the Founding Fathers.

    Diversity has always been a cause for division, disunity, distrust, "flight" & gentrification, riots, discrimination; you name it. Give people a chance and they'll naturally flock to "their own"; that's how you end up with lots of hyphenated Americans, reservations, historically-black colleges, ethnic christian congregations, white flight, interracial crime, and, inevitably, identity politics once the demographic make-up of your society becomes diverse enough. Need I mention voting patterns? Politicians know exactly that groups like Blacks or Asians tend to vote democrat while Whites tend to vote Reopublican and use it to their advantage; which proves my point; demographic trends are real, but dogmatism is blinding people to that fact.

    To this day, America is still spending millions in affirmative action, diversity quotas, diversifying suburbs (which is obviously gerrymandering) and other such programs to "fix" society and "fix the inequalities" that can only be attributed to racism. Meanwhile, the same "racist" white supremacist system is giving Asians a statistical advantage even over their "oppressors".

    I don't know why pointing this out would be "anger" or "hatred". Don't put words in my mouth. Not once have I advocated for discrimination, ethnic cleansing or anything of that sort. I just stated a basic fact of life; people don't tend to see past race, and certainly America hasn't been the exception. Let me be crystal clear: I advocate for natural, voluntary, spontaneous association as opposed to enforced diversity in hopes of a utopia which will probably never come.

    If my "inevitable exit" thrills you then that speaks volumes of you, not me. I wouldn't mind getting "exitted" from a place in which they ban people based on political correctness or assumptions about their opinions. If I wanted that I'd go to RPG net or reddit, they do that very often.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: JeffB on August 08, 2021, 06:23:28 PM
    Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

    This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own.
    Before your inevitable exit from here, I will point out to you that culture (such as mine: traditional individualist American) has nothing to do with race.  Far from failing, the idea of a nation where any person can be a part (regardless of race) has proven to be the foundation of the greatest nation ever, responsible for more advancement in living conditions than any other in world history.  It is the tribalists (be they based on race, geography, etc.) that consistently fail to product societies worth living in.  The American ideal, while an offshoot of Western Protestant Liberalism, requires nothing except a commitment to its principles and the corresponding behaviors.  It is open to everyone.  That makes it absolutely superior to any "collective" based on race or tribe.  You should free yourself of your misguided anger and embrace the reality: the only thing that matters is what you believe and how you live.  Everything else is superficial.

    Amen!
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 08, 2021, 07:07:36 PM
    Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

    This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own.
    Before your inevitable exit from here, I will point out to you that culture (such as mine: traditional individualist American) has nothing to do with race.  Far from failing, the idea of a nation where any person can be a part (regardless of race) has proven to be the foundation of the greatest nation ever, responsible for more advancement in living conditions than any other in world history.  It is the tribalists (be they based on race, geography, etc.) that consistently fail to product societies worth living in.  The American ideal, while an offshoot of Western Protestant Liberalism, requires nothing except a commitment to its principles and the corresponding behaviors.  It is open to everyone.  That makes it absolutely superior to any "collective" based on race or tribe.  You should free yourself of your misguided anger and embrace the reality: the only thing that matters is what you believe and how you live.  Everything else is superficial.

    I'd have to strongly disagree with you, here. Culture and race are very closely linked. You can always find examples to the contrary, but, in general, culture and race -- very closely linked. I don't see how anyone can even argue that. I am in Canada, not America, but the same thing applies. To take one example, you have second-generation Indians who are still very Indian. They take whatever can benefit them from the white people's system, but still favour their own group, give breaks to their own group, hire their own group, marry their own group, and vote for Indian politicians. They demand the right to wear turbans in the police force (rather than the customary RCMP hat) or on motorcycles (rather than helmets). These people are not interested in assimilating or integrating. They do not see past race, at all. They keep their culture, religion, and in-group preferences when it counts. I think a lot of white people have never experienced so-called reverse racism (which is actually just racism) or discrimination for being white, or they were too dumb to know what was happening. A smile and a kind word to your face, but disdain and sneakiness behind your back. Dumb white leftist baizuo. So gullible.

    But this is getting a bit off topic -- my apologies.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Jason Coplen on August 08, 2021, 08:14:37 PM
    Thanks for the ban against that creep. I was tired of reading pages and pages of his tripe. What's next, someone will come in and waste our time going on and on about how Sauron was the good guy, admittedly that would be a funner read.
    Someone never read The Last Ringbearer (although that was more of a parody/deconstruction).
    I have not, good sir. Is it worth my time?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ghostmaker on August 08, 2021, 08:24:23 PM
    Thanks for the ban against that creep. I was tired of reading pages and pages of his tripe. What's next, someone will come in and waste our time going on and on about how Sauron was the good guy, admittedly that would be a funner read.
    Someone never read The Last Ringbearer (although that was more of a parody/deconstruction).
    I have not, good sir. Is it worth my time?
    It's interesting. The idea is that the Lord of the Rings is 'history written by the victors' and that the reality of the conflict was... far less black and white.

    Because there were legal issues involving Tolkien's estate (and I find them ironic in light of how the current holders are shitting things up) it was never commercially published in English. A translation can be downloaded from here. https://ymarkov.livejournal.com/280578.html
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 08, 2021, 09:27:56 PM
    But on a side note, do you think Jews, who call themselves God's Chosen People, refer to other races and groups as Goyim, black people as "Schwarze", and operate an ethnostate in Israel with nice big walls and camps for people who get out-of-line, are racist?

    Banned for anti-semitism.

    It's almost amusing how, once you let them talk for a while, the anti-semites can't help but out themselves.  It's like they were vegan, or into Crossfit...

    So much for the anti-woke crowd. Expressing a negative or critical view of Israel or Jews is totally nazi and has to be banned. Maybe it was off-topic, but What is the difference between this and the people who ban others for posting statistics or scientific facts on account of them being "racist"? This literally banning out of political correctness; the guy didn't advocate for genocide, ethnic cleansing or discrimination.
       
    Inb4 "nazi fascist antisemitic bigot!!!!"

    Why can't we just have a society in which people speak their minds and we let everyone decide for themselves and sort themselves out instead of having a group of chosen few moderators who totally know what's right for us and know what opinions have to be purged? I know it's a private forum, but you get the point.

    Claiming that "Jews" (as in collectively) are bigoted and also suggesting that 'Jews are the real nazis' is a directly racist statement against an entire people. These claims aren't statistics, they're not even true or viable opinions.

    This isn't an invitation for you to derail this thread by responding to me, and definitely not an invitation for you to share your opinions about the Jewish people. It's just to make clear to you: open anti-semites will be banned here. If you don't like that, leave.

    (edited to add: making specific statements about specific Israeli government policies, so long as those statements are truthful, is of course allowed. So is criticizing individual Jews for things they've actually said or done)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 08, 2021, 09:33:17 PM
    Well, I can't speak for Pundit, but I can tell you, as an advocate for individualism, I have no problem discussing the issues with individual people and their actions.  But collective guilt, collective hatred, or collective discrimination are neither valid arguments, nor productive.  They assert things not proven (that a person is guilty of X because of their race), and then attempt to denigrate all members of that group based on that.  They never lead to actual discussion, because bigots of that nature are never willing to listen.  Do you honestly think that Merrill would have been open to being convinced that his anti-semetic prejudice was incorrect?  That isn't discussion; it's a lecture (from a bigot).  So it has no value on this forum.

    Individualism is not isolationism. It does not exclude group behavior, cultural baggage, demographic trends, etc. Every person is an individual but they belong to a certain group due to their upbringing and this does have an effect on their outlook in life. Far from being smothering collectivism, belonging to a community is a natural part of being a human being (and just in case, it does not justify taking away your individual rights for the "greater good").

    Go to Israel, if you don't believe me, and see what the prevailing attitude is towards christians. There are exceptions, sure. But there are also rules which societies tend to follow, and Israel, as a country, has a very strong anti-christian sentiment.

    This is a major problem with individualists and libertarians; both ideas to which I strongly adhere, btw. They can't bring themselves to admit that group trends do exist and that tribalism and group-think is natural to people. To some of us, it's impossible to admit the existence of groups, cultures, civilizations and societies; apparently doing so means that you justify ideologies like "greater good" and lack of individuality. We must break from our own dogmas and see the blatant facts.

    Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

    This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own. Other groups do see race and realize that white people are a culture on their own, rather than the "standard" or the "vanilla", base, neutral culture everybody is meant to assimilate. While Whites have been told to think in terms of individuals, other groups were taught to have allegiance to their people, and you're seeing the results.

    That being said, banning people for not being individualists sounds very collectivist to me.

    I know a lot of Jewish people, both Israelis and Jews who've never stepped foot in Israel and in between. While I'm sure there are Jewish people who could have justified or unjustified issues or resentment against Christians, I've never yet met a single one who has.

    In addition to posting anti-semitic statements, another (more common) bannable offence is posting off-topic in the gaming forum.  So this is a warning: stop posting about this here, or any other off-topic deviations from the subject of gaming in any thread in the roleplaying forum, or you will be banned.

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 08, 2021, 09:42:20 PM
    Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

    This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own.
    Before your inevitable exit from here, I will point out to you that culture (such as mine: traditional individualist American) has nothing to do with race.  Far from failing, the idea of a nation where any person can be a part (regardless of race) has proven to be the foundation of the greatest nation ever, responsible for more advancement in living conditions than any other in world history.  It is the tribalists (be they based on race, geography, etc.) that consistently fail to product societies worth living in.  The American ideal, while an offshoot of Western Protestant Liberalism, requires nothing except a commitment to its principles and the corresponding behaviors.  It is open to everyone.  That makes it absolutely superior to any "collective" based on race or tribe.  You should free yourself of your misguided anger and embrace the reality: the only thing that matters is what you believe and how you live.  Everything else is superficial.

    I'd have to strongly disagree with you, here. Culture and race are very closely linked. You can always find examples to the contrary, but, in general, culture and race -- very closely linked. I don't see how anyone can even argue that. I am in Canada, not America, but the same thing applies. To take one example, you have second-generation Indians who are still very Indian. They take whatever can benefit them from the white people's system, but still favour their own group, give breaks to their own group, hire their own group, marry their own group, and vote for Indian politicians. They demand the right to wear turbans in the police force (rather than the customary RCMP hat) or on motorcycles (rather than helmets). These people are not interested in assimilating or integrating. They do not see past race, at all. They keep their culture, religion, and in-group preferences when it counts. I think a lot of white people have never experienced so-called reverse racism (which is actually just racism) or discrimination for being white, or they were too dumb to know what was happening. A smile and a kind word to your face, but disdain and sneakiness behind your back. Dumb white leftist baizuo. So gullible.

    But this is getting a bit off topic -- my apologies.

    This is more than a bit off-topic, it is extremely off topic, and it's clear you know that. Consider this a warning.

    (also, having spent a considerable time among Indians, Hindu and Sikh mostly, in Canada and abroad, most of the ones I knew were extremely pro-Canada, and culturally very anglophile, tending to hold strongly to admiration for British institutions and traditions in spite of any of the bad aspects of imperialism; and incidentally, non-Muslim Indians in the Anglosphere tend to vote Conservative)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 08, 2021, 09:45:19 PM
    Now I'm issuing a general warning.

    While it's pretty clear that the derailing here was mostly done by, let's call them "people with a strong admiration for racial-nationalism", the woke leftists couldn't have done a better job if they'd been the ones to try infiltrating and stopping this thread.

    So, because I think this thread is of value, from here on anyone who posts ANYTHING off topic on this thread will be banned. So if it hasn't got to do with gaming; whether its about your opinions on Israel, Lord of the Rings or anything, you will be banned for it.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Korgoth on August 09, 2021, 01:01:50 PM
    I'm curious if there are any good specific examples of cubicle 7 being a red level of wokeness. Just looking at the end products they've been putting out, I can only think of one example that I've noticed. In my opinion they would be better placed in the Yellow tier.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 09, 2021, 01:40:55 PM
    Let me see if i can find anything but you might be right, it's hard to put them on the same level as the other companies under red. Far as I can tell they check all the diversity checkboxes. The art in the new warhammer fantasy roleplay and in wrath and glory reflect this. We have all sorts of weird out of place things, and their community managers all have pronouns in the bio and rainbow flags etc. But then again I havnt really seen the levels of doxxing and harassment ive seen from the others so yellow maybe bordering on red?

    Anyone else have any info?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Korgoth on August 09, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
    As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

    The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

    In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 09, 2021, 02:36:24 PM
    ...The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

    In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

    This should be a capitol offense, lol. I can't seem to find anything worse than that though, it might pop up but it looks like they have fully embraced all the post modernist nonsense but haven't actually attacked anyone yet. really wanted to make em red for this viewpoint alone, but I can move em to yellow for now. I own a legit copy of the pdf for whfrp4 but i managed to also track down one where someone replaced all the art with non sjw art. It was glorious, now we just need to bring back the Fimir in their original glory.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Torque2100 on August 09, 2021, 02:39:01 PM
    As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

    The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

    In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

    I wouldn't call them "fully" Woke but they are absolutely Hyper-Corporate to the extreme.  More so even than WotC if you can believe it.  GW's Managment are the worst kind of terminally Mediocre Corporatists.  All they know how to do is acquire and chase trends.

    I would put them in the Red category just for that reason. I know that I personally am never going to give GW another cent of my money for entirely unrelated reasons: their attempt to strongarm creators into joining a Streaming platform.

    You read that right, a Warhammer-Themed Streaming Platform.   They have since decided to ban fan animations of their IP unless hosted on this platform where they have all the control.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Korgoth on August 09, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
    As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

    The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

    In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

    I wouldn't call them "fully" Woke but they are absolutely Hyper-Corporate to the extreme.  More so even than WotC if you can believe it.  GW's Managment are the worst kind of terminally Mediocre Corporatists.  All they know how to do is acquire and chase trends.

    I would put them in the Red category just for that reason. I know that I personally am never going to give GW another cent of my money for entirely unrelated reasons: their attempt to strongarm creators into joining a Streaming platform.

    You read that right, a Warhammer-Themed Streaming Platform.   They have since decided to ban fan animations of their IP unless hosted on this platform where they have all the control.

    I'm asking about Cubicle 7 not Games Workshop though. Cubicle 7 licensed Warhammer but they also release other games, so if for example their Dr. Who or Lord of the Rings games were super woke you could use that as evidence also.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 03:30:04 PM
    As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

    The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

    In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

    Please tell me you're kidding.

    I saw the writing on the wall several years ago when the new mascot (on the cover of the corebook and the stand-up, life-sized cardboard model in stores) for Age of Sigmar was a punk-looking strong woman with a coloured mohawk and tats. Stopped playing at that point.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 09, 2021, 03:32:53 PM
    As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

    The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

    In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

    Please tell me you're kidding.

    I saw the writing on the wall several years ago when the new mascot (on the cover of the corebook and the stand-up, life-sized cardboard model in stores) for Age of Sigmar was a punk-looking strong woman with a coloured mohawk and tats. Stopped playing at that point.
    The Stormcasr Eternal in golden armour? It bothered you that much? Off you go to your safe space then.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 03:40:55 PM
    The new starter set has a mandatory female leader and a gender quota.

    What a joke.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Korgoth on August 09, 2021, 03:53:15 PM
    The new starter set has a mandatory female leader and a gender quota.

    What a joke.

    It has a female stormcast, but not as a mandatory leader and tbh I don't really think having 2 female characters is super woke.

    For example here is the image that you found super woke but tbh it just seems to fit with a pseudo valkyrie to me.
    https://www.customeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/60040299070_AoSCoreRulebook01.jpg (https://www.customeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/60040299070_AoSCoreRulebook01.jpg)

    For me wokeness is making the Dwarf a they/them. The most crazy example of wokeness I've seen was from Evil Hat in their Dominion of unity book but that is another story.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 04:02:05 PM
    The new starter set has a mandatory female leader and a gender quota.

    What a joke.

    It has a female stormcast, but not as a mandatory leader and tbh I don't really think having 2 female characters is super woke.

    For example here is the image that you found super woke but tbh it just seems to fit with a pseudo valkyrie to me.
    https://www.customeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/60040299070_AoSCoreRulebook01.jpg (https://www.customeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/60040299070_AoSCoreRulebook01.jpg)

    For me wokeness is making the Dwarf a they/them. The most crazy example of wokeness I've seen was from Evil Hat in their Dominion of unity book but that is another story.

    This one.

    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Age-Of-Sigmar-Warrior-English-2021

    Man, those pronouns are brutal. Unbelievable.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Korgoth on August 09, 2021, 06:19:04 PM
    The new starter set has a mandatory female leader and a gender quota.

    What a joke.

    It has a female stormcast, but not as a mandatory leader and tbh I don't really think having 2 female characters is super woke.

    For example here is the image that you found super woke but tbh it just seems to fit with a pseudo valkyrie to me.
    https://www.customeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/60040299070_AoSCoreRulebook01.jpg (https://www.customeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/60040299070_AoSCoreRulebook01.jpg)

    For me wokeness is making the Dwarf a they/them. The most crazy example of wokeness I've seen was from Evil Hat in their Dominion of unity book but that is another story.

    This one.

    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Age-Of-Sigmar-Warrior-English-2021

    Man, those pronouns are brutal. Unbelievable.

    The model has a 2nd head if you want the model to be helmeted instead.

    https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60010299026_DominionSprue9.jpg (https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60010299026_DominionSprue9.jpg)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 07:30:41 PM
    Boob armour is unavoidable on the troops and the leader has the narrow waist of a woman.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Korgoth on August 09, 2021, 08:07:31 PM
    It's the same armour style as on the men, look at the dude in the back left.
    https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60010299029_EngAoSWarriorGroup01.jpg (https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60010299029_EngAoSWarriorGroup01.jpg)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 09, 2021, 09:50:11 PM
    Boob armour is unavoidable on the troops and the leader has the narrow waist of a woman.
    And this is a problem why? Newsflash: Stormcast Eternals are not a historical army and they don't have any males-only rules. If you can't handle a few modeled as female, crawl back into a safe space and pet your emotional support animal of choice.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 10, 2021, 12:54:24 AM
    It's the same armour style as on the men, look at the dude in the back left.
    https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60010299029_EngAoSWarriorGroup01.jpg (https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60010299029_EngAoSWarriorGroup01.jpg)

    Yes, the one on the front left has it more pronounced. Still, though, this is obviously a female model.

    If you use the 360-degree spinner for that model, you'll see that it is not the same as the male armour.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 10, 2021, 01:05:18 AM
    Boob armour is unavoidable on the troops and the leader has the narrow waist of a woman.
    And this is a problem why? Newsflash: Stormcast Eternals are not a historical army and they don't have any males-only rules. If you can't handle a few modeled as female, crawl back into a safe space and pet your emotional support animal of choice.

    Let me spell this out for you because you are either disingenuous or fucking stupid, having missed the entire point of the thread.

    The problem is not female models (I have an entire Sisters of Battle army, myself).

    The problem is the motive behind inserting them here in this instance.

    It's diversity/feminist-pandering. Female quota for the sake of quota.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Semaj Khan on August 10, 2021, 01:24:21 AM

    The problem is not female models (I have an entire Sisters of Battle army, myself).


     8)

    I too favor the Nuns With Guns.

    I like you.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: myleftnut on August 10, 2021, 03:31:33 AM
    Female Stormcast is a good move IMO.  The number of customers gained from women buying the models outweighs any potential loss of the dudes who have that much of a problem with it.  I assume anyway.  Who cares?  That’s not woke to me.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: palaeomerus on August 10, 2021, 06:08:51 AM
    Female Stormcast happened way back with Neave BlackTalon in the vanguard rangers and she was before the Soul Wars AoS 2nd edition came out, after the war of the gates and the Godbeasts thing and at the start of the Plague Wars where Nurgle was bothering the Sylvaneth so Sigmar made a bunch of Stormcast scouts and cavalry to act as a rapid reaction force and stay in theater. Not sure that makes much sense when they teleport in on lightning but whatever.

    (https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60010299012_BlightWarENG02.jpg)

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: HappyDaze on August 10, 2021, 07:30:41 AM
    Boob armour is unavoidable on the troops and the leader has the narrow waist of a woman.
    And this is a problem why? Newsflash: Stormcast Eternals are not a historical army and they don't have any males-only rules. If you can't handle a few modeled as female, crawl back into a safe space and pet your emotional support animal of choice.

    Let me spell this out for you because you are either disingenuous or fucking stupid, having missed the entire point of the thread.

    The problem is not female models (I have an entire Sisters of Battle army, myself).

    The problem is the motive behind inserting them here in this instance.

    It's diversity/feminist-pandering. Female quota for the sake of quota.
    Ok, any women in your little army figs is too much for you. Got it. You have issues, buddy, and I thank you for making them so obvious to all.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Godsmonkey on August 10, 2021, 08:15:26 AM
    Boob armour is unavoidable on the troops and the leader has the narrow waist of a woman.
    And this is a problem why? Newsflash: Stormcast Eternals are not a historical army and they don't have any males-only rules. If you can't handle a few modeled as female, crawl back into a safe space and pet your emotional support animal of choice.

    Let me spell this out for you because you are either disingenuous or fucking stupid, having missed the entire point of the thread.

    The problem is not female models (I have an entire Sisters of Battle army, myself).

    The problem is the motive behind inserting them here in this instance.

    It's diversity/feminist-pandering. Female quota for the sake of quota.

    Is it though?

    I know at my table for example, half the players are female. As a GM, I welcome any set of minis (Either premade, or, for me, 3D files to print myself) that has gender diversity.

    It's not a historically accurate army, it's fantasy. If it's pandering to recognize the need for female minis, especially since there are more women playing RPGs than ever before, then so be it.

    In my eyes, it's just good old capitalism; recognizing a market, and making a product people will buy.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 10, 2021, 11:55:49 AM
    Also someone mentioned earlier Gallant Knight Games threatening to punch someone in the face at a con, any links or or sources on that?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Slambo on August 10, 2021, 01:09:57 PM
    Kobold press should be in red. Their guide to gamemastering has s whole se tion on checking your privilege
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RandyB on August 10, 2021, 01:19:02 PM
    It can be tough to distinguish between True Believers in Woke and those who take on protective camouflage. The latter are a better fit for Yellow than Red where the distinction can be made.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 10, 2021, 01:45:45 PM
    Weird I can no longer modify the original post.
    Red


    I'll need to figure out a way or repost it when it is complete.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 10, 2021, 02:07:52 PM
    Updated List

    Green
    Not Woke or Indifferent

    Yellow
    Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke



    Red
    Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.



    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ghostmaker on August 10, 2021, 02:32:39 PM
    Paranoia is almost a special case in my opinion, since the game is heavily weighted AGAINST being fair.

    Having a 'don't be a dick' section in the GM manual doesn't strike me as excessive or wokeist. And honestly, it's less 'let's all be nice to each other' and more 'don't make it personal cause that's no fun'.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: oggsmash on August 10, 2021, 03:16:24 PM
    Also someone mentioned earlier Gallant Knight Games threatening to punch someone in the face at a con, any links or or sources on that?

       Threatening face to face, or said it on the twatter while at a con? 
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Habitual Gamer on August 10, 2021, 03:58:10 PM
    Paranoia is almost a special case in my opinion, since the game is heavily weighted AGAINST being fair.

    Having a 'don't be a dick' section in the GM manual doesn't strike me as excessive or wokeist. And honestly, it's less 'let's all be nice to each other' and more 'don't make it personal cause that's no fun'.

    +1

    I mean, I have problems with the new Paranoia, but if any game needs a section on helping GMs to not bully their players it's Paranoia.  Mainly because it'll tell GMs in the same breath "kill the bastards" as a session goal.  A good GM can walk that line.  A bad one... probably needs some help.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Habitual Gamer on August 10, 2021, 04:01:27 PM
    I know at my table for example, half the players are female. As a GM, I welcome any set of minis (Either premade, or, for me, 3D files to print myself) that has gender diversity.

    It's not a historically accurate army, it's fantasy. If it's pandering to recognize the need for female minis, especially since there are more women playing RPGs than ever before, then so be it.

    In my eyes, it's just good old capitalism; recognizing a market, and making a product people will buy.

    99% of the time I'd agree.  My one exception is when the fantasy fluff is specific about Faction X being "boys only" or "girls only" (e.g. W40k and its Space Marines).

    Coming up with a new(ish) setting, and you want to have boys -and- girls in golden magical armor?  Go for it.  Cramming girls into a 30+ year old IP?  Tokenism.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: amacris on August 10, 2021, 06:21:15 PM
    As owner/designer, I can confirm that Autarch/ACKS is solid green.



     


    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: palaeomerus on August 10, 2021, 07:11:10 PM
    Modiphius not Mophidius (yes I often scan/read it as Mophidius too)

    Asmodee not Asmodeus even though it's a variant of Asmodeus
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: TheShadowSpawn on August 10, 2021, 07:39:52 PM

    Quote
    Reaper Miniatures Fired a guy from criticizing antifa on a personal page. Antifa supporters are automatic red

    Are you sure on this one? I remember when it happened. He told some guy online that was calling everyone Nazis that he had no idea what a real Nazi was (which was true). It resulted in this idiot cancelling his pledge. The owner, I believe, asked the employee to refrain debating with customers, and the employee was upset at costing his company a sale. What happened after that I'm unsure of, but I took a tour of the factory and he was the one that gave the tour. 
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: happyhermit on August 10, 2021, 10:42:25 PM
    ...
    Ok, any women in your little army figs is too much for you. Got it. You have issues, buddy, and I thank you for making them so obvious to all.

    Are you ok? Because it looks like someone just said that they have an army of female figures and your response to that was; "Aha, so you are not ok with any female figures!".
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Shasarak on August 10, 2021, 11:27:52 PM
    ...
    Ok, any women in your little army figs is too much for you. Got it. You have issues, buddy, and I thank you for making them so obvious to all.

    Are you ok? Because it looks like someone just said that they have an army of female figures and your response to that was; "Aha, so you are not ok with any female figures!".

    You are forgetting in new speak, having a female army means you are fetishising women and co-opting them into your patriarchal oppression.

    Which is, at the end of the day, even worse then hating on female figures.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: palaeomerus on August 11, 2021, 02:05:41 AM
    Generally crass & snarky mental diagnoses based on partisan "tit for tat" contempt aren't going to tend to be especially well reasoned or demonstrated. I think GW is definitely doing it mainly for woke pandering fad compliance of "fierce stronk wammen is best champion", but I don't mind it that much. And if something HAS to be subjected to that the vapid silly MishMash of the mortal realms Lore is a damned good pick to take that hit. An exaggerated marketing focus on a Lady Stormcast with a suicide girls haircut is simply not the big thing that is wrong with AOS. Goofy shaggy fog high fantasy incoherence is. Not that I am against incoherence, and slap dash fun pastiche where things happen just because they seemed cool at the time. I just don't see that as Warhammer. I need more northern renaissance and there should be a Nuln for all that Nuln oil shader ink to be named after. Right now Warhammer is some hazy Opium Den version of its former self. MOAR SKELETONZ! MOAR RATS! MOAR LIZARD MEN AND NEKKID ELFY SORCERESS THANGS! MOAR DEAMONS! MOAR TREEZ!  Right now it is so everything that it's kind of nothing at all.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 11, 2021, 11:38:20 AM
    Generally crass & snarky mental diagnoses based on partisan "tit for tat" contempt aren't going to tend to be especially well reasoned or demonstrated. I think GW is definitely doing it mainly for woke pandering fad compliance of "fierce stronk wammen is best champion", but I don't mind it that much. And if something HAS to be subjected to that the vapid silly MishMash of the mortal realms Lore is a damned good pick to take that hit. An exaggerated marketing focus on a Lady Stormcast with a suicide girls haircut is simply not the big thing that is wrong with AOS. Goofy shaggy fog high fantasy incoherence is. Not that I am against incoherence, and slap dash fun pastiche where things happen just because they seemed cool at the time. I just don't see that as Warhammer. I need more northern renaissance and there should be a Nuln for all that Nuln oil shader ink to be named after. Right now Warhammer is some hazy Opium Den version of its former self. MOAR SKELETONZ! MOAR RATS! MOAR LIZARD MEN AND NEKKID ELFY SORCERESS THANGS! MOAR DEAMONS! MOAR TREEZ!  Right now it is so everything that it's kind of nothing at all.

    You all forgot (or maybe didn't know about) the "Warhammer is for everyone but..." statement by GW?

    IMHO they could be as woke free in the games text, art, etc just by that statement they need to be on the RED cathegory. Not to mention all of their other shitty and anti-consumer practices.


    You wouldn't buy Myfarog but you'll give money to other racists?
    Race based hiring:

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Semaj Khan on August 11, 2021, 12:39:47 PM
    So, there's an aspect to all this that may have something to do with what a lot of the companies (GW for example) are doing. Now, this ties into RPGs in a business way, so Pundit please ponder the value of this before you shitcan me.  ;D

    If you're a corporation, then you have stocks. Stocks are bought and traded by stock brokers, and brokers have a particular scoring system (I can't recall the name of it at the moment) which they use to gauge whether or not a corp's stock is worth investing in. That scoring system has about three or four aspects... one is the environmentally friendly position of the corp... another is... what for it... how socially progressive the corporation is. Yes, that's an actual factor.

    I suspect corporations like WOTC and GW are upping their desirability score with the brokers by making public statements, hiring diverse staff, and all the other pleasantries that go along with that sort of thing. 

    I mean... if I were on the board for a corp like that, I'd consider it.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Armchair Gamer on August 11, 2021, 01:44:10 PM
    So, there's an aspect to all this that may have something to do with what a lot of the companies (GW for example) are doing. Now, this ties into RPGs in a business way, so Pundit please ponder the value of this before you shitcan me.  ;D

    If you're a corporation, then you have stocks. Stocks are bought and traded by stock brokers, and brokers have a particular scoring system (I can't recall the name of it at the moment) which they use to gauge whether or not a corp's stock is worth investing in. That scoring system has about three or four aspects... one is the environmentally friendly position of the corp... another is... what for it... how socially progressive the corporation is. Yes, that's an actual factor.

    I suspect corporations like WOTC and GW are upping their desirability score with the brokers by making public statements, hiring diverse staff, and all the other pleasantries that go along with that sort of thing. 

    I mean... if I were on the board for a corp like that, I'd consider it.

      This works for the big names that are publicly traded--which is pretty much just WotC (as part of Hasbro), possibly GW, and maybe FFG and Daniel Fox's stuff (he's gotten into the big bookstores through Andrew McNeels Publishing). There may be a couple of others who are attached to big corporations I'm forgetting. Everyone else on the Red list is probably either cowed or a True Believer.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Semaj Khan on August 11, 2021, 02:11:09 PM
    So, there's an aspect to all this that may have something to do with what a lot of the companies (GW for example) are doing. Now, this ties into RPGs in a business way, so Pundit please ponder the value of this before you shitcan me.  ;D

    If you're a corporation, then you have stocks. Stocks are bought and traded by stock brokers, and brokers have a particular scoring system (I can't recall the name of it at the moment) which they use to gauge whether or not a corp's stock is worth investing in. That scoring system has about three or four aspects... one is the environmentally friendly position of the corp... another is... what for it... how socially progressive the corporation is. Yes, that's an actual factor.

    I suspect corporations like WOTC and GW are upping their desirability score with the brokers by making public statements, hiring diverse staff, and all the other pleasantries that go along with that sort of thing. 

    I mean... if I were on the board for a corp like that, I'd consider it.

      This works for the big names that are publicly traded--which is pretty much just WotC (as part of Hasbro), possibly GW, and maybe FFG and Daniel Fox's stuff (he's gotten into the big bookstores through Andrew McNeels Publishing). There may be a couple of others who are attached to big corporations I'm forgetting. Everyone else on the Red list is probably either cowed or a True Believer.

    Sure, I don't see it as a blanket answer. It does have to be a factor though. GW is traded, FFG is owned by a private equity. I doubt about DF.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Habitual Gamer on August 11, 2021, 03:09:50 PM

    Quote
    Reaper Miniatures Fired a guy from criticizing antifa on a personal page. Antifa supporters are automatic red

    Are you sure on this one? I remember when it happened. He told some guy online that was calling everyone Nazis that he had no idea what a real Nazi was (which was true). It resulted in this idiot cancelling his pledge. The owner, I believe, asked the employee to refrain debating with customers, and the employee was upset at costing his company a sale. What happened after that I'm unsure of, but I took a tour of the factory and he was the one that gave the tour.

    A lot of these entries feel like a bad version of the telegraph game to me.  "I heard this one guy say something about another guy 15 years ago.  Maybe."
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: deadDMwalking on August 11, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
    I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

    If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too. 
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Shasarak on August 11, 2021, 06:12:20 PM
    If you want your game judged on its quality then maybe try not being a garbage human being?

    Too much to ask?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: SonTodoGato on August 11, 2021, 06:19:28 PM
    I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

    If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

    Precisely the point. This is just cancel culture but less left-leaning. Take it for what it is.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Svenhelgrim on August 11, 2021, 06:35:04 PM
    I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

    If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

    This stopped being a debate long ago.  Conservative gamers are being black listed, having their lives destroyed, and are even being openly attacked physically, much to the cheers of the Woke.

    We are still taking the moral high ground by refusing to buy their products, and to try to participate in their gatherings (where they don’t want us anyway).  Leaving someone alone is not an attack.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: SHARK on August 11, 2021, 08:10:22 PM
    Greetings!

    Give me a fucking break! *WE'RE* participating in CANCEL CULTURE???

    Who the fuck started all of this bullshit? The goddamned LEFTIST CUNTS.

    So, the cock-sucking Marxists can choke on it. Too bad if they don't like "Cancel Culture". Normal people have a right to defend themselves, and express themselves.

    Roll all these whiny Marxist fuckers in glass. RUIN them. Don't buy from them. MOCK them relentlessly, and make them cry and feel *Unsafe*!! Whaa! Whaa! EXCLUDE them. Don't coddle them, or tolerate them. Kick them to the fucking curb at every opportunity.

    They wanted war. They thought they can brow beat and intimidate and "Cancel" whoever they want.

    Let them burn in the napalm of harsh reality.

    Semper Fidelis,

    SHARK
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: ShieldWife on August 11, 2021, 08:57:20 PM
    Who the fuck started all of this bullshit? The goddamned LEFTIST CUNTS.
    Amen!

    I’m not giving my money to a bunch of leftists who would kill me if they could, so that they can use that money to spread lies and propaganda, and to terrorize and intimidate their ideological opponents. I consider it to be a moral imperative to boycott these leftist companies if we are at all able - not just the RPG companies but Hollywood, Disney, Nike, all of the big corporations which are using their wealth and power to push a radical hateful agenda.

    As you say, they started this. They don’t want us to have any entertainment that is free of their propaganda, they dox people and get them fired for disagreeing with their crazy ideology. So I will oblige them and not give them a cent of my money. So I’m very happy to see a list like this so I can know what companies to avoid. Maybe at some point in the past we could have ignored the ideology of the people who make our RPGs but today we’re way past that and that was their choice, not ours.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Kyle Aaron on August 11, 2021, 11:23:55 PM
    What the fuck is this thread?

    Give me a fucking break! *WE'RE* participating in CANCEL CULTURE???

    Who the fuck started all of this bullshit? The goddamned LEFTIST CUNTS.
    Are you children in kindergarten? "But Miss, Miss! He started it!" Do you need me to give you all a slap and send you to naptime without a snack?

    If it's good, buy it, read it, and use it. If it's not, don't. I don't care if it was written by Hitler, Stalin, or Areola Dangerhair.

    In the words of the great Jesse Ventura, "you're all a bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here." Goddamn but I am embarrassed at my fellow gamers. No cheetos for you, and I'm going to need to see every dice roll, you cheating bastards.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: 1989 on August 11, 2021, 11:25:21 PM
    Who the fuck started all of this bullshit? The goddamned LEFTIST CUNTS.
    Amen!

    I’m not giving my money to a bunch of leftists who would kill me if they could, so that they can use that money to spread lies and propaganda, and to terrorize and intimidate their ideological opponents. I consider it to be a moral imperative to boycott these leftist companies if we are at all able - not just the RPG companies but Hollywood, Disney, Nike, all of the big corporations which are using their wealth and power to push a radical hateful agenda.

    As you say, they started this. They don’t want us to have any entertainment that is free of their propaganda, they dox people and get them fired for disagreeing with their crazy ideology. So I will oblige them and not give them a cent of my money. So I’m very happy to see a list like this so I can know what companies to avoid. Maybe at some point in the past we could have ignored the ideology of the people who make our RPGs but today we’re way past that and that was their choice, not ours.

    Clear thinking clearly stated.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Almost_Useless on August 11, 2021, 11:27:58 PM
    I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

    When these creators tell me if I believe this, or vote that way, or belong to this group, they don't want my business, what would you propose I do?

    I like all kinds of games.  OSR, 5e, hippy story games, and all kinds in between.  Some of the people on the "bad" lists make stuff I like.  I'm grown-up enough to handle people having different opinions from me.  But if a creator insists on making my decision political (looking at you Evil Hat), I guess I will.  I'm not cancelling anyone.  I'm doing what they asked.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 12:27:17 AM
    My exposure to woke in RPGs has been exclusive to TBP.  I was so disgusted by it I joined this shitshow   ;D   So I’m curious, what publishers have been guilty of “radical left”, “cancel culture”, ect?   And what have they said/done?   For my info only because I’m not the type gives enough of a fuck to go on Twitter and see what the guy/gal who wrote some part of my game book thinks. 
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Jam The MF on August 12, 2021, 12:31:11 AM
    My exposure to woke in RPGs has been exclusive to TBP.  I was so disgusted by it I joined this shitshow   ;D   So I’m curious, what publishers have been guilty of “radical left”, “cancel culture”, ect?   And what have they said/done?   For my info only because I’m not the type gives enough of a fuck to go on Twitter and see what the guy/gal who wrote some part of my game book thinks.

    That's what this thread is about.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 12:34:55 AM
    I saw the list.  With a few exceptions most of those in red are either woke pandering, virtue signaling or just plain stating their ideology.  I want the juicy “radical left destroying” stories.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: consolcwby on August 12, 2021, 01:10:21 AM
    Greetings!

    Give me a fucking break! *WE'RE* participating in CANCEL CULTURE???

    Who the fuck started all of this bullshit? The goddamned LEFTIST CUNTS.

    So, the cock-sucking Marxists can choke on it. Too bad if they don't like "Cancel Culture". Normal people have a right to defend themselves, and express themselves.

    Roll all these whiny Marxist fuckers in glass. RUIN them. Don't buy from them. MOCK them relentlessly, and make them cry and feel *Unsafe*!! Whaa! Whaa! EXCLUDE them. Don't coddle them, or tolerate them. Kick them to the fucking curb at every opportunity.

    They wanted war. They thought they can brow beat and intimidate and "Cancel" whoever they want.

    Let them burn in the napalm of harsh reality.

    Semper Fidelis,

    SHARK

    YES! YES! YES!!!
    They hate everything and everyone even associated with DECENCY! I say: GIVE 'EM A DIGITAL BLOOD-EAGLE FOREVER!!! TEACH THEM WHAT DESPAIR IS TRULY ABOUT!!! BWA-HAHAHAHAH!
    Also, this:
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: S'mon on August 12, 2021, 03:37:29 AM
    Kobold Press seems to be OK. I haven't seen anything woke or crazy from them or their authors

    Yeah, KP stuff all seems pretty normal to me. Wokesters criticised Tome of Beasts for having too many seductress type monsters. They're not at all Edgelordy either though; just a very meat & potatoes company that do decent quality products with high production value. Pretty much Paizo ca 2007.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: S'mon on August 12, 2021, 03:39:18 AM
    Kobold Press seems to be OK. I haven't seen anything woke or crazy from them or their authors

    unless someone else has seen something

    The Kobold Guide to Gamemastering harps about white males checking their privilege at the gaming table.  They also pretty much say you're a bigot if you think that transmen or transwomen are "in any way undesirable or abnormal".

    Kobold = Woke

    That sounds pretty bad. Never seen anything like it in their actual adventures though.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: oggsmash on August 12, 2021, 06:31:47 AM
    I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

    If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

      Overt politicization will contribute to the (lack) of quality of a game.  There is no purported politics, they are often overt, that list I can not speak to, but someone like Crawford is loud and proud. 
      You put cancel culture in quotes as if it is not a real thing.  Not buying things from people who overtly hate you is NOT cancel culture.  Trying to end someone's career or any position in public life is.  If you are going to use words, understand them first IMO.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 07:14:16 AM
    I saw the list.  With a few exceptions most of those in red are either woke pandering, virtue signaling or just plain stating their ideology.  I want the juicy “radical left destroying” stories.

    Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Steven Mitchell on August 12, 2021, 08:28:43 AM
    I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

    When these creators tell me if I believe this, or vote that way, or belong to this group, they don't want my business, what would you propose I do?

    I like all kinds of games.  OSR, 5e, hippy story games, and all kinds in between.  Some of the people on the "bad" lists make stuff I like.  I'm grown-up enough to handle people having different opinions from me.  But if a creator insists on making my decision political (looking at you Evil Hat), I guess I will.  I'm not cancelling anyone.  I'm doing what they asked.

    Well said.  Thus the distinction in the list between yellow and red.  I'm willing to buy from some on the left that produce quality if they don't feel the need to go out of their way to alienate me. 

    When I suspected that X might be an idiot, I could overlook it.  When said idiot left no doubt that they were that and also a power-mad jackass, and went out of their way to make sure I knew it, it is past the ignore stage.

    Then there are those that habitually deny the state of affairs.  They are either incredibly stupid/ignorant, liars, or fools.  There are no other alternatives. Use whichever one you think is most charitable in each situation.   (Free hint.  It varies, but once you can't tell the difference in behavior, it becomes kind of academic when dealing with the far left and their apologists.)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: deadDMwalking on August 12, 2021, 11:47:09 AM
    I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

    If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

      Overt politicization will contribute to the (lack) of quality of a game.  There is no purported politics, they are often overt, that list I can not speak to, but someone like Crawford is loud and proud. 
      You put cancel culture in quotes as if it is not a real thing.  Not buying things from people who overtly hate you is NOT cancel culture.  Trying to end someone's career or any position in public life is.  If you are going to use words, understand them first IMO.

    So Reaper Miniature is on the list.  I'm very curious to know how they've shown they hate you. 

    If people didn't buy from companies that hate their customers, none of us would have cable/internet. 
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Semaj Khan on August 12, 2021, 12:02:04 PM
    Anyone remember those days when we just played RPGs and had to carefully hide that fact from the stupid, arrogant people?

    Pepperidge Farms remembers...
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: oggsmash on August 12, 2021, 01:05:39 PM
    I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

    If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

      Overt politicization will contribute to the (lack) of quality of a game.  There is no purported politics, they are often overt, that list I can not speak to, but someone like Crawford is loud and proud. 
      You put cancel culture in quotes as if it is not a real thing.  Not buying things from people who overtly hate you is NOT cancel culture.  Trying to end someone's career or any position in public life is.  If you are going to use words, understand them first IMO.

    So Reaper Miniature is on the list.  I'm very curious to know how they've shown they hate you. 

    If people didn't buy from companies that hate their customers, none of us would have cable/internet.

      You should be more curious as to how you are quoting and responding to me and clearly did not read what I said.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 12, 2021, 02:53:23 PM
    I saw the list.  With a few exceptions most of those in red are either woke pandering, virtue signaling or just plain stating their ideology.  I want the juicy “radical left destroying” stories.

    I tried to keep most of the explanations concise, or to point the reader in a direction they can google. It would be a novel if I documented all the reasons why they went insane.

    When going up against people with no morality where nothing is off limits or taboo it is the most dangerous of opponents. Because they are willing to do anything to win, and get their way. Someone who goes into a battle with things like honor, pride etc it is a weakness because it can be exploited. This doesn't mean stoop to their level and throw your own morality out the window in order to win, at the same time need to be able to take steps to prevent them from utilizing a weapon that you won't touch. In this case cancel culture. Here we are striking back by giving more attention to the canceled, directing people to look into their products. If they aren't good then don't buy them but you never know, you might find something you really enjoy made by someone who doesn't want to see you put up against a wall and shot.

    I'm not telling anyone to boycott anything, just know what you're buying and maybe find a new game line in the process.

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: TheShadowSpawn on August 12, 2021, 03:04:12 PM
    I saw the list.  With a few exceptions most of those in red are either woke pandering, virtue signaling or just plain stating their ideology.  I want the juicy “radical left destroying” stories.

    I tried to keep most of the explanations concise, or to point the reader in a direction they can google. It would be a novel if I documented all the reasons why they went insane.

    When going up against people with no morality where nothing is off limits or taboo it is the most dangerous of opponents. Because they are willing to do anything to win, and get their way. Someone who goes into a battle with things like honor, pride etc it is a weakness because it can be exploited. This doesn't mean stoop to their level and throw your own morality out the window in order to win, at the same time need to be able to take steps to prevent them from utilizing a weapon that you won't touch. In this case cancel culture. Here we are striking back by giving more attention to the canceled, directing people to look into their products. If they aren't good then don't buy them but you never know, you might find something you really enjoy made by someone who doesn't want to see you put up against a wall and shot.

    I'm not telling anyone to boycott anything, just know what you're buying and maybe find a new game line in the process.

    It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 12, 2021, 04:59:21 PM
    I saw the list.  With a few exceptions most of those in red are either woke pandering, virtue signaling or just plain stating their ideology.  I want the juicy “radical left destroying” stories.

    I tried to keep most of the explanations concise, or to point the reader in a direction they can google. It would be a novel if I documented all the reasons why they went insane.

    When going up against people with no morality where nothing is off limits or taboo it is the most dangerous of opponents. Because they are willing to do anything to win, and get their way. Someone who goes into a battle with things like honor, pride etc it is a weakness because it can be exploited. This doesn't mean stoop to their level and throw your own morality out the window in order to win, at the same time need to be able to take steps to prevent them from utilizing a weapon that you won't touch. In this case cancel culture. Here we are striking back by giving more attention to the canceled, directing people to look into their products. If they aren't good then don't buy them but you never know, you might find something you really enjoy made by someone who doesn't want to see you put up against a wall and shot.

    I'm not telling anyone to boycott anything, just know what you're buying and maybe find a new game line in the process.

    It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.

    I updated reaper, I’ve been at least trying to verify rumors
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 12, 2021, 05:48:00 PM
    I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

    If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

    I don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 06:26:50 PM
    Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

    Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the “he’s a nazi” talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that’s the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I’m not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Shasarak on August 12, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
    Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

    Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the “he’s a nazi” talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that’s the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I’m not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

    People getting their ass wooped for talking shit is what this whole thread is all about.

    Let them eat cake, leftnut.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Zalman on August 12, 2021, 07:22:43 PM
    Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

    Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying ... <something you remember>

    That's some pretty cursory "research" right there! (And some pretty fuzzy memory to boot).
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 07:34:05 PM
    Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

    Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying ... <something you remember>

    That's some pretty cursory "research" right there! (And some pretty fuzzy memory to boot).

    Let me get something straight.  My give a fuck level about this topic extends to posting on this forum and only because it’s entertaining and there’s some smart/eloquent people on here.  Nor am I gobbling some quasi internet celebrity’s nuts as seems to be the trend these days.  I’m reading on this thread about the destruction of the hobby by some radical faction.  But to me it just appears to be the usual twats being twats and the hobby will survive intact.   
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 12, 2021, 08:01:47 PM
    I thought a place like this would focus on the quality of the game, not the purported politics of the creator.  Otherwise you're participating in 'cancel culture'.

    If something is wrong, it doesn't stop being wrong because you want to do it, too.

      Overt politicization will contribute to the (lack) of quality of a game.  There is no purported politics, they are often overt, that list I can not speak to, but someone like Crawford is loud and proud. 
      You put cancel culture in quotes as if it is not a real thing.  Not buying things from people who overtly hate you is NOT cancel culture.  Trying to end someone's career or any position in public life is.  If you are going to use words, understand them first IMO.

    So Reaper Miniature is on the list.  I'm very curious to know how they've shown they hate you. 

    If people didn't buy from companies that hate their customers, none of us would have cable/internet.

    Totally, I still remember when not buying a book left me incomunicated and without any TV for a month, it was horrible, think I might have developed PTSD from it. So I would be very thankfull if you used triggerwarnings before speaking about not having those things.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: palaeomerus on August 12, 2021, 08:03:22 PM
    Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

    Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the “he’s a nazi” talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that’s the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I’m not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

    The Quartering went to Gencon and was at a bar outside the con talking to one Gygax's sons. He was attacked and documented his injuries on camera.

    The attacker was Matt Loter, the owner of Elm City Games and Prettiest Princess Games who was am indie game designer who was at Gencon. He was wearing a 4 day pass around his neck when he came up behind the Quartering and started punching him in the back of the head. This happened in front of multiple witnesses.

    Quartering managed to disentangle and retreated into the bar. Matt tried to follow. There was no bar security involved but bystanders kept the man out of the bar until he left. Some say Loter had someone else with him. The bar, the Tin Roof, tried to keep Quartering from calling the police and refused to let him look at any security camera footage and refused to speak to Indianapolis police when they arrived.

    Quartering was thrown out of Gencon for talking about it on youtube and making Gencon look bad and unsafe. Matt Loter was not thrown out.

    Matt was upset because Quartering had been going off on WotC over their Magic the Gathering event protocols claiming they had failed to screen out convicted pedophiles from running the events. Matt did not know the Quartering nor had he been addressed by the Quartering before the attack and he did not personally know the man until he could identify him as his attacker. This was Matt acting on rage about youtube content that not about himself.

    The Quartering had been banned from official MtG events and cons for saying rude stuff on his Unsleeved Media youtube channel about some of the women who go to MtG events in costume and essentially pander to simps to get their picture taken with them for money. His youtube commentary was called harassment though legally it is not. There were also people trying to brigade against him on twitter and his fans were dogpiling those people.

    This back and forth was part of the whole reason MtG started putting those " this is a safe inclusive store" posters up. They invented the toxic MtG unperson.

    MtG also closed the Quartering's MtG steam game account and banned his copy of the online game taking all of the online cards he bought in the process. Quartering got his bank to process reverse charges on all transactions regarding the game on his credit card, so he got his money bank and the bank obviously did not buy into the TOS justifying that.

    Quartering being a douche does not mean he deserved to be attacked by a mentally instable idiot. You don't get to kick someone's ass by sneaking up on them because they said things about MtG that you don't like and complained about paid cosplay models being used to lure people to MtG events and portrayed as high tier competitive players when they clearly are not. 

    Quartering being a douche does not mean he deserved to be kicked off of MtG online, or out of Gencon for life.

    Matt Loter was taken to civil court, funded by a legal go fund me set up by comic book Artists and youtuber Ethan VanSciver, because local police in Indianapolis would not act on it beyond taking a criminal complaint, mostly because the bar refused to get involved.

    https://boundingintocomics.com/2018/08/02/the-quarterings-jeremy-hambly-attacked-at-gencon-2018/
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: palaeomerus on August 12, 2021, 08:07:43 PM
    Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

    Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying ... <something you remember>

    That's some pretty cursory "research" right there! (And some pretty fuzzy memory to boot).

    Let me get something straight.  My give a fuck level about this topic extends to posting on this forum and only because it’s entertaining and there’s some smart/eloquent people on here.  Nor am I gobbling some quasi internet celebrity’s nuts as seems to be the trend these days.  I’m reading on this thread about the destruction of the hobby by some radical faction.  But to me it just appears to be the usual twats being twats and the hobby will survive intact.

    Yeah, you don't know what you're poo-pooing, don't want to look into it, but it needs to go away or you'll call people twats. Got it. Concern Troll is VERY VERY concerned about thing.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 12, 2021, 08:09:26 PM
    Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

    Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying ... <something you remember>

    That's some pretty cursory "research" right there! (And some pretty fuzzy memory to boot).

    Let me get something straight.  My give a fuck level about this topic extends to posting on this forum and only because it’s entertaining and there’s some smart/eloquent people on here.  Nor am I gobbling some quasi internet celebrity’s nuts as seems to be the trend these days.  I’m reading on this thread about the destruction of the hobby by some radical faction.  But to me it just appears to be the usual twats being twats and the hobby will survive intact.

    1.- Fuck the Quartering
    2.- His attacker and him settled and there was some NDA so we don't know much but the attacker wouldn't have settled if he could win the law suit. Plus there were witnesses.
    3.- The Hobby will survive intact since I don't think we'll get to the point of the thought police breacking your door looking for wrong fun RPGs.
    4.- Some of the publishers that catter to the hobby might not survive intact.
    5.- The point of the thread is to have an easy place to check to who you're giving your hard earned money. If you don't care that company X is in bed with the woke racists then by all means go buy from them. If you want to buy from Varg (the other side of the same ugly coin) by all means go for it. But...
    6.- IF you don't want to give money to people that hate you, promote racist and sexist ideologies, and probably want to see you & yours destroyed, then this list is a good resource.
    7.- IF you agree with said racist and sexist ideologies then this list helps you not to give money to the suspected istophobes.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: palaeomerus on August 12, 2021, 08:23:43 PM
    It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.

    Per the Reaper listing:

    I am not at all confident in the reliability or accuracy of Ian Miles Cheong as he is a click bait shit stirrer, and Daily Caller is a right wing news/opinion  blogger/aggregator thing so again their content is slanted. This is not anything like an objective report.

    But this article at least gets you a name, approx. date, the venue being facebook, and other particulars.

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/15/toy-company-reprimands-employee-for-condemning-antifa/

    -----------------------------------------

    Reaper maintained a pro BLM statement on their latest news section of their front page as recently as June 2021.

    (https://i.imgur.com/WtRqwdV.png)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: TheShadowSpawn on August 12, 2021, 09:00:05 PM
    It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.

    Per the Reaper listing:

    I am not at all confident in the reliability or accuracy of Ian Miles Cheong as he is a click bait shit stirrer, and Daily Caller is a right wing news/opinion  blogger/aggregator thing so again their content is slanted. This is not anything like an objective report.

    But this article at least gets you a name, approx. date, the venue being facebook, and other particulars.

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/15/toy-company-reprimands-employee-for-condemning-antifa/

    -----------------------------------------

    Reaper maintained a pro BLM statement on their latest news section of their front page as recently as June 2021.

    (https://i.imgur.com/WtRqwdV.png)

    I really don't think he was fired, as weeks after the incident he was giving a tour of the facility. Maybe my dates are mixed up but I don't think so

    The virtue signaling is troublesome , but almost every large company did that during the riots. Of anything I'd keep them on yellow.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: palaeomerus on August 12, 2021, 09:17:02 PM
    That's all I know about it that I can document and I just raised the issue, I didn't assign anyone any score or anything like that.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Svenhelgrim on August 12, 2021, 10:14:03 PM

    1.- Fuck the Quartering

    The Quartering was the canary in the coal mine.  Next it could be you, or me who gets blindsided.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 12, 2021, 10:26:08 PM

    1.- Fuck the Quartering

    The Quartering was the canary in the coal mine.  Next it could be you, or me who gets blindsided.

    You didn't read my whole post? or choose to quote mine me?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Valatar on August 12, 2021, 11:01:46 PM
    There is an important distinction between cancel culture and people as a group boycotting products.  Getting someone or something canceled cripples their ability to sell it.  It gets them banned off of drivethrurpg, it gets their paypal account shut down, it gets them evicted from their office.  A canceled small business is basically destroyed.  A boycott may inflict economic harm on a business in lost revenue from people who learn about the boycott and don't buy when they otherwise might have, but it does not otherwise hamper them creating or selling their product.  What is going on here is a boycott, it is not a cancellation.

    That is not to say that a boycott can't eventually cripple something, "get woke go broke" comes precisely from companies alienating enough of their customers that the resulting boycott caused financial demise.  But it doesn't involve underhanded tactics like getting them cut off from their payment processors and banned from stores and conventions.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Kyle Aaron on August 12, 2021, 11:17:11 PM
    I don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.
    This statement could easily be taken from any proto-wokester's social media from a few years ago. The spirit is the same: damning people for Wrongthink.

    No.

    Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Zelen on August 12, 2021, 11:40:01 PM
    Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.

    If you play the Prisoner's Dilemma and you always cooperate, and the other person always betrays, you lose. Playing tit-for-tat is the only way to establish any kind of meaningful equilibrium without getting completely steamrolled.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: palaeomerus on August 13, 2021, 12:39:26 AM
    I don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.
    This statement could easily be taken from any proto-wokester's social media from a few years ago. The spirit is the same: damning people for Wrongthink.

    No.

    Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.

    Do what you want. I'll do what I want.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 13, 2021, 02:08:29 AM
    I don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.
    This statement could easily be taken from any proto-wokester's social media from a few years ago. The spirit is the same: damning people for Wrongthink.

    No.

    Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.

    Wrong, we're damning people for their actions, for their support of murderous movements, of racist and sexist ideologies, for giving them aid and cover.

    Another important difference: We're not trying to get them destroyed, we're just choosing not to buy from people that hate us.

    You might think that buying from the invading army isn't relevant and you'd be wrong.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: myleftnut on August 13, 2021, 04:02:48 AM
    Wrong, we're damning people for their actions, for their support of murderous movements, of racist and sexist ideologies, for giving them aid and cover.

    Another important difference: We're not trying to get them destroyed, we're just choosing not to buy from people that hate us.

    You might think that buying from the invading army isn't relevant and you'd be wrong.

    This is getting good.  Who’s getting murdered?   When you say racist/sexist…you’re talking about white dudes?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: S'mon on August 13, 2021, 08:20:13 AM
    It seems to me though that you aren't basing some of these on verified facts. Or at least aren't keeping up when someone posts a refutation of a claim. See my previous post on Reaper.

    Per the Reaper listing:

    I am not at all confident in the reliability or accuracy of Ian Miles Cheong as he is a click bait shit stirrer, and Daily Caller is a right wing news/opinion  blogger/aggregator thing so again their content is slanted. This is not anything like an objective report.

    But this article at least gets you a name, approx. date, the venue being facebook, and other particulars.

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/15/toy-company-reprimands-employee-for-condemning-antifa/

    -----------------------------------------

    Reaper maintained a pro BLM statement on their latest news section of their front page as recently as June 2021.

    (https://i.imgur.com/WtRqwdV.png)

    I really don't think he was fired, as weeks after the incident he was giving a tour of the facility. Maybe my dates are mixed up but I don't think so

    The virtue signaling is troublesome , but almost every large company did that during the riots. Of anything I'd keep them on yellow.

    Yellow (bellied) sounds appropriate to me!
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: oggsmash on August 13, 2021, 08:27:50 AM
    I don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.
    This statement could easily be taken from any proto-wokester's social media from a few years ago. The spirit is the same: damning people for Wrongthink.

    No.

    Judge each work on its individual merits. The authour is irrelevant.

       Well, first off you have been a touch hyperbolic in this thread in saying you would buy from Hitler.  If so, well, I wont stop you, but expecting anyone else to show that level of tolerance is asking a tremendous amount.  Second of all, alot of Wrongthink is getting shouted into kid's ears in school here in the USA, and I think people have just about had their limit on that one.  Thirdly, let's be honest...anyone who is overtly political to a side will put that in their work, and IME their work will suck.   So if they are going that strong politically it is a very good signal that their products are going to be a hard pass anyway. 
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Zalman on August 13, 2021, 09:50:32 AM
    Reaper maintained a pro BLM statement on their latest news section of their front page as recently as June 2021.

    (https://i.imgur.com/WtRqwdV.png)

    Supports "diversity".
    Supports "Black lives".
    Condemns "racism".

    These people are confused, and it makes me wonder what this "racism" being condemned actually means to them.

    I don't think is anyone arguing that these companies should be censored. We're just arguing people should get to see an easy list of which companies despise them and everything they like or stand for and would be happy to see us all dead.
    This statement could easily be taken from any proto-wokester's social media from a few years ago. The spirit is the same: damning people for Wrongthink.

    No, damning people for Wrongthink is very different from damning people for damning people for Wrongthink.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 13, 2021, 11:18:33 AM
    Wrong, we're damning people for their actions, for their support of murderous movements, of racist and sexist ideologies, for giving them aid and cover.

    Another important difference: We're not trying to get them destroyed, we're just choosing not to buy from people that hate us.

    You might think that buying from the invading army isn't relevant and you'd be wrong.

    This is getting good.  Who’s getting murdered?   When you say racist/sexist…you’re talking about white dudes?

    Who’s getting murdered? Dunno, you might wanyt to check how many people were murdered, raped and generally abused in the CHAZ/CHOP, how many were murders or attempet murders has Antifart commited. Pay attention, a murderous movent doesn't stop being murderous because they are inneficient.

    When you say racist/sexist…you’re talking about white dudes? Are you on the camp of those who think white people are the only ones capable of being racist? If so is it genetic? What makes them morraly inferior?

    No, I Mean ideologies that are currently pushing for droping MLK's dream and the progress made thanks to it. Those pushing for racial segregation (who are of the same party that established it and fought to preserve it), those pushing for hiring based on race/sex, for laws that DO take in account those immutable characteristics. Those who want to allow the government to discriminate based on race/sex.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Manic Modron on August 13, 2021, 01:08:41 PM
    Quote
    the attacker wouldn't have settled if he could win the law suit.

    Not really directed at GeekyBugle, or regarding the case in question, but something to keep in mind about lawsuits in general.
     Settling isn't always a matter of whether you will win or lose, but whether the battle is worth the expense.  Plenty of settlements are people who could probably win, but would be wind up crushed by legal fees.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 13, 2021, 01:31:07 PM
    Quote
    the attacker wouldn't have settled if he could win the law suit.

    Not really directed at GeekyBugle, or regarding the case in question, but something to keep in mind about lawsuits in general.
     Settling isn't always a matter of whether you will win or lose, but whether the battle is worth the expense.  Plenty of settlements are people who could probably win, but would be wind up crushed by legal fees.

    Correct, do you think this applies here?

    I mean the agressor wouldn't be able to garner economical support from those who think that punching hambly was a perfectly reasonable response to his criticism of Saint Fraudnita Shekelsian?

    My gut tells me he could have gotten a substantial ammount for legal fees and probably even a probono lawyer to deffend him for punching A natzee.

    After all Hambly isn't Disney.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: jeff37923 on August 13, 2021, 01:41:13 PM
    Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

    Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the “he’s a nazi” talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that’s the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I’m not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

    Gee, if she hadn't been wearing that red dress, then she would never have gotten raped......
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: S'mon on August 13, 2021, 03:07:51 PM
    Saint Fraudnita Shekelsian?

    I don't think Pundit likes anti-Semitic tropes.
    And Sarkesian's ethnicity is generic men-with-gold-chains, not Jewish afaict.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: GeekyBugle on August 13, 2021, 04:17:57 PM
    Saint Fraudnita Shekelsian?

    I don't think Pundit likes anti-Semitic tropes.
    And Sarkesian's ethnicity is generic men-with-gold-chains, not Jewish afaict.

    Except it's not being used as one, since it's being used for a non-Jew female fraudster. She's a Canadian fraudster.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Manic Modron on August 13, 2021, 06:23:18 PM

    Correct, do you think this applies here?

    I don't really care.  I've just seen enough people who assume that settling out of court is tantamount to an admission of guilt that I thought it was worth bringing up on principle. 
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: consolcwby on August 13, 2021, 08:58:11 PM
    Woke == Anti-semite
    Proof: https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/08/14/woke-anti-semitism/amp/

    BLM == Black Liberation Movement
    Proof: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/blm-uk-gains-legal-status-with-renaming-as-black-liberation-movement-uk

    The Weathermen and BLM joined forces back in the late 60s early 70s and promoted killing children, the white 'man', and raping women. Once both groups had come under the FBI's thumb, BLM then became part and parcel of louis farrakhan's group Nation Of Islam, of which OBAMA was a member of. The group is Anti-semetic.
    Proof: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/louis-farrakhan

    Therefore, those here who are 'WOKE', as well as elsewhere, ARE TRAITOROUS MURDERERS HELLBENT ON EXTERMINATION OF JEWS, CHRISTIANS, et. al.
    These are them who call EVIL = GOOD, AND GOOD = EVIL.  Thus they are the armies of ANTI-CHRIST!
    That's the jist of it.
    fnord.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: palaeomerus on August 14, 2021, 12:13:32 AM
    Saint Fraudnita Shekelsian?

    I don't think Pundit likes anti-Semitic tropes.
    And Sarkesian's ethnicity is generic men-with-gold-chains, not Jewish afaict.

    It's an Armenian name. 

    But that's not always useful into.
    I have a French Swiss surname, am not adopted or else my parents were amazing liars, and I'm 75% mongrelized german toss-out and 12.25% scotch irish trash and the other 12.5% is a mix of Jewish, Panamanian native, and other stuff.  Somehow I have olive skin, hazel eyes, and mouse brown hair going grey. Whatever. 'Let the genes dance about' I say. 250 years is a lot of time for them to jumble up so you can't match origin to result easily.

    Shekels isn't always antisemitic lingo as it gets used a lot for social media and crowd funding panderers/grifters who are either flogging merch or seeking patrons for some "important work". Often it is paired with Ducats, Sovereigns, Marks, Florins, Doubloons, Crowns, Quid, Pesos, Denari, or other famous foreign or antiquated coin types. 

    So I'm very willing to extend the benefit of the doubt when that's all I hear.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: S'mon on August 14, 2021, 05:56:38 AM
    It's an Armenian name. 

    Yeah, I was joking re 'generic men with gold chains' - no one in the West cares if you're Armenian, Azeri, Azerbaijani; almost no one cares if you're secular Iranian.

    As a bad man said,
    "Who remembers the Armenians?"
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: SonTodoGato on August 14, 2021, 10:59:43 AM
    Woke == Anti-semite
    Proof: https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/08/14/woke-anti-semitism/amp/

    BLM == Black Liberation Movement
    Proof: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/blm-uk-gains-legal-status-with-renaming-as-black-liberation-movement-uk

    The Weathermen and BLM joined forces back in the late 60s early 70s and promoted killing children, the white 'man', and raping women. Once both groups had come under the FBI's thumb, BLM then became part and parcel of louis farrakhan's group Nation Of Islam, of which OBAMA was a member of. The group is Anti-semetic.
    Proof: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/louis-farrakhan

    Therefore, those here who are 'WOKE', as well as elsewhere, ARE TRAITOROUS MURDERERS HELLBENT ON EXTERMINATION OF JEWS, CHRISTIANS, et. al.
    These are them who call EVIL = GOOD, AND GOOD = EVIL.  Thus they are the armies of ANTI-CHRIST!
    That's the jist of it.
    fnord.

    Nope, they're just focused on attacking christianity. Maybe some do hate jews and muslims, but they're willing to ally with them to displace christianity.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 15, 2021, 02:00:04 AM
    Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

    Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the “he’s a nazi” talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that’s the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I’m not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

    There was video of the incident. The guy in question came out of nowhere while Jeremy was eating at a restaurant outside of the convention area, and started attacking him with no provocation.

    Gencon's response was to ban Jeremy for life from the convention.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: RPGPundit on August 15, 2021, 02:09:48 AM
    This is another warning: absolutely do not go off topic from gaming.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ghostmaker on August 15, 2021, 10:51:55 AM
    Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

    Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the “he’s a nazi” talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that’s the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I’m not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

    There was video of the incident. The guy in question came out of nowhere while Jeremy was eating at a restaurant outside of the convention area, and started attacking him with no provocation.

    Gencon's response was to ban Jeremy for life from the convention.
    There was a LOT of speculation that someone in GenCon put Loter up to it, and it gave them an excuse to ban Hambly because 'he causes drama' or somesuch.

    Even if you think Hambly is a moron, that doesn't give people an excuse to attack him. It's the same stupid argument used for 'punch Nazis!' -- because the definition of 'Nazi' seems to keep devolving.

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: oggsmash on August 15, 2021, 11:09:55 AM
    Do your own research.  Start with Jeremy Hambly getting assaulted at Gencon.

    Do you mean the Quartering guy?  I remember he was saying some freak assaulted him and he ended up having to apologize and walk back the “he’s a nazi” talk.  Quartering guys claims the dude jumped out of a bush or something and smashed him.  I do wonder if that’s the whole story though.  Quartering guy comes off as a douche when he speaks.  I’m not condoning violence over words but sometimes people get their ass wooped for talking shit.

    There was video of the incident. The guy in question came out of nowhere while Jeremy was eating at a restaurant outside of the convention area, and started attacking him with no provocation.

    Gencon's response was to ban Jeremy for life from the convention.
    There was a LOT of speculation that someone in GenCon put Loter up to it, and it gave them an excuse to ban Hambly because 'he causes drama' or somesuch.

    Even if you think Hambly is a moron, that doesn't give people an excuse to attack him. It's the same stupid argument used for 'punch Nazis!' -- because the definition of 'Nazi' seems to keep devolving.

      back when this happened, I looked into the dude who jumped him.  I saw some glaring red flags (krav maga in the USA was the biggest) and talk around his martial arts training that was a bright flare of a red flag.  I think the dude is just off, considered himself a tough guy, and felt in the space he enjoys (Table top gaming) that knowing what a right cross, double leg takedown, and having the ability to do a couple pull ups made him Conan the Barbarian among his fellow gamers.   So I could accept he was put up to it, but IMO he just went ham because he was a borderline fucktard who knew he would reap social reward for acting like thug in the name of the right side of history.   He was correct.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Snowman0147 on August 15, 2021, 11:19:49 AM
    Can we get back on the lists?  I mean who else is green?
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: oggsmash on August 15, 2021, 11:57:21 AM
    Can we get back on the lists?  I mean who else is green?

      My comment was about the list, meaning Gen con is certainly red.    I honestly do not need a company to make the green for me to use their stuff, heck, if it is subjectively red I can work around that. 
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ocule on August 15, 2021, 03:05:21 PM
    Who was it that attacked him? Wasn’t he a journalist or YouTuber or something? I don’t think he made any games. I’ll need to start looking at more obscure titles at this rate. Should we include third party publishers for other titles as well?

    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Ghostmaker on August 15, 2021, 04:00:42 PM
    If we're gonna talk conventions, I would rate DragonCon at worst yellow and most likely green.

    Yes, they tend to make the occasional genuflection, and there is a diversity track. But the track seems to exist solely to contain the morons. Meanwhile, they keep inviting guys like D.J. Butler, Larry Correia, John Ringo, and Michael Z. Williamson. If they're woke, they're very bad at it :)
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: oggsmash on August 15, 2021, 05:18:32 PM
    Who was it that attacked him? Wasn’t he a journalist or YouTuber or something? I don’t think he made any games. I’ll need to start looking at more obscure titles at this rate. Should we include third party publishers for other titles as well?
     
      I dont remember his name, I thought he was part owner of a gaming store, and was developing (had a kickstarter) a game, but my memory is fuzzy.  He is a non factor IMO, what is relevant was how Gen Con reacted to the incident, which colored them a deep scarlet for purposes of that list.
    Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
    Post by: Willmark on August 16, 2021, 12:37:14 PM
      Red
      Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
      • Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
      That guy..  yeah.

      It was like Beatlejuice, say Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay three times and he appears from seemingly no where.[/list]
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: RebelSky on August 16, 2021, 02:48:17 PM
      Put Magpie Games in the Red.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 16, 2021, 03:05:17 PM
      Put Magpie Games in the Red.

      Having trouble finding anything concise on some really slow data atm. What’s with magpie games, I can see zakS trying to come up on a search but not what magpie actually did
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: RebelSky on August 16, 2021, 03:47:56 PM
      Put Magpie Games in the Red.

      Having trouble finding anything concise on some really slow data atm. What’s with magpie games, I can see zakS trying to come up on a search but not what magpie actually did

      They are the ones doing the current Avatar Legends kickstarter and they are all about "BLM and Diversity and Inclusiveness" and they are aiming Avatar Legends to be all about non-western storytelling, which shows they totally misunderstand the source material, and they hired Daniel Kwan (its Kwan, I think... he's the guy who is part of the Asians Represent podcast that pushed to get Oriental Adventures to get banned from the D&D store) to write some for AL.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 16, 2021, 03:58:59 PM
      Yup Magpie Games is going up there right next to coyote and crow on being actually racist. I tried watching Asians represent on L5r and as soon as someone led their introduction with their pronouns I knew it was going to be a shit show
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: GriswaldTerrastone on August 16, 2021, 06:53:32 PM
      I look at these companies, Dungeons and Dragons, Star Wars, Marvel comics, just about anything in the mainstream media today, and I wonder when it happened. How did we get here?  :-[
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Snowman0147 on August 17, 2021, 12:10:39 AM
      I look at these companies, Dungeons and Dragons, Star Wars, Marvel comics, just about anything in the mainstream media today, and I wonder when it happened. How did we get here?  :-[

      Communism and cronyism is what happened.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 17, 2021, 12:07:18 PM
      Updated List

      Green
      Not Woke or Indifferent
      • RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
      • Troll Lord Games (Castles and Crusades/Siege Engine) Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
      • Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
      • Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
      • Autarch/ACKS Definitely not woke
      • Necrotic Gnome (Old School Essentials) Makes a point to be apolitical
      • Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products
      • OSRIC Hasn't given any indication of getting political
      • Whitebox: FMAG No indication of getting poltical
      • Goblinoid Games (Labyrinth Lord) No indication of getting political
      • Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
      • Post Mortem Studios (Tales of Gor, Punk RPG, Grimdark) Visit the storefront, can't imagine them giving a shit what people think
      • Palladium Does what they have always done, make gonzo worlds
      • North Wind Adventures (Astonishing Swordsman and Sorcerers of Hyperborea) Hired some woke artist, but otherwise seems faithful to AD&D. Doesnt Appear to get preachy
      • Kort'thalis Publishing/Venger Satanis (Alpha Blue, Cha'alt) Anti SJW
      • Peterson Games (Cthulhu Mythos among others) They tried to cancel him for thinking that men shouldn't compete in women's sports. Seems like a genuinely nice dude
      • Riot Minds (Trudvang, Lex Occultum) Does not appear to be political, you can get their proprietary system or the D&D adaptation or adopt the setting to your own system. It's a beautiful setting with outstanding artwork.
      • Lamentations of the Flame Princess Edgelords, cannot be contained. They were on the receiving end of the cancel mob and twiterati for a while.
      • For Gold and Glory Nothing to suggest going woke, seems indifferent.
      • Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper) Indifferent
      • Sine Nomine (Scarlet Heroes, Stars Without Number Indifferent
      • Symbaroum Haven't seen anything political from them
      • Schwalb Entertainment (Shadow of the Demon Lord) They bent the knee a while back and put a pro BLM message though it has been taken down since, so they get to be green for now. More information is needed

      Yellow
      Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke

      • Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) Giving them the benefit of the doubt for now unless someone shows otherwise but this was posted last year https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/ (https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/)
      • Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
      • Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
      • Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
      • Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands
      • Monte Cook Games Poor Monte, used to make some good stuff. Tends to push things like consent forms in gaming, some stuff on mental illness but otherwise panders
      • Mongoose Games Had a don't be a dick section in paranoia, recommended by poster. Open for debate whether yellow or green
      • Modiphious Publishes some woke products, but doesn't seem to only publish woke products
      • Pinnacle Entertainment (Savage Worlds/Deadlands) Removed the CSA from Deadlands and removed a lot of the old art that might offend anyone particuarly anything with partial nudity or more risque outfits. Also made sure there weren't "too many white guys" in their core rulebook. Still pretty solid but they pander or cave to demands occasionally
      • Hero Games Hires sensitivity readers
      • GURPs/Steve Jackson Games Banned by rpg net for not being woke, though some of the devs might be. Steven Jackson signed onto october surprise, so he did come down with a case of TDS
      • Free League Standard "Gaming is for everyone" spiel, could go either way. Published forbidden lands, which slips in some anti woke themes. Yellow leaning Green
      • Atlas Games (Ars Magica) President of Atlas-Games has total TDS and is another blue checkmark. Unsure of how badly it shows in there games. For now its yellow bordering on red.
      • Edge Studios Acquired all of FFG rpg line, they toe the standard line and employ quite a few hardcore sjws
      • Reaper Miniatures Had some drama about an employee getting into a fight with some antifa sympathizer. Read this and make up your own mind https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6txuht/reaper_miniatures_may_have_fired_a_guy_for_shit/


      Red
      Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
      • Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
      • Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
      • Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
      • Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
      • Renegade Game Studios/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
      • Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
      • New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
      • Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
      • Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
      • Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
      • Ockult Ortmastare Games/Stockholm Cartell (Mork Borg) - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters
      • Sigil Stone Publishing (Five Torches Deep) Just read the last page in FTD Origins. Titled: "BIOESSENTIALISM, RACISM, AND COLONIALISM
      • Pelgraine Press (13th Age)  "The thing about SWGs (Straight White Guys) is that they make great punching bags. " Still need a citation for this but for now its going red. Also published #Feminism
      • Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Partnered with Diogo Nogueira
      • Kobold Press Guide to game mastering has a whole section telling the reader to "check your privilege"
      • The Design Mechanism ( Released a video stating if you voted for a certain political candidate you're not welcome to buy their game. They since deleted the video 
      • Monte Cook Games (Numenera) Partners with Shanna Germain and wrote consent in gaming. Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red
      • Arcanist Press Only make diversity products, they based their company on being woke
      • Gencon A convention, but honorary assholes none the less. They go a bit ban happy, see Jeremy Hambley and the whole thing with "nu-tsr" despite being short lived.
      • Coyote & Crow Bunch of actual racists making a racist game. Screeching about colonization and the whole premise of their game is what if white people didn't exist. One of the worst offenders on this list.
      • Magpie Games (Avatar Legends RPG) Way into BLM and "Diversity and Inclusion, also hired Daniel Kwan from Asians Represent Youtube channel. They tried to get Oriental Adventures banned from one bookshelf and other storefronts. Markets their game as non western storytelling.
      • Old Skull Publishing  Diogo Nogueira who threatened to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.

      This is so far the most up to date version of the list.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: SirBercelak on August 17, 2021, 05:38:17 PM
      ...
      Red
      Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
      • ...
      • Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Owner Diogo Nogueira threatening to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
      • ...

      Huh, Gallant Knight Games being red, in both senses of the word, is unexpected. They published and still sell Larry Correia's "Monster Hunter International RPG: Savage World's Edition", so I would have figured they wouldn't be all that bad. Good to know going forward. And good for Larry managing to work with these guys.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: palaeomerus on August 18, 2021, 01:17:35 AM
      Larry is not at all shy about ripping into the people who annoy him online and making a laughingstock of them to his growing audience, so I very much doubt Mr. Nogueura would enjoy barking up that particular tree. Larry is also into gaming both tactical miniature stuff and roleplaying so he'd care enough to get involved if someone gave him a reason to by trying to shut him up or shame him. He's quite large, good with words, funny, used to train people in firearms use, rich from his books, and did some forensic accounting before that so he is well equipped to engage on any front with anyone trying to cancel him or make problems for him.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 18, 2021, 07:22:05 AM
      Larry is not at all shy about ripping into the people who annoy him online and making a laughingstock of them to his growing audience, so I very much doubt Mr. Nogueura would enjoy barking up that particular tree. Larry is also into gaming both tactical miniature stuff and roleplaying so he'd care enough to get involved if someone gave him a reason to by trying to shut him up or shame him. He's quite large, good with words, funny, used to train people in firearms use, rich from his books, and did some forensic accounting before that so he is well equipped to engage on any front with anyone trying to cancel him or make problems for him.

      He has been on the receiving end of the cancel mob for a while now
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ghostmaker on August 18, 2021, 08:55:19 AM
      Larry is not at all shy about ripping into the people who annoy him online and making a laughingstock of them to his growing audience, so I very much doubt Mr. Nogueura would enjoy barking up that particular tree. Larry is also into gaming both tactical miniature stuff and roleplaying so he'd care enough to get involved if someone gave him a reason to by trying to shut him up or shame him. He's quite large, good with words, funny, used to train people in firearms use, rich from his books, and did some forensic accounting before that so he is well equipped to engage on any front with anyone trying to cancel him or make problems for him.

      He has been on the receiving end of the cancel mob for a while now
      With a sum total effect of... well, very little if not nil. He seems to draw consistent fans, and hasn't moderated himself much if at all.

      (Full disclosure: I've met him a couple times at Dragoncon. Neat guy.)
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 18, 2021, 11:02:17 AM
      I've heard Larry Correa is a really good guy, based on how GKG was acting about Venger i'm surprised they took up MHI considering that Mr. Correa is a more conservative author. I use the term loosely here, and a few of his anti woke posts. I can't find his posts on censorship atm since he moved his website from wordpress to monsterhunternation.com.  A more recent post shows stuff like this https://monsterhunternation.com/2021/01/12/it-is-all-about-controlling-the-public-square/ and i've seen some shit talking about him before about how his fans are "alt right" and stupid shit like that.

      How do you have GKG who goes around threatening to punch "nazis" like Venger also hosting games like MHI. Only thing I can think of is that assaulting someone would just bring him attention, while MHI can be a cash cow. Though I will say I've flipped through the MHI book and the design team really didn't seem to understand Savage Worlds. It looks like it was written by someone who only knew savage worlds after being commissioned to design a setting for it.

      Edited: Changed Jeremy to Venger, hard to keep up with all the threats of violence these days. I think someone punched jeremy hambley and their response was to ban jeremy from Gencon.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Plotinus on August 18, 2021, 11:08:39 AM
      Does anyone have the receipts on Nogueira threatening to punch Venger? I cannot find anything about it on the internet.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 18, 2021, 11:22:19 AM
      Does anyone have the receipts on Nogueira threatening to punch Venger? I cannot find anything about it on the internet.

      I cant find it either, but Venger is on this message board i'm sure he probably can. I remember hearing about it though,
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Armchair Gamer on August 18, 2021, 11:34:07 AM
      ...
      Red
      Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
      • ...
      • Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Owner Diogo Nogueira threatening to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
      • ...

      Huh, Gallant Knight Games being red, in both senses of the word, is unexpected. They published and still sell Larry Correia's "Monster Hunter International RPG: Savage World's Edition", so I would have figured they wouldn't be all that bad. Good to know going forward. And good for Larry managing to work with these guys.

         Diogo Nogueira's the founder of Old Skull Publishing, which partners with Gallant Knight Games for production/distribution, but he's not an owner of GKG per se.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: SirBercelak on August 18, 2021, 12:31:31 PM
         Diogo Nogueira's the founder of Old Skull Publishing, which partners with Gallant Knight Games for production/distribution, but he's not an owner of GKG per se.

      Ah, that makes much more sense. Thank you for the clarification.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Dropbear on August 19, 2021, 07:00:21 AM
      ...
      Red
      Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
      • ...
      • Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Owner Diogo Nogueira threatening to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
      • ...

      I’ve got their Tiny Frontiers, Stranger Stuff, For Coin and Blood stuff as well as all of the SS&SS and SB&CS stuff. Not seeing a woke message in print in any of them.

      Also, I don’t keep up with the authors as far as their personal politics. So long as it’s not embedded into the materials, I simply do not care what they believe politically.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Godsmonkey on August 19, 2021, 08:09:12 AM
      OK. Here's an interesting one, Heroforge. It's pretty clear they are woke when you are on their site, but not in a in your face way. I've seen pictures of some of the team, who appear to be stereotypical SJW types. The company has a combat wheelchair as an option for a mount/vehicle, and every conceivable variation of alternate sexuality flags, many of which I didn't know were even a thing.

      However, (and mind you, I killed my twitter account long ago) I've never seen any overt preachiness from the company.

      Going to the site makes me feel like I am sneaking through a camp of sleeping goblins.

      Yellow because of their obvious leanings?
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ghostmaker on August 19, 2021, 08:15:49 AM
      OK. Here's an interesting one, Heroforge. It's pretty clear they are woke when you are on their site, but not in a in your face way. I've seen pictures of some of the team, who appear to be stereotypical SJW types. The company has a combat wheelchair as an option for a mount/vehicle, and every conceivable variation of alternate sexuality flags, many of which I didn't know were even a thing.

      However, (and mind you, I killed my twitter account long ago) I've never seen any overt preachiness from the company.

      Going to the site makes me feel like I am sneaking through a camp of sleeping goblins.

      Yellow because of their obvious leanings?
      Hard to say if they have actual leanings or are just genuflecting or playing follow the leader.

      Keep in mind Heroforge's schtick is custom figs. If there's enough demand for an option, chances are good they'll plug it in. Even if there's not a LOT of demand, it costs them very little to build the 3D render -- a customer who wants the option will pay for the fig.

      I would say yellow and just wait and see.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Godsmonkey on August 19, 2021, 08:19:48 AM
      OK. Here's an interesting one, Heroforge. It's pretty clear they are woke when you are on their site, but not in a in your face way. I've seen pictures of some of the team, who appear to be stereotypical SJW types. The company has a combat wheelchair as an option for a mount/vehicle, and every conceivable variation of alternate sexuality flags, many of which I didn't know were even a thing.

      However, (and mind you, I killed my twitter account long ago) I've never seen any overt preachiness from the company.

      Going to the site makes me feel like I am sneaking through a camp of sleeping goblins.

      Yellow because of their obvious leanings?
      Hard to say if they have actual leanings or are just genuflecting or playing follow the leader.

      Keep in mind Heroforge's schtick is custom figs. If there's enough demand for an option, chances are good they'll plug it in. Even if there's not a LOT of demand, it costs them very little to build the 3D render -- a customer who wants the option will pay for the fig.

      I would say yellow and just wait and see.

      I guess the easy way to find out is to start requesting MAGA banners for minis, and see what happens.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ghostmaker on August 19, 2021, 08:24:41 AM
      OK. Here's an interesting one, Heroforge. It's pretty clear they are woke when you are on their site, but not in a in your face way. I've seen pictures of some of the team, who appear to be stereotypical SJW types. The company has a combat wheelchair as an option for a mount/vehicle, and every conceivable variation of alternate sexuality flags, many of which I didn't know were even a thing.

      However, (and mind you, I killed my twitter account long ago) I've never seen any overt preachiness from the company.

      Going to the site makes me feel like I am sneaking through a camp of sleeping goblins.

      Yellow because of their obvious leanings?
      Hard to say if they have actual leanings or are just genuflecting or playing follow the leader.

      Keep in mind Heroforge's schtick is custom figs. If there's enough demand for an option, chances are good they'll plug it in. Even if there's not a LOT of demand, it costs them very little to build the 3D render -- a customer who wants the option will pay for the fig.

      I would say yellow and just wait and see.

      I guess the easy way to find out is to start requesting MAGA banners for minis, and see what happens.
      I'll be honest, I would want to look at their 'representation' flags to see how far down the rabbit hole they've gone, before testing the waters. But that's a pretty good idea; see what cakes they're willing to bake :)
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 19, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
      Updated List

      Green
      Not Woke or Indifferent

      Yellow
      Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke



      Red
      Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.

      This is so far the most up to date version of the list.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: FingerRod on August 19, 2021, 05:29:11 PM
      ...
      Red
      Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
      • ...
      • Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Owner Diogo Nogueira threatening to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
      • ...

      I’ve got their Tiny Frontiers, Stranger Stuff, For Coin and Blood stuff as well as all of the SS&SS and SB&CS stuff. Not seeing a woke message in print in any of them.

      Also, I don’t keep up with the authors as far as their personal politics. So long as it’s not embedded into the materials, I simply do not care what they believe politically.

      Quote
      Lovecraft, The Mythos & Racism is a both a simple topic, and yet one fraught with complication.

      H.P. Lovecraft was undeniably and factually racist. There is explicitly racist content, as well as racist overtones, in the Mythos texts he wrote.

      Full stop.

      Enjoying the Mythos, liking the Mythos, and wanting to tell your own stories in the Mythos does not make you a racist.

      Full stop.

      But it does present a necessary challenge to the GM and players. Our guiding rule at GKG is that no one should feel excluded, left out, insulted, or harmed by the content presented in our games, and we strongly hope that you feel the same way regarding the content at your table.

      We’d encourage you to take a look at the material you are presenting, the parts of the Mythos you are drawing on, and consider how your game, stories, and characters impact others at your table (especially those already fighting in the real world for equal and fair treatment.)

      Racist, misogynistic, discriminatory, or any other form of exclusionary behavior at your table is wrong. If you’re engaging in that behavior at your table, you are in the wrong.

      Full stop.

      It’s possible to take flawed art and flawed artists and build upon the valuable parts of what they created to make something new, better, and inclusionary.

      We hope that Tiny Cthulhu will provide you with the tools you need to do so.

      That is the extent of the politics inserted into the most recent Tiny franchise. I agree with you. While calling it out like this to start your book is a head scratcher, I wouldn’t call it ‘woke’.

      The Full Stop stuff is a little cunty given that is literally what a period accomplishes, but whatever, I have seen him in other settings and he comes across as somebody I could easily get along with.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Dropbear on August 19, 2021, 06:37:19 PM
      ...
      Red
      Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
      • ...
      • Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Owner Diogo Nogueira threatening to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
      • ...

      I’ve got their Tiny Frontiers, Stranger Stuff, For Coin and Blood stuff as well as all of the SS&SS and SB&CS stuff. Not seeing a woke message in print in any of them.

      Also, I don’t keep up with the authors as far as their personal politics. So long as it’s not embedded into the materials, I simply do not care what they believe politically.

      Quote
      Lovecraft, The Mythos & Racism is a both a simple topic, and yet one fraught with complication.

      H.P. Lovecraft was undeniably and factually racist. There is explicitly racist content, as well as racist overtones, in the Mythos texts he wrote.

      Full stop.

      Enjoying the Mythos, liking the Mythos, and wanting to tell your own stories in the Mythos does not make you a racist.

      Full stop.

      But it does present a necessary challenge to the GM and players. Our guiding rule at GKG is that no one should feel excluded, left out, insulted, or harmed by the content presented in our games, and we strongly hope that you feel the same way regarding the content at your table.

      We’d encourage you to take a look at the material you are presenting, the parts of the Mythos you are drawing on, and consider how your game, stories, and characters impact others at your table (especially those already fighting in the real world for equal and fair treatment.)

      Racist, misogynistic, discriminatory, or any other form of exclusionary behavior at your table is wrong. If you’re engaging in that behavior at your table, you are in the wrong.

      Full stop.

      It’s possible to take flawed art and flawed artists and build upon the valuable parts of what they created to make something new, better, and inclusionary.

      We hope that Tiny Cthulhu will provide you with the tools you need to do so.

      That is the extent of the politics inserted into the most recent Tiny franchise. I agree with you. While calling it out like this to start your book is a head scratcher, I wouldn’t call it ‘woke’.

      The Full Stop stuff is a little cunty given that is literally what a period accomplishes, but whatever, I have seen him in other settings and he comes across as somebody I could easily get along with.

      Yeah I don’t buy anything Cthulhu that’s not from Chaosium, so that whole deal never really registered with me. I guess that kinda sorta points to yellow for GKG. I only heard about the Evil Hat stuff with Cthulhu from reading posts about it here.  Not that I’d buy anything from them, anyway. I don’t like FATE in the first place, regardless of their politics.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: GriswaldTerrastone on August 19, 2021, 07:04:10 PM
      Here's a question: looking at the RED "woke" companies- when did it happen? Were they always like that? Were they YELLOW at some point?

      If so, then how long before the GREEN and YELLOW start shifting?
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 19, 2021, 07:32:39 PM
      Here's a question: looking at the RED "woke" companies- when did it happen? Were they always like that? Were they YELLOW at some point?

      If so, then how long before the GREEN and YELLOW start shifting?

      I think pretty much most companies in the red category were at some point yellow or even green. It’s only in the last few years since like what 2016 or so this shit has gotten out of hand. I don’t know if it’s just buying into the bullshit or if they secretly were these fucking assholes and now have permission to act on it. Like wizards were closet shitbags for a while, or even good. They only really started once Crawford and mearls took control. Similar cases for old white wolf and green ronin imo. Paizo at one point was green, until around when they made wrath of the righteous and went downhill from there
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Reckall on August 19, 2021, 07:46:49 PM
      Quote
      Lovecraft, The Mythos & Racism is a both a simple topic, and yet one fraught with complication.

      H.P. Lovecraft was undeniably and factually racist. There is explicitly racist content, as well as racist overtones, in the Mythos texts he wrote.

      Full stop.

      Note how they stumble right out of the gate. True, Lovecraft racism is a topic fraught with complication. This automatically denies any "written on Mose's Tablets" full stop. Sorry but it doesn't work this way.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: palaeomerus on August 19, 2021, 10:19:21 PM
      I guess FULL STOP is CLAP HANDS but dialed back one notch. Either that or game prefaces are the new telegrams.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: palaeomerus on August 19, 2021, 11:21:56 PM
      That Tiny Cthulhu disclaimer is yellow stuff I think, but I need to pick at it. Or I want to.

      Lovecraft, The Mythos & Racism is a both a simple topic, and yet one fraught with complication.

      Anything is fraught with complication if some drama llama wants it to be. I dunno maybe lama is old stale lingo. That discriminates against the young who don't use it I guess. 23 skidoo.

      H.P. Lovecraft was undeniably and factually racist. There is explicitly racist content, as well as racist overtones, in the Mythos texts he wrote.

      The trouble is that I also hear people saying that Steve Ditko was undeniably and factually a racist as well and they don't bother with any nuance when they use the word. Are we talking about a virulent racist out to hurt people or a reluctant racist struggling with shame and honest confusion, or someone who has attitudes common to his era, a recluse, someone speaking mostly in a framework of layman's anthropology works or what? It doesn't matter. ROBOT HAS DETECTED RACISM SO ROBOT MUST SQUAWK. As long as hypersensitivity is in play there is no reasonable handling of ANYTHING and that's just the way it is. I think that is how various activists like it. It's a feature not a bug.

      Full stop.

      Is this like when someone is wrong or outrageous but they stand by what they say and that means everyone else has to pretend they are right? Why not just type Q.E.D. after every statement while T posing for dominance? Surely that is how rhetoric and suasion and philosophical discussion work, right? Childish pomposity is the posture of authority! JINX! NO BACKS! YOU OWE ME A COKE AND TWO FOR FLINCHING!

      Enjoying the Mythos, liking the Mythos, and wanting to tell your own stories in the Mythos does not make you a racist.

      YET, but we're working on that. Airbrushed commissars are steps on the road to paradise comrade! Cognitive hygiene is the key!

      Full stop.

      CLOWN HONKS HORN FOR EMPHASIS

      But it does present a necessary challenge to the GM and players.

      Citation needed. GM and players can handle things. If they screw it up, not much will happen. They don't need hazmat suits and a MSDS binder and OSHA inspectors to prevent gaming table injury.

      We can decide what we like and what we don't and vote with our feet. Tabletop Gaming is not a dating app. It doesn't need its own legal code and law enforcement entities and TOS and codes of conduct and access withdrawal tribunals. You sell books. That's it. You don't have a whistle and striped shirt and some hand signals and a brightly colored weighted rag to throw. Nobody "needs" this, few want it, and there is no reason for anyone to feel pressured to comply with any of this. You sell books. You are not at the table. I bought the book so...you go home now. 

      Our guiding rule at GKG is that no one should feel excluded, left out, insulted, or harmed by the content presented in our games, and we strongly hope that you feel the same way regarding the content at your table.

      I don't have to care what you want at my table or what your rule is. Sorry. I'm not out looking to scar players for life if that makes you feel better but you aren't invited to the table.

      We’d encourage you to take a look at the material you are presenting, the parts of the Mythos you are drawing on, and consider how your game, stories, and characters impact others at your table (especially those already fighting in the real world for equal and fair treatment.)

      I'd encourage you to mind your own fucking business and stop pestering me with your hang ups and taboos and goofy cartoonish inspirational posters about the human condition in your head. This is not defending anyone, it is trying to rope me into enforcing a lot of hooey and claptrap on the grounds that people might be offended if they play Cthulhu or the 1920s so we need to make SAFTEY CTHULHU or else we'll be rounded up as suppressive elements and FULL STOPPED or something. 

      Also try not to overreact. It really gives the whole scam away. This is Lovecraft stuff not the %$%^ing Turner Diaries. In terms of a volume knob, 2 is certainly on a continuum with 11 (if you have a Peavey or like Spinal Tap) but 2 is not 11 and taking 11 precautions for a 2 seems...well...vapid and disruptive. Or worse, it seems like cynical cowardly boilerplate to attempt to appease activists that you know are out there and will use the smallest excuse try to ruin your company or for not kowtowing to their demands sufficiently. Maybe they won't let you into GENCON. 

      Racist, misogynistic,

      We need to standardize these terms before we whack gamers over the head with them. People who think Mitch McConnell is a nazi and want to punch him might well be totally bananas when it comes to determining what is racist or misogynist. I consider CRT to be patently racist for instance. Meanwhile I don't see any worries about misandry  or ageism, you boomer, and does that make Gallant Knight a bunch of WRONG FULL STOP people who hate older folks or men?

      There is too much subjectivity, too much freaky motte-and-baily fallacy gaslighting, fuzzy terminology, Kafkaesque witch-finder overreach at play for me to let a game designer try to control my gaming table from afar. I mean are you concerned that a KKK rally will be a sea of hoods and torches holding up TINY CTHULHU above their heads? Will the book be used to drive people into self harm using the 20's and cosmic horror and some rude cultural and racist assumptions in the subject matter that you have presumably already sanitized anyway apart from you saying the fetid, befouled, and poisonous name of Howard Phillips Lovecraft which causes migraines and seizures in many who hear it,  risking that he might appear and start spreading misery and chaos and knocking the dice on the floor?

      discriminatory, or any other form of exclusionary behavior

      Whoah! Hold up now! Fucking excuse me? Now you fine people at Gallant Knight are in full control of all my associations? I have to game with child molesters and arsonists and nihilists or anyone at all or else I get the FULL STOP? This is ridiculous overreach and shows why the timid game designer afraid of injuring anyone at all is doomed to banal absurdity in the best of cases.

      I just bought a book from you; I didn't sign any contracts in blood. I don't owe you anything. And what do you imagine I'm going to do, have a smaller separate but equal table for anyone with the wrong junk or skin color or name or whatever? Dogs and fire hoses? Do you think there is some kind of Bull Connor problem in tabletop gaming and this kind of pestering is the cure? Get serious. 

      at your table is wrong. If you’re engaging in that behavior at your table, you are in the wrong.

      Full stop.


      STFU about my table. It's my table. And I don't like people who think they get a piece of it because they say they have good intentions. No. It's as simple as that. Get away from my table.

      Does this mean I am pro racism? I mean I won't help you fight the racism so that means I work for H. P. Lovecraft and want the world to be like the 1920s right?

      No.

      If you tell me that I need to stand on my roof and windmill my arms counterclockwise to fight cancer and I refuse, that doesn't mean I'm pro-cancer. It means you're a weirdo with a dumb idea so I am refusing your request for authority over whether I get up on the roof or not. 

      It’s possible to take flawed art and flawed artists and build upon the valuable parts of what they created to make something new, better, and inclusionary.

      Say inclusive instead of the tortured "inclusionary please", and is C'thulhu stuff really "new" or is it mostly public domain and popular? Be honest. Is Tiny C'thulhu better? Than what? Why? According to which standard? And what good is " it's possible" ? to people? It can be both possible and HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

      We hope that Tiny Cthulhu will provide you with the tools you need to do so.

      Just sell books or don't. People will buy read and use them or they won't. It's a book for a rules-lite rpg based on some fiction, not an eplosive, or a shotgun, or a barrel of 6 Molar acid. It doesn't need a lock-out/tag-out, or a license, or an inspector to make sure it is kept out of the wrong hands.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: SHARK on August 19, 2021, 11:41:18 PM
      Greetings!

      Fuck these wankers. I'm having Ghengis Khan, Attila the Hun, and Qin Huang-Di at my game table.

      Would that make these bitches cry? Some people might feel "offended" or "excluded"!

      Geesus.

      Semper Fidelis,

      SHARK
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 20, 2021, 12:52:18 AM
      Since the topic of Cthulhu mythos games came up, I would put Arc Dream as yellow tbh. Aside from the tirade against Trump and "authoritarian populism" in the Delta Green Handler's Guide, and them including an "other" category in sex on the DG character sheet, there aren't really any other woke-isms in their content from what I've read (honestly I think they should've just left 2016 and beyond out of the book, but whatever). Hell, in that same book they go over how the Tcho-Tcho use the guise of anti-racism to subvert the populace to the point where big purple whines about them.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: S'mon on August 20, 2021, 04:31:59 AM
      I think pretty much most companies in the red category were at some point yellow or even green. It’s only in the last few years since like what 2016 or so this shit has gotten out of hand. I don’t know if it’s just buying into the bullshit or if they secretly were these fucking assholes and now have permission to act on it. Like wizards were closet shitbags for a while, or even good. They only really started once Crawford and mearls took control.

      Pre-Woke Times is hard to assess because the cultural forces were different. WoTC is an East Coast company and was always Left Liberal, but that meant something very different in the 1990s. Mike Mearls is your classic yellow-bellied Nice Liberal, the type who always bend the knee to SJWs like Crawford. I'd definitely peg 2014 WoTC as Yellow not Red. They* transitioned to firmly Red ca 2016-18 as Crawford took full control. There had been a similar dynamic at Paizo a few years earlier. 2007-2010/11 Paizo was Yellow, 2013+ Paizo was and is Red.

      *By 'they' I mean the D&D game line.

      Edit: I went on the official D&D website yesterday to see what was there. They were promoting a charity game livestream, the proceeds to Mermaids, a Trans organisation that 'assists' children to Transition m2f or ftm, no parental consent required of course. They've been criticised by traumatised survivors who recount being emotionally confused teenagers (of whom there are plenty) encouraged to swiftly Transition, and who lived to regret it. I'd say they were one of the nastiest organisations it's possible to give money to.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: S'mon on August 20, 2021, 04:34:37 AM
      Paizo at one point was green, until around when they made wrath of the righteous and went downhill from there

      Was their 'first female AP author' who wrote Book #1 of Wrath of the Righteous a Trans ex-Man? It has a really weird unpleasant vibe to it that I'd not seen in the earlier Paizo APs.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: S'mon on August 20, 2021, 04:39:58 AM
      Re HPL, his own paranoid racism, with non-Anglos exuding a kind of Miasma of Evil, is extremely reminiscent of modern CRT, where Anglos exude a kind of Miasma of Evil. Hollywood has been doing this for a while - the white Southerners in Mississippi Burning aren't a million miles from Innsmouth's fishy folk, contrasted with the film's beatific black characters & HPL's pure Anglo-Aryan Investigator types.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: S'mon on August 20, 2021, 04:44:04 AM
      Conversely, has any RPG company ever turned from Red back to Yellow?

      "Once you turn to the Dark Side, forever it will dominate your destiny" - is this always true?
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Reckall on August 20, 2021, 06:11:47 AM
      Since the topic of Cthulhu mythos games came up, I would put Arc Dream as yellow tbh. Aside from the tirade against Trump and "authoritarian populism" in the Delta Green Handler's Guide, and them including an "other" category in sex on the DG character sheet

      I have no problems with "other", mostly because it is a personal choice that I can respect, not to mention something I feel "belonging" to the DG universe... But... Trump??

      I got my DG books literally two days ago. They were still in their (*) slipcase. After your post I pulled out the Handler's Guide and I read the tirade against the Big T. What were they thinking? I sometimes like to have bits of political debate in my CoC games set in the 1920s, just to enhance the flavour of the era, but contemporary politics have no place in a RPG.

      Quote
      (honestly I think they should've just left 2016 and beyond out of the book, but whatever).

      Same here. To me, the cut-off in DG should be 2015.

      (*) They are transgender books of course.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Reckall on August 20, 2021, 07:29:36 AM
      Re HPL, his own paranoid racism, with non-Anglos exuding a kind of Miasma of Evil, is extremely reminiscent of modern CRT, where Anglos exude a kind of Miasma of Evil. Hollywood has been doing this for a while - the white Southerners in Mississippi Burning aren't a million miles from Innsmouth's fishy folk, contrasted with the film's beatific black characters & HPL's pure Anglo-Aryan Investigator types.

      The "complexity" of Lovecraft's racism (and xenophobia - something that, for some reason, is always forgotten) is the very point that SJWs hysterically refuse to tackle. And yet you can't escape from the fact that the Jews aren't bothered by HPL's anti-semitism. Why? Because any objective analysis shows HPL as someone born in a specific cultural milieu, with the fears of that milieu amplified by his own neurosis; but also someone that, across his life, showed a desire to find his own identity - and who over and over, acted against that "racist" label so easily attributed to him.

      Regarding "HPL's pure Anglo-Aryan Investigator types" remember how they always end up insane, or dead, or both. The main character in "The Mask of Innsmouth" doesn't even fit this description. But these characters, more often than not, are simply vessels for HPL to narrate his story. One could even say that HPL always used the same character: himself. And that nothing more should be read from that.

      And then, in a period of deep spiritual growth, HPL produces stories like "The Haunter of the Dark" where is the "pure Anglo-Aryan Investigator" that acts out of hubris and gets nuked, and the "poor Italo-Irish Catholic community" the smart ones. And HPL writes this while kickstarting the career of a young Robert Block - a Jew.

      Lovecraft died still young while amid a period of personal growth - a sort of positive mid-life crisis, if such term can be used. It's a pity that we will never know how it would have been ended for him.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: RPGPundit on August 20, 2021, 07:36:15 AM
      Ocule, you should probably update the first post whenever you update the list. Make it easier for quick reference.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Reckall on August 20, 2021, 08:14:04 AM
      Ocule, you should probably update the first post whenever you update the list. Make it easier for quick reference.

      What about pinning this list?
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 20, 2021, 08:14:23 AM
      Ocule, you should probably update the first post whenever you update the list. Make it easier for quick reference.

      I wanted to but for some reason I can’t. I think there might be a seven day timer on the ability to edit posts or something but that seemed to be it
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ghostmaker on August 20, 2021, 08:18:08 AM
      Can confirm there's definitely a time limit on editing posts. I went back to test it with a post from last month and the 'modify' button is not present.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 20, 2021, 09:00:35 AM
      Since the topic of Cthulhu mythos games came up, I would put Arc Dream as yellow tbh. Aside from the tirade against Trump and "authoritarian populism" in the Delta Green Handler's Guide, and them including an "other" category in sex on the DG character sheet

      I have no problems with "other", mostly because it is a personal choice that I can respect, not to mention something I feel "belonging" to the DG universe... But... Trump??

      I got my DG books literally two days ago. They were still in their (*) slipcase. After your post I pulled out the Handler's Guide and I read the tirade against the Big T. What were they thinking? I sometimes like to have bits of political debate in my CoC games set in the 1920s, just to enhance the flavour of the era, but contemporary politics have no place in a RPG.

      Quote
      (honestly I think they should've just left 2016 and beyond out of the book, but whatever).

      Same here. To me, the cut-off in DG should be 2015.

      (*) They are transgender books of course.

      While the cutoff should have been 2015, if they continued the timeline (as I know some of the DG scenarios in the new books happen in 2017/2018) they honestly should've either did what they did with Obama and put little info, or just have someone that doesn't exist in it. On the flip side, I understand to a point including all of that because a lot of DG characters tend to work in intelligence.

      I also would not have included the last thing about Infowars in the book, because to me phenomen-x is basically the DG canon equivalent so it wasn't necessary
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: S'mon on August 20, 2021, 09:11:52 AM
      Re HPL, his own paranoid racism, with non-Anglos exuding a kind of Miasma of Evil, is extremely reminiscent of modern CRT, where Anglos exude a kind of Miasma of Evil. Hollywood has been doing this for a while - the white Southerners in Mississippi Burning aren't a million miles from Innsmouth's fishy folk, contrasted with the film's beatific black characters & HPL's pure Anglo-Aryan Investigator types.

      The "complexity" of Lovecraft's racism (and xenophobia - something that, for some reason, is always forgotten) is the very point that SJWs hysterically refuse to tackle. And yet you can't escape from the fact that the Jews aren't bothered by HPL's anti-semitism. Why? Because any objective analysis shows HPL as someone born in a specific cultural milieu, with the fears of that milieu amplified by his own neurosis; but also someone that, across his life, showed a desire to find his own identity - and who over and over, acted against that "racist" label so easily attributed to him.

      Regarding "HPL's pure Anglo-Aryan Investigator types" remember how they always end up insane, or dead, or both. The main character in "The Mask of Innsmouth" doesn't even fit this description. But these characters, more often than not, are simply vessels for HPL to narrate his story. One could even say that HPL always used the same character: himself. And that nothing more should be read from that.

      And then, in a period of deep spiritual growth, HPL produces stories like "The Haunter of the Dark" where is the "pure Anglo-Aryan Investigator" that acts out of hubris and gets nuked, and the "poor Italo-Irish Catholic community" the smart ones. And HPL writes this while kickstarting the career of a young Robert Block - a Jew.

      Lovecraft died still young while amid a period of personal growth - a sort of positive mid-life crisis, if such term can be used. It's a pity that we will never know how it would have been ended for him.

      Yeah, that's all fair comment of course. I was caricaturing HPL a bit in order to rag on Hollywood,  ;D. I stick with my Miasma of Evil comment though, several HPL stories share with modern CRT the idea that the mere presence of the Evil Race(s) brings with it a sort of spiritual pollution. The Street - https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/s.aspx
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: stilgars on August 20, 2021, 10:41:05 AM
      If I may (I have just created an account to do that), I do not understand in the case of Arc Dream Publishing why having published a sole paragraph "critizing" the Trump Administration, in the context of a summary of various past US governments, qualifies you as being pro-woke.


      First, the publisher has been listed as "Arc Knight", demonstrating that the guy who wrote this rant has probably no idea of what he is talking about.

      Second, I am copy/pasting the passage in question:

      » 20 JAN 2017: Donald J. Trump is inaugurated as president of the Unit- ed States. Controversies immediately surround the Trump administra- tion: the flagrant dishonesty of Trump and his staff, the degree to which White House decision-making may be influenced by and affect Trump’s family and businesses, the influence and administration roles of Blackwater founder Erik Prince and his family, Trump’s seeming fondness for authoritarian leaders, FBI and congressional investi- gations of the Trump campaign’s and administration’s reported links to the Russian government, and so on. As the White House formulates plans to reduce the funding and activities of most non-military fed- eral agencies, leaks to the press and social media become more and more frequent. The Program maintains its longstanding policy of not briefing the incoming president or vice president on its activities unless absolutely necessary.

      It may be a little charged against the Trump administration, but most of it, if not all, is factually true.

      So my suggestion is to remove Arc Dream Publishing, until further notice, specially considering there is absolutely nothing relating to woke-ism here, as apparently MAGA diehards are deliberately trying to settle some score here by blurring the lines.

      I do not support neither Trump nor woke pandering from companies, and do not want those two things to be inappropriately confused.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 20, 2021, 11:14:05 AM
      If I may (I have just created an account to do that), I do not understand in the case of Arc Dream Publishing why having published a sole paragraph "critizing" the Trump Administration, in the context of a summary of various past US governments, qualifies you as being pro-woke.

      • Arc Knight Publishing (Delta Green) Delta Green Handlers guide has a whole section on Trump. They are actually more hostile to Trump than actual historical nazis.

      First, the publisher has been listed as "Arc Knight", demonstrating that the guy who wrote this rant has probably no idea of what he is talking about.

      Second, I am copy/pasting the passage in question:

      » 20 JAN 2017: Donald J. Trump is inaugurated as president of the Unit- ed States. Controversies immediately surround the Trump administra- tion: the flagrant dishonesty of Trump and his staff, the degree to which White House decision-making may be influenced by and affect Trump’s family and businesses, the influence and administration roles of Blackwater founder Erik Prince and his family, Trump’s seeming fondness for authoritarian leaders, FBI and congressional investi- gations of the Trump campaign’s and administration’s reported links to the Russian government, and so on. As the White House formulates plans to reduce the funding and activities of most non-military fed- eral agencies, leaks to the press and social media become more and more frequent. The Program maintains its longstanding policy of not briefing the incoming president or vice president on its activities unless absolutely necessary.

      It may be a little charged against the Trump administration, but most of it, if not all, is factually true.

      So my suggestion is to remove Arc Dream Publishing, until further notice, specially considering there is absolutely nothing relating to woke-ism here, as apparently MAGA diehards are deliberately trying to settle some score here by blurring the lines.

      I do not support neither Trump nor woke pandering from companies, and do not want those two things to be inappropriately confused.

      It came as Arc Knight and not Arc Dream because I am on mobile and typing is weird (likewise I just woke up). If you even read my comment after, it's more the comment on the page after talking about "authoritarian populism" and the "rising authoritarianism in the American public". The writers themselves are woke-ish, but so far they've been decent at keeping it out of their games (hence saying they're Yellow, not Red). The writing in the handler's guide on the Tcho-Tcho when they could've just as easily retconned it, combined with how they broach certain subjects like some of the factions in The Labyrinth also begs to differ. I wouldn't include things like Agent Remko or New Life Fertility to be woke, because they very heavily fit the lore, and it is still a crime to be homosexual in Russia afaik, likewise I wouldn't entirely make the Prana Sodality "anti-woke", they're just hippies that stumbled across something they shouldn't have.

      Edit: also I think another reason I said Arc Knight is due to the large amount of talk about Gallant Knight, and my half-awake brain just got confused
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: stilgars on August 20, 2021, 11:29:02 AM

      It came as Arc Knight and not Arc Dream because I am on mobile and typing is weird (likewise I just woke up). If you even read my comment after, it's more the comment on the page after talking about "authoritarian populism" and the "rising authoritarianism in the American public". The writers themselves are woke-ish, but so far they've been decent at keeping it out of their games (hence saying they're Yellow, not Red).

      Arc Dream has been classified as Red, actually.

      The writing in the handler's guide on the Tcho-Tcho when they could've just as easily retconned it, combined with how they broach certain subjects like some of the factions in The Labyrinth also begs to differ. I wouldn't include things like Agent Remko or New Life Fertility to be woke, because they very heavily fit the lore, and it is still a crime to be homosexual in Russia afaik, likewise I wouldn't entirely make the Prana Sodality "anti-woke", they're just hippies that stumbled across something they shouldn't have.

      So you still believe there are occurrences of wokeness in The Labyrinth, but you cannot actually present one definitive example?
      And good lord, I would be very curious to understand how you could imagine one instant New Life Fertility (a secret organisation which breed Sub Niggurath hybrids in the midst of rich people with infertility issues) to be potentially woke. In that case, all modern RPGs become verboten
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Reckall on August 20, 2021, 12:27:40 PM
      Since the topic of Cthulhu mythos games came up, I would put Arc Dream as yellow tbh. Aside from the tirade against Trump and "authoritarian populism" in the Delta Green Handler's Guide, and them including an "other" category in sex on the DG character sheet

      I have no problems with "other", mostly because it is a personal choice that I can respect, not to mention something I feel "belonging" to the DG universe... But... Trump??

      I got my DG books literally two days ago. They were still in their (*) slipcase. After your post I pulled out the Handler's Guide and I read the tirade against the Big T. What were they thinking? I sometimes like to have bits of political debate in my CoC games set in the 1920s, just to enhance the flavour of the era, but contemporary politics have no place in a RPG.

      Quote
      (honestly I think they should've just left 2016 and beyond out of the book, but whatever).

      Same here. To me, the cut-off in DG should be 2015.

      (*) They are transgender books of course.

      While the cutoff should have been 2015, if they continued the timeline (as I know some of the DG scenarios in the new books happen in 2017/2018) they honestly should've either did what they did with Obama and put little info, or just have someone that doesn't exist in it. On the flip side, I understand to a point including all of that because a lot of DG characters tend to work in intelligence.

      I also would not have included the last thing about Infowars in the book, because to me phenomen-x is basically the DG canon equivalent so it wasn't necessary

      Back in the '90 (1995-1999) I wrote a series of comic-book stories about this secret government agency called "Elsewhere" that dabbled in... everything and anything (I'm still proud of the dialogue "The President is worried about the impact of this crisis on our commercial treaties with the Elves..."). It was set in contemporary times and actually it was strongly "Tom Clancey" (not only in the depth of real world research found in Clancy books but also in his vein of "optimism after all").

      The US President was always a shadow among shadows. It was not a fictional one and I never mentioned real-World politics. And that was all. Sometimes the readers wrote us asking "Is that guy in the shadows Bill Clinton? Is there a secret President behind everything?" and we just answered "Who knows? This is 'Elsewhere'..." :D

      I have put down the outline of an CoC adventure set at the very beginning of the Iraq War, on the night of Mar, 20th 2003 (I guess that now I'll use Delta Green). It involves a totally unprepared MET Team picked up at the last moment, given scattered intelligence and sent out in the mountains near Karbala from "the highest authorities".

      I'll make clear that I'll accept any king of rumbling against "Shitty heads who shit out shitty missions with shitty intelligence - this is how good guys give up the shit pals!" but any political comment about the War, Bush Jr. and friends is verboten. They are not there to debate that and a game is not the place to debate these kind of topics anyway.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: PonchoGoblin on August 20, 2021, 12:48:49 PM

      It came as Arc Knight and not Arc Dream because I am on mobile and typing is weird (likewise I just woke up). If you even read my comment after, it's more the comment on the page after talking about "authoritarian populism" and the "rising authoritarianism in the American public". The writers themselves are woke-ish, but so far they've been decent at keeping it out of their games (hence saying they're Yellow, not Red).

      Arc Dream has been classified as Red, actually.

      The writing in the handler's guide on the Tcho-Tcho when they could've just as easily retconned it, combined with how they broach certain subjects like some of the factions in The Labyrinth also begs to differ. I wouldn't include things like Agent Remko or New Life Fertility to be woke, because they very heavily fit the lore, and it is still a crime to be homosexual in Russia afaik, likewise I wouldn't entirely make the Prana Sodality "anti-woke", they're just hippies that stumbled across something they shouldn't have.

      So you still believe there are occurrences of wokeness in The Labyrinth, but you cannot actually present one definitive example?
      And good lord, I would be very curious to understand how you could imagine one instant New Life Fertility (a secret organisation which breed Sub Niggurath hybrids in the midst of rich people with infertility issues) to be potentially woke. In that case, all modern RPGs become verboten

      No I was saying The Labyrinth wasn't woke, when they could easily be misconstrued as such, and I brought those up as things that have been examples of such wokisms on other forums, ie big purple, but honestly to me don't seem to be (with New Life being possibly misconstrued as "haha stupid Catholics wanted natural bs" despite it showing that it isn't technically natural). Also the only reason Arc Dream was listed as Red was because of my initial post, and while the tirade on Trump in the book is bad, that's essentially the only instance of wokeness I've seen (and I have read through the DG core books, Impossible Landscapes, The Labyrinth, and Black Sites. Hell, it's probably my favorite RPG at this point and I only noticed that because of rereading the handler's guide as I need to come up with a new op for my party and I saw that.)
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Habitual Gamer on August 20, 2021, 01:26:55 PM

      It came as Arc Knight and not Arc Dream because I am on mobile and typing is weird (likewise I just woke up). If you even read my comment after, it's more the comment on the page after talking about "authoritarian populism" and the "rising authoritarianism in the American public". The writers themselves are woke-ish, but so far they've been decent at keeping it out of their games (hence saying they're Yellow, not Red).

      Arc Dream has been classified as Red, actually.

      If nothing else, it's interesting to see how an intent of "we have to collect and share the Truth" plays out in action.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 20, 2021, 01:43:19 PM
      So I just checked out delta green in more detail, which a lot of those accusations are misleading at best or debunked but okay let’s just ignore that. Look at this assholes Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/drgonzo123

      This is the creator of delta green. Here we have him telling people not to buy his book, celebrating the death of conservatives if they happen to die of covid, and pretty much just nothing but shitting on conservatives and going on anti American rants. Yeah fuck this guy he’s solidly on red.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Pat on August 20, 2021, 02:04:33 PM
      So I just checked out delta green in more detail, which a lot of those accusations are misleading at best or debunked but okay let’s just ignore that. Look at this assholes Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/drgonzo123

      This is the creator of delta green. Here we have him telling people not to buy his book, celebrating the death of conservatives if they happen to die of covid, and pretty much just nothing but shitting on conservatives and going on anti American rants. Yeah fuck this guy he’s solidly on red.

      I only got down to this:
      Quote from: Đɇnnɨs Đɇŧwɨłłɇɍ @drgonzo123
      The passive-aggressiveness in how people interact on the internet is fucking ridiculous. Do us all a favour, read back what you typed before you post it. If someone saying that to you would be classified as an asshole — guess what! YOU’RE the asshole!
      I guess he showed us who the asshole is.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: drakinfar on August 20, 2021, 02:24:00 PM
      I would say Massif Press in their Lancer RPG is pretty red.
      They have a whole takeout page in the gm section about how they are cis able bodied men trying not to glorify racism, show anyone in a bad light, etc.
      Then immediately state that they are extreme antifascist, racist, etc.
      Then they finally move on to telling people not discriminate at their table and how you should be accepting of all views.

      It is the modern day version of 'we aren't satanist/this is fiction' screed that we saw in rpg's in the 90's.

      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: stilgars on August 20, 2021, 02:44:02 PM
      So I just checked out delta green in more detail, which a lot of those accusations are misleading at best or debunked but okay let’s just ignore that. Look at this assholes Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/drgonzo123

      This is the creator of delta green. Here we have him telling people not to buy his book, celebrating the death of conservatives if they happen to die of covid, and pretty much just nothing but shitting on conservatives and going on anti American rants. Yeah fuck this guy he’s solidly on red.

      Ok fine. So for the sake of exactness, your list is non-political/pro-trump "authors" versus anti-trump, nothing actually concerning woke (or non woke) companies in RPGs.

      As for celebrating the anti-vaccine guy who dies of covid-19, it's called Darwinism - the antithesis of wokeness. The weak and the stupid die first.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: FingerRod on August 20, 2021, 02:55:44 PM
      So I just checked out delta green in more detail, which a lot of those accusations are misleading at best or debunked but okay let’s just ignore that. Look at this assholes Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/drgonzo123

      This is the creator of delta green. Here we have him telling people not to buy his book, celebrating the death of conservatives if they happen to die of covid, and pretty much just nothing but shitting on conservatives and going on anti American rants. Yeah fuck this guy he’s solidly on red.

      Ok fine. So for the sake of exactness, your list is non-political/pro-trump "authors" versus anti-trump, nothing actually concerning woke (or non woke) companies in RPGs.

      As for celebrating the anti-vaccine guy who dies of covid-19, it's called Darwinism - the antithesis of wokeness. The weak and the stupid die first.

      You’re off to a great start.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: oggsmash on August 20, 2021, 03:15:57 PM
      So I just checked out delta green in more detail, which a lot of those accusations are misleading at best or debunked but okay let’s just ignore that. Look at this assholes Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/drgonzo123

      This is the creator of delta green. Here we have him telling people not to buy his book, celebrating the death of conservatives if they happen to die of covid, and pretty much just nothing but shitting on conservatives and going on anti American rants. Yeah fuck this guy he’s solidly on red.

      Ok fine. So for the sake of exactness, your list is non-political/pro-trump "authors" versus anti-trump, nothing actually concerning woke (or non woke) companies in RPGs.

      As for celebrating the anti-vaccine guy who dies of covid-19, it's called Darwinism - the antithesis of wokeness. The weak and the stupid die first.

        I guess the good news for you then, is all the people who dont get a shot and come out just fine you may now think of as Strong.   5 years down the road, maybe smart.  Think of yourself as weak I guess.   Edited to add:  good news for you is that Darwinism is NOT the strongest and smartest survive, but the most adaptable to their environment.  I think you will absolutely THRIVE in a nation of soy latte and bowing down to your betters.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ka'arl Sorcerer of Cha'alt on August 20, 2021, 03:33:02 PM
      So I just checked out delta green in more detail, which a lot of those accusations are misleading at best or debunked but okay let’s just ignore that. Look at this assholes Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/drgonzo123

      This is the creator of delta green. Here we have him telling people not to buy his book, celebrating the death of conservatives if they happen to die of covid, and pretty much just nothing but shitting on conservatives and going on anti American rants. Yeah fuck this guy he’s solidly on red.

      Ok fine. So for the sake of exactness, your list is non-political/pro-trump "authors" versus anti-trump, nothing actually concerning woke (or non woke) companies in RPGs.

      As for celebrating the anti-vaccine guy who dies of covid-19, it's called Darwinism - the antithesis of wokeness. The weak and the stupid die first.



      Yeah you never have to wait long for the Crazy Hate Spewing Death Eaters to show themselves. They just are not capable of showing empathy for anyone not in their echo chamber.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 20, 2021, 04:02:57 PM
      You really don’t. Twitter is often a great spot to see them out themselves. And yes hating trump is usually part of the package deal with these people. Most of those in the green category don’t say one way or another about Trump.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: oggsmash on August 20, 2021, 07:14:13 PM
      You really don’t. Twitter is often a great spot to see them out themselves. And yes hating trump is usually part of the package deal with these people. Most of those in the green category don’t say one way or another about Trump.

         Well, not saying anything is pretty much the same as declaring unconditional love for those loons.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: RPGPundit on August 21, 2021, 10:29:01 PM
      Ocule, you should probably update the first post whenever you update the list. Make it easier for quick reference.

      I wanted to but for some reason I can’t. I think there might be a seven day timer on the ability to edit posts or something but that seemed to be it

      Hmm, OK. Well, send me a  message when you've got the final version and I will edit your post for you.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: RPGPundit on August 21, 2021, 10:29:29 PM
      Can confirm there's definitely a time limit on editing posts. I went back to test it with a post from last month and the 'modify' button is not present.

      Must be our new board system.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 22, 2021, 07:29:50 AM
      I personally wouldn't consider anti Trump sentiments a viable reason not to buy a product. I'm more against the overly politically correct and the brow beating of, 'you must play our way', and the censorship of art, etc.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ka'arl Sorcerer of Cha'alt on August 22, 2021, 08:18:46 AM
      I personally wouldn't consider anti Trump sentiments a viable reason not to buy a product. I'm more against the overly politically correct and the brow beating of, 'you must play our way', and the censorship of art, etc.

      I do agree. That said however, the vast majority of the wokewalkers also are the most vocal Anti-Trumpers often with a long list of fake facts that "everyone must know are true".
      Like Trump or Don't, I could care less. But rail about burning him alive and odds are.....your part of the Army of Woke.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 22, 2021, 08:27:43 AM
      odds are.....your part of the Army of Woke.

      I just don't see Trump has anything do to with gaming even if the majority of woke dweebs hate him. I don't conflate the two.
      Also, American politics has no real relevance to our own shitty political system in the shitty EU.

      Of course, even if I hated him that still wouldn't make me woke in terms of gaming. Also, the old school left should not be lumped in with the nu lefties per se. Different ideologies.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 22, 2021, 08:33:34 AM
      No one on that list was out there because of their view of trump. But screeching about how they want republicans to die and celebrate their death certainly will put them in red. Because if you are Republican ( or probably anything to the right of Stalin) they would be celebrating your death. Telling people if they voted a certain way not to buy your book is also a point against them.

      Like I said no one got put on red just because they don’t like trump. But full on tds is certainly a factor, and odds are anyone who is woke also has tds
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 22, 2021, 08:36:27 AM
      Like I said no one got put on red just because they don’t like trump.

      Good to know, if that's the case.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Svenhelgrim on August 22, 2021, 09:28:51 AM
      I personally wouldn't consider anti Trump sentiments a viable reason not to buy a product. I'm more against the overly politically correct and the brow beating of, 'you must play our way', and the censorship of art, etc.

      The list isn’t there to tell you what to buy, or what not to buy.  The list is there to tell you if the crators of a specific game hate you and want to see you put in camps or killed. 

      You make your own decisions.

      Regarding TDS: as others have stated, it’s not about Trump so much as banning people who supported or voted for him.  It is a political attack.  So those companies that do that should get listed as Red.  Also cons and other game forums, like This one:

      https://mashable.com/article/rpgnet-forum-bans-trump-support?amp
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 22, 2021, 09:48:28 AM
      The list is there to tell you if the crators of a specific game hate you and want to see you put in camps or killed. 

      You make your own decisions.

      A tad hyperbolic, imo. But I'm glad the list exists, I mean, I don't want to spend any more money with assholes or people who want to control what you can and can't enjoy or are pro censorship.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ka'arl Sorcerer of Cha'alt on August 22, 2021, 09:53:58 AM
      odds are.....your part of the Army of Woke.

      I just don't see Trump has anything do to with gaming even if the majority of woke dweebs hate him. I don't conflate the two.
      Also, American politics has no real relevance to our own shitty political system in the shitty EU.

      Of course, even if I hated him that still wouldn't make me woke in terms of gaming. Also, the old school left should not be lumped in with the nu lefties per se. Different ideologies.

      If I saw people screaming to burn alive some guy in the EU on all the woke walkers lists then that to would be one of the easy ways to tell.

      It's wanting to kill people that gets you gets you on the list. The smoke billowing up from that extreme that is the signal, not Trump. As you said Trump doesn't enter into it either way, pro or against. 

      to be clear I mean on my list of ways to tell if people are horrible woke walkers not this list. I have nothing to do with this list other than I like to use it.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 22, 2021, 09:59:42 AM
      It's wanting to kill people that gets you gets you on the list.

      Again, I agree with not buying products from a-holes who hate you. Makes sense to me... Fuck 'em in the eye.

      But as for being 'seriously threatened' by some of those RPG dweebs, it's all just a load of hot air. Fuck them as well though.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: HappyDaze on August 22, 2021, 03:27:44 PM
      I personally wouldn't consider anti Trump sentiments a viable reason not to buy a product. I'm more against the overly politically correct and the brow beating of, 'you must play our way', and the censorship of art, etc.

      The list isn’t there to tell you what to buy, or what not to buy.  The list is there to tell you if the crators of a specific game hate you and want to see you put in camps or killed. 

      You make your own decisions.

      Regarding TDS: as others have stated, it’s not about Trump so much as banning people who supported or voted for him.  It is a political attack.  So those companies that do that should get listed as Red.  Also cons and other game forums, like This one:

      https://mashable.com/article/rpgnet-forum-bans-trump-support?amp
      What a fucking load of nonsense.  The "hate you and want to see you killed" is moronic fear mongering designed to sway idiots (and it seems to gain a lot of traction here). What this list really does is allow posters to virtue signal, just like those on the other side do. It's all rather pathetic tribalism among basement dwellers.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: HappyDaze on August 22, 2021, 03:30:41 PM
      The list is there to tell you if the crators of a specific game hate you and want to see you put in camps or killed. 

      You make your own decisions.

      A tad hyperbolic, imo. But I'm glad the list exists, I mean, I don't want to spend any more money with assholes or people who want to control what you can and can't enjoy or are pro censorship.
      This is a more reasonable take on it, but I think it undertakes the hyperbole and also fails to recognize that many of those pushing things into the list also want to control what other can and can't enjoy (even as they try the Tucker Carlson dance of "I'm just saying/asking...make up your own mind" they slant the fuck out of it for their own tribe).
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 22, 2021, 03:33:43 PM
      What a fucking load of nonsense.  The "hate you and want to see you killed" is moronic fear mongering designed to sway idiots

      This!

      I agree... I very much doubt there's a bunch of RPG dweebs coming to 'get you'. Sure, they kick up a stink on twitter, or may try and cancel you, and call on a company to censor a product. But you just stand firm, write the games you want, and play shit your own way.

      And sod anyone else who tries to force you into their way of woke gaming.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Mistwell on August 22, 2021, 03:43:21 PM
      I personally wouldn't consider anti Trump sentiments a viable reason not to buy a product. I'm more against the overly politically correct and the brow beating of, 'you must play our way', and the censorship of art, etc.

      The list isn’t there to tell you what to buy, or what not to buy.  The list is there to tell you if the crators of a specific game hate you and want to see you put in camps or killed. 

      You make your own decisions.

      Regarding TDS: as others have stated, it’s not about Trump so much as banning people who supported or voted for him.  It is a political attack.  So those companies that do that should get listed as Red.  Also cons and other game forums, like This one:

      https://mashable.com/article/rpgnet-forum-bans-trump-support?amp
      What a fucking load of nonsense.  The "hate you and want to see you killed" is moronic fear mongering designed to sway idiots (and it seems to gain a lot of traction here). What this list really does is allow posters to virtue signal, just like those on the other side do. It's all rather pathetic tribalism among basement dwellers.

      It used to be "Story gamers are going to destroy society!" lists before that got so pathetic nobody could pretend it was a threat anymore. So now it's SJW gamers. Eventually that fad will fade too, people will "declare victory" though almost nobody will have been influenced by their rantings, and the next boogeyman will arise.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 22, 2021, 03:50:36 PM
      they slant the fuck out of it for their own

      I think that's a fair assumption. However, that said, I'm naturally skeptical of pretty much everything. So while this list will certainly point the finger at certain companies. I will be the final arbiter whether I buy from them or not despite the 'color'.

      Also, I have my own personal criteria of what I will and won't buy (which I mentioned with the whole Trump thing originally). If any of those companies tick my boxes then I won't touch them with an asbestos glove. Evil Hat is a good example, and a shame really as I like a lot of their stuff and I've bought a lot of it too in the past. But Hicks is an obnoxious individual, so no more money from me (I doubt they will care of course).

      Again, I don't care about a companies political leanings. It's the woke part in games I don't like (and censorship, etc.). I'm obviously highly skeptical about the RPG dweebs and their supposed Pogrom.


      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 22, 2021, 04:08:10 PM
      What a fucking load of nonsense.  The "hate you and want to see you killed" is moronic fear mongering designed to sway idiots

      This!

      I agree... I very much doubt there's a bunch of RPG dweebs coming to 'get you'. Sure, they kick up a stink on twitter, or may try and cancel you, and call on a company to censor a product. But you just stand firm, write the games you want, and play shit your own way.

      And sod anyone else who tries to force you into their way of woke gaming.

      Is it nonsense considering a lot of these morons will actually tell you this.

      I personally wouldn't consider anti Trump sentiments a viable reason not to buy a product. I'm more against the overly politically correct and the brow beating of, 'you must play our way', and the censorship of art, etc.

      The list isn’t there to tell you what to buy, or what not to buy.  The list is there to tell you if the crators of a specific game hate you and want to see you put in camps or killed. 

      You make your own decisions.

      Regarding TDS: as others have stated, it’s not about Trump so much as banning people who supported or voted for him.  It is a political attack.  So those companies that do that should get listed as Red.  Also cons and other game forums, like This one:

      https://mashable.com/article/rpgnet-forum-bans-trump-support?amp
      What a fucking load of nonsense.  The "hate you and want to see you killed" is moronic fear mongering designed to sway idiots (and it seems to gain a lot of traction here). What this list really does is allow posters to virtue signal, just like those on the other side do. It's all rather pathetic tribalism among basement dwellers.

      Idc what people do with it I started it so myself and others don’t get duped into buying into a game only to regret it later. And thanks to building this list I found some games that I probably wouldn’t have found like ACKS, which after a quick read is an awesome game. There are a few others that I just wouldn’t have heard of over the big companies. Or not buying into evil hat products like the Dresden files only to probably
      Find myself banned from fate communities unable to find games. Or like a wotc where I stopped buying their new trash effectively ending the line for myself. Or knowing if I buy like tashas it’s gonna be full of woke bullshit

      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 22, 2021, 04:14:02 PM
      like a wotc where I stopped buying their new trash effectively ending the line for myself. Or knowing if I buy like tashas it’s gonna be full of woke bullshit

      Totally agree. Not that I'd buy anything from Wotc.

      But the list, imo is a good starting point of who not to do business with.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Eirikrautha on August 22, 2021, 06:44:23 PM
      LOL at the Kool Aid drinkers in this thread warning about the dangers of us following the crowd.  If they didn't have "see, your side does it, too!", they'd have nothing to say...
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: HappyDaze on August 22, 2021, 07:47:40 PM
      LOL at the Kool Aid drinkers in this thread warning about the dangers of us following the crowd.  If they didn't have "see, your side does it, too!", they'd have nothing to say...
      Well, before that I called you a swayed idiot that buries his head in the asses of fear mongers, but I'm sure you're in full denial on that.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Eirikrautha on August 22, 2021, 08:09:41 PM
      LOL at the Kool Aid drinkers in this thread warning about the dangers of us following the crowd.  If they didn't have "see, your side does it, too!", they'd have nothing to say...
      Well, before that I called you a swayed idiot that buries his head in the asses of fear mongers, but I'm sure you're in full denial on that.
      Cry more, please!  It's the hit dog that yelps.  If you can't see the difference between people refusing to patronize companies that explicitly tell them "not to buy if they have X belief" and people who are trying to convince others to actively destroy the businesses of those who don't sufficiently parrot the woke that they believe, then I think everyone here can tell exactly how much weight to give your opinion on anything.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: HappyDaze on August 23, 2021, 03:23:18 AM
      LOL at the Kool Aid drinkers in this thread warning about the dangers of us following the crowd.  If they didn't have "see, your side does it, too!", they'd have nothing to say...
      Well, before that I called you a swayed idiot that buries his head in the asses of fear mongers, but I'm sure you're in full denial on that.
      Cry more, please!  It's the hit dog that yelps.  If you can't see the difference between people refusing to patronize companies that explicitly tell them "not to buy if they have X belief" and people who are trying to convince others to actively destroy the businesses of those who don't sufficiently parrot the woke that they believe, then I think everyone here can tell exactly how much weight to give your opinion on anything.
      It's sad that you consider yourself to be a hit dog.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Naburimannu on August 23, 2021, 04:39:50 AM
      Or knowing if I buy like tashas it’s gonna be full of woke bullshit

      Maybe we have very different tolerance for bullshit, but "full of woke bullshit" feels like a massive exaggeration to me. Or are we triggered by the word "trigger"?
      Looking in Tasha's, which is 192 pages, I'm hardly finding any wokeness:

      That's everything I can find?

      Personally, I'm not offended by any of that, even though I don't want to use all of them; I'm far more offended by the wastes of space from poor editing and from a house style that seems to be aimed at readers instead of gamers. There are far more pages spent on Artificers - 15! - or various sub-classes who don't fit into most of the game-worlds I want to run, than on overwritten restatements of "PCs might not be normal" or "you should plan the kind of game your players want to play".

      Page 4: "Everything in this book is optional. Each group, guided by the DM, decides which of these options, if any, to incorporate into a campaign."

      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: SHARK on August 23, 2021, 11:54:38 AM
      Or knowing if I buy like tashas it’s gonna be full of woke bullshit

      Maybe we have very different tolerance for bullshit, but "full of woke bullshit" feels like a massive exaggeration to me. Or are we triggered by the word "trigger"?
      Looking in Tasha's, which is 192 pages, I'm hardly finding any wokeness:

      • Are we considering allowing PCs to change racial ability score increases (pg 7) "woke"? I don't like it, it doesn't fit the kind of game I want to play, but it is very clearly motivated with "PCs are exceptional individuals who don't have to conform to the racial archetypes at all". The race still has those archetypes.
      • Ditto allowing PCs to change languages or cultural proficiencies (pg 7) or personality (pg 8), although both ought to be changed if you're running in a thickly-detailed world.
      • Chapter 4 talks about Session Zero, so there's encouragement to explicitly discuss hard & soft limits on pg 141. I suspect some of the posters on here would find a couple of those paragraphs overly solicitous of player concerns.
      That's everything I can find?

      Personally, I'm not offended by any of that, even though I don't want to use all of them; I'm far more offended by the wastes of space from poor editing and from a house style that seems to be aimed at readers instead of gamers. There are far more pages spent on Artificers - 15! - or various sub-classes who don't fit into most of the game-worlds I want to run, than on overwritten restatements of "PCs might not be normal" or "you should plan the kind of game your players want to play".

      Page 4: "Everything in this book is optional. Each group, guided by the DM, decides which of these options, if any, to incorporate into a campaign."

      Greetings!

      Interesting. "A house style that seems to be aimed at readers instead of gamers." What ways does WOTC do this with the Tasha book?

      Of course, I also wonder why the designers are then catering to the perceived audience of *readers* instead of *Gamers*.

      Semper Fidelis,

      SHARK
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: S'mon on August 23, 2021, 12:28:23 PM
      • Are we considering allowing PCs to change racial ability score increases (pg 7) "woke"?
      Yes, because they think race stats mods is racial essentialism = racist. That's why they changed it, same as they got rid of racial alignments.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Torque2100 on August 24, 2021, 07:09:03 AM
      Or knowing if I buy like tashas it’s gonna be full of woke bullshit

      Maybe we have very different tolerance for bullshit, but "full of woke bullshit" feels like a massive exaggeration to me. Or are we triggered by the word "trigger"?
      Looking in Tasha's, which is 192 pages, I'm hardly finding any wokeness:

      • Are we considering allowing PCs to change racial ability score increases (pg 7) "woke"? I don't like it, it doesn't fit the kind of game I want to play, but it is very clearly motivated with "PCs are exceptional individuals who don't have to conform to the racial archetypes at all". The race still has those archetypes.
      • Ditto allowing PCs to change languages or cultural proficiencies (pg 7) or personality (pg 8), although both ought to be changed if you're running in a thickly-detailed world.
      • Chapter 4 talks about Session Zero, so there's encouragement to explicitly discuss hard & soft limits on pg 141. I suspect some of the posters on here would find a couple of those paragraphs overly solicitous of player concerns.
      That's everything I can find?

      Personally, I'm not offended by any of that, even though I don't want to use all of them; I'm far more offended by the wastes of space from poor editing and from a house style that seems to be aimed at readers instead of gamers. There are far more pages spent on Artificers - 15! - or various sub-classes who don't fit into most of the game-worlds I want to run, than on overwritten restatements of "PCs might not be normal" or "you should plan the kind of game your players want to play".

      Page 4: "Everything in this book is optional. Each group, guided by the DM, decides which of these options, if any, to incorporate into a campaign."

      I think you do raise some good points. A lot of this "SJW Takeover of DnD" stuff is starting to feel rather overblown.  The truth is that WotC can't confiscate your books if you choose to play the game in a way the creators wouldn't approve of.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: RPGPundit on August 24, 2021, 03:37:15 PM
      -Removing alignment

      -removing racial characteristics and essentially turning every character into either a human or a human-in-cosplay with no distinctions

      -destroying the concept of archetypes and myth

      -the entire setting is 21st century seattle with magic

      -Mandatory session zero and rules that make the most demanding or politically activist player able to hold the entire rest of the gaming group hostage to their demands in the named of "social justice"


      I would say these are not small things.

      And the Candlekeep book was worse than tasha's. And Woke Ravenloft was worse than Candlekeep.

      Do you see where this is going?




       
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: oggsmash on August 24, 2021, 03:48:41 PM
      -Removing alignment

      -removing racial characteristics and essentially turning every character into either a human or a human-in-cosplay with no distinctions

      -destroying the concept of archetypes and myth

      -the entire setting is 21st century seattle with magic

      -Mandatory session zero and rules that make the most demanding or politically activist player able to hold the entire rest of the gaming group hostage to their demands in the named of "social justice"


      I would say these are not small things.

      And the Candlekeep book was worse than tasha's. And Woke Ravenloft was worse than Candlekeep.

      Do you see where this is going?




       

         Do you feel these movements in their tone have been accelerating?   I have no idea how most of the gang running WOTC think, I do know Crawford's point of view, because I do not think he can talk for more than a minute and not tell me.   Do you think this is him, or all of them, or just sort of a let the inmates run the asylum?
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: S'mon on August 24, 2021, 05:15:51 PM
         Do you feel these movements in their tone have been accelerating?   

      I jumped off the WotC wagon with Tasha's, but it definitely looks that way, just looking at the advertising for Strixhaven. Or the fundraising drive for Mermaids (a charity Trans-itioning children) I saw on the their site front page. At this point WoTC is nearly as woke as the Metropolitan Police!  :o
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 24, 2021, 05:52:43 PM
      -Removing alignment

      -removing racial characteristics and essentially turning every character into either a human or a human-in-cosplay with no distinctions

      -destroying the concept of archetypes and myth

      -the entire setting is 21st century seattle with magic

      -Mandatory session zero and rules that make the most demanding or politically activist player able to hold the entire rest of the gaming group hostage to their demands in the named of "social justice"


      I would say these are not small things.

      And the Candlekeep book was worse than tasha's. And Woke Ravenloft was worse than Candlekeep.

      This is exactly the problem... Corporate pandering leads to more and more of this sjw shit being seen as 'legitimate'. I don't play nu D&D. But unfortunately, this is starting to filter into other games, and into the mindset of game designers (old and new). Who now feel like they have to start injecting this guff to sell their games. Or fear a twatter hate mob if they don't.


      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Willmark on August 24, 2021, 08:10:40 PM

      Is it nonsense considering a lot of these morons will actually tell you this.
      Nope but listening to some tell it here its all made up that (some) have literally told you (certain customers) they don't want your money for wrong/bad think.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Willmark on August 24, 2021, 08:11:13 PM
      Double post.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ka'arl Sorcerer of Cha'alt on August 24, 2021, 09:47:48 PM
      Out of the 12 players in my rpg group playing 5E for the past 3 1/2 years. One still plays 5E.

      That doesn't mean anything by itself but It just seems like a LOT of people are leaving the 5E mess behind.

      We have never left D&D. Some of us have been playing since OD&D and have played every edition and even liked every edition 3.5 and 4E. We started out loving 5E. Three years though and its MANY HORRIBLE flaws required so many house rules we were not playing 5E really anymore.....but we kept on.....it wasn't until the game veered HARD left that we suddenly realized we were trying to make a horrible game system work just because it was D&D and unfortunately D&D doesn't mean what it once did.

      The first edition of the game that once I was done, I got rid of every single book. I do not want that crap on my bookshelf.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: King Tyranno on August 25, 2021, 09:05:22 AM
      Or knowing if I buy like tashas it’s gonna be full of woke bullshit

      Maybe we have very different tolerance for bullshit, but "full of woke bullshit" feels like a massive exaggeration to me. Or are we triggered by the word "trigger"?
      Looking in Tasha's, which is 192 pages, I'm hardly finding any wokeness:

      • Are we considering allowing PCs to change racial ability score increases (pg 7) "woke"? I don't like it, it doesn't fit the kind of game I want to play, but it is very clearly motivated with "PCs are exceptional individuals who don't have to conform to the racial archetypes at all". The race still has those archetypes.
      • Ditto allowing PCs to change languages or cultural proficiencies (pg 7) or personality (pg 8), although both ought to be changed if you're running in a thickly-detailed world.
      • Chapter 4 talks about Session Zero, so there's encouragement to explicitly discuss hard & soft limits on pg 141. I suspect some of the posters on here would find a couple of those paragraphs overly solicitous of player concerns.
      That's everything I can find?

      Personally, I'm not offended by any of that, even though I don't want to use all of them; I'm far more offended by the wastes of space from poor editing and from a house style that seems to be aimed at readers instead of gamers. There are far more pages spent on Artificers - 15! - or various sub-classes who don't fit into most of the game-worlds I want to run, than on overwritten restatements of "PCs might not be normal" or "you should plan the kind of game your players want to play".

      Page 4: "Everything in this book is optional. Each group, guided by the DM, decides which of these options, if any, to incorporate into a campaign."

      I think you do raise some good points. A lot of this "SJW Takeover of DnD" stuff is starting to feel rather overblown.  The truth is that WotC can't confiscate your books if you choose to play the game in a way the creators wouldn't approve of.

      I think at least where I'm living it is very hard to find a game of anything other than 5E because 5E is popular and the majority of fairweather zoomers who like Critical Role play it. I've had very little success getting people I know interested in anything other than what is popular. I'd love to completely leave 5E behind and transition to b/x or other games. But I also had a humilating experience at my LGS once when I tried to show people Traveller and people accused me of gatekeeping for even just showing the book off.

      If you're lucky enough to have an open minded group of friends then you should be okay to play whatever you want. If you rely on PUGs as I do you are just fucked for the most part.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ghostmaker on August 25, 2021, 09:22:27 AM
      There's nothing wrong, IMO, with 5E itself. I'm actually a big fan of the advantage/disadvantage system.

      Trust me, after you've played Imagine, 5E is downright friendly :)

      The problems come from (a) the hordes of newbs drawn in by Critical Role, and (b) the incessant slide leftwards that WOTC is indulging in. The former is manageable, if annoying; the latter is very bad for the game and the hobby.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Seve on August 25, 2021, 12:21:47 PM
      I need an explanation. Euro guy.
      Is the thing about "Democrats are adding political stuff in their games, and I'm Conservative"?
      Or it's simply "I'm Conservative, and I don't want for you to criticize me"?
      Or "I read somewhere that Dems will kill you if you don't agree?"
      Or even "That's my game, I don't want any moral lecture, let me hate whatever"?

      I mean, I'm strongly left oriented, and probably I'll consider most of your political ideas total bullshit, so to me you MUST be criticized the whole life until you'll agree your vision of reality is wrong - that's how politics work.  You got a position, and the responsibility of that in a democracy is being on a debate for that position.
      But I don't have any reason to justify why this should influence entertainments. Entertainments should be neutrals. I don't want 'left oriented games'... it doesn't mean nothing T_T.

      I dunno, to me GDR never sounded as "not inclusive" the way it was, it was probably the most inclusive thing I ever practiced in my life. Every guy with social issues could finally find a comparted sandbox to learn socialization and feel adequate.
      So there was any need to add  some inclusivity clause? About what? I've played multiculturally already in the '90 in a country that's NOT multicultural... girls were welcome, no kid abused... and many of my best players and pals were right or far right supporters. We discussed about immigrants, fascism (FOR REAL, how USA people can debate on fascism and communism is SF to me), nationalism and feminism plain and clearly. I never thought "nah, this guy cannot join the game, too [woke/nazi]" as that trait is never brought up so strongly to be a factor of exclusion. It isn't a factor, your barman or the one conducting the bus can be lefty/righty and you'll never know...
      My fear, and my doubt, is that there's an uncanny social tension oversea I cannot relate to. And it's  bad, most of RPG industry is USA based.

      So really I feel dazed. I should defend left-oriented ideologies, but it look they are doing bad, so I have to agree on the WRONG term with some right-oriented guy that to me should totally change ideals, but in a context that to me is not anything proficient for politics?

      WTF, how woke and Trump and Twitter complicated my life T_T...

      To be fair, I will not buy anything. Just self made homebrew and that's all.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 25, 2021, 01:41:53 PM
      I need an explanation. Euro guy.
      Is the thing about "Democrats are adding political stuff in their games, and I'm Conservative"?
      Or it's simply "I'm Conservative, and I don't want for you to criticize me"?
      Or "I read somewhere that Dems will kill you if you don't agree?"
      Or even "That's my game, I don't want any moral lecture, let me hate whatever"?

      I mean, I'm strongly left oriented, and probably I'll consider most of your political ideas total bullshit, so to me you MUST be criticized the whole life until you'll agree your vision of reality is wrong - that's how politics work.  You got a position, and the responsibility of that in a democracy is being on a debate for that position.
      But I don't have any reason to justify why this should influence entertainments. Entertainments should be neutrals. I don't want 'left oriented games'... it doesn't mean nothing T_T.

      I dunno, to me GDR never sounded as "not inclusive" the way it was, it was probably the most inclusive thing I ever practiced in my life. Every guy with social issues could finally find a comparted sandbox to learn socialization and feel adequate.
      So there was any need to add  some inclusivity clause? About what? I've played multiculturally already in the '90 in a country that's NOT multicultural... girls were welcome, no kid abused... and many of my best players and pals were right or far right supporters. We discussed about immigrants, fascism (FOR REAL, how USA people can debate on fascism and communism is SF to me), nationalism and feminism plain and clearly. I never thought "nah, this guy cannot join the game, too [woke/nazi]" as that trait is never brought up so strongly to be a factor of exclusion. It isn't a factor, your barman or the one conducting the bus can be lefty/righty and you'll never know...
      My fear, and my doubt, is that there's an uncanny social tension oversea I cannot relate to. And it's  bad, most of RPG industry is USA based.

      So really I feel dazed. I should defend left-oriented ideologies, but it look they are doing bad, so I have to agree on the WRONG term with some right-oriented guy that to me should totally change ideals, but in a context that to me is not anything proficient for politics?

      WTF, how woke and Trump and Twitter complicated my life T_T...

      To be fair, I will not buy anything. Just self made homebrew and that's all.

      Long story short, a lot of these companies are run by people who would describe themselves as left though sometimes we call them far left because they have went well beyond the point of rational thought. The whole left/right idea or liberal/conservative names are pretty meaningless considering neither one is what they started out to be.

      The reason for this list is a few reasons, the first being of course that some of us are tired of being preached to regardless if we agree or not. Another is the constant subversion of things we enjoy with subtle or not so subtle jabs being actually written into the books. Gender, race or orientation swapping characters we already know (see legend of the 5 rings) or having obvious stand ins for current politics (like this bbeg is clearly supposed to be Trump or <insert guy or policy here>) or more absurd things like the combat wheelchair. The biggest reason however is the open hatred and tribalism we are seeing where a difference of opinion on how to handle something like immigration or the best way to handle the pandemic turns into "I hate you, and you are wrong for existing"

      Here in the states at least this takes the form of just calling people out or telling them off on the internet, to posting peoples personally identifiable information such as home address and where they work, to interfering with the businesses of others (like the GamerGate card game that Evil Hat got pulled off of dtrpg or like Oriental Adventures which some guy named Kwan tried to get removed), i've
      personally seen people calling someones job and trying to get them fired, death threats etc.

      So this is about two things, the first is not being preached at because you dont always know before you buy the book. The second is just not giving business to people who actually hate you and want to cause you real harm. Not "I read somewhere" but having watched them do real harm to real people.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 25, 2021, 01:46:33 PM
      So this is about two things, the first is not being preached at because you dont always know before you buy the book. The second is just not giving business to people who actually hate you and want to cause you real harm. Not "I read somewhere" but having watched them do real harm to real people.

      This I totally agree with this. Fuck any preachy bastard, full stop, and I'm not going to support people I don't like. They are free to do it to me as well.

      When you say SJW doing 'real harm' in what context (in the sphere of rpgs). Are you just referring to cancel culture?
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 25, 2021, 01:51:45 PM
      So this is about two things, the first is not being preached at because you dont always know before you buy the book. The second is just not giving business to people who actually hate you and want to cause you real harm. Not "I read somewhere" but having watched them do real harm to real people.

      This I totally agree with this. Fuck any preachy bastard, full stop, and I'm not going to support people I don't like. They are free to do it to me as well.

      When you say SJW doing 'real harm' in what context (in the sphere of rpgs). Are you just referring to cancel culture?

      Was referring to going after peoples jobs and livelihoods. So cancel culture is probably included with interrupting livelihood but also getting people fired, attacking them on the street, death threats, doxxing, etc.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 25, 2021, 02:02:34 PM
      Was referring to going after peoples jobs and livelihoods. So cancel culture is probably included with interrupting livelihood but also getting people fired, attacking them on the street, death threats, doxxing, etc.

      Cheers for the clarification.

      Well, in that context it seems to be a very legitimate concern. Fucking with people's livelihoods (I mean by actively going out of their way just to hurt someone and their family) because you don't 'like them' or because they vote differently from you is a vile concept. This is not how old school lefties, like myself think. This is defintly a nu ultra left ideology and concept.
       
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: RPGPundit on August 25, 2021, 09:24:27 PM
      -Removing alignment

      -removing racial characteristics and essentially turning every character into either a human or a human-in-cosplay with no distinctions

      -destroying the concept of archetypes and myth

      -the entire setting is 21st century seattle with magic

      -Mandatory session zero and rules that make the most demanding or politically activist player able to hold the entire rest of the gaming group hostage to their demands in the named of "social justice"


      I would say these are not small things.

      And the Candlekeep book was worse than tasha's. And Woke Ravenloft was worse than Candlekeep.

      Do you see where this is going?




       

         Do you feel these movements in their tone have been accelerating?   I have no idea how most of the gang running WOTC think, I do know Crawford's point of view, because I do not think he can talk for more than a minute and not tell me.   Do you think this is him, or all of them, or just sort of a let the inmates run the asylum?

      It is obviously accelerating with each WoTC product. I'm pretty sure that most of the WoTC employees are now SJWs.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: palaeomerus on August 25, 2021, 11:39:34 PM
      #AllDrowAreBastards ?
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: King Tyranno on August 26, 2021, 04:44:36 AM
      -Removing alignment

      -removing racial characteristics and essentially turning every character into either a human or a human-in-cosplay with no distinctions

      -destroying the concept of archetypes and myth

      -the entire setting is 21st century seattle with magic

      -Mandatory session zero and rules that make the most demanding or politically activist player able to hold the entire rest of the gaming group hostage to their demands in the named of "social justice"


      I would say these are not small things.

      And the Candlekeep book was worse than tasha's. And Woke Ravenloft was worse than Candlekeep.

      Do you see where this is going?




       

         Do you feel these movements in their tone have been accelerating?   I have no idea how most of the gang running WOTC think, I do know Crawford's point of view, because I do not think he can talk for more than a minute and not tell me.   Do you think this is him, or all of them, or just sort of a let the inmates run the asylum?

      It is obviously accelerating with each WoTC product. I'm pretty sure that most of the WoTC employees are now SJWs.

      I don't know a single sane person who looks at a wheelchair bound cripple and thinks "Wow that sounds like a valid character for my fantasy RPG. Not even a cool mecha wheelchair with guns and rockets and shit. Just a strong ramen of colour who don't need no man or working legs to kill that beholder." And that includes actual cripples that I know. RPGs are an escape from disability. Not an enabler of disability.

      So yes. WotC are obnoxiously pozzed. Denying this is lunacy. Saying it won;t affect anyone is also lunacy.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ka'arl Sorcerer of Cha'alt on August 26, 2021, 05:50:17 AM
      You folks are missing one part of this here equation.*Spits in piton*

      D&D 5E does fine with wheelchair bound heroes or quadriplegic hero's or even full coma bound heroes.

      Just the sheer act of breathing is enough to destroy Vecna or Tiamat or any other big ol Boss.

      By building overpowered PC's and underpowered npc's we have finally managed to bring a equality of outcomes to the world of role playing games. It doesn't matter what you roll or who you are or really even how your built and tactics used all wotc characters are winners!

      Your Welcome!

      SJW Advanced WOTC Team Member


      *I am a bit too proud of this one lol it's not even 6AM and I made myself laugh out loud!
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 09:02:59 AM
      -Removing alignment

      -removing racial characteristics and essentially turning every character into either a human or a human-in-cosplay with no distinctions

      -destroying the concept of archetypes and myth

      -the entire setting is 21st century seattle with magic

      -Mandatory session zero and rules that make the most demanding or politically activist player able to hold the entire rest of the gaming group hostage to their demands in the named of "social justice"


      I would say these are not small things.

      And the Candlekeep book was worse than tasha's. And Woke Ravenloft was worse than Candlekeep.

      Do you see where this is going?




       

         Do you feel these movements in their tone have been accelerating?   I have no idea how most of the gang running WOTC think, I do know Crawford's point of view, because I do not think he can talk for more than a minute and not tell me.   Do you think this is him, or all of them, or just sort of a let the inmates run the asylum?

      It is obviously accelerating with each WoTC product. I'm pretty sure that most of the WoTC employees are now SJWs.

      I don't know a single sane person who looks at a wheelchair bound cripple and thinks "Wow that sounds like a valid character for my fantasy RPG. Not even a cool mecha wheelchair with guns and rockets and shit. Just a strong ramen of colour who don't need no man or working legs to kill that beholder." And that includes actual cripples that I know. RPGs are an escape from disability. Not an enabler of disability.

      So yes. WotC are obnoxiously pozzed. Denying this is lunacy. Saying it won;t affect anyone is also lunacy.

         I could see a character like Raveneor being viable as a player character (in the right system, GURPS or SW) and he is encased in a hover chair and completely crippled physically....BUT the guy has what appear to be at times, insane psychic powers and is by a long ways the most power character in his warband.   Given 40K is sci fantasy and not fantasy I agree with you to a large degree.  I could see a game where a PC becomes crippled and tries to find ways around it (a wizard who then gets some sort of magical conveyance) that could make for creating challenges and character development that might not otherwise be there, but to create a character with serious handicaps is not likely to be my player's cup of tea.  I could see them sticking with a character they have played for a long time through some sort of crippling injury (we mostly play GURPS, and in the fallout setting they play in, that is a very, very real possibility) but that is not really the same as attempting to make a crippled condition on par with people without that condition.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ghostmaker on August 26, 2021, 09:19:22 AM
      -Removing alignment

      -removing racial characteristics and essentially turning every character into either a human or a human-in-cosplay with no distinctions

      -destroying the concept of archetypes and myth

      -the entire setting is 21st century seattle with magic

      -Mandatory session zero and rules that make the most demanding or politically activist player able to hold the entire rest of the gaming group hostage to their demands in the named of "social justice"


      I would say these are not small things.

      And the Candlekeep book was worse than tasha's. And Woke Ravenloft was worse than Candlekeep.

      Do you see where this is going?




       

         Do you feel these movements in their tone have been accelerating?   I have no idea how most of the gang running WOTC think, I do know Crawford's point of view, because I do not think he can talk for more than a minute and not tell me.   Do you think this is him, or all of them, or just sort of a let the inmates run the asylum?

      It is obviously accelerating with each WoTC product. I'm pretty sure that most of the WoTC employees are now SJWs.

      I don't know a single sane person who looks at a wheelchair bound cripple and thinks "Wow that sounds like a valid character for my fantasy RPG. Not even a cool mecha wheelchair with guns and rockets and shit. Just a strong ramen of colour who don't need no man or working legs to kill that beholder." And that includes actual cripples that I know. RPGs are an escape from disability. Not an enabler of disability.

      So yes. WotC are obnoxiously pozzed. Denying this is lunacy. Saying it won;t affect anyone is also lunacy.

         I could see a character like Raveneor being viable as a player character (in the right system, GURPS or SW) and he is encased in a hover chair and completely crippled physically....BUT the guy has what appear to be at times, insane psychic powers and is by a long ways the most power character in his warband.   Given 40K is sci fantasy and not fantasy I agree with you to a large degree.  I could see a game where a PC becomes crippled and tries to find ways around it (a wizard who then gets some sort of magical conveyance) that could make for creating challenges and character development that might not otherwise be there, but to create a character with serious handicaps is not likely to be my player's cup of tea.  I could see them sticking with a character they have played for a long time through some sort of crippling injury (we mostly play GURPS, and in the fallout setting they play in, that is a very, very real possibility) but that is not really the same as attempting to make a crippled condition on par with people without that condition.
      Ravenor is not an RPG character. He is the primary protagonist of a series of novels, so the comparison isn't exactly accurate. Plot armor, drama, etc.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 09:47:47 AM
      -Removing alignment

      -removing racial characteristics and essentially turning every character into either a human or a human-in-cosplay with no distinctions

      -destroying the concept of archetypes and myth

      -the entire setting is 21st century seattle with magic

      -Mandatory session zero and rules that make the most demanding or politically activist player able to hold the entire rest of the gaming group hostage to their demands in the named of "social justice"


      I would say these are not small things.

      And the Candlekeep book was worse than tasha's. And Woke Ravenloft was worse than Candlekeep.

      Do you see where this is going?




       

         Do you feel these movements in their tone have been accelerating?   I have no idea how most of the gang running WOTC think, I do know Crawford's point of view, because I do not think he can talk for more than a minute and not tell me.   Do you think this is him, or all of them, or just sort of a let the inmates run the asylum?

      It is obviously accelerating with each WoTC product. I'm pretty sure that most of the WoTC employees are now SJWs.

      I don't know a single sane person who looks at a wheelchair bound cripple and thinks "Wow that sounds like a valid character for my fantasy RPG. Not even a cool mecha wheelchair with guns and rockets and shit. Just a strong ramen of colour who don't need no man or working legs to kill that beholder." And that includes actual cripples that I know. RPGs are an escape from disability. Not an enabler of disability.

      So yes. WotC are obnoxiously pozzed. Denying this is lunacy. Saying it won;t affect anyone is also lunacy.

         I could see a character like Raveneor being viable as a player character (in the right system, GURPS or SW) and he is encased in a hover chair and completely crippled physically....BUT the guy has what appear to be at times, insane psychic powers and is by a long ways the most power character in his warband.   Given 40K is sci fantasy and not fantasy I agree with you to a large degree.  I could see a game where a PC becomes crippled and tries to find ways around it (a wizard who then gets some sort of magical conveyance) that could make for creating challenges and character development that might not otherwise be there, but to create a character with serious handicaps is not likely to be my player's cup of tea.  I could see them sticking with a character they have played for a long time through some sort of crippling injury (we mostly play GURPS, and in the fallout setting they play in, that is a very, very real possibility) but that is not really the same as attempting to make a crippled condition on par with people without that condition.
      Ravenor is not an RPG character. He is the primary protagonist of a series of novels, so the comparison isn't exactly accurate. Plot armor, drama, etc.

         He could be however.  Conan is not an rpg character either, yet is heavily modeled in many RPGs.  I said I can see a character with that set of abilities being a PC, so I think it is exactly accurate.   As to plot armor, shit some GMs give PCs plot armor. 
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 27, 2021, 09:41:30 AM
      I was thinking of starting a new thread for this with the most up to date list, or maybe just include a link to a google docs or something so I can modify the list at any point without worrying about having to edit the original post.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ghostmaker on August 27, 2021, 10:39:21 AM
      I was thinking of starting a new thread for this with the most up to date list, or maybe just include a link to a google docs or something so I can modify the list at any point without worrying about having to edit the original post.
      Might not be a bad idea.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Pat on August 27, 2021, 12:42:23 PM
      Either a google sheet or just continually reposting the latest list in this thread would work. Get one of the admins to put a note to that effect (or link for a sheet) in the first post, and you're golden.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Svenhelgrim on August 27, 2021, 10:03:19 PM
      I personally wouldn't consider anti Trump sentiments a viable reason not to buy a product. I'm more against the overly politically correct and the brow beating of, 'you must play our way', and the censorship of art, etc.

      The list isn’t there to tell you what to buy, or what not to buy.  The list is there to tell you if the crators of a specific game hate you and want to see you put in camps or killed. 

      You make your own decisions.

      Regarding TDS: as others have stated, it’s not about Trump so much as banning people who supported or voted for him.  It is a political attack.  So those companies that do that should get listed as Red.  Also cons and other game forums, like This one:

      https://mashable.com/article/rpgnet-forum-bans-trump-support?amp
      What a fucking load of nonsense.  The "hate you and want to see you killed" is moronic fear mongering designed to sway idiots (and it seems to gain a lot of traction here). What this list really does is allow posters to virtue signal, just like those on the other side do. It's all rather pathetic tribalism among basement dwellers.

      Ladies and gentlemen may I present to you exhibit A: The Tolerant Leftist

      No, every conservative should lose their life.

      That blessed reality is too difficult to achieve in an ethical fashion. Both finding a method specific enough to be ethical and a method that does not corrupt the performers. You asshole pro-life chanting, child murderers are not worth the air you breathe. Regardless of whatever stupid twisted faux logic you decide to replace peer reviewed science with. Conservatives losing their jobs is woefully short of what they actually deserve.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: HappyDaze on August 28, 2021, 09:20:26 AM
      I personally wouldn't consider anti Trump sentiments a viable reason not to buy a product. I'm more against the overly politically correct and the brow beating of, 'you must play our way', and the censorship of art, etc.

      The list isn’t there to tell you what to buy, or what not to buy.  The list is there to tell you if the crators of a specific game hate you and want to see you put in camps or killed. 

      You make your own decisions.

      Regarding TDS: as others have stated, it’s not about Trump so much as banning people who supported or voted for him.  It is a political attack.  So those companies that do that should get listed as Red.  Also cons and other game forums, like This one:

      https://mashable.com/article/rpgnet-forum-bans-trump-support?amp
      What a fucking load of nonsense.  The "hate you and want to see you killed" is moronic fear mongering designed to sway idiots (and it seems to gain a lot of traction here). What this list really does is allow posters to virtue signal, just like those on the other side do. It's all rather pathetic tribalism among basement dwellers.

      Ladies and gentlemen may I present to you exhibit A: The Tolerant Leftist

      No, every conservative should lose their life.

      That blessed reality is too difficult to achieve in an ethical fashion. Both finding a method specific enough to be ethical and a method that does not corrupt the performers. You asshole pro-life chanting, child murderers are not worth the air you breathe. Regardless of whatever stupid twisted faux logic you decide to replace peer reviewed science with. Conservatives losing their jobs is woefully short of what they actually deserve.
      Fools exist along every point of the political spectrum. Don't confuse a line gunman idiot with a movement.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: RPGPundit on August 28, 2021, 10:01:04 AM
      I was thinking of starting a new thread for this with the most up to date list, or maybe just include a link to a google docs or something so I can modify the list at any point without worrying about having to edit the original post.

      You could start a new thread, which would then be closed and pinned, once you have what you feel is a relatively complete list. You could post the list as a post, and also link to google docs. If you later update the google docs list significantly, we can replace the thread.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: RPGPundit on August 28, 2021, 08:47:55 PM
      Bringing to your attention: Spanish antifa-gamers took note of this thread, and apparently forgot I'm Latino and can read them.

      They are super insistent that the publisher of Forbidden Lands (Free League) should actually be in the red. Though since they're all communists I wouldn't trust their word on it.

      https://twitter.com/agburanar/status/1431522425787748353
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: palaeomerus on August 28, 2021, 10:43:56 PM
      Well shit. Forbidden Worlds was good and Mutant wasn't a bad take on the old BRP Gamma World in Sweden thing. I guess Coriolis is alright though to me it felt like West asian/north African Muslim Influenced Firefly with a lot of DUNE stuff poured over the top. Felt very fuzzy like they wanted players and GMs to provide most of the detail.  I just read through the core book though and might have missed a lot.

      Never looked into the Things from the Loop or Tails from the Flood because at the time it looked very Stranger Things derivative. I don't find the idea of "unsupervised preteen kids on bikes with free time getting into adventure" exotic at all. I lived it Dottie. Sure there were no robots or time dilation but we fished disc golf stuff out of creeks and looked for fossils and caught people screwing in the woods and got chased by dogs and occasionally an unstable hobo or two.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ghostmaker on August 29, 2021, 04:34:06 PM
      Bringing to your attention: Spanish antifa-gamers took note of this thread, and apparently forgot I'm Latino and can read them.

      They are super insistent that the publisher of Forbidden Lands (Free League) should actually be in the red. Though since they're all communists I wouldn't trust their word on it.

      https://twitter.com/agburanar/status/1431522425787748353
      Do they have anything tangible to support this, or are they just 'trust us it's bad'!
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Terry LMD on August 30, 2021, 03:52:11 AM
      Hello ... first post. I was brought here by RPG Pundit's discussion of this very thread on the most recent broadcast of Inappropriate Characters.

      For your consideration to be added to the GREEN group:

      - Columbia Games (makers of HarnWorld and HarnMaster RPG products, Wizard-Kings, and several classic and historically accurate block-style wargames)


      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: RPGPundit on August 30, 2021, 09:50:07 AM
      Hello ... first post. I was brought here by RPG Pundit's discussion of this very thread on the most recent broadcast of Inappropriate Characters.

      For your consideration to be added to the GREEN group:

      - Columbia Games (makers of HarnWorld and HarnMaster RPG products, Wizard-Kings, and several classic and historically accurate block-style wargames)

      Yeah, the guys at Columbia Games have always been pretty friendly.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 30, 2021, 11:45:43 AM
      Hello ... first post. I was brought here by RPG Pundit's discussion of this very thread on the most recent broadcast of Inappropriate Characters.

      For your consideration to be added to the GREEN group:

      - Columbia Games (makers of HarnWorld and HarnMaster RPG products, Wizard-Kings, and several classic and historically accurate block-style wargames)

      Welcome!, almost ready to actually post this up for easer access for sticky. I backed one of the Harnworld city books for a dollar just to check it out. Never got as into it as I would like but definitely didnt seem woke.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 30, 2021, 11:48:02 AM
      Updated List

      Green
      Not Woke or Indifferent

      Yellow
      Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke



      Red
      Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.

      This is so far the most up to date version of the list.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Godsmonkey on August 30, 2021, 02:53:04 PM

      Updated List

      Green
      Not Woke or Indifferent
      • RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
      • Troll Lord Games (Castles and Crusades/Siege Engine) Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
      • Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
      • Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
      • Autarch/ACKS Definitely not woke
      • Necrotic Gnome (Old School Essentials) Makes a point to be apolitical
      • Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products
      • OSRIC Hasn't given any indication of getting political
      • Whitebox: FMAG No indication of getting poltical
      • Goblinoid Games (Labyrinth Lord) No indication of getting political
      • Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
      • Post Mortem Studios (Tales of Gor, Punk RPG, Grimdark) Visit the storefront, can't imagine them giving a shit what people think
      • Palladium Does what they have always done, make gonzo worlds
      • North Wind Adventures (Astonishing Swordsman and Sorcerers of Hyperborea) Hired some woke artist, but otherwise seems faithful to AD&D. Doesnt Appear to get preachy
      • Kort'thalis Publishing/Venger Satanis (Alpha Blue, Cha'alt) Anti SJW
      • Peterson Games (Cthulhu Mythos among others) They tried to cancel him for thinking that men shouldn't compete in women's sports. Seems like a genuinely nice dude
      • Riot Minds (Trudvang, Lex Occultum) Does not appear to be political, you can get their proprietary system or the D&D adaptation or adopt the setting to your own system. It's a beautiful setting with outstanding artwork.
      • Lamentations of the Flame Princess Edgelords, cannot be contained. They were on the receiving end of the cancel mob and twiterati for a while.
      • For Gold and Glory Nothing to suggest going woke, seems indifferent.
      • Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper) Indifferent
      • Sine Nomine (Scarlet Heroes, Stars Without Number Indifferent
      • Symbaroum Haven't seen anything political from them
      • Schwalb Entertainment (Shadow of the Demon Lord) They bent the knee a while back and put a pro BLM message though it has been taken down since, so they get to be green for now. More information is needed
      • Columbia Games (Harnworld, Harnmaster, Block War Games) Aims for historical realism based on the medieval period. They don't appear to be political at all and just trying to make a historical experience.

      Yellow
      Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke

      • Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) Giving them the benefit of the doubt for now unless someone shows otherwise but this was posted last year https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/ (https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/)
      • Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
      • Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
      • Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
      • Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands
      • Monte Cook Games Poor Monte, used to make some good stuff. Tends to push things like consent forms in gaming, some stuff on mental illness but otherwise panders
      • Mongoose Games Had a don't be a dick section in paranoia, recommended by poster. Open for debate whether yellow or green
      • Modiphious Publishes some woke products, but doesn't seem to only publish woke products
      • Pinnacle Entertainment (Savage Worlds/Deadlands) Removed the CSA from Deadlands and removed a lot of the old art that might offend anyone particuarly anything with partial nudity or more risque outfits. Also made sure there weren't "too many white guys" in their core rulebook. Still pretty solid but they pander or cave to demands occasionally
      • Hero Games Hires sensitivity readers
      • GURPs/Steve Jackson Games Banned by rpg net for not being woke, though some of the devs might be. Steven Jackson signed onto october surprise, so he did come down with a case of TDS
      • Free League Standard "Gaming is for everyone" spiel, could go either way. Published forbidden lands, which slips in some anti woke themes. Yellow leaning Green
      • Atlas Games (Ars Magica) President of Atlas-Games has total TDS and is another blue checkmark. Unsure of how badly it shows in there games. For now its yellow bordering on red.
      • Edge Studios Acquired all of FFG rpg line, they toe the standard line and employ quite a few hardcore sjws
      • Reaper Miniatures Had some drama about an employee getting into a fight with some antifa sympathizer. Read this and make up your own mind https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6txuht/reaper_miniatures_may_have_fired_a_guy_for_shit/
      • Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Partnered with Diogo Nogueira. Moved here from red but has a strong relationship with Diogo as far as I know but I can't find examples of them actually doing anything wrong other than that.
      • Heroforge Miniatures They pander hard, are not overt about it but i'm sure they will do something stupid soon.


      Red
      Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
      • Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
      • Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
      • Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
      • Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
      • Renegade Game Studios/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
      • Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
      • New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
      • Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
      • Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
      • Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
      • Ockult Ortmastare Games/Stockholm Cartell (Mork Borg) - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters
      • Sigil Stone Publishing (Five Torches Deep) Just read the last page in FTD Origins. Titled: "BIOESSENTIALISM, RACISM, AND COLONIALISM
      • Pelgraine Press (13th Age)  "The thing about SWGs (Straight White Guys) is that they make great punching bags. " Still need a citation for this but for now its going red. Also published #Feminism
      • Kobold Press Guide to game mastering has a whole section telling the reader to "check your privilege"
      • The Design Mechanism ( Released a video stating if you voted for a certain political candidate you're not welcome to buy their game. They since deleted the video 
      • Monte Cook Games (Numenera) Partners with Shanna Germain and wrote consent in gaming. Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red
      • Arcanist Press Only make diversity products, they based their company on being woke
      • Gencon A convention, but honorary assholes none the less. They go a bit ban happy, see Jeremy Hambley and the whole thing with "nu-tsr" despite being short lived.
      • Coyote & Crow Bunch of actual racists making a racist game. Screeching about colonization and the whole premise of their game is what if white people didn't exist. One of the worst offenders on this list.
      • Magpie Games (Avatar Legends RPG) Way into BLM and "Diversity and Inclusion, also hired Daniel Kwan from Asians Represent Youtube channel. They tried to get Oriental Adventures banned from one bookshelf and other storefronts. Markets their game as non western storytelling.
      • Old Skull Publishing  Diogo Nogueira who threatened to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
      • Games Workshop (Warhammer 40k, Age of Sigmar, Warhammer Fantasy) IP owners and miniature producers since we are including those for right now. Honorary Dingdong, crimes include general shittyness, going after people for copyright for material they themselves have stolen or "borrowed" and other scummy business practices. They drank the kool-aid a while ago and have actually attacked fans of the franchise for wrongthink. Cool universe, but don't give em money if you dont have to. Chinacast, 3d printing, etc
      • Wizkids Puts the pronouns of their models on the boxes now, also partnered with hasbro
      • Arc Knight Publishing (Delta Green) Delta Green Handlers guide has a whole section on Trump. They are actually more hostile to Trump than actual historical nazis.

      This is so far the most up to date version of the list.

      Just a heads up. Monty Cook is on both the Yellow and Red lists. Is this intentional? They seem VERY RED to me.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 30, 2021, 03:01:30 PM

      Updated List

      Green
      Not Woke or Indifferent
      • RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
      • Troll Lord Games (Castles and Crusades/Siege Engine) Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
      • Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
      • Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
      • Autarch/ACKS Definitely not woke
      • Necrotic Gnome (Old School Essentials) Makes a point to be apolitical
      • Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products
      • OSRIC Hasn't given any indication of getting political
      • Whitebox: FMAG No indication of getting poltical
      • Goblinoid Games (Labyrinth Lord) No indication of getting political
      • Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
      • Post Mortem Studios (Tales of Gor, Punk RPG, Grimdark) Visit the storefront, can't imagine them giving a shit what people think
      • Palladium Does what they have always done, make gonzo worlds
      • North Wind Adventures (Astonishing Swordsman and Sorcerers of Hyperborea) Hired some woke artist, but otherwise seems faithful to AD&D. Doesnt Appear to get preachy
      • Kort'thalis Publishing/Venger Satanis (Alpha Blue, Cha'alt) Anti SJW
      • Peterson Games (Cthulhu Mythos among others) They tried to cancel him for thinking that men shouldn't compete in women's sports. Seems like a genuinely nice dude
      • Riot Minds (Trudvang, Lex Occultum) Does not appear to be political, you can get their proprietary system or the D&D adaptation or adopt the setting to your own system. It's a beautiful setting with outstanding artwork.
      • Lamentations of the Flame Princess Edgelords, cannot be contained. They were on the receiving end of the cancel mob and twiterati for a while.
      • For Gold and Glory Nothing to suggest going woke, seems indifferent.
      • Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper) Indifferent
      • Sine Nomine (Scarlet Heroes, Stars Without Number Indifferent
      • Symbaroum Haven't seen anything political from them
      • Schwalb Entertainment (Shadow of the Demon Lord) They bent the knee a while back and put a pro BLM message though it has been taken down since, so they get to be green for now. More information is needed
      • Columbia Games (Harnworld, Harnmaster, Block War Games) Aims for historical realism based on the medieval period. They don't appear to be political at all and just trying to make a historical experience.

      Yellow
      Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke

      • Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) Giving them the benefit of the doubt for now unless someone shows otherwise but this was posted last year https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/ (https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/)
      • Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
      • Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
      • Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
      • Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands
      • Monte Cook Games Poor Monte, used to make some good stuff. Tends to push things like consent forms in gaming, some stuff on mental illness but otherwise panders
      • Mongoose Games Had a don't be a dick section in paranoia, recommended by poster. Open for debate whether yellow or green
      • Modiphious Publishes some woke products, but doesn't seem to only publish woke products
      • Pinnacle Entertainment (Savage Worlds/Deadlands) Removed the CSA from Deadlands and removed a lot of the old art that might offend anyone particuarly anything with partial nudity or more risque outfits. Also made sure there weren't "too many white guys" in their core rulebook. Still pretty solid but they pander or cave to demands occasionally
      • Hero Games Hires sensitivity readers
      • GURPs/Steve Jackson Games Banned by rpg net for not being woke, though some of the devs might be. Steven Jackson signed onto october surprise, so he did come down with a case of TDS
      • Free League Standard "Gaming is for everyone" spiel, could go either way. Published forbidden lands, which slips in some anti woke themes. Yellow leaning Green
      • Atlas Games (Ars Magica) President of Atlas-Games has total TDS and is another blue checkmark. Unsure of how badly it shows in there games. For now its yellow bordering on red.
      • Edge Studios Acquired all of FFG rpg line, they toe the standard line and employ quite a few hardcore sjws
      • Reaper Miniatures Had some drama about an employee getting into a fight with some antifa sympathizer. Read this and make up your own mind https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6txuht/reaper_miniatures_may_have_fired_a_guy_for_shit/
      • Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Partnered with Diogo Nogueira. Moved here from red but has a strong relationship with Diogo as far as I know but I can't find examples of them actually doing anything wrong other than that.
      • Heroforge Miniatures They pander hard, are not overt about it but i'm sure they will do something stupid soon.


      Red
      Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
      • Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
      • Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
      • Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
      • Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
      • Renegade Game Studios/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
      • Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
      • New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
      • Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
      • Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
      • Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
      • Ockult Ortmastare Games/Stockholm Cartell (Mork Borg) - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters
      • Sigil Stone Publishing (Five Torches Deep) Just read the last page in FTD Origins. Titled: "BIOESSENTIALISM, RACISM, AND COLONIALISM
      • Pelgraine Press (13th Age)  "The thing about SWGs (Straight White Guys) is that they make great punching bags. " Still need a citation for this but for now its going red. Also published #Feminism
      • Kobold Press Guide to game mastering has a whole section telling the reader to "check your privilege"
      • The Design Mechanism ( Released a video stating if you voted for a certain political candidate you're not welcome to buy their game. They since deleted the video 
      • Monte Cook Games (Numenera) Partners with Shanna Germain and wrote consent in gaming. Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red
      • Arcanist Press Only make diversity products, they based their company on being woke
      • Gencon A convention, but honorary assholes none the less. They go a bit ban happy, see Jeremy Hambley and the whole thing with "nu-tsr" despite being short lived.
      • Coyote & Crow Bunch of actual racists making a racist game. Screeching about colonization and the whole premise of their game is what if white people didn't exist. One of the worst offenders on this list.
      • Magpie Games (Avatar Legends RPG) Way into BLM and "Diversity and Inclusion, also hired Daniel Kwan from Asians Represent Youtube channel. They tried to get Oriental Adventures banned from one bookshelf and other storefronts. Markets their game as non western storytelling.
      • Old Skull Publishing  Diogo Nogueira who threatened to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
      • Games Workshop (Warhammer 40k, Age of Sigmar, Warhammer Fantasy) IP owners and miniature producers since we are including those for right now. Honorary Dingdong, crimes include general shittyness, going after people for copyright for material they themselves have stolen or "borrowed" and other scummy business practices. They drank the kool-aid a while ago and have actually attacked fans of the franchise for wrongthink. Cool universe, but don't give em money if you dont have to. Chinacast, 3d printing, etc
      • Wizkids Puts the pronouns of their models on the boxes now, also partnered with hasbro
      • Arc Knight Publishing (Delta Green) Delta Green Handlers guide has a whole section on Trump. They are actually more hostile to Trump than actual historical nazis.

      This is so far the most up to date version of the list.

      Just a heads up. Monty Cook is on both the Yellow and Red lists. Is this intentional? They seem VERY RED to me.

      Nice catch, no they’re red. I’ll remove from yellow
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: WayneThePayne on August 30, 2021, 04:29:25 PM
      I get that the political video was cringe, but given that Lawrence Whitaker (Loz) posts here on theRPGsite (and not just to advertise, but to engage with customers), I'm not sure The Design Mechanism belongs in the red. There are far worse offenders listed in the yellow.

      It's unfortunate that they cringeposted, but they take their craft very seriously, and seem like normal, friendly people. I may be out of the loop, but that's been my impression, judging from podcasts and interviews (and the fact that Loz is happy to post here), and is one of the reasons I picked up Mythras.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: oggsmash on August 30, 2021, 05:08:19 PM
      I get that the political video was cringe, but given that Lawrence Whitaker (Loz) posts here on theRPGsite (and not just to advertise, but to engage with customers), I'm not sure The Design Mechanism belongs in the red. There are far worse offenders listed in the yellow.

      It's unfortunate that they cringeposted, but they take their craft very seriously, and seem like normal, friendly people. I may be out of the loop, but that's been my impression, judging from podcasts and interviews (and the fact that Loz is happy to post here), and is one of the reasons I picked up Mythras.

         I can accept them removing the video to be honest, and I do not get a whiff of the SJW vibe from their books.  I personally am not looking to burn people down for ideas about who should vote for who.  I do think those are things we can keep to ourselves, and in their favor, they do not seem to sacrifice quality of their books for the sake of some trumpeted political position.   Reality is I do not ask for much more than that, do not pronounce hate for me because of who I did or did not vote for (which is insane, I have friends who have never voted as I have in the past) and do not shoehorn some bullshit into your materials to make sure everyone knows you are shining brightly with the "correct" political stances.     That is really about all I ask to not be removed from a buying option for me.   

         I agree with you though, I have never seen what I would call overt politics in their books (and honestly, unless the creators/authors are really politically toxic, I dont much give a fuck who they vote for) and I do like their stuff (at least what of it I have).
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: SvebianFeels on August 30, 2021, 06:39:07 PM
      There are still a few I could think of ...

      Green

      Bastionland Press (Into the Odd/Electric Bastionland): Chris McDowal seems to keep his politicts to himself

      Questing Beast Games (Maze Rats/Knave): He and his creative output stay clear of politics afaik

      False Machine (veins of the earth/Deep carbon observatory/maze of the blue medusa): Patrick Stuart worked with Zak S before but stays away from   politics

      Hydra Cooperative (Slumbering Ursine Dunes/Misty Isles of the Eld): Some of their creators like Chris Kutalik are Woke DSA members+antifa supporters but I can't remember noticing in their work.

      Yellow

      Ulisses (The Dark Eye/ german Pathfinder): Since it was mentioned during the show. They are clearly progressive and have started changing the 30 y.o. setting of The Dark Eye (made important leaders female, gave formerly stereotypical jungle tribes a Wakanda-like backstory etc.). In typical german fashion they lag a couple of years behind the political developements in the US though.

      A Thousand Thousand Islands (eponymous zine series): Zedeck Siew has a big chip on his shoulder about colonialism in Southeast Asia and seems not too fond of westerners in general. His work is focuses on his own culture so I'd maybe give it a pass.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: HappyDaze on August 30, 2021, 06:46:40 PM
      There are still a few I could think of ...

      Green

      Bastionland Press (Into the Odd/Electric Bastionland): Chris McDowal seems to keep his politicts to himself

      Questing Beast Games (Maze Rats/Knave): He and his creative output stay clear of politics afaik

      False Machine (veins of the earth/Deep carbon observatory/maze of the blue medusa): Patrick Stuart worked with Zak S before but stays away from   politics

      Hydra Cooperative (Slumbering Ursine Dunes/Misty Isles of the Eld): Some of their creators like Chris Kutalik are Woke DSA members+antifa supporters but I can't remember noticing in their work.

      Yellow

      Ulisses (The Dark Eye/ german Pathfinder): Since it was mentioned during the show. They are clearly progressive and have started changing the 30 y.o. setting of The Dark Eye (made important leaders female, gave formerly stereotypical jungle tribes a Wakanda-like backstory etc.). In typical german fashion they lag a couple of years behind the political developements in the US though.

      A Thousand Thousand Islands (eponymous zine series): Zedeck Siew has a big chip on his shoulder about colonialism in Southeast Asia and seems not too fond of westerners in general. His work is focuses on his own culture so I'd maybe give it a pass.
      The Ulisses Spiel USA side that is putting out Torg Eternity (and that shit the bed with Wrath & Glory before it went to C7) seems to pride itself on being very progressive, much more so than the German side.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: oggsmash on August 30, 2021, 06:54:22 PM
      There are still a few I could think of ...

      Green

      Bastionland Press (Into the Odd/Electric Bastionland): Chris McDowal seems to keep his politicts to himself

      Questing Beast Games (Maze Rats/Knave): He and his creative output stay clear of politics afaik

      False Machine (veins of the earth/Deep carbon observatory/maze of the blue medusa): Patrick Stuart worked with Zak S before but stays away from   politics

      Hydra Cooperative (Slumbering Ursine Dunes/Misty Isles of the Eld): Some of their creators like Chris Kutalik are Woke DSA members+antifa supporters but I can't remember noticing in their work.

      Yellow

      Ulisses (The Dark Eye/ german Pathfinder): Since it was mentioned during the show. They are clearly progressive and have started changing the 30 y.o. setting of The Dark Eye (made important leaders female, gave formerly stereotypical jungle tribes a Wakanda-like backstory etc.). In typical german fashion they lag a couple of years behind the political developements in the US though.

      A Thousand Thousand Islands (eponymous zine series): Zedeck Siew has a big chip on his shoulder about colonialism in Southeast Asia and seems not too fond of westerners in general. His work is focuses on his own culture so I'd maybe give it a pass.
      The Ulisses Spiel USA side that is putting out Torg Eternity (and that shit the bed with Fortune & Glory before it went to C7) seems to pride itself on being very progressive, much more so than the German side.

        I have to honestly say i will boycott them just for Fortune and Glory.  Never do i think I have been so disappointed in a game as that shitbox.   I do not care what their politics are, if that was the best they could do with that license, they must really suck.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: HappyDaze on August 30, 2021, 07:03:40 PM
      There are still a few I could think of ...

      Green

      Bastionland Press (Into the Odd/Electric Bastionland): Chris McDowal seems to keep his politicts to himself

      Questing Beast Games (Maze Rats/Knave): He and his creative output stay clear of politics afaik

      False Machine (veins of the earth/Deep carbon observatory/maze of the blue medusa): Patrick Stuart worked with Zak S before but stays away from   politics

      Hydra Cooperative (Slumbering Ursine Dunes/Misty Isles of the Eld): Some of their creators like Chris Kutalik are Woke DSA members+antifa supporters but I can't remember noticing in their work.

      Yellow

      Ulisses (The Dark Eye/ german Pathfinder): Since it was mentioned during the show. They are clearly progressive and have started changing the 30 y.o. setting of The Dark Eye (made important leaders female, gave formerly stereotypical jungle tribes a Wakanda-like backstory etc.). In typical german fashion they lag a couple of years behind the political developements in the US though.

      A Thousand Thousand Islands (eponymous zine series): Zedeck Siew has a big chip on his shoulder about colonialism in Southeast Asia and seems not too fond of westerners in general. His work is focuses on his own culture so I'd maybe give it a pass.
      The Ulisses Spiel USA side that is putting out Torg Eternity (and that shit the bed with Fortune & Glory before it went to C7) seems to pride itself on being very progressive, much more so than the German side.

        I have to honestly say i will boycott them just for Fortune and Glory.  Never do i think I have been so disappointed in a game as that shitbox.   I do not care what their politics are, if that was the best they could do with that license, they must really suck.
      Um...my bad, that should have been Wrath and Glory (WH40K RPG).

      Fortune & Glory is a board game by...something frog games. I hate the game with a passion because it includes two things that should never co-occur in a board game: long player turns (10 minutes per player, 4-6 players) AND things that can make you lose a turn (sometimes repeatedly). This means you might go well over an hour without actually getting to play.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: oggsmash on August 30, 2021, 07:07:30 PM
      There are still a few I could think of ...

      Green

      Bastionland Press (Into the Odd/Electric Bastionland): Chris McDowal seems to keep his politicts to himself

      Questing Beast Games (Maze Rats/Knave): He and his creative output stay clear of politics afaik

      False Machine (veins of the earth/Deep carbon observatory/maze of the blue medusa): Patrick Stuart worked with Zak S before but stays away from   politics

      Hydra Cooperative (Slumbering Ursine Dunes/Misty Isles of the Eld): Some of their creators like Chris Kutalik are Woke DSA members+antifa supporters but I can't remember noticing in their work.

      Yellow

      Ulisses (The Dark Eye/ german Pathfinder): Since it was mentioned during the show. They are clearly progressive and have started changing the 30 y.o. setting of The Dark Eye (made important leaders female, gave formerly stereotypical jungle tribes a Wakanda-like backstory etc.). In typical german fashion they lag a couple of years behind the political developements in the US though.

      A Thousand Thousand Islands (eponymous zine series): Zedeck Siew has a big chip on his shoulder about colonialism in Southeast Asia and seems not too fond of westerners in general. His work is focuses on his own culture so I'd maybe give it a pass.
      The Ulisses Spiel USA side that is putting out Torg Eternity (and that shit the bed with Fortune & Glory before it went to C7) seems to pride itself on being very progressive, much more so than the German side.

        I have to honestly say i will boycott them just for Fortune and Glory.  Never do i think I have been so disappointed in a game as that shitbox.   I do not care what their politics are, if that was the best they could do with that license, they must really suck.
      Um...my bad, that should have been Wrath and Glory (WH40K RPG).

      Fortune & Glory is a board game by...something frog games. I hate the game with a passion because it includes two things that should never co-occur in a board game: long player turns (10 minutes per player, 4-6 players) AND things that can make you lose a turn (sometimes repeatedly). This means you might go well over an hour without actually getting to play.

        I got the gist, and it was Wrath and Glory i referred to.  I couldnt remember the game name ( I just remember glory, and the publisher) but I knew what you meant. 
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: RPGPundit on August 30, 2021, 09:22:20 PM

      A Thousand Thousand Islands (eponymous zine series): Zedeck Siew has a big chip on his shoulder about colonialism in Southeast Asia and seems not too fond of westerners in general. His work is focuses on his own culture so I'd maybe give it a pass.

      He doesn't deserve a pass. His stuff is communist and anti-western. He's engaged in attacks against me on twitter.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Thorn Drumheller on August 31, 2021, 12:02:14 AM
      I absolutely love this list. And while watching Inappropriate Characters I know the worry is it becomes a black list.....oh sorry can't say that.... it becomes a cancel list, I just really am looking at not supporting companies that truly hate me.

      I'll buy a product if it's really good and politics free. But I won't buy something from those who hate me or pander to the woke crowd (WotC is the poster child who will get eaten from within).
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Marchand on August 31, 2021, 02:21:14 AM
      Another nudge for a Green list for Far Future Enterprises, Marc Miller's current outfit that publishes Traveller 5th edition and legacy GDW stuff. I have never heard of Miller expressing SJW views.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Gagarth on August 31, 2021, 07:06:58 AM
      Chaosium
      Chaosium has Lynne Hardy who labelled Masks of Nyarlathotep as racist and therefore Larry DiTillo as racist also.  She did this while acting as Chaosium's political commissar on the 7e version of Masks the results of which were BLM supporting additions and gender and race swapping NPCs to conform to woke quotas.

      In the Berlin the Wicked City the author David Larkins states "This is all to say, having an LGBTQI investigator in the group is not only possible but probable" It also pushes the Gay fascism conspiracy theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_fascism. The default time is set in the early to mid 20s before the rise of the Nazis and Soviet organized street violence is down played to both side where at it. I am sure the above statements will garner an accusation that I am an Nazi by the usual leftest wankers like The Parker Shiter so here is my disclaimer.  Nazi's and all totalitarian socialists are assholes.  I have zero issue with LGBTI etc etc pc's but I do have issue with game company mandates on pcs based on ideology.   

      In RuneQuest Glorthana they are progressively removing white people. At first the Pelorians were to remain pale but given recent artwork I doubt that.  I think the only one that could still be white are Ygg Islanders who are a sort of Scandinavian   people.  But since the Opening of the  seas most of them have left the island as Wolf Pirates and have now thoroughly mixed with other cultures.  Cults (and game mechanics) have been rewritten to please the leftest females around Jeff Richards as well.

      I definitely think the Choasium is a border line Yellow/Red especially given them throwing Sandy Petersen under the bus on social media despite official response on this forum that Chaosium has people with wide ranging viewpoints that are supported by the company. What should tip them over is Pendragon 6e given that David Larkins is heading this up and there have been calls for all NPCS to be a 50%/50% gender split and it's a given that female knights will be mandated.

      I will dig out the Pelgrane Press references  later along with suggestions for Call of Cthulhu licensors
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Svenhelgrim on August 31, 2021, 07:57:37 AM
      I absolutely love this list. And while watching Inappropriate Characters I know the worry is it becomes a black list.....oh sorry can't say that.... it becomes a cancel list, I just really am looking at not supporting companies that truly hate me.

      I'll buy a product if it's really good and politics free. But I won't buy something from those who hate me or pander to the woke crowd (WotC is the poster child who will get eaten from within).

      I love this because the Left hates it.  The funny thing is, it works positively for both sides since if you are Wokeified, all you have to do is patronize the “red label” publishers, and avoid the green ones.

      But we all know that the Left disdains freedom of choice so it is hilarious to watch them squirm and squeal when they see how many people don’t choose what the Left wants.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: SvebianFeels on August 31, 2021, 08:51:33 AM

      A Thousand Thousand Islands (eponymous zine series): Zedeck Siew has a big chip on his shoulder about colonialism in Southeast Asia and seems not too fond of westerners in general. His work is focuses on his own culture so I'd maybe give it a pass.

      He doesn't deserve a pass. His stuff is communist and anti-western. He's engaged in attacks against me on twitter.

      What hurt more, when he called you a sad racist or when he dunked on your pipe smoker cred?
      I only read the first two zines so I don't know where you pulled the 'communist and anti-western' stuff from. Not that I would be overly surprised.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Gagarth on August 31, 2021, 09:08:17 AM
       Pelgrane Press

      Not sure why Pelgrane Press need the special requirement of exact citations to be on the list but anyway.

      "Straight White Guys make great  Punching Bags" comes from Cthulhu  Confidential thi has been discussed on this forum including replies from Pelgrane's Political Commisar.   

      In the Trail of Cthulhu scenario Dreaming of a better tomorrow for 30 dollars a month in Out of The Woods  a scenario set in Vermont Spivey states that to demonstrate how racist white people were at the time   White NPCs will focus their attacks on the black characters. Chris Spivey(more on him later) the author of this scenario's version of the  twenties is that the whole country had all of the so called  Jim Crow laws and every white person apart from leftests were full on card carrying members of the KKK.

      This one should really be for The Design Mechanism but the rules are Gumshoe and licensed by Pelgrane so I am sure if they didn't agree  with it they would have pull the licence.  In Casting the Runes a RPG based on the supernatural fiction of MR James the author Jerry Boucher has to say.

      "... Casting the Runes, by focusing on its strictly Jamesian fictional territory, is able to conveniently skip over the fact that its age of Edwardian equipoise was balanced on the backs of 412 million Imperial “citizens,” or 23% of the world’s population c. 1913."

      Of course he also postulates that M R James was gay. Something that is becoming all too common with leftest interpretations of historical figures if there wasn't vast quantities of evidence that they were straight then they were obviously gay.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: S'mon on August 31, 2021, 09:13:10 AM
      • Kobold Press Guide to game mastering has a whole section telling the reader to "check your privilege"

      I have three Kobold Press monster books, and a ton of adventures by them. Not seen anything woke in any of them, and KP have been attacked by SJWs for the several 'seductive female' type predator monsters in Tome of Beasts. If the only wokeness is in the one book then I'd suggest Yellow.

      Edit: This appears to be a book of essays "Featuring essays by Keith Baker, Wolfgang Baur, David “Zeb” Cook, Frank Mentzer, Shanna Germain, Monica Valentinelli, Steve Winter, and many other game professionals" - https://koboldpress.com/kpstore/product/kobold-guide-to-gamemastering/ - some of those people are wokesters, some aren't. You're likely to see a lot of difference in tone.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: S'mon on August 31, 2021, 09:22:57 AM
      Sasquatch Studio - not seen anything woke from them, Rich Baker seems a decent bloke. Suggest Green. http://www.sasquatchgamestudio.com/ Albeit they seem pretty dormant.

      Roll20 - the constant Support & Fund BLM https://blog.roll20.net/posts/black-lives-matter/ Buy Thirsty Swords Lesbians, etc announcements get pretty tiring. They seem in line with WoTC & Paizo. Suggest Red.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 31, 2021, 09:56:54 AM
      Made some updates to the last list post, removed monte cook from yellow since they appeared twice. Added in some of the mentioned suggestions with quotes. Also damn, I didn't realize chaosium fell that far down the shit hole. Did they like not even wait for the creator's body to get cold before pushing all that stuff or did they did it before he kicked the bucket?

      I need to watch the latest episode of inappropriate characters seems it drew more attention to this thread.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: HappyDaze on August 31, 2021, 10:06:19 AM
      I absolutely love this list. And while watching Inappropriate Characters I know the worry is it becomes a black list.....oh sorry can't say that.... it becomes a cancel list, I just really am looking at not supporting companies that truly hate me.

      I'll buy a product if it's really good and politics free. But I won't buy something from those who hate me or pander to the woke crowd (WotC is the poster child who will get eaten from within).

      I love this because the Left hates it.  The funny thing is, it works positively for both sides since if you are Wokeified, all you have to do is patronize the “red label” publishers, and avoid the green ones.

      But we all know that the Left disdains freedom of choice so it is hilarious to watch them squirm and squeal when they see how many people don’t choose what the Left wants.
      Do you actually have any idea of how left-leaning gamers think? My left-leaning friend doesn't hate it at all. He just laughs at it and those composing it and finds it to be pathetic virtue signaling. We both share that view even though we disagree on a lot.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Svenhelgrim on August 31, 2021, 10:11:22 AM
      I absolutely love this list. And while watching Inappropriate Characters I know the worry is it becomes a black list.....oh sorry can't say that.... it becomes a cancel list, I just really am looking at not supporting companies that truly hate me.

      I'll buy a product if it's really good and politics free. But I won't buy something from those who hate me or pander to the woke crowd (WotC is the poster child who will get eaten from within).

      I love this because the Left hates it.  The funny thing is, it works positively for both sides since if you are Wokeified, all you have to do is patronize the “red label” publishers, and avoid the green ones.

      But we all know that the Left disdains freedom of choice so it is hilarious to watch them squirm and squeal when they see how many people don’t choose what the Left wants.
      Do you actually have any idea of how left-leaning gamers think? My left-leaning friend doesn't hate it at all. He just laughs at it and those composing it and finds it to be pathetic virtue signaling. We both share that view even though we disagree on a lot.

      Ah! The sound of your squeals!
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: HappyDaze on August 31, 2021, 10:14:06 AM
      I absolutely love this list. And while watching Inappropriate Characters I know the worry is it becomes a black list.....oh sorry can't say that.... it becomes a cancel list, I just really am looking at not supporting companies that truly hate me.

      I'll buy a product if it's really good and politics free. But I won't buy something from those who hate me or pander to the woke crowd (WotC is the poster child who will get eaten from within).

      I love this because the Left hates it.  The funny thing is, it works positively for both sides since if you are Wokeified, all you have to do is patronize the “red label” publishers, and avoid the green ones.

      But we all know that the Left disdains freedom of choice so it is hilarious to watch them squirm and squeal when they see how many people don’t choose what the Left wants.
      Do you actually have any idea of how left-leaning gamers think? My left-leaning friend doesn't hate it at all. He just laughs at it and those composing it and finds it to be pathetic virtue signaling. We both share that view even though we disagree on a lot.

      Ah! The sound of your squeals!
      I'm trying to speak your language.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: RPGPundit on August 31, 2021, 10:38:01 AM

      A Thousand Thousand Islands (eponymous zine series): Zedeck Siew has a big chip on his shoulder about colonialism in Southeast Asia and seems not too fond of westerners in general. His work is focuses on his own culture so I'd maybe give it a pass.

      He doesn't deserve a pass. His stuff is communist and anti-western. He's engaged in attacks against me on twitter.

      What hurt more, when he called you a sad racist or when he dunked on your pipe smoker cred?
      I only read the first two zines so I don't know where you pulled the 'communist and anti-western' stuff from. Not that I would be overly surprised.

      Is that you, Zedeck?

      Anyways, he's the obviously racist one, and his little story was a lie. Or more accurately, a misrepresentation, because it was a reference to a thread where I point out that the way Holmes is depicted as a pipe smoker on film is not like how it's portrayed in the books. I remember the thread, but I don't remember his involvement in it, or him at all until he went at me on Twitter; which shows you who is obsessed over who. As usual, the SJWs are constantly remembering their encounters with me as life-defining in their hobby, while to me with very few exceptions, it's just Tuesday.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Godsmonkey on August 31, 2021, 10:50:01 AM
      Chaosium
      Chaosium has Lynne Hardy who labelled Masks of Nyarlathotep as racist and therefore Larry DiTillo as racist also.  She did this while acting as Chaosium's political commissar on the 7e version of Masks the results of which were BLM supporting additions and gender and race swapping NPCs to conform to woke quotas.

      In the Berlin the Wicked City the author David Larkins states "This is all to say, having an LGBTQI investigator in the group is not only possible but probable" It also pushes the Gay fascism conspiracy theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_fascism. The default time is set in the early to mid 20s before the rise of the Nazis and Soviet organized street violence is down played to both side where at it. I am sure the above statements will garner an accusation that I am an Nazi by the usual leftest wankers like The Parker Shiter so here is my disclaimer.  Nazi's and all totalitarian socialists are assholes.  I have zero issue with LGBTI etc etc pc's but I do have issue with game company mandates on pcs based on ideology.   

      In RuneQuest Glorthana they are progressively removing white people. At first the Pelorians were to remain pale but given recent artwork I doubt that.  I think the only one that could still be white are Ygg Islanders who are a sort of Scandinavian   people.  But since the Opening of the  seas most of them have left the island as Wolf Pirates and have now thoroughly mixed with other cultures.  Cults (and game mechanics) have been rewritten to please the leftest females around Jeff Richards as well.

      I definitely think the Choasium is a border line Yellow/Red especially given them throwing Sandy Petersen under the bus on social media despite official response on this forum that Chaosium has people with wide ranging viewpoints that are supported by the company. What should tip them over is Pendragon 6e given that David Larkins is heading this up and there have been calls for all NPCS to be a 50%/50% gender split and it's a given that female knights will be mandated.

      I will dig out the Pelgrane Press references  later along with suggestions for Call of Cthulhu licensors
      DAMN!

      I figured this would be inevitable when they first started retconning Glorantha to make the Sartarites less Celtic, and more Mediterrainian. I had no clue they went this far down the road.

      This really sucks. I've been a fan of the company since around 1981 when I picked up my first copy of RuneQuest 2nd edition. The BRP system is brilliant, and Pendragon a masterwork. However if what you've posted is correct, it will mutate from Masterwork to Master WOKE. I have been planning on the next campaign to be Pendragon, and 3 of my 5 players are female, so I was wondering how I was going to do that, and still be "authentic".I'm not opposed to female knights, but don't tell me I HAVE to do it.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Thorn Drumheller on August 31, 2021, 10:51:12 AM
      Do you actually have any idea of how left-leaning gamers think? My left-leaning friend doesn't hate it at all. He just laughs at it and those composing it and finds it to be pathetic virtue signaling. We both share that view even though we disagree on a lot.

      Well. See, here's the problem. It seems the arguments aren't created equal. What I mean is I can trot out my disabled friend who thinks the combat wheelchair is stupid, or my black friend who thinks the whole orcs are black debate is moronic. But when I do I get, well those are just anecdotal and not representative. So, which is it? Apparently, by that logic, you're one friend means jack as well right?
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 31, 2021, 11:01:14 AM
      Bringing to your attention: Spanish antifa-gamers took note of this thread, and apparently forgot I'm Latino and can read them.

      They are super insistent that the publisher of Forbidden Lands (Free League) should actually be in the red. Though since they're all communists I wouldn't trust their word on it.

      https://twitter.com/agburanar/status/1431522425787748353
      Do they have anything tangible to support this, or are they just 'trust us it's bad'!

      That's freakin hilarious.

      Also doing this to make it a bit easier to edit, I think we are almost ready for a final draft version at least in the sense of ready for stickying. It's a living document, comments are enabled as well for suggestions https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lpX6kJUpfaFrRyISl3ziDiKdIo6Qf5hD0bWHaoMoSCc/edit?usp=sharing

      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: sinibaldsword on August 31, 2021, 11:37:35 AM
      Came here to comment after watching Inappropriate Characters. Would like to nominate EN Publishing for the red list.

      https://www.levelup5e.com/team

      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 31, 2021, 11:42:48 AM
      Came here to comment after watching Inappropriate Characters. Would like to nominate EN Publishing for the red list.

      https://www.levelup5e.com/team

      Got any juicy stories from them?
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Thorn Drumheller on August 31, 2021, 12:09:19 PM
      That levelup "committee" is pretty much the poster child for diversity and inclusion. Perfect. I know some rpg's might be good designed by committee......but this? Eh, who am I kidding. It's based on 5e, and with that "awesome" group working on it, it's gonna be terrific /s
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: sinibaldsword on August 31, 2021, 12:16:34 PM
      Morrus from ENWorld transcribed the whole Ernie Gygax interview which unleashed the pitchfork mob on TSR.

      https://www.enworld.org/threads/ernie-gygax-on-new-tsr-wotc-beefs-trademarks-licensees-5e-more.680877/ (https://www.enworld.org/threads/ernie-gygax-on-new-tsr-wotc-beefs-trademarks-licensees-5e-more.680877/)

      Their new product is Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition.  Tagline is "DIVERSITY. DEPTH. CHOICE" and amongst new classes it promises "A new approach to heritage; characters are a diverse lot" & "'Race’ separated into heritage and culture". Also a "Diverse team, cultural consultants, and representative content"

      They hate the founders of the hobby and are after the Leftist market. Red list.

      https://www.levelup5e.com/news/level-up-feature-list (https://www.levelup5e.com/news/level-up-feature-list)
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on August 31, 2021, 01:00:02 PM
      Yup ENWorld is red.

      Anyone have any information on Ulisses Spiele, they have Fading Suns, Torg, Dark Eye, Adventuria and Myth. I did find however that Robert Adducci is their community manager, and he is about as far left as you can get. He is a bit more insidious because he doesn't overtly throw shade at people but he tends to be the one who actually hands out the bans and if you aren't woke enough, you're toast. He ran Adventurers League for D&D 5th edition and wizards of the coast, I wish I had some actual screencaps of this but unfortunately I'm speaking from first hand experience. They also work with other big names including Shane Hensley with Torg, CEO of Pinnacle, and one of the creators of the Dark Sun campaign setting. Overall I kind of want to put them as yellow until I hear more but really they could go either way.
      https://ulisses-us.com/mitarbeiter/


      Also just finished inappropriate characters episode it pretty much hit a lot of what I was going for right on the head. I should mention the reason if some of the reasons seem kind of short or missing anything it is because I'm actually learning of a bunch of new companies and creators from this thread. Some are new, and have been mentioned in the thread with a good reason I went ahead and just added em in based on suggestions and comments in the thread. Like when I initially made this post I never heard of Autarch (ACKS). As for the order the names are in, there really isn't any order I put em in as they came to mind or upon discovery, though I was considering reordering them alphabetically or something. So no, they aren't in any meaningful order at the moment.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: SvebianFeels on August 31, 2021, 04:26:40 PM
      Remember posthuman studios shitting on mens rights advocacy? It's been a while but I doubt they got better with time.

      https://eclipsephase.com/regarding-mras
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: brettmb on August 31, 2021, 04:33:39 PM
      “Precis Intermedia: Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"

      I’m starting to take offense, as I’m actually an asshole.  ;D
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Thorn Drumheller on August 31, 2021, 05:03:57 PM
      “Precis Intermedia: Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"

      I’m starting to take offense, as I’m actually an asshole.  ;D

      LOL. I genuinely laughed out loud. thanks man
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Tubesock Army on August 31, 2021, 05:09:53 PM
      So I just checked out delta green in more detail, which a lot of those accusations are misleading at best or debunked but okay let’s just ignore that. Look at this assholes Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/drgonzo123

      This is the creator of delta green. Here we have him telling people not to buy his book, celebrating the death of conservatives if they happen to die of covid, and pretty much just nothing but shitting on conservatives and going on anti American rants. Yeah fuck this guy he’s solidly on red.

      If you can't see the humor in anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers dying of preventable/survivable diseases to "own the libs", I don't know what to tell you. That will never not be funny.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: S'mon on August 31, 2021, 05:15:05 PM
      Came here to comment after watching Inappropriate Characters. Would like to nominate EN Publishing for the red list.

      https://www.levelup5e.com/team

      Yes I nearly suggested them when I posted earlier today. Very Woke.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: oggsmash on August 31, 2021, 05:22:07 PM
      So I just checked out delta green in more detail, which a lot of those accusations are misleading at best or debunked but okay let’s just ignore that. Look at this assholes Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/drgonzo123

      This is the creator of delta green. Here we have him telling people not to buy his book, celebrating the death of conservatives if they happen to die of covid, and pretty much just nothing but shitting on conservatives and going on anti American rants. Yeah fuck this guy he’s solidly on red.

      If you can't see the humor in anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers dying of preventable/survivable diseases to "own the libs", I don't know what to tell you. That will never not be funny.

        So are all the people dying anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers?  Interesting. 
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Tubesock Army on August 31, 2021, 05:30:30 PM
      So are all the people dying anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers?  Interesting.

      No, just the ones whose deaths are funny.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: oggsmash on August 31, 2021, 05:49:08 PM
      So are all the people dying anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers?  Interesting.

      No, just the ones whose deaths are funny.

         Hopefully they can die laughing knowing there was only a 99.5 percent they would survive their infection.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: brettmb on August 31, 2021, 05:52:49 PM
      Stop with the politics and keep to the topic.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Gagarth on September 01, 2021, 04:53:32 AM
      Gay Spaceship games 

      To play Thirsty Sword Lesbians, you must:
      Support racial liberation, intersectional feminism, and queer liberation
      Respect transgender people, nonbinary people, intersex people, and
      women
      Respect racialized people; respect Black, Indigenous, mixed-race
      people, and other people of color
      Respect sex workers
      Respect disabled people
      Respect immigrants
      Respect lesbians and other people with queer sexualities
      Respect people experiencing poverty or homelessness
      Respect neurodivergent people, such as those on the autism spectrum
      Respect fat people and people of all body types
      Not demand that anyone educate you about their marginalizations
      If you don’t agree, fix your heart before sharing a table with other people
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ghostmaker on September 01, 2021, 07:35:34 AM
      Doesn't ENWorld/ENPublishing have kind of a shit rep anyways for playing games with third party content creators, back in the halcyon days of open source d20? I remember reading about that somewhere.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Godsmonkey on September 01, 2021, 07:49:15 AM
      Gay Spaceship games 

      To play Thirsty Sword Lesbians, you must:
      Support racial liberation, intersectional feminism, and queer liberation
      Respect transgender people, nonbinary people, intersex people, and
      women
      Respect racialized people; respect Black, Indigenous, mixed-race
      people, and other people of color
      Respect sex workers
      Respect disabled people
      Respect immigrants
      Respect lesbians and other people with queer sexualities
      Respect people experiencing poverty or homelessness
      Respect neurodivergent people, such as those on the autism spectrum
      Respect fat people and people of all body types
      Not demand that anyone educate you about their marginalizations
      If you don’t agree, fix your heart before sharing a table with other people

      By default, I respect all people until the give me reason not to.

      I don't respect a game maker like Sword Thirsty Lesbians' who are pandering to a demographic to make a buck and gain virtue points.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Gagarth on September 01, 2021, 08:19:58 AM
      Brittannia Gems should be red

      "Brittannia Game Designs and the designers of C&S 5th Edition celebrate diversity among gamers and in our games. In this edition of the classic medieval fantasy game we have drawn on modern [i.e. Intersectional Marxist] research to present the Middle Ages as they really were; diverse and rich in cultural influences and visitors from outside Europe. If this does not reflect your vision of the Middle Ages, this is not the game for you."


      Land of the Rising sun for 5e C & S

      "Brittannia Game Designs and the designers of Land of the Rising Sun and C&S 5th Edition celebrate diversity  among gamers and in our games. In this edition of the  classic medieval fantasy game we encourage you to  break away from the bland white, male Middle Ages of  yesteryear and make your game as rich and varied as the  Middle Ages really were. If this does not reflect your vision of the Middle Ages,  this is not the game for you"


      https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/chivalry-and-sorcery-41163/
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Godsmonkey on September 01, 2021, 08:27:24 AM
      Brittannia Gems should be red

      "Brittannia Game Designs and the designers of C&S 5th Edition celebrate diversity among gamers and in our games. In this edition of the classic medieval fantasy game we have drawn on modern [i.e. Intersectional Marxist] research to present the Middle Ages as they really were; diverse and rich in cultural influences and visitors from outside Europe. If this does not reflect your vision of the Middle Ages, this is not the game for you."

      https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/chivalry-and-sorcery-41163/

      If by rich and diverse, they mean there were a few outliers, then OK.

      Somehow I don't get that impression.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Gagarth on September 01, 2021, 08:34:18 AM
      Brittannia Gems should be red

      "Brittannia Game Designs and the designers of C&S 5th Edition celebrate diversity among gamers and in our games. In this edition of the classic medieval fantasy game we have drawn on modern [i.e. Intersectional Marxist] research to present the Middle Ages as they really were; diverse and rich in cultural influences and visitors from outside Europe. If this does not reflect your vision of the Middle Ages, this is not the game for you."

      https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/chivalry-and-sorcery-41163/

      If by rich and diverse, they mean there were a few outliers, then OK.

      Somehow I don't get that impression.


      It means exactly the same as the interpretation of history from other Intersectional Marxist entertainment producers e.g. Anne Boleyn was a black lesbian and half the Yeomen of the Guard were black. But as usual with the doublethink from this crowd full diversity is only required when it is a European setting being portrayed as the artwork of the C & S 5e Land of the Rising Sun isn't diverse.  Something I have also noticed with Intersectional Marxist products is that when the European attitudes of a particular time run contrary to modern perspectives it gets called out and vilified yet with other cultures it will go without remark.


      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Slambo on September 01, 2021, 09:16:02 AM

      Updated List

      Green
      Not Woke or Indifferent
      • RPG Pundit (Lion and Dragon, Arrows of Indra, Dark Albion): Historical fiction and stays true to the mindset of the times. See his YT channel. Might create a new category here for anti sjw.
      • Troll Lord Games (Castles and Crusades/Siege Engine) Supports vets with big discounts, generally stays apolitical.
      • Studio Agate/Shadows of Esteren No indication of any affiliation. Decent game, takes forever to fill kickstarters though.
      • Precis Intermedia: "Makers of the Genre Diversion System and a publisher of any other games. Never seen anything woke from them, and the owner seems like a really cool, level-headed guy"
      • Autarch/ACKS Definitely not woke
      • Necrotic Gnome (Old School Essentials) Makes a point to be apolitical
      • Basic Fantasy Also keeps politics separate from products
      • OSRIC Hasn't given any indication of getting political
      • Whitebox: FMAG No indication of getting poltical
      • Goblinoid Games (Labyrinth Lord) No indication of getting political
      • Frog God Games/Swords and Wizardry Did a bit of pandering with an all female printing of Swords and Wizardry, suspect but worth noting.
      • Post Mortem Studios (Tales of Gor, Punk RPG, Grimdark) Visit the storefront, can't imagine them giving a shit what people think
      • Palladium Does what they have always done, make gonzo worlds
      • North Wind Adventures (Astonishing Swordsman and Sorcerers of Hyperborea) Hired some woke artist, but otherwise seems faithful to AD&D. Doesnt Appear to get preachy
      • Kort'thalis Publishing/Venger Satanis (Alpha Blue, Cha'alt) Anti SJW
      • Peterson Games (Cthulhu Mythos among others) They tried to cancel him for thinking that men shouldn't compete in women's sports. Seems like a genuinely nice dude
      • Riot Minds (Trudvang, Lex Occultum) Does not appear to be political, you can get their proprietary system or the D&D adaptation or adopt the setting to your own system. It's a beautiful setting with outstanding artwork.
      • Lamentations of the Flame Princess Edgelords, cannot be contained. They were on the receiving end of the cancel mob and twiterati for a while.
      • For Gold and Glory Nothing to suggest going woke, seems indifferent.
      • Immersive Ink (Delving Deeper) Indifferent
      • Sine Nomine (Scarlet Heroes, Stars Without Number Indifferent
      • Symbaroum Haven't seen anything political from them
      • Schwalb Entertainment (Shadow of the Demon Lord) They bent the knee a while back and put a pro BLM message though it has been taken down since, so they get to be green for now. More information is needed
      • Columbia Games (Harnworld, Harnmaster, Block War Games) Aims for historical realism based on the medieval period. They don't appear to be political at all and just trying to make a historical experience.

      Yellow
      Sort of Woke or Panders- If it's there it's subtle. They "bend the knee" to the grifters, or maybe they themselves are woke

      • Catalyst Game Labs (Shadowrun) Giving them the benefit of the doubt for now unless someone shows otherwise but this was posted last year https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/ (https://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2020/06/11/catalyst-game-labs-statement-on-social-justice/)
      • Fantasy Flight Games Hard to decide if it belongs here or just in the woke catagory. They gender and race swap characters, ban words that might be considered offensive like Banzai, and generally allow the woke mob to take over the forums and run away with their trade dress etc. They dont constantly harass potential customers and tell them how much they hate em at least.
      • Talsorian Games Mixed Bag imo, they lean really heavily into IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) it's on their page rules. Lots of pronouns in bios, They havn't gone full crazy just yet
      • Goodman Games - Tried to protect itself by distancing itself from Judges Guild and donating to ADL. Other than that can't really find anything else on them. Praised BLM for a time
      • Chaosium Changed in world lore to be more for Runequest, some censorship and bending to BLM/GLBT+ demands
      • Monte Cook Games Poor Monte, used to make some good stuff. Tends to push things like consent forms in gaming, some stuff on mental illness but otherwise panders
      • Mongoose Games Had a don't be a dick section in paranoia, recommended by poster. Open for debate whether yellow or green
      • Modiphious Publishes some woke products, but doesn't seem to only publish woke products
      • Pinnacle Entertainment (Savage Worlds/Deadlands) Removed the CSA from Deadlands and removed a lot of the old art that might offend anyone particuarly anything with partial nudity or more risque outfits. Also made sure there weren't "too many white guys" in their core rulebook. Still pretty solid but they pander or cave to demands occasionally
      • Hero Games Hires sensitivity readers
      • GURPs/Steve Jackson Games Banned by rpg net for not being woke, though some of the devs might be. Steven Jackson signed onto october surprise, so he did come down with a case of TDS
      • Free League Standard "Gaming is for everyone" spiel, could go either way. Published forbidden lands, which slips in some anti woke themes. Yellow leaning Green
      • Atlas Games (Ars Magica) President of Atlas-Games has total TDS and is another blue checkmark. Unsure of how badly it shows in there games. For now its yellow bordering on red.
      • Edge Studios Acquired all of FFG rpg line, they toe the standard line and employ quite a few hardcore sjws
      • Reaper Miniatures Had some drama about an employee getting into a fight with some antifa sympathizer. Read this and make up your own mind https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6txuht/reaper_miniatures_may_have_fired_a_guy_for_shit/
      • Gallant Knight Games (Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells, the Tiny RPGs Partnered with Diogo Nogueira. Moved here from red but has a strong relationship with Diogo as far as I know but I can't find examples of them actually doing anything wrong other than that.
      • Heroforge Miniatures They pander hard, are not overt about it but i'm sure they will do something stupid soon.


      Red
      Woke,These people probably despise you if you don't fall in line and they aren't afraid to let you know it.
      • Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events. True dumpster fire.
      • Paizo- Has whole pages in their books telling you how you must play there game and be inclusive. Harasses customers, aggressively moderates forums against anyone to the right of stalin, Retconned Golarion lore to be more inclusive, starfinder even had an adventure where you needed to get a professor at a university to apologize for being insensitive despite being factually correct. No lie, first adventure path. Another AP for Pathfinder showed all men as incompetent, read like a tumblr blog and all the women were super powerful and if you didnt bring the black, lesbian, disabled ranger with you then you automatically lost. Iron Gods or something like that.
      • Zweihander/Grim and Perilous Games- Freakin Dumpster Fire,
      • Cubicle 7 - Not as bad as the others on this list, they're definitely woke. Their art design generally shows it, having extremely odd choices for portraits in warhammer fantasy line and ignoring in world cultural practices like female dwarven artisans arent generally a thing. Ticks diversity checkboxes, pronouns in the bio. I havn't seen them harassing customers yet so that's a win.
      • Renegade Game Studios/Vampire the Masquerade 5e Not sure where to start with these guys, woke in their products and openly hate you
      • Onyx Path Publishing/Chronicles of Darkness
      • New White Wolf Publishing Not sure if they're still around, see Mophidious and Onyx Path they're all sister companies.
      • Green Ronin- Chris Pramas is a full-on member of ANTIFA, has a vitriolic hatred for white people, and his products reflect this. Publishes "Blue Rose", the gay RPG
      • Monkey House Games/Jeff Dee: Enormous asshole and activist. If you are republican or conservative or Christian this hates you.
      • Evil Hat Productions- Another poster child for woke gaming. Embedded in everything from their forums, to their products and staff. Openly tells you if you don't like their politics don't buy their games. Too easy
      • Ockult Ortmastare Games/Stockholm Cartell (Mork Borg) - Uses OGL to shoot down authors they disagree with. Supports BLM and bailing out rioters
      • Sigil Stone Publishing (Five Torches Deep) Just read the last page in FTD Origins. Titled: "BIOESSENTIALISM, RACISM, AND COLONIALISM
      • Pelgraine Press (13th Age)  "The thing about SWGs (Straight White Guys) is that they make great punching bags. " Still need a citation for this but for now its going red. Also published #Feminism
      • Kobold Press Guide to game mastering has a whole section telling the reader to "check your privilege"
      • The Design Mechanism ( Released a video stating if you voted for a certain political candidate you're not welcome to buy their game. They since deleted the video 
      • Monte Cook Games (Numenera) Partners with Shanna Germain and wrote consent in gaming. Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red
      • Arcanist Press Only make diversity products, they based their company on being woke
      • Gencon A convention, but honorary assholes none the less. They go a bit ban happy, see Jeremy Hambley and the whole thing with "nu-tsr" despite being short lived.
      • Coyote & Crow Bunch of actual racists making a racist game. Screeching about colonization and the whole premise of their game is what if white people didn't exist. One of the worst offenders on this list.
      • Magpie Games (Avatar Legends RPG) Way into BLM and "Diversity and Inclusion, also hired Daniel Kwan from Asians Represent Youtube channel. They tried to get Oriental Adventures banned from one bookshelf and other storefronts. Markets their game as non western storytelling.
      • Old Skull Publishing  Diogo Nogueira who threatened to punch Venger at a the next con he sees him at, also wanted to to get companies to put "game not for fascists" on the cover of every title.
      • Games Workshop (Warhammer 40k, Age of Sigmar, Warhammer Fantasy) IP owners and miniature producers since we are including those for right now. Honorary Dingdong, crimes include general shittyness, going after people for copyright for material they themselves have stolen or "borrowed" and other scummy business practices. They drank the kool-aid a while ago and have actually attacked fans of the franchise for wrongthink. Cool universe, but don't give em money if you dont have to. Chinacast, 3d printing, etc
      • Wizkids Puts the pronouns of their models on the boxes now, also partnered with hasbro
      • Arc Knight Publishing (Delta Green) Delta Green Handlers guide has a whole section on Trump. They are actually more hostile to Trump than actual historical nazis.

      This is so far the most up to date version of the list.

      Just a heads up. Monty Cook is on both the Yellow and Red lists. Is this intentional? They seem VERY RED to me.

      Nice catch, no they’re red. I’ll remove from yellow

      You also have kobold press in green and red
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on September 01, 2021, 11:26:39 AM
      Gay Spaceship games 

      To play Thirsty Sword Lesbians, you must:
      Support racial liberation, intersectional feminism, and queer liberation
      Respect transgender people, nonbinary people, intersex people, and
      women
      Respect racialized people; respect Black, Indigenous, mixed-race
      people, and other people of color
      Respect sex workers
      Respect disabled people
      Respect immigrants
      Respect lesbians and other people with queer sexualities
      Respect people experiencing poverty or homelessness
      Respect neurodivergent people, such as those on the autism spectrum
      Respect fat people and people of all body types
      Not demand that anyone educate you about their marginalizations
      If you don’t agree, fix your heart before sharing a table with other people

      Thought it wast just evil hat with thirsty sword dykes, but I see who actually wrote it so they get the red too.

      Removed Kobold press so they are only under red now.

      Also if anyone has any more stories about atlas games, I know they mentioned it on inappropriate characters that it was worse than I had initially gave it credit for.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Marchand on September 01, 2021, 11:30:33 AM
      Arion Games, producers of Advanced Fighting Fantasy 2e and Malestrom suggested for Green - no SJW posturing I'm aware of. They seem pretty happy playing with the 80s AFF 1e source material with all its "potential issues".

      Iron Crown Enterprises, Rolemaster and HARP, again suggesting Green, no SJW posturing I'm aware of. Eight years and still waiting for Rolemaster Unified, which I guess is how we got this far in the thread without their getting a mention (unless I missed it).


      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Armchair Gamer on September 01, 2021, 12:56:07 PM
      Iron Crown Enterprises, Rolemaster and HARP, again suggesting Green, no SJW posturing I'm aware of. Eight years and still waiting for Rolemaster Unified, which I guess is how we got this far in the thread without their getting a mention (unless I missed it).

         I asked about ICE earlier, but since none of those who pay attention to them have found anything, probably safely Green.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Gagarth on September 01, 2021, 12:56:43 PM
      A future entry to the Black list

      Into the Mother Lands RPG.  https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cypheroftyr/into-the-mother-lands-rpg (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cypheroftyr/into-the-mother-lands-rpg)

      Quote
      Mother Lands is a tabletop role-playing game free of slavery and colonialism


      Quote
      Polygon sat down with Tanya DePass, the creator of the new setting, and lead designer B. Dave Walters to learn more. They explained that the germ of the idea originated in the historical record.
      “We went back to the African Emperor Mansa Musa,” Walters said, referring to the leader of the Mali Empire, an Islamic West African state which Musa I ruled during the 14th century. “He was arguably the wealthiest man in history, who really existed and who sent a fleet to the New World. […] For our story, this fleet departed and, through a mechanism that is yet to be revealed within the narrative, were transported to another planet.”

      Mansa Musa was the African ruler of the Mali Empire in the 14th century. When when he took a pilgrimage to Mecca in 1324 he reportedly brought a procession of 60,000 men and 12,000 slaves.



      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Gagarth on September 01, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
      Modiphius should definitely be on the Black List.  They had a finished product with Conan the Wanderer guide to the kingdoms of the East.  Then  they went full retard and hired a sensitivity reader.  Cutting the fact that on the Lotus Road the main trade is in DRUGS, Martial Arts got renamed to  Unarmed Combat, Exotic and the  removal of Castes were among the many changes made. They even removed two of the writers names, one of them the Line Developer from the credits and replaced them with the name of the Political commissar sensitivity reader.


      https://forums.modiphius.com/t/about-the-changes-in-the-new-version-of-conan-the-wanderer/13295/24
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: RPGPundit on September 01, 2021, 07:32:52 PM
      Arion Games, producers of Advanced Fighting Fantasy 2e and Malestrom suggested for Green - no SJW posturing I'm aware of. They seem pretty happy playing with the 80s AFF 1e source material with all its "potential issues".


      I don't know... they never sent me a review copy of Maelstrom Rome. That probably means they're communists!
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: oggsmash on September 01, 2021, 08:37:03 PM
      Iron Crown Enterprises, Rolemaster and HARP, again suggesting Green, no SJW posturing I'm aware of. Eight years and still waiting for Rolemaster Unified, which I guess is how we got this far in the thread without their getting a mention (unless I missed it).

         I asked about ICE earlier, but since none of those who pay attention to them have found anything, probably safely Green.

      ICE is way too  busy printing up tables and charts and 6 page character sheets to worry even a little about modern sensibilities. 
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Squidi on September 01, 2021, 11:49:21 PM
      Modiphius should definitely be on the Black List.  They had a finished product with Conan the Wanderer guide to the kingdoms of the East.  Then  they went full retard and hired a sensitivity reader.  Cutting the fact that on the Lotus Road the main trade is in DRUGS, Martial Arts got renamed to  Unarmed Combat, Exotic and Castes were among the many changes made. They even removed two of the writers names, one of them the Line Developer from the credits and replaced them with the name of the Political commissar sensitivity reader.


      https://forums.modiphius.com/t/about-the-changes-in-the-new-version-of-conan-the-wanderer/13295/24
      As frustrating as this is, I can't help but laugh at the irony of it all. If there is one thing Conan isn't, it is civilized.

      “By Crom, though I've spend considerable time among you civilized peoples, your ways are still beyond my comprehension”
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: palaeomerus on September 02, 2021, 02:40:50 AM
      Pundit just did a thing on WotC inventing new classes like the Chronic Fatigue Barbarian who makes people and monsters tired with psionic powers from a wheel chair. I don't even know what to say to that so...it's MS paint catharsis time.

      (https://i.imgur.com/b0bb0xt.png)

      We need a new section called RED AF or maybe INFRARED, where it's so red that you can't even see it. So damned red that Gary is gonna come back and wap some mothereffers right in the shins with a shovel before this is over.

      (https://i.imgur.com/5GG1irr.png)
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: zincmoat on September 02, 2021, 06:05:02 AM
      I get that the political video was cringe
      I can accept them removing the video to be honest,

      This video was meant to be part of a sequence of satirical videos, making fun of the current political situation. After someone took the whole thing, way to seriously, they cancelled it. I think they took the "Never explain, never complain" stance, after seeing the mess on rpgnet and just removed it instead. TDM is completely unpolitical and after the joke went wrong, I doubt they will even try overt satire again.

      They should be in the Green part of the list.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: oggsmash on September 02, 2021, 09:29:20 AM
      I get that the political video was cringe
      I can accept them removing the video to be honest,

      This video was meant to be part of a sequence of satirical videos, making fun of the current political situation. After someone took the whole thing, way to seriously, they cancelled it. I think they took the "Never explain, never complain" stance, after seeing the mess on rpgnet and just removed it instead. TDM is completely unpolitical and after the joke went wrong, I doubt they will even try overt satire again.

      They should be in the Green part of the list.

        Judging from the things I have from them, I would agree. 
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on September 02, 2021, 09:50:09 AM
      I get that the political video was cringe
      I can accept them removing the video to be honest,

      This video was meant to be part of a sequence of satirical videos, making fun of the current political situation. After someone took the whole thing, way to seriously, they cancelled it. I think they took the "Never explain, never complain" stance, after seeing the mess on rpgnet and just removed it instead. TDM is completely unpolitical and after the joke went wrong, I doubt they will even try overt satire again.

      They should be in the Green part of the list.

        Judging from the things I have from them, I would agree.

      All good points, and glad to hear it. I moved them from red to green in the google doc, with an explanation for their move. I am glad to hear it because the idea of the Mythras and Mythic Earth settings looks amazing.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Chris24601 on September 02, 2021, 10:34:55 AM
      From the RTG exiting GenCon thread... I’m curious about the geographic distribution of the various companies. For example, while GenCon happens in Indianapolis, it’s actual offices are in, you guessed it, Seattle.

      I’m going to actually take a look and will report my findings, but my hypothesis is that the majority of green companies have their headquarters outside the Seattle ecosystem while most of the red/yellow ones are going to actually be headquartered near the Seattle area (or a similar extremely woke bastion).
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Armchair Gamer on September 02, 2021, 12:35:08 PM
      I’m going to actually take a look and will report my findings, but my hypothesis is that the majority of green companies have their headquarters outside the Seattle ecosystem while most of the red/yellow ones are going to actually be headquartered near the Seattle area (or a similar extremely woke bastion).

         WotC, Paizo, and Green Ronin are all Seattleites, of course, while Fred Hicks of Evil Hat, at least, is in the DC Metro area.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Squidi on September 02, 2021, 12:55:23 PM
      I don't think Games Workshop should be in the red. Yellow, at most. Their primary woke sin was that "Warhammer is for everybody, but you" post that their community team posted to twitter, but they soft walked that back a few weeks later and never mentioned it again. Woke companies double down in the face of criticism, not back down. I believe they even mentioned in an investor phone call that they have no diversity initiatives in hiring, and that merit is the primary focus.

      There's other stuff, but it is mostly minor. An increase in racial and gender diversity in their models, and a couple Black Library authors pulling some pronoun shenanigans. Their reboot of the Sisters of Battle turned the Repentia into a gang of unruly soccer moms. But generally speaking, most of it is fairly benign - a tendency towards woke, but never quite crossing the line fully into a company that wishes you dead (outside that Warhammer isn't for everybody post). You'll know they are too far gone when the female space marines arrive and them calling anybody against it a sexist.

      That being said, GW is about as sleazy as they come in other ways. But thinking GW is a blight on the industry is different than them being woke. Maybe just remove them from the list altogether, except with a footnote:

      * Games Workshop - here there be dragons.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on September 02, 2021, 01:52:23 PM
      I don't think Games Workshop should be in the red. Yellow, at most. Their primary woke sin was that "Warhammer is for everybody, but you" post that their community team posted to twitter, but they soft walked that back a few weeks later and never mentioned it again. Woke companies double down in the face of criticism, not back down. I believe they even mentioned in an investor phone call that they have no diversity initiatives in hiring, and that merit is the primary focus.

      There's other stuff, but it is mostly minor. An increase in racial and gender diversity in their models, and a couple Black Library authors pulling some pronoun shenanigans. Their reboot of the Sisters of Battle turned the Repentia into a gang of unruly soccer moms. But generally speaking, most of it is fairly benign - a tendency towards woke, but never quite crossing the line fully into a company that wishes you dead (outside that Warhammer isn't for everybody post). You'll know they are too far gone when the female space marines arrive and them calling anybody against it a sexist.

      That being said, GW is about as sleazy as they come in other ways. But thinking GW is a blight on the industry is different than them being woke. Maybe just remove them from the list altogether, except with a footnote:

      * Games Workshop - here there be dragons.

      Good point, yeah they are bad for other reasons than the few woke points they tried to score, like warhammer is for everybody but you or warhammer adventures. They might be better off as a footnote or removed all together.


      Does anyone know about Luke Crane and Burning Wheel? Or any more on Ars Magicka and Atlas Games? I remember there was some drama with Luke Crane but I dont remember what it was about
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Steven Mitchell on September 02, 2021, 02:08:39 PM

      Does anyone know about Luke Crane and Burning Wheel? Or any more on Ars Magicka and Atlas Games? I remember there was some drama with Luke Crane but I dont remember what it was about

      Crane flat out said that anyone who wasn't in 100% agreement with Anita Sarkeesian on the "Gamers Gate" thing as verboten on their forums and welcome to never buy their games. 

      I don't know how pervasively woke they are, but they are way down the male feminist rat hole.  Draw your own guess from that.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Rob Necronomicon on September 02, 2021, 02:16:39 PM
      Crane flat out said that anyone who wasn't in 100% agreement with Anita Sarkeesian on the "Gamers Gate" thing as verboten on their forums and welcome to never buy their games.

      I don't have the slightest clue about that whole gamer gate shit (I'm not really into video games per se).

      But anyone who supports that cabbage Sarkeesian should be red listed regardless of gamer gate imo. As she's not a feminist by it's true definition. in fact she's completely one sided towards women. A true feminist would seek 'parity' and not favor one or the other. Read a dictionary Anita!

      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on September 02, 2021, 02:17:40 PM

      Does anyone know about Luke Crane and Burning Wheel? Or any more on Ars Magicka and Atlas Games? I remember there was some drama with Luke Crane but I dont remember what it was about

      Crane flat out said that anyone who wasn't in 100% agreement with Anita Sarkeesian on the "Gamers Gate" thing as verboten on their forums and welcome to never buy their games. 

      I don't know how pervasively woke they are, but they are way down the male feminist rat hole.  Draw your own guess from that.

      Damn, I wish I could find it. Any screenshots, archives or links to it? I believe you but it adds more credibility if it's linkable
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Steven Mitchell on September 02, 2021, 02:26:02 PM
      Damn, I wish I could find it. Any screenshots, archives or links to it? I believe you but it adds more credibility if it's linkable

      Nope.  I was already a bit miffed at them because they messed up my account and I couldn't download the errata for Torchbearer that was part of what I paid for.  In the midst of trying to straighten that out and getting no response, they launched that bombshell.  I walked away and never even clicked to look again.  Knew that I would never buy anything from them again.

      And I generally like most of their games (though I don't know anyone else that I want to play them with, so kind of academic).
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Squidi on September 02, 2021, 02:29:22 PM
      I don't know how pervasively woke they are, but they are way down the male feminist rat hole.
      Isn't that kind of the definition of pervasively woke?
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Ocule on September 02, 2021, 03:04:15 PM
      Damn i just added Luke Crane to red, more digging I was able to find an interview  with Anita and Luke Crane, a bunch of selfies and testimonials. I enjoyed reading burning wheel gold, but gotta say my experience with it was just cancer. I recruited some people off of the burning wheel forums to play over skype and have someone show me the game. We got a small group together and began, alot of things happened that showed parts of the system way better in theory than in practice.

      We built our setting as recommended in the burning wheel books, collaboratively and I sort of steered in it the direction I wanted to play which ended up being some weird mix of elements from dragon age origins and Merlin (tv series from BBC). It took one session for a player with a dice roll to hijack the whole premise of a rebellion to be about feminism. Yes, an entire rebellion for equal rights in the middle ages. I openly told them I really did not want to play in that kind of setting and they went with it anyway. I dropped from the game after like 2 more sessions of trying to steer it back but it became pretty clear to me that she was too busy in her clam fantasy to think of anyone else who has to actually sit there with her. Also should mention, it wasn't earth so it was never actually established that women were oppressed in any way so that was entirely her doing.

      But yeah anything i'm surprised anyone actually gives that fuck the time of day, much less invites her as a guest of honor to a con.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Steven Mitchell on September 02, 2021, 04:18:08 PM
      I don't know how pervasively woke they are, but they are way down the male feminist rat hole.
      Isn't that kind of the definition of pervasively woke?

      There is a high correlation, yes.  It's not automatic though.  I've known a handful of radical feminists (female and male) that were particularly extreme on that point but pretty normal and reasonable otherwise (on economics, politics, etc.).  I didn't agree with their principle, but they did, in fact, have consistent, understandable principles that they stuck to.  Being woke requires a level of cognitive dissonance that makes that impossible.

      Which brings up a related point to a lot of the games listed in the "yellow" category".  They may or may not be woke.  What they lack is principles and the courage to stick to them.
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Steven Mitchell on September 02, 2021, 04:24:16 PM
      We built our setting as recommended in the burning wheel books, collaboratively and I sort of steered in it the direction I wanted to play which ended up being some weird mix of elements from dragon age origins and Merlin (tv series from BBC). It took one session for a player with a dice roll to hijack the whole premise of a rebellion to be about feminism. Yes, an entire rebellion for equal rights in the middle ages. I openly told them I really did not want to play in that kind of setting and they went with it anyway. I dropped from the game after like 2 more sessions of trying to steer it back but it became pretty clear to me that she was too busy in her clam fantasy to think of anyone else who has to actually sit there with her. Also should mention, it wasn't earth so it was never actually established that women were oppressed in any way so that was entirely her doing.

      Hate that you had that kind of experience.  I'll go ahead and say it:  They were playing BW wrong.  That's not how it is supposed to work.  If you want to talk about it, when we can start another topic. 
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Gagarth on September 03, 2021, 06:34:23 AM
      Damn i just added Luke Crane to red, more digging I was able to find an interview  with Anita and Luke Crane, a bunch of selfies and testimonials. I enjoyed reading burning wheel gold, but gotta say my experience with it was just cancer. I recruited some people off of the burning wheel forums to play over skype and have someone show me the game. We got a small group together and began, alot of things happened that showed parts of the system way better in theory than in practice.

      An Uncommon Conversation with Anita Sarkeesian moderated by Luke Crane
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWXyPSt_oFM&ab_channel=GenCon

      Secret Hitler by OAT, WOLF, & CABBAGE
      https://www.secrethitler.com/
      "I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING FUNNY OR COOL ABOUT FASCISM. WHO CAN I COMPLAIN TO?"
      Followed by a list of what looks like every elected Republicain.

      "And if you haven’t played Secret Hitler, you should. It’s great." https://geekdad.com/2016/09/kickstarter-luke-crane/ - Luke Crane who ushered it through Kickstarter
      https://web.archive.org/web/20210120222322/https://geekdad.com/2016/09/kickstarter-luke-crane/


      Here is handy list which includes Luke Crane

      We, the members of the game industry, have an October surprise of our own:

      https://web.archive.org/web/20210716163705/https://www.october-surprise.com/
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Secrets of Blackmoor on September 04, 2021, 04:41:30 PM
      I don't politicize my gaming.

      I play with people of all kinds. If you are a gamer you are most welcome at my table because we share a common bond and love of games.

      I am running a company that makes and sells movies and games that appeal to both liberal and conservative gamers.

      There are two kinds of people in the world: Gamers and all those other Mindless sheeple. :P

      Can I interest you in a vintage board game?

      We accept Visa, Master Card, Liberal Paypal, and Conservative Paypal. ;)

      https://www.therpgsite.com/other-games/north-cape-naval-miniatures-board-game/



      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: lordmalachdrim on September 05, 2021, 09:15:45 AM
      Sasquatch Studio - not seen anything woke from them, Rich Baker seems a decent bloke. Suggest Green. http://www.sasquatchgamestudio.com/ Albeit they seem pretty dormant.

      Sasquatch doesn't effectively exist anymore https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sasquatchgamestudio/alternity-2017-a-science-fiction-roleplaying-game/posts/3200927

      and Rich Baker left them over a year before they gave up. https://twitter.com/RichBakerWriter/status/1246491862514438144
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: Reckall on September 05, 2021, 11:06:04 AM
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      Wizards of the Coast - Harasses customers, diversity checkboxes, hires based on race, pedo judges, bans anyone they disagree with on social issues from all sanctioned events.

      I came late to this thread and I missed the paedo WOTC. What happened here?
      Title: Re: [List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies
      Post by: oggsmash