Quote from: silveroak on October 17, 2021, 06:20:00 PM
Look, my point here was to try and make the list more useful, I'm sorry y'all got your panties in a bunch over that.

No, I believe your point was to poison this list. It'd take very little effort for you to find a Woke friendly forum and start up a list of Alt Right gaming companies. Your goal was to convince the list caretakers here to put a couple of mainstream gaming companies in a new Alt Right category, which would likely cause them unwarranted grief, and which the Woke cultists would use to force these companies to bend the knee so that they could disavow their Alt Right listing. Nobody here is taking the bait.

In regards to Bill Webb think he was an asshole in regards to his behavior At PaizoCon. Bill Webb is not the sole owner of Frog God Games, though he holds the top spot in the company. Bill's behavior was awful, but the victim asked for folks to drop the matter. I wasn't fond of her decision, but I and others decided to respect it. You decided to act as a White Knight on her behalf in spite of her request in your effort to sabotage the list.

Your inclusion of SJG as Alt Right is even more lacking in justification. But if your ploy had worked I have to admit that'd be a pretty damn big mistake you would have caused the listers to make.

There's really not a need for an Alt Right category. People like Varg Vikernes are already in the Red category with the rest of the assholes of gaming.

You treat the assaulting of women as an exclusive fault of the Alt Right. By that insane definition Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Harvey Weinstein, etc. are all Alt Right. You argue like an idiot. Worse, encouraging that kind of thinking excuses people not in the Alt Right  to consider their behavior in regards to consent to be automatically blameless. Since they're not Alt Right they can't engage in assault on women.

Given how quickly and thoroughly you were shut down over here, maybe consider that you're not nearly as smart as you think you are. If you want to really reconsider your self-perception maybe work on figuring out how you can free yourself from the Woke cult.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on October 17, 2021, 07:08:14 PM

Quote from: silveroak on October 17, 2021, 06:38:51 PM
Your reactions have only served to reinforce my impressions of these contributing members, believe it or not you capacity to repeat the same collection of insults at all cmers has done nothing to persuade me of your position.

See, you suffer from the same narcissism that afflicts most SJWs.  We don't want to persuade you of anything.  We don't care what you think, believe, prefer, or want.  This list isn't for you.  It's not about you.  If you want a list to suit your purposes, go spend the time and effort to make one.  But, like most leftists, you just want to use others to do the work you want done.  Well, sorry, but your opinions and desires are irrelevant.

As if he could be persuaded of anything by anyone not on his cult.

You'd need an expert deprogramer, I'm not one and if I were I wouldn't do it for free (and I doubt his dad, mom or her boyfriend would be willing to pay to get him out of the cult they indoctrinated him into).

He came here (as any of the recent crop of SJWs) convinced we're just a bunch of white straight males and everybody part of his boogie man.

And his lunacy has become evident in each post.

At this point I'm just laughing at the imbecile.

Quote from: silveroak on October 17, 2021, 04:40:50 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 17, 2021, 04:12:35 PM
IF voter ID is racist then México is racist as fuck since we all have one.

SJG bans political activists from it's forums? I didn't know that, good for them, this makes me more willing to give them my money.

1) I didn't say that voter ID is racist, there are different forms of voter ID, and there are many states where the specific forms of voter ID allowed or required demonstrate a definite racial bias, and those states are heavily Republican in their legislative bodies.

Can you prove this racism you claim? Or are you of the belief that blacks are too dumb to find the DMV? Why would ID be racist anyway?

Hint: they have ID!

This claim has always made me sigh from the total lack of proof. I must ask you: do you know any black people? I've gamed/dated/hung out with with a lot of them throughout my years; and to be truthful - you lefties don't know any of them and think they're monolithic as a culture when they're not even close.

Quote from: Jason Coplen on October 17, 2021, 07:33:16 PM

Quote from: silveroak on October 17, 2021, 04:40:50 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 17, 2021, 04:12:35 PM
IF voter ID is racist then México is racist as fuck since we all have one.

SJG bans political activists from it's forums? I didn't know that, good for them, this makes me more willing to give them my money.

1) I didn't say that voter ID is racist, there are different forms of voter ID, and there are many states where the specific forms of voter ID allowed or required demonstrate a definite racial bias, and those states are heavily Republican in their legislative bodies.

Can you prove this racism you claim? Or are you of the belief that blacks are too dumb to find the DMV? Why would ID be racist anyway?

Hint: they have ID!

This claim has always made me sigh from the total lack of proof. I must ask you: do you know any black people? I've gamed/dated/hung out with with a lot of them throughout my years; and to be truthful - you lefties don't know any of them and think they're monolithic as a culture when they're not even close.

You might want to drop this subject since it's in no way related to RPGs, you already know he's got nothing.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 17, 2021, 07:37:36 PM

Quote from: Jason Coplen on October 17, 2021, 07:33:16 PM

Quote from: silveroak on October 17, 2021, 04:40:50 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 17, 2021, 04:12:35 PM
IF voter ID is racist then México is racist as fuck since we all have one.

SJG bans political activists from it's forums? I didn't know that, good for them, this makes me more willing to give them my money.

1) I didn't say that voter ID is racist, there are different forms of voter ID, and there are many states where the specific forms of voter ID allowed or required demonstrate a definite racial bias, and those states are heavily Republican in their legislative bodies.

Can you prove this racism you claim? Or are you of the belief that blacks are too dumb to find the DMV? Why would ID be racist anyway?

Hint: they have ID!

This claim has always made me sigh from the total lack of proof. I must ask you: do you know any black people? I've gamed/dated/hung out with with a lot of them throughout my years; and to be truthful - you lefties don't know any of them and think they're monolithic as a culture when they're not even close.

You might want to drop this subject since it's in no way related to RPGs, you already know he's got nothing.

Good point.

Apologies to Pundy when he sees this.

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on October 17, 2021, 07:16:19 PM

Quote from: silveroak on October 17, 2021, 06:38:51 PM
Your reactions have only served to reinforce my impressions of these contributing members, believe it or not you capacity to repeat the same collection of insults at all cmers has done nothing to persuade me of your position.

So, welcome, I guess to silveroak. The newest "member" to tell us the list is badwrong.

something something pot kettle same collection of insults

Um, no, actually I said several times that I find the list usefull, but I think it can be better. But I guess when it's all about demonizing people and showing how much you hate them and want to exclude them then truth just flies out the window.

just as a point, the only people who refer to others as being "SJW" *are* alt right, though they won't always self identify.

Quote from: silveroak on October 17, 2021, 08:13:12 PM
just as a point, the only people who refer to others as being "SJW" *are* alt right, though they won't always self identify.

Said the SJW.

No imbecile, it was SJWs who self labelled, then sane people moked them for it.

But thanks for once again proving your idiocy.

Who rolled the 3 INT, 3 WIS & 3 CHA troll? I thought we agreed Trolls weren't allowed as PCs?

Quote from: silveroak on October 17, 2021, 06:38:51 PM
secondly I don't really care *what* label is used, my point is that if you are going to be categorizing gaming companies by politics (which you are) then it would be more useful to have more categories, whereas those here are throwing around a mass of insulting terms right and left which would generally identify most posters as being alt right or alt right sympathizers that the distinction between a=political and right-leaning political seems to have been lost in your list.

The only alt-right thing on the list is Varg Vikernes' MyFarog. I'm not exactly sure which subset of the alt-right he belongs to, but clearly his politics reflect more despicable elements -- either a 1488er or hateful white identitarian.   His setting is transparently neo-pagan, anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, anti-black and anti-asian.
Because he inserts these politics overtly into MyFarog that puts him on the red list.   

Quote from: silveroak on October 17, 2021, 08:13:12 PM
just as a point, the only people who refer to others as being "SJW" *are* alt right, though they won't always self identify.

This isn't the right forum for random non-game related political whinging.
If you want to argue about who or what is an SJW or alt-right try the RPGPundit's forum.

Discussion of politics unrelated to gaming is NOT allowed here. Anyone persisting in this activity could be banned. Don't post general political discussion in RPG forum threads.

Quote from: silveroak on October 17, 2021, 03:50:29 PM
The accounts between what actually happened at the convention vary significantly between what the accused and the accusers indicated actually happened. The attitude that we should simply ignore and insult the accusers is *very* alt right.

Believing that someone should be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law is not alt right. It is simply part of due process.

But thinking an accused person is guilty until proven innocent is alt wrong and fascist.

The existence of this thread; is a positive both for people who Don't want to support woke nonsense in RPGs, and also for people who Do want to support wokeness in RPGs.

There's really no reason to argue against, or hate the existence of the list.  Woke RPG companies should jockey for position on this list.  They should wear this as a badge of honor, since they believe in this woke stuff.

Quote from: Jam The MF on October 19, 2021, 12:25:54 AM
The existence of this thread; is a positive both for people who Don't want to support woke nonsense in RPGs, and also for people who Do want to support wokeness in RPGs.

There's really no reason to argue against, or hate the existence of the list.  Woke RPG companies should jockey for position on this list.  They should wear this as a badge of honor, since they believe in this woke stuff.

Though I understand your point, I don't see woke as positive on a fundamental level.

Quote from: Jam The MF on October 19, 2021, 12:25:54 AM
The existence of this thread; is a positive both for people who Don't want to support woke nonsense in RPGs, and also for people who Do want to support wokeness in RPGs.

There's really no reason to argue against, or hate the existence of the list.  Woke RPG companies should jockey for position on this list.  They should wear this as a badge of honor, since they believe in this woke stuff.

From what I had seen, they have. Though there are those on this forum who believe that it was all just an act.

But, this is the standard issue where "woke" is presented as political by default, and thus red.

But anti-woke, which is a position on "wokeness," is presented in the same category as apolitical.

Several people, including many anti-woke people, people who are prominent in these forums, including Ocule himself, have floated the possibility of separating the two. It hasn't been done yet, and it seems to be the main issue raised by the guest "woke" commenters who have visited.

I say this fully expecting about a half-dozen or so posts ridiculing me with little else to add.

I find it odd, because I've quoted folks who are quite respected here saying the same thing I have said, but my motivations are suspect, so my position must be wrong, even if it isn't originally my own. I mean, I'm not fragile, I won't break. It's just an odd phenomenon.