I was thinking about grabbing a copy but had a few questions.

First, I was thinking about using some of the social and religious ideas in a fantasy world.  In short, I don't want modern day assumptions tacked into a strange medieval world.  How well does the social and other power structures port over to "not earth."  

Secondly, I am not a big fan of dungeon punk or superhero aesthetic.  More inspired by actual historical armor and weapons.  Does the book art have good examples of this?  Chain mail, bucket helmets, etc.?

I don't have the book, though have watched flip-through reviews as well as heard Pundit speak about it in his videos.

From my understanding, Pundit has spoken a lot of how Lion & Dragon uses social status, and how it should be implemented in the game. He has a section on it, and in Lion & Dragon is very important. In L&D, there is one religion for the region, and I'm pretty sure he writes out all the ways religion weaves itself into everyday life (sometimes its hard to tell when he is speaking about the book contents and when he is just spitting knowledge, because I find Pundit to be very well educated on medieval subjects).

Also, regarding art, I believe Pundit uses a massive amount of public domain artwork to illustrate his books. Not sure on equipment, but the artwork itself depicts how actual armor would look in the medieval era, as well as giving it a grounded look. I believe the artist are late 1800's and before, and all artwork depicts the Medieval subjects.

Hopefully, Pundit will drop by and give you much better answers than I ever could.

Meanwhile, I just realized from you posting your topic, I've failed to snag a copy. So I'm off to do that...

UPDATE: While getting ready to purchase Lion & Dragon, I noticed in the previews that it looks like there is original artwork as well. If so, knowing Pundit, all will be appropriate to an authentic medieval period.

Cool.  Sounds like it is probably what I would like.  Thanks for the info!

What year is Lion & Dragon set in? I was watching the show Vikings and that is set in the 800s, so I'm guessing it is after that, as many of the characters in the show are pagan Vikings. The 100 years war I am guessing. I guess someone should write up stats for Joan of Arc. Does Ghengis Khan figure into this setting? That might be an interesting subject for an adventure.

Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1137786What year is Lion & Dragon set in? I was watching the show Vikings and that is set in the 800s, so I'm guessing it is after that, as many of the characters in the show are pagan Vikings. The 100 years war I am guessing. I guess someone should write up stats for Joan of Arc. Does Ghengis Khan figure into this setting? That might be an interesting subject for an adventure.

Wars of the Roses is the time period for the default setting, published separately as Dark Albion. Extrapolating to the Hundred Years' War period shouldn't be difficult.

Tangential question: of all of the pseudo-historical, alt-historical, and historic-authentic game materials I have seen, the Hundred Years' War is curiously avoided. I wonder why?

Quote from: RandyB;1137789Wars of the Roses is the time period for the default setting, published separately as Dark Albion. Extrapolating to the Hundred Years' War period shouldn't be difficult.

Tangential question: of all of the pseudo-historical, alt-historical, and historic-authentic game materials I have seen, the Hundred Years' War is curiously avoided. I wonder why?

The war pits the English against the French whereas the War of the Rose's pit the house of Lancaster against the house of York, in the later conflict, no one today really gives a damn, but their are still English and French around today, and this war is about the border between France and England, very political. It might upset a few people if someone says Normandy should be a part of England.
 I also note that this time period is a decade or two before Columbus discovers America, if the DM is willing to go off the history books, he might allow the PCs to buy or build a ship and beat Columbus to this discovery, this would have enormous historical ramifications, but as this is an RPG game, the results of this historical change would unfold very slowly. England in the midst of a civil war beats the Spaniards by a couple decades. Making a colony profitable would be hard. Slay enough dragons and steal their treasure might be enough to transport colonists across the ocean, probably the fur trade with the indians would work best.

Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1137798The war pits the English against the French whereas the War of the Rose's pit the house of Lancaster against the house of York, in the later conflict, no one today really gives a damn, but their are still English and French around today, and this war is about the border between France and England, very political. It might upset a few people if someone says Normandy should be a part of England.

And yet TSR published supplements for AD&D 2e covering both the Crusades and the Reformation/Thirty Years War, both of which are far more controversial still today than the Hundred Years' War.

Warpiglet - awesome name - you will enjoy Lion & Dragon.  You may also want to check out RPGPundit's Cults of Chaos and Dark Albion books as well.

Another RPG that might peak your interest is Sine Nomine's new Wolves of God. It's worth your time to check out the previews of all three on DriveThruRPG.

Also, if you like historical instead of fantasy arms, check out Palladium's quite ancient, but absolutely excellent series on arms, armor and gear of the past which is chock full of great illustrations of practically every ancient weapon known to historians.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/2627/Palladium-Books/subcategory/4816_5195/Weapon-Books

Quote from: Spinachcat;1137801Warpiglet - awesome name - you will enjoy Lion & Dragon.  You may also want to check out RPGPundit's Cults of Chaos and Dark Albion books as well.

Another RPG that might peak your interest is Sine Nomine's new Wolves of God. It's worth your time to check out the previews of all three on DriveThruRPG.

Also, if you like historical instead of fantasy arms, check out Palladium's quite ancient, but absolutely excellent series on arms, armor and gear of the past which is chock full of great illustrations of practically every ancient weapon known to historians.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/2627/Palladium-Books/subcategory/4816_5195/Weapon-Books

Thanks much!  Yeah I will check it out.

I like fantasy too but it's getting a little watered down.  Looking for some more grit and grime.

Sort of tired of everyone being enlightened and knowing all the history and geography from early levels....the new zeitgeist is making it worse.  Appreciate the recs.  I will poke around and buy one initily

Quote from: RandyB;1137800And yet TSR published supplements for AD&D 2e covering both the Crusades and the Reformation/Thirty Years War, both of which are far more controversial still today than the Hundred Years' War.

TSR was not so much a corporation as a person back then, he didn't mind offending a  few nitwits that wanted to be offended, I guess he didn't value the woke dollar as much as WotC does today. I wonder how much urban kids fighting their street wars in the hood ever took a break and started rolling Dice to play D&D?

Your welcome. Glad it helped.
On a related note, I also purchased a copy, so thanks for the topic. It reminded me I needed to purchase it as well.

Did you get the Lion and Dragon?

Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1137810TSR was not so much a corporation as a person back then, he didn't mind offending a  few nitwits that wanted to be offended, I guess he didn't value the woke dollar as much as WotC does today. I wonder how much urban kids fighting their street wars in the hood ever took a break and started rolling Dice to play D&D?

That was in the 1990s, after "that person" had been ousted from the company while 1e was still in publication.

But keep displaying your ignorance. It helps others know where you need more information.

Quote from: RandyB;1137824That was in the 1990s, after "that person" had been ousted from the company while 1e was still in publication.

But keep displaying your ignorance. It helps others know where you need more information.

It was all a long time ago, there weren't as many hypersensitive individuals getting offended by everything that corporations listened to.

Yes. I purchased Lion & Dragon. I ordered Barrowmaze at the beginning of last month, which is due to arrive in a few days, so probably won't get L&D until early August.