Quote from: RandallS;771217IMHO, feats, if used in a game at all, should be limited to adding a bonus to attempts to do things that any characters should be able to try to do with any chance of success above zero or adding abilities that sim,ply cannot be attempted with a non-zero chance of success with special training or special inborn abilities.  These limitations do not seem to go over well with those who love feats, however. From what i seen online and been told by those who like feats offline, they tend to loathe feats that just give a bonus to doing X instead of making it so only characters with feat X can do X.

Feats are misnamed in 5th. More like special skills abilities, knacks, whatever. Anyone can start getting them if they are willing to forgo a stat bump. And they are a-lot more restricted in number than 3e/4e. In fact you might NEVER pick up a "feat".

Quote from: Will;771298Ouch. Vibes.

A few years ago I finally walked away from a group I had been gaming with for over 15 years. It was hard, particularly since I have no other groups on hand.

No gaming might be better than bad gaming, but... ugh.

(Doing stuff online has helped a bit, since it's more freeform, timewise)

May I ask what prompted you to walk away?

Just curious.

Quote from: Will;771298Ouch. Vibes.

A few years ago I finally walked away from a group I had been gaming with for over 15 years. It was hard, particularly since I have no other groups on hand.

No gaming might be better than bad gaming, but... ugh.

(Doing stuff online has helped a bit, since it's more freeform, timewise)

The exact same thing happened to me recently.

Mainly, the reason was that I was tired of bickering with them.

Invariably every in-game conflict between PCs bled out into real life. It was usually the same two culprits ("but it's what my CHARACTER would do, party cohesion be damned!"). Also, one player was a notorious min-maxer power gamer, and the other HATED failed dice rolls. Like real upset.

I told them that I was done after the latest campaign crashed and burned after introducing 2 new players who embodied the stereotype of the over-entitled gamer.

It's been hard finding a new group, but at least I have less stress now.

Quote from: Bill;771479May I ask what prompted you to walk away?

Just curious.

Basically, a few of the more focused gamers were replaced over time with much more casual, social gamers; several of us moved across the country (central PA to western WA), and so we gained one player's wife, lost a guy but he was replaced with his sister and sister's husband (who happened to live here).

For a while we coasted with 3 fairly dedicated/'hardcore' gamers and 3 minimally interested social gamers.

Also, several of us had kids over the past 8 or so years, and we lived further from one another. At one point I was making a 100+ mile drive every week or two over some rather mountainous terrain to try to game with them.

FINALLY... schedules started unraveling. Our weekly game became monthly, if we were lucky. And the GM was horrible about responding to any emails.

The snapping point was making a 45 minute drive to the game, and finding nobody there ... check my phone and the GM had, yet again, failed to indicate whether the game was running, and the hosts had decided to just go out to dinner or something. Message came in 15 minutes before I got there.

At that point I was like 'fuck this, I'm busting my ass to get here, and there are only two of us at this point who seem to even give a shit when the game actually runs.'

(To be fair, the GM was under a COLOSSAL amount of stress, so the problems were understandable and I often feel like an ass complaining about it. But it still made for a terrible gaming experience)


So, that was that.
It helped, a little, that I had found a nice Pathfinder MUSH. Playing online isn't as fun, IMO, as a good tabletop session, but good tabletop sessions were a distant memory and the advantages of playing whenever I had time was a huge plus.

Tavern Brawler previewed - It's not the same as in the leaked Alpha.

That looks interesting enough to take for all sorts of concepts.

Yeah I like it too. Mechanically and thematically interesting!

BTW: I can't see the image, but found it on Reddit. Here it is in case anyone else can't see it either:

http://i.imgur.com/s3xNSkE.jpg

A bit nerfed from the alpha playtest, but even though it says "tavern brawler", it also just screams "ninja" to me.  They're known for using improvised weapons so this fits very well IMO

Looks cool. The sort of thing I'ld pick for a broken down, depression-prone, alcoholic soldier who likes to drown his sorrows and pick fights at bars.

TBP thread on this is filled with weenie's screaming about how much worse it is than some other power they wished their characters could have. That place really is such a drag most of the time.

I mean, if you think about it, being proficient with pretty much ANY object that the Tavern Brawler can pick up and swing (including a goblin) is pretty freakin' kick ass.

Unless, of course, your campaign features heavily optimized min-maxers who are never put into situations in which they aren't fully equipped and ready...

Quote from: Larsdangly;771578TBP thread on this is filled with weenie's screaming about how much worse it is than some other power they wished their characters could have. That place really is such a drag most of the time.

It's insufferable. Stuff like "it would be better to take a level of Monk" or "it is SHAMEFUL for a Fighter to use anything but a Greatsword". VOOOOMMMIIIIT

Quote from: Larsdangly;771578Looks cool. The sort of thing I'ld pick for a broken down, depression-prone, alcoholic soldier who likes to drown his sorrows and pick fights at bars.

TBP thread on this is filled with weenie's screaming about how much worse it is than some other power they wished their characters could have. That place really is such a drag most of the time.

Meh bunch of system wonk wankers. All I can say is since I've seen the alpha doc I can't pick between wanting to play a warlock or a multiclassed abjurer/eldritch knight. That feat would be awesome for either of them....any object as a weapon? Bring it on!

Quote from: Sacrosanct;771576A bit nerfed from the alpha playtest, but even though it says "tavern brawler", it also just screams "ninja" to me.  They're known for using improvised weapons so this fits very well IMO

Tavern Ninja.

Quote from: Larsdangly;771578TBP thread on this is filled with weenie's screaming about how much worse it is than some other power they wished their characters could have. That place really is such a drag most of the time.

Seriously, why does anybody bother?  I don't even lurk there anymore and the only reason I still give a damn is if the SJWs are trying to use what reputation RPG.net has left to piss on other people's fun.

JG

Also it gives you a grappling attempt as a bonus action. That's nice for a non-fighter.

Quote from: James Gillen;771588Seriously, why does anybody bother?

The "Let's Read" threads are good.

Quote from: Larsdangly;771578Looks cool. The sort of thing I'ld pick for a broken down, depression-prone, alcoholic soldier who likes to drown his sorrows and pick fights at bars.

TBP thread on this is filled with weenie's screaming about how much worse it is than some other power they wished their characters could have. That place really is such a drag most of the time.

ENWorld isn't much better.  Then again, it's usually the same posters from TBP whining on both, so take it FWIW.