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Author Topic: Lamentations of the Flame Princess  (Read 20805 times)

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Re: Lamentations of the Flame Princess
« Reply #255 on: September 13, 2021, 01:43:18 PM »
However, something fucked must have happened because I tried looking for more recent LotFP content and they took a nosedive quick. Some of the most obnoxious woke shit I've seen. Maybe I'm just an old bloke but I can't imagine entertaining guests or other RPG gamers in my house with a book of fucking Vagina magic on my shelf. Hideous looking books that seem to have been made by and for 12 year olds discovering they have a cock and balls for the first time. They seemed to have become the norm for LotFP and I'm told the contents of the books are also lacking. Which is a real shame because I was and still am so very sold on the atmosphere and vibe of LotFP as presented in the original rule book.
If you think Vaginas are Magic and Eldritch Cock are Woke, you're badly misinformed.

Puerile would be a better word.
Wokies ARE the kind of people who'd write this shit thinking it was some rebellion against Corporations. Whilst simultainiously sucking off WotC, Disney and others.

Raggi hired wokeies that stabbed him in the back when he posted a picture of himself with Jordan Peterson. They were already pissed off that he defended the unpersoned Zak. I checked a lot of Raggi's blog stuff and he was absolutely a woke cultist before then. Like a lot of them, he still thinks he's a 90's to late 00's leftist and being edgy is acceptable to his woke friends. But also supported all the woke tickboxes.    And that's before we get into people he hired. Like a lot of wokies. Raggi thought that because he was nice and treated these soulless wretches well they wouldn't stab him in the back. Some like Zak, produced pretty good work despite being the typical male feminist. Others produced some really awful products under the LotFP banner.
I don't think you have any idea what "Woke" means.

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Re: Lamentations of the Flame Princess
« Reply #256 on: September 14, 2021, 02:45:24 AM »
I don't think you have any idea what "Woke" means.

It's "word to describe something I don't like", right?  ::)

But yeah, describing James and/or Lamentations (especially the silly Vagina-Cock books... still mad, that they were given away free!) as woke, is real weird. And not the good kind of weird. 

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Re: Lamentations of the Flame Princess
« Reply #257 on: September 14, 2021, 04:52:59 AM »
However, something fucked must have happened because I tried looking for more recent LotFP content and they took a nosedive quick. Some of the most obnoxious woke shit I've seen. Maybe I'm just an old bloke but I can't imagine entertaining guests or other RPG gamers in my house with a book of fucking Vagina magic on my shelf. Hideous looking books that seem to have been made by and for 12 year olds discovering they have a cock and balls for the first time. They seemed to have become the norm for LotFP and I'm told the contents of the books are also lacking. Which is a real shame because I was and still am so very sold on the atmosphere and vibe of LotFP as presented in the original rule book.
If you think Vaginas are Magic and Eldritch Cock are Woke, you're badly misinformed.

Puerile would be a better word.
Wokies ARE the kind of people who'd write this shit thinking it was some rebellion against Corporations. Whilst simultainiously sucking off WotC, Disney and others.

Raggi hired wokeies that stabbed him in the back when he posted a picture of himself with Jordan Peterson. They were already pissed off that he defended the unpersoned Zak. I checked a lot of Raggi's blog stuff and he was absolutely a woke cultist before then. Like a lot of them, he still thinks he's a 90's to late 00's leftist and being edgy is acceptable to his woke friends. But also supported all the woke tickboxes.    And that's before we get into people he hired. Like a lot of wokies. Raggi thought that because he was nice and treated these soulless wretches well they wouldn't stab him in the back. Some like Zak, produced pretty good work despite being the typical male feminist. Others produced some really awful products under the LotFP banner.

What the fuck did I just read?

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Re: Lamentations of the Flame Princess
« Reply #258 on: September 14, 2021, 08:46:47 AM »
Wokies ARE the kind of people who'd write this shit thinking it was some rebellion against Corporations. Whilst simultainiously sucking off WotC, Disney and others.

Raggi hired wokeies that stabbed him in the back when he posted a picture of himself with Jordan Peterson. They were already pissed off that he defended the unpersoned Zak. I checked a lot of Raggi's blog stuff and he was absolutely a woke cultist before then. Like a lot of them, he still thinks he's a 90's to late 00's leftist and being edgy is acceptable to his woke friends. But also supported all the woke tickboxes.    And that's before we get into people he hired. Like a lot of wokies. Raggi thought that because he was nice and treated these soulless wretches well they wouldn't stab him in the back. Some like Zak, produced pretty good work despite being the typical male feminist. Others produced some really awful products under the LotFP banner.

This is fantastic. If this is how your brain works, then without knowing anything else about you, I want to offer you a contract to write a project. Your way with words, your logic pathways... it's so obvious anything you write would be pure drugs.

Get in touch.

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Re: Lamentations of the Flame Princess
« Reply #259 on: September 14, 2021, 11:01:56 AM »
Again, I think LotFP is a terrific BX implementation. It certainly deserves a new edition - I'd prefer a magic system that was less weird sex stuff though but still had some of those great innovations (random dangerous results, level-less).

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Re: Lamentations of the Flame Princess
« Reply #260 on: September 14, 2021, 11:30:02 AM »
Wokies ARE the kind of people who'd write this shit thinking it was some rebellion against Corporations. Whilst simultainiously sucking off WotC, Disney and others.

Raggi hired wokeies that stabbed him in the back when he posted a picture of himself with Jordan Peterson. They were already pissed off that he defended the unpersoned Zak. I checked a lot of Raggi's blog stuff and he was absolutely a woke cultist before then. Like a lot of them, he still thinks he's a 90's to late 00's leftist and being edgy is acceptable to his woke friends. But also supported all the woke tickboxes.    And that's before we get into people he hired. Like a lot of wokies. Raggi thought that because he was nice and treated these soulless wretches well they wouldn't stab him in the back. Some like Zak, produced pretty good work despite being the typical male feminist. Others produced some really awful products under the LotFP banner.

This is fantastic. If this is how your brain works, then without knowing anything else about you, I want to offer you a contract to write a project. Your way with words, your logic pathways... it's so obvious anything you write would be pure drugs.

Get in touch.

How do you know he hasn’t? Aren’t you around 500 emails in the hole still?  :P

All nonsense aside, good luck with the releases.

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« Reply #261 on: September 14, 2021, 11:44:54 AM »
Again, I think LotFP is a terrific BX implementation. It certainly deserves a new edition - I'd prefer a magic system that was less weird sex stuff though but still had some of those great innovations (random dangerous results, level-less).

I also really liked the system in EC/VAM. I did not lift a single spell from those books, but I did use them for inspiration on how to create spells for a short campaign. I also changed the d12 casting chart to 2d6, with more extreme effects on the edges. But you are right, the innovations and level-less nature is fantastic.

I also really like the playtest rules and just dropped an advertisement to my group to run another game with them. I know I am in the minority there, and James has already said he has no plans to use them (as is at least). However, they provide a fast and loose game that breaks free from any lingering B/X ties, which were already thin, if not invisible, at our table.

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Re: Lamentations of the Flame Princess
« Reply #262 on: September 15, 2021, 02:38:51 AM »
Raggi thought that because he was nice and treated these soulless wretches well they wouldn't stab him in the back.

Well that line sounds like fair comment. Jim is just too good for this sinful world.  ;D

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Re: Lamentations of the Flame Princess
« Reply #263 on: September 15, 2021, 02:54:00 AM »
Again, I think LotFP is a terrific BX implementation. It certainly deserves a new edition - I'd prefer a magic system that was less weird sex stuff though but still had some of those great innovations (random dangerous results, level-less).

I also really liked the system in EC/VAM. I did not lift a single spell from those books, but I did use them for inspiration on how to create spells for a short campaign. I also changed the d12 casting chart to 2d6, with more extreme effects on the edges. But you are right, the innovations and level-less nature is fantastic.

I also really like the playtest rules and just dropped an advertisement to my group to run another game with them. I know I am in the minority there, and James has already said he has no plans to use them (as is at least). However, they provide a fast and loose game that breaks free from any lingering B/X ties, which were already thin, if not invisible, at our table.
I think the play test rules are hit and miss. The new magic system is great and makes the magic fit the tone of the game, the new saves are decent and the modified Skill system is good. All weapons doing the same damage, Strength only affecting how much you can carry (buy a mule and lose almost all dependence on strength, as my players have demonstrated), forced individual initiative and the new parry rule are things I’m not as much of a fan of.

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« Reply #264 on: September 15, 2021, 11:31:04 AM »
I think the play test rules are hit and miss. The new magic system is great and makes the magic fit the tone of the game, the new saves are decent and the modified Skill system is good. All weapons doing the same damage, Strength only affecting how much you can carry (buy a mule and lose almost all dependence on strength, as my players have demonstrated), forced individual initiative and the new parry rule are things I’m not as much of a fan of.

Totally fair. The weapon damage and then the interaction between weapon type and armor is fiddly as well. I think Parry and the Holding Action is something I am looking forward to seeing in action more, we did not really use it much.

I am okay with Strength for the most part. Our LotFP characters are basically senior citizens by levels 5-6 and removing to hit with Strength and Dexterity elevates fighters. That leaves, to your point, carrying capacity and opening doors/gates. My OD&D/Basic games have a little door action, but in LotFP the emphasis just isn’t there, so we have not missed it.

In the 17th century I would expect unattended mules would be good targets for theft, or lord knows what the horror monster would do to one if you tried to walk it across the cornfield in Tales from the Scarecrow. But I get your point, and if one ever finds themselves gaming around to make a mechanic work better, in this case elevating carrying capacity importance by fucking with mules, it is probably means the mechanic is questionable. Good points all around.


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Re: Lamentations of the Flame Princess
« Reply #265 on: September 15, 2021, 12:29:11 PM »
I think the play test rules are hit and miss. The new magic system is great and makes the magic fit the tone of the game, the new saves are decent and the modified Skill system is good. All weapons doing the same damage, Strength only affecting how much you can carry (buy a mule and lose almost all dependence on strength, as my players have demonstrated), forced individual initiative and the new parry rule are things I’m not as much of a fan of.

Totally fair. The weapon damage and then the interaction between weapon type and armor is fiddly as well. I think Parry and the Holding Action is something I am looking forward to seeing in action more, we did not really use it much.

I am okay with Strength for the most part. Our LotFP characters are basically senior citizens by levels 5-6 and removing to hit with Strength and Dexterity elevates fighters. That leaves, to your point, carrying capacity and opening doors/gates. My OD&D/Basic games have a little door action, but in LotFP the emphasis just isn’t there, so we have not missed it.

In the 17th century I would expect unattended mules would be good targets for theft, or lord knows what the horror monster would do to one if you tried to walk it across the cornfield in Tales from the Scarecrow. But I get your point, and if one ever finds themselves gaming around to make a mechanic work better, in this case elevating carrying capacity importance by fucking with mules, it is probably means the mechanic is questionable. Good points all around.

Guarding your shit while you are in the dungeon/haunted house/whatever is why you have hirelings. Players in my campaigns did that before we started using the playtest rules and they will likely do it if we go back to not using them. It also nixed one of the neat ideas on the character sheet, that of having five equipment rows spell out "+1 encumbrance". So it has made the encumbrance rules far fiddlier and the character sheet less useful, and the great encumbrance system was one of the strengths of LotFP.

LotFP currently lacks any and all rules for jumping, and sometimes its adventures seem designed as if jumping is impossible ("oooh, a pit that's ten feet wide, however shall we get across that?"). Strength could be used for jump distance, as well as opening stuck doors, without going back to influencing armor penetration. Dexterity on the other hand still affects fights, as it controls initiative, and initiative is really important (striking first often means striking last as well). So this has elevated Dex in relation to Str for Fighters. There must be something else Dex can govern. Because in general I agree with you, freeing the classes up from depending too much on ability scores has been good.

I do like what Charisma, Constitution, Intelligence and Wisdom do though.
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Re: Lamentations of the Flame Princess
« Reply #266 on: September 15, 2021, 04:22:04 PM »
I think the play test rules are hit and miss. The new magic system is great and makes the magic fit the tone of the game, the new saves are decent and the modified Skill system is good. All weapons doing the same damage, Strength only affecting how much you can carry (buy a mule and lose almost all dependence on strength, as my players have demonstrated), forced individual initiative and the new parry rule are things I’m not as much of a fan of.

Totally fair. The weapon damage and then the interaction between weapon type and armor is fiddly as well. I think Parry and the Holding Action is something I am looking forward to seeing in action more, we did not really use it much.

I am okay with Strength for the most part. Our LotFP characters are basically senior citizens by levels 5-6 and removing to hit with Strength and Dexterity elevates fighters. That leaves, to your point, carrying capacity and opening doors/gates. My OD&D/Basic games have a little door action, but in LotFP the emphasis just isn’t there, so we have not missed it.

In the 17th century I would expect unattended mules would be good targets for theft, or lord knows what the horror monster would do to one if you tried to walk it across the cornfield in Tales from the Scarecrow. But I get your point, and if one ever finds themselves gaming around to make a mechanic work better, in this case elevating carrying capacity importance by fucking with mules, it is probably means the mechanic is questionable. Good points all around.

Guarding your shit while you are in the dungeon/haunted house/whatever is why you have hirelings. Players in my campaigns did that before we started using the playtest rules and they will likely do it if we go back to not using them. It also nixed one of the neat ideas on the character sheet, that of having five equipment rows spell out "+1 encumbrance". So it has made the encumbrance rules far fiddlier and the character sheet less useful, and the great encumbrance system was one of the strengths of LotFP.

LotFP currently lacks any and all rules for jumping, and sometimes its adventures seem designed as if jumping is impossible ("oooh, a pit that's ten feet wide, however shall we get across that?"). Strength could be used for jump distance, as well as opening stuck doors, without going back to influencing armor penetration. Dexterity on the other hand still affects fights, as it controls initiative, and initiative is really important (striking first often means striking last as well). So this has elevated Dex in relation to Str for Fighters. There must be something else Dex can govern. Because in general I agree with you, freeing the classes up from depending too much on ability scores has been good.

I do like what Charisma, Constitution, Intelligence and Wisdom do though.

Agreed, I love those other four.

With the play test rules reducing each ability to a single purpose, I considered dumping the ability score names altogether. At this point they are just a single item derivative, so why not use the name of what they do?

Strength replaced by carrying capacity, dexterity replaced by initiative, constitution by hit point die, etc.

The benefit is it further disassociates characters from traditional ttrpg characters, which is helpful when approaching weird fantasy. The detractor is obviously the pucker factor of eschewing ability scores, which isn’t much of a factor for me personally. As I am typing this though, I think I’ve made up my mind to try it for the next game. Thanks for the conversation.

RE: jumping…off the top of my head I think I did something like 10-encumbrance points in feet for a standing jump, with 50% increase to that number for a running one. But yes, they lack jumping rules (although they do have excavation rules!). In LotFP I do not do a lot of the traditional dungeon delving things like stuck doors, jumping, swimming, etc unless it is under major duress.

Earlier I mentioned parry when I should have said guard. Still have parry burned into my brain!