Quote from: AsenRG;1011803I've still not lost a PC in CoC;). Last time I actually played a dilettante with no combat skills, it was the CoC7 Free RPG Day adventure.

If living a long time is your goal, you want a character with foreign languages or occult skill and no weapon skills. I had a journalist character that lasted in a campaign of a couple of years without dying. I had great mundane investigation skills, so my character was actually useful during play, it's just that when combat broke out, the characters that actually had combat skills would leap in and die, and when we found creepy grimoires, the occult-obsessed characters that could read Latin would take over.

This was only my second CoC character ever, and I didn't actually follow this strategy on purpose. I just wanted to play a '20s newspaper reporter. I just realized the benefits of my character build over time. I also came to realize that sometimes I'd rather play the character at more risk to go crazy and die, so I have never made this character build again.

Quote from: Baulderstone;1011804If living a long time is your goal, you want a character with foreign languages or occult skill and no weapon skills.

Actually, my Dilettante only knew French and no Occult to speak of, but he had weapons skills. He just wasn't carrying the relevant weapons when we got to the confrontation:).
Which was better than another PC, who had absolutely no weapons. So I had to loan him my rapier cane, which I was skilled with. I was worried he might make a mess if I was to give him my S&W, especially after we saw the crates with TNT in the sorcerer's lair;).

Quote from: JimLotFP;1011393I haven't really kept up on the blogs regularly for years, I'm just following a specific subset of people these days and they're certainly not saying "This way is THE way!" Was wondering if you were following someone who was saying that or were just twisting people saying "This is the best, my favorite, more of this woohoo!"

But, as expected, you didn't give a straight answer so who knows where your opinion comes from. Makes you look like you're completely full of shit.

And you ask for specific examples so that you can then nitpick details out of 10 years of blogging or whatever to claim "no see, he doesn't mean that! He said this one time 'you can play whatever style you want' so that invalidates 100 posts where he implied that if you didn't play his particular way you weren't a real old-school gamer!"

Here's a rule: if something has become so much a part of common knowledge that it's a stereotype, you don't really need 'evidence'. If I say "Evangelical Christians are preachy", and you try to claim that there isn't a single preachy christian on earth, the onus is on you to explain why something so commonly known is somehow totally wrong.

Ridiculous denials don't require any response other than ridicule.

Quote from: estar;1011481Come to think of it doesn't the Pundit run an ongoing DCC RPG campaign? The RPG only has character funnels and ludicrously deadly random table and dungeons.

I've run a DCC campaign for like 5 years now. There are players with characters as high as 8th level there (in a game where 10th is the maximum and ridiculously powerful compared to a 10th level D&D PC).

Now, mind you, you bring up an interesting point: if I was to say "there's a contingent of DCC fanboys who claim that the only thing DCC should be used for is ultra-lethal character-funnel games", I wouldn't really need to go and write an essay with citations of this, because it's so endemic to RPG forums and blogs and social media that only a retard would pretend it wasn't true.

But you can use DCC for something so much more than that.

And speaking of which, my RPGPundit Presents series will be full of material from my own DCC Last Sun campaign that people will be able to use to run in DCC games that are about more than deadly dungeons for 0-level characters.


It's also going to gradually lay out my campaign world.  This has already started, with my Pundit Presents issue on Hipster Elves!

Quote from: RPGPundit;1012888Now, mind you, you bring up an interesting point: if I was to say "there's a contingent of DCC fanboys who claim that the only thing DCC should be used for is ultra-lethal character-funnel games", I wouldn't really need to go and write an essay with citations of this, because it's so endemic to RPG forums and blogs and social media that only a retard would pretend it wasn't true.

But you can use DCC for something so much more than that.

So to the paint DCC and its adventure solely about ultra-lethal character-funnels isn't the complete picture. That the reality is more nuanced and complex.

To me you acting just like a person who read the DCC RPG, what people say about and concludes that is only good for running lethal character funnels. Yet obviously it more than that because it inspired you to create everything that in your campaign including hipster elves.

Death Frost Doom and weird horror in general is not how I generally roll with the fantasy genre in my campaigns.However I recognize that is struck a chord with many in the hobby. Enough that it is a Gold Seller on RPGNow and a PLATINUM seller on DriveThruRPG.  Now isn't possible that despite your criticism and dislike that it is possible that other people are seeing something you are not? Just like you see that the DCC RPG can be more than just lethal character funnels.

Do people not like the lethal character funnels in DCC?

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1012908Do people not like the lethal character funnels in DCC?

Yes there are people who find the lethal character funnel of the DCC RPG stupid, and some that even think that the only thing that the game is good for or at least is all about over the top blood, gore, and mayhem.

The problem is that the hobby likes to simplistically peg an RPG as being about only one thing. Or in this particular an adventure.  I find this rarely to be case as even narrow RPGs and adventures are windows to a larger world even if isn't much is written about that world in the product itself.

I though Pundit originally liked Lotfp and Death Frost Doom.  His criticism is that after Death Frost Doom raggi kept using the same schtick (with exceptions like Better Than Any Man and what not) and that if its not worth it going on an adventure or exploring the dungeon, its a negadungeon.
By the way I think most of the Lotfp aren't "negadungeons" even if there is a subset of people that actually specifically enjoy negadungeons (maybe for the horror factor?).  
In any case isn't Pundits critic pretty much the same from Bryce Lynch's ten foot pole reviews? (Of which many are very positive).
Sometimes I think Pundits absolutist way of saying things causes more opposition than what he is actually saying.

Quote from: estar;1012907So to the paint DCC and its adventure solely about ultra-lethal character-funnels isn't the complete picture. That the reality is more nuanced and complex.

To me you acting just like a person who read the DCC RPG, what people say about and concludes that is only good for running lethal character funnels. Yet obviously it more than that because it inspired you to create everything that in your campaign including hipster elves.

Death Frost Doom and weird horror in general is not how I generally roll with the fantasy genre in my campaigns.However I recognize that is struck a chord with many in the hobby. Enough that it is a Gold Seller on RPGNow and a PLATINUM seller on DriveThruRPG.  Now isn't possible that despite your criticism and dislike that it is possible that other people are seeing something you are not? Just like you see that the DCC RPG can be more than just lethal character funnels.

I don't deny that there's people who put negadungeons and fantasy-fucking-vietnam into one part of a larger context, just as there are DCC players who do more than ultra-lethal funnels.

That doesn't change the fact  that there are a lot of people who use DCC for nothing but funnels, and people who get incredibly pretentious about negadungeons and fantasy-fucking-vietnam as if these were some kind of more evolved or sophisticated type of OSR play, or the 'right' way to run D&D.

Quote from: Malfi;1013073I though Pundit originally liked Lotfp and Death Frost Doom.

I still like LotFP. As a system, it was real genius in its time.

Yeah I don't see how the thing you get out of dcc is just the funnel. I mean its obviously kinda gimmicky, but its also obvious that dcc has lots of crazier stuff than that.
The weird thing about dcc is its supposed to be very lethal but at high levels it may be very easy to overwhelm even level appropriate opposition.

Quote from: AsenRG;1011563Dark Heresy, or another 40k game where "Close your mind" is the right attitude:D!

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.

Pundit, Zak did put in a way to get past the creature (that replaces the vine), so it definitely is possible to get what you came for and not release the Zombipocalypse.  Kubasik's not lying or cheating.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1013657That doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of people who use DCC for nothing but funnels, and people who get incredibly pretentious about negadungeons and fantasy-fucking-vietnam as if these were some kind of more evolved or sophisticated type of OSR play, or the 'right' way to run D&D.

I don't know how many people actually just play DCC as funnels... the funnel gets a lot of talk but it alone forgoes nearly the entire rulebook in regards to the PCs. I hear the noise but doubt all that many people are just playing funnels.
I can't say I've ever seen anyone saying that 'negadungeons' are the right way to play D&D... unless you're using some wacky definition of what a 'negadungeon' is... which you probably are. Who is saying this?

Quote from: Malfi;1013661The weird thing about dcc is its supposed to be very lethal but at high levels it may be very easy to overwhelm even level appropriate opposition.

It can still be quite lethal at higher levels if you're careless. Last night our group was very nearly TPKd in one shot by a dragon... well, it was a TPK but the GM pulled a (fairly plausible) bit of dragon-ex-machina. The only permadeath was my 5th level wizard... who had earlier taken out a whole beastman warband with one spell.
It's easy to start feeling very powerful and make dumbass moves (but it wasn't my idea to put the entire party on the back of a dragon and fly into battle).

Quote from: Simlasa;1013712It can still be quite lethal at higher levels if you're careless. Last night our group was very nearly TPKd in one shot by a dragon... well, it was a TPK but the GM pulled a (fairly plausible) bit of dragon-ex-machina. The only permadeath was my 5th level wizard... who had earlier taken out a whole beastman warband with one spell.
It's easy to start feeling very powerful and make dumbass moves (but it wasn't my idea to put the entire party on the back of a dragon and fly into battle).

The thing that scares me in dcc are the high hd monster crits. There is pretty much nothing you can do about them.
Also dragons in dcc are really on another level compared to normal monsters and it seems that having a dragon on yourside doesn't help against the evil dragons breath weapon.