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Author Topic: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon  (Read 8674 times)

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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2022, 01:27:22 AM »

Greg Gillespie is also releasing an OSR ruleset next year, which he said is similar to Advanced Labyrinth Lord.  I believe Greg wanted to buy the rights to Labyrinth Lord, but Dan Proctor apparently had other plans for the game.

Has Greg said more on this? I'm curious whether he is changing anything or whether its just Advanced Labyrinth Lord rewritten, with his high quality standard as Barrowmaze, etc.

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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2022, 08:44:37 AM »

Greg Gillespie is also releasing an OSR ruleset next year, which he said is similar to Advanced Labyrinth Lord.  I believe Greg wanted to buy the rights to Labyrinth Lord, but Dan Proctor apparently had other plans for the game.

Has Greg said more on this? I'm curious whether he is changing anything or whether its just Advanced Labyrinth Lord rewritten, with his high quality standard as Barrowmaze, etc.

He hasn't said alot about it yet.  Mainly just that it will be a mix of D&D Basic and AD&D, the books won't be digest-sized (he doesn't like digest-sized books) and that he was disappointed in the art in the OSE books, so his books will have the kind of old-school art that he prefers. 


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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2022, 06:27:44 PM »
There is now a free preview of Labyrinth Lord Second Edition up on DriveThruRGP:

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/419358/Labyrinth-Lord-Second-Edition-Preview

First impression?  I think the art and layout look rather awful.  :o   

OSE has nothing to worry about.  And I have no doubt that Greg Gillespie's new rulebook will look alot nicer than this.

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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2022, 06:37:27 PM »
Wow...wtf was wrong with the original layout? Rather pedestrian, but looked like a rulebook. I have no idea what this is...was excited to see a second edition, but there is zero way I am paying for this.
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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2022, 09:27:43 PM »
I don't mind the borders and layout so much, but the general level of the artwork is really low.  First edition LL artwork was lousy, but to me it seems that colored lousy artwork is much worse than black & white line art.  He bragged about upping the production values to give fans what they expect nowadays.  Surely this can't be what his feedback told him people want?

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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2022, 11:03:34 PM »
Dreadful.  Glad I have the original edition, because I won't be getting this.  Ugh.

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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2022, 06:21:50 AM »
I'm really not liking what I am seeing with the art, borders, and layout. Printing full color like that will be expensive, which means a higher priced book to sell.

And "Hobfolk"? WTF?
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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2022, 07:11:20 AM »
Yeah, the artwork it very amateurish. He could have commissioned my daughter to produce better work. Maybe I'll bring it up to him. Her stuff is a bit cartoon-ish (a mix of old school Warner Bros style and anime), but who knows.

Besides from what I've read on the Facebook page, the differences between 1st and 2nd edition are mostly cosmetic anyway. Honestly, he should just go with black and white and not color.

I'm going to see if she can reproduce some of the artwork in the preview, but in her style.
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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2022, 08:19:51 AM »
I don't mind the borders and layout so much, but the general level of the artwork is really low.  First edition LL artwork was lousy, but to me it seems that colored lousy artwork is much worse than black & white line art.  He bragged about upping the production values to give fans what they expect nowadays.  Surely this can't be what his feedback told him people want?

If the artwork was left as the original black and white line drawings you can very clearly tell it started as, most of it would be perfectly serviceable. Some of it might even rise to "good". But colorizing it ruined it.

.... Not that picture of elf in the dress, though. There's no saving that picture.

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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2022, 09:05:50 AM »
I am going to go against what alot of what people have said.

I dont mind the art, could be better but it gives me enough to get the feeling of the world.

As for the rules, I like what I see so far and could see myself switching from 5e to this (or at least running this in a another game).  The more I run 5e the less I like it.

I am very interested in this.
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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2022, 09:28:34 AM »
I kind of like the art actually. I don't have 1e, so I can't compare.

The art has character, as opposed to a lot of the milquetoast cartoony art you see from WotC these days.
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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2022, 09:28:53 AM »
I am going to go against what alot of what people have said.

I dont mind the art, could be better but it gives me enough to get the feeling of the world.

As for the rules, I like what I see so far and could see myself switching from 5e to this (or at least running this in a another game).  The more I run 5e the less I like it.

I am very interested in this.

The art is "fine", but the page border and soul-sucking grey background of +2 eyestrain are sins against all that is good and proper in book design.

The rules are what they are. If you like the, you can already get basically the same thing either from LL1E or other OSR products.

I kind of like the art actually. I don't have 1e, so I can't compare.

The art has character, as opposed to a lot of the milquetoast cartoony art you see from WotC these days.

And that character is "staple-bound black and white homebrew "it's totally not D&D, guys!" self-published RPG distributed at a convention in the early 80s". If that's what they were going for, they nailed it.

I will say, I actually kinda liked the big dragon picture.
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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2022, 06:40:38 AM »
Looks hideous. I wonder what Kidd's involvement is - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Kidd

I liked Kidd's raunchy, Furry take on Star Trek in The Lucanii Drift for Starships & Spacemen. I wonder how his proclivities will affect Labyrinth Lord.

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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2022, 06:56:23 AM »
I have B/X. I also have OSE. What would LL 2e give me?

That's what I was thinking.
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Re: Labyrinth Lord 2 coming soon
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2022, 05:24:03 PM »
I am going to go against what alot of what people have said.

I dont mind the art, could be better but it gives me enough to get the feeling of the world.

As for the rules, I like what I see so far and could see myself switching from 5e to this (or at least running this in a another game).  The more I run 5e the less I like it.

I am very interested in this.

Hey, it's cool to speak up and admit to liking something that other people are criticizing.  It gives the creator a little positive feedback.
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