Quote from: Koltar;340850I DID say it was a rumor.

The guy that said it could be full of bullshit.

However......it is sort of within the realm of plausibility.


- Ed C.

Which guy?
Give us the details.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;340935But Gygax retained control over Gord, didn't he? And Gord is a character straight out of Greyhawk....so wouldn't the Gygax estate be able to publish products relating to that? I was rereading "Sea of Death" a few weeks ago, and I'm now holding in my hands one of the "Gord the Rogue" books that Gygax published. What do you guys think of the copyright and trademark notice in the front of the book...? Does anyone out there know anything about Trigee Enterprises Corporation?

Trigee is Gail Gygax's company, now renamed "Gygax Games".

Quote from: RPGPundit;340818In another thread, Koltar said:



Has anyone else ever heard this? Does anyone have any proof?

RPGPundit

Heard it? yes.

Seen proof? No.

Quote from: aramis;340963Heard it? yes.

Seen proof? No.

Good.

I'm not the only one then. *

Maybe its one of those "Where there's smoke, there's fire" things.


- Ed C.


* Well 3 other people were in the store at the time.

Hey Koltar how about an answer to Pundys question.

Quote from: RPGPundit;340938Which guy?
Give us the details.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;340935But Gygax retained control over Gord, didn't he? And Gord is a character straight out of Greyhawk....so wouldn't the Gygax estate be able to publish products relating to that? I was rereading "Sea of Death" a few weeks ago, and I'm now holding in my hands one of the "Gord the Rogue" books that Gygax published. What do you guys think of the copyright and trademark notice in the front of the book...?

I think it says very clearly that:

Characters, towns, places, and landmarks from that product [the WORLD OF GREYHAWK Fantasy Game Setting] are used pursuant to license from TSR, Inc.

TSR owned the rights. Gygax had to license them if he wanted Gord to run around in Greyhawk. How is that unclear?

Gygax is dead, after a few months or years of messing about trying to make money from producing their own stuff and coming up with only two things, Fuck All and Nothing, his heirs will sell away any copyrights or trademarks he had anyway.

Unless, I suppose, they're stubborn and stupid, in which case they might just hold onto them out of spite. But I doubt that. At some point they'll take the cash.

Quote from: Thanlis;340973I think it says very clearly that:

Characters, towns, places, and landmarks from that product [the WORLD OF GREYHAWK Fantasy Game Setting] are used pursuant to license from TSR, Inc.

TSR owned the rights. Gygax had to license them if he wanted Gord to run around in Greyhawk. How is that unclear?

Yeah, but it also says:

Quote from: the copyright and trademark section of Sea of DeathGORD THE ROGUE is a trademark owned by Trigee Enterprises Corporation.

That explicitly says that Gord is owned by Trigee Enterprises Corporation, which is presumably now Gygax Games. And didn't Gary get Troll Lords to publish some Castle Zagyg stuff that was basically unofficial Castle Greyhawk material? Troll Lords doesn't have control over that stuff now, but Gygax Games does. So call me crazy, but I think Gygax Games has enough material to build upon.

A couple of points.

Trigee is separate from Gygax-Games.  Pretty much anything Gary released post TSR was Trigee owned.  Biggest exception was Dangerous Journeys.

The Gord the Rogue license I believe worked like this (but I don't know for sure).

For use in fiction (not games--specifically for novels featuring Gord), Gary was allowed to reference anything WoG thing that was used in the first two novels to "protect continuity".  Thus, if a place, person, thing, was named in the first two novels he could use it.  He could also reference names that weren't unique, such as Asmodeus, Orcus, Demogorgon.  If it wasn't, he couldn't and had to use a pseudonym.  Even Zagyg became "Gigantos".  (I think Zagyg came about later after talking to Peter Atkinson).   I think it's a non-revocable license.

Outside of use of Zagyg, the Castle stuff Gary and Jeff wrote does not mention any deity by name, and avoids using TSR property.  There are hints for sure since you can't copyright ideas, and Gary's goal was more or less to have the castle be isolated.

QuoteGygax is dead, after a few months or years of messing about trying to make money from producing their own stuff and coming up with only two things, Fuck All and Nothing, his heirs will sell away any copyrights or trademarks he had anyway. Unless, I suppose, they're stubborn and stupid, in which case they might just hold onto them out of spite. But I doubt that. At some point they'll take the cash.

Gary's heir is Gail.  And some of you people think that publishing is quick.  It's not.  It took three years, for instance, for Yggsburg to go from manuscript to print.  Gary's had LA stuff waiting to be printed for over a decade.  When licenses are pulled, it's a time for introspection and analysis.  

Y'know, I am getting sick of stubborn and selfish fans who think that waiting a few more years for Castle Zagyg or anything else is more important that Gail and company taking things slow, especially after a loved one dies!  I think anybody who loved Gary should look at this picture.  What is "spiteful" about protecting Gary's legacy?  And Gary wanted to make money too, okay?  We have no idea if Gary's stuff was making a profit or loss, and there's a bigger picture at stake.  Did people think she should just give away all of Gary's writing for free?!

Quote from: JRT;341013Y'know, I am getting sick of stubborn and selfish fans who think that waiting a few more years for Castle Zagyg or anything else is more important that Gail and company taking things slow, especially after a loved one dies!  I think anybody who loved Gary should look at this picture.  What is "spiteful" about protecting Gary's legacy?  And Gary wanted to make money too, okay?  We have no idea if Gary's stuff was making a profit or loss, and there's a bigger picture at stake.  Did people think she should just give away all of Gary's writing for free?!

First post huh...who are you?

Quote from: JRT;341013A couple of points.

Trigee is separate from Gygax-Games.

No, it is not.  Gygax Games is a DBA of Trigee Enterprises Co.. Same company.  It is in their press releases, like the Mongoose press release.

And if you do a whois on gygax-games.com you will find the owner is:

Trigee Enterprises Co.
316 Madison St.
Lake Geneva, Wisconsin 53147
United States

Quote from: Joethelawyer;341020First post huh...who are you?

Who cares ? First post and coming out swinging is perfectly acceptable here.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David R;341028Who cares ? First post and coming out swinging is perfectly acceptable here.

Regards,
David R

Not just acceptable, it's actually preferred.  Just wondering if he has another identity on other boards we would recognize him as.  His points sound familiar from the ENWorld days.  Plus any first poster that comes out swinging in the way he did, with anger and a point to make, along with a shitload of knowledge on a specific narrow point, I automatically suspect as being a sockpuppet.

It sounds like noone knows what going on with Grayhawk. At leadst no one here.

Quote from: RPGPundit;340938Which guy?
Give us the details.

RPGPundit

Sorry...I missed this when first scanning pages...

Not a lot of "details" to give.

The guy is a somewhat regular browser and customer to the store. I overheard him saying the comment in my OP to two other browsers while he was looking over our D&D section. At the same time I was finishing up a mini-inventory of Mayfair Games products we had on shelf, then had to accept and 'receive' a delivery of Coke products soft drinks,...and oh yeah ring up a customer.

 Thats what was happening during 30 minutes or so that he was in the store.

I heard that little bit of conversation and thought: "HUh, thats interesting...I wonder if it might be true."

It was a busy Monday aftrernoon.

Like I said, it might be B.S. or it might be true.

- Ed C.