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Author Topic: Kobold Press bends the knee  (Read 2996 times)

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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2022, 03:08:40 PM »
So things have gotten so bad, that we now need restrictions on playing make-believe fantasy games?

Homebrew.  Do what you want to do.  Piss on that silly SJW nonsense.

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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2022, 03:43:05 PM »
So, this is the paragraph that had everybody's panties in a twist:
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Arabia is the D&D world’s version of Spring Break: you go there for a change of scenery. For this game, you don’t want or need to understand the difference between Shiite and Sunni, or the difference between Persian folklore and Arabian folklore. You just need to know whether the fire mages are on your side or not, and maybe a few simple rules of behavior: the bond of salt, the times of prayer, or the correct way to speed a camel through the desert.
Let's try a little experiment and change some things up.
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The Savage North is the D&D world’s version of Spring Break: you go there for a change of scenery. For this game, you don’t want or need to understand the difference between Aesir and Vanir, or the difference between Norse folklore and Germanic folklore. You just need to know whether the ice mages are on your side or not, and maybe a few simple rules of behavior: the bond of fire, the times of prayer, or the correct way to walk in snow shoes through the tundra.
Are you white people offended by that?
No?! Ohh...

The fact that the linked article opens with, "Someday, in some glorious future, white people won’t say stupid things that show how oblivious they are to the things that people of color have had to deal with, every day, ever since someone decided to define some people as white to begin with," tells you ALL you need to know about the real motivation behind this "outrage:" it was a white dude talking about brown culture. OF COURSE there had to be something racist in there... they just needed to dig around really good and look for it.

Also, author of article says this: "[Being white] also means that I need to address problems when they come up, especially when it’s in media I enjoy and promote, and when it was produced by people that have similar privilege to what I enjoy." Don't worry brown folx! The White Savior is here to free you from the oppression of tepidly-worded guides on world building.

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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2022, 03:50:43 PM »
Okay, here's the original version for comparison

For those of us who don't want to do the same work you already did, can you paste just the excised part? Thanks!


EDIT: Thanks Effete
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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2022, 04:00:21 PM »
Counterpoint: Real-world cultures ARE playgrounds for characters to run wildly in.
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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2022, 04:07:14 PM »
Counterpoint: Real-world cultures ARE playgrounds for characters to run wildly in.

Hey, real-world ... quit calling Daytona your "Spring Break destination", bigots!

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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2022, 04:10:01 PM »
Here's the source of the hub bub:
https://whatdoiknowjr.com/2022/09/10/spring-break-and-kobold-press/

In summary woke critic needs to tear down ex-TSR employee's work from 12 years ago that was republished in a 2nd edition of an old book because the current Kickstarter has the audacity to include bio-essentialism in ability scores.

Good god, what the hell was that?  Another weak willed beta apologizing because he's a straight, white, male.  Disgusting.

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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2022, 04:10:47 PM »
Okay, here's the original version for comparison

For those of us who don't want to do the same work you already did, can you paste just the excised part? Thanks!


EDIT: Thanks Effete

No problem. For the record, I pulled it from the linked article a few posts up. The two blurbs that BoxCrayon posted aren't just similar... they are EXACTLY the same. The removed paragraph does not appear in either one (I realized this only after reading both, twice).

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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2022, 04:19:09 PM »
real-world cultures are not playgrounds for characters to run wildly in.
Does this include say... fantasy versions of medieval britain, the basis for the vast majority of official and unofficial D&D campaigns?
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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2022, 04:21:42 PM »
Does this include say... fantasy versions of medieval britain, the basis for the vast majority of official and unofficial D&D campaigns?
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Nope, didn't you get the memo?  People of European descent don't get to complain when everyone else scrambles to appropriate and pervert the European basis on which everything has at the foundation in D&D.
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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2022, 04:33:09 PM »
Does this include say... fantasy versions of medieval britain, the basis for the vast majority of official and unofficial D&D campaigns?
 :o

Nope, didn't you get the memo?  People of European descent don't get to complain when everyone else scrambles to appropriate and pervert the European basis on which everything has at the foundation in D&D.
Exactly. No samurai character for you (unless you have a documented minimum quanta of Japanese blood). In other news, there's yet another anime just released that further bastardizes an already bastardized version of D&D. Makes perfect sense, no?
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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2022, 04:34:53 PM »
Here's the source of the hub bub:
https://whatdoiknowjr.com/2022/09/10/spring-break-and-kobold-press/

In summary woke critic needs to tear down ex-TSR employee's work from 12 years ago that was republished in a 2nd edition of an old book because the current Kickstarter has the audacity to include bio-essentialism in ability scores.

Had the author, but not the essay.

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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2022, 04:35:12 PM »
real-world cultures are not playgrounds for characters to run wildly in.
Does this include say... fantasy versions of medieval britain, the basis for the vast majority of official and unofficial D&D campaigns?
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Sounds like SOMEONE here needs to check their privilege.

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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2022, 04:37:00 PM »
I have no idea what the fuck is actually going on. What was the original essay and what is the revised version for comparison?

I'm looking at my copy to figure that out now.

My guesses are it is one of the following:

How Real is Your World? On History and Setting by Wolfgang Baur
Bringing History to Life by Keith Baker

I can't say I'm surprised. I saw volume 3 at the FLGS and looking through it thought it would make Monte Cook Games blush while being asked out by Evil Hat.


Yeah, those essays are completely absent from the digital copy I just purchased to check. How many essays are there supposed to be? My copy has 40

Ah, I had the wrong book...I was looking at World Building Volume I, not Game Design.  Kobold has both.

Appears it was the Baur book in the latter.

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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2022, 04:39:51 PM »
Nope, didn't you get the memo?  People of European descent don't get to complain when everyone else scrambles to appropriate and pervert the European basis on which everything has at the foundation in D&D.

IDK. The Irish seem to make a compelling case against Amazon's Rings of Sewer.
The producer of the show said they wanted it to reflect the real world, then they give the filthy, starving hobbits terrible stage-Irish accents. One can only presume that's how they see the "real world" Irish.

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Re: Kobold Press bends the knee
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2022, 04:41:40 PM »
real-world cultures are not playgrounds for characters to run wildly in.
Does this include say... fantasy versions of medieval britain, the basis for the vast majority of official and unofficial D&D campaigns?
 :o

No...as we're repeatedly told, white people have no culture (mostly by white leftists at that) and thus they are not a real-world culture.

D&D, as a proxy for the hobby, has been a fad 3 times...the first arguably ended with BADD as part of a moral panic (Satanism), the second (3x) just ran its course, and now the third seems to be likely to end with a mix of moral panic (Social Justic) and corporatism. Hopefully like the mid-80s we'll keep a lot of people who got beyond D&D and have some who will come back in 15 years (which seemed to happen a lot with D&D 3).

Oddly, despite similar politics, I don't see the SJWs sticking like a lot of the WW types did when it competed somewhat successfully for "face of the hobby" status.

Me, I'm just finding people who want to play games.