Kickstarter page here. It's a compilation of Fighting Fantasy monsters which didn't get into the original Out of the Pit (there were a lot of them - Out of the Pit came out in 1985, when the Fighting Fantasy craze had barely begun, so you're not dealing with a bunch of rejects that weren't good enough for the first volume).

As a backer of Graham's previous Kickstarter (Maelstrom: Domesday) I can confirm that Graham's been just the right level of communicative throughout the project - giving enough updates to reassure that things are ticking along at a nice pace but not so many as to be overwhelming or redundant - and he seems to be on track to get Maelstrom: Domesday out at Dragonmeet early next month. What's sold me on this Kickstarter is that apparently the book is already at a late enough point in its development that it'll go to print almost as soon as the Kickstarter ends - the Kickstarter is literally just a matter of paying the printing costs.

Do I have the conversion right?  Is that $35 for a softcover?  Plus another $8 for shipping outside the UK?

One of the things I've been happy about with the new AFF thus far is that none of it has gone through Kickstarter...oh well.

Quote from: Bobloblah;705522One of the things I've been happy about with the new AFF thus far is that none of it has gone through Kickstarter...oh well.

Blacksand was funded via Indiegogo: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/aff-blacksand-book/x/332342

Quote from: Technomancer;705521Do I have the conversion right?  Is that $35 for a softcover?  Plus another $8 for shipping outside the UK?

Yep, according to xe.com. Obviously actual conversion is done in 4 weeks time.

Quote from: Technomancer;705521Do I have the conversion right?  Is that $35 for a softcover?  Plus another $8 for shipping outside the UK?

About that yeah. A snip at only 30% more than they're currently selling "Out of the Pit" for on their own web page...

I suppose I could be wrong in the assumption that this will likewise be a 128pg B&W book, but given they both claim 250 monsters it seems likely.

Yeah, Kickstarter takes a cut, so that's at least some of that difference.

Didn't know Blacksand funded through Indiegogo, as I never use it.

Quote from: Bobloblah;705531Didn't know Blacksand funded through Indiegogo, as I never use it.

I am guessing that's why Graham has shifted to using Kickstarter.

Quote from: Bobloblah;705531Yeah, Kickstarter takes a cut, so that's at least some of that difference.

Yeah, but Cubicle 7 will take a cut too for selling the books he's selling through them.

At the end of the day, the Kickstarter needs to provide him sufficient profit to meet his fixed costs for printing, so he can price reward levels at whatever the hell he wants. But ultimately anyone offering rewards that are just "the book you can buy in shops later" has to recognise that some potential backers will choose not to fund if you're charging more than they'll pay later in store.

Right now, unless you want the deluxe edition, the rational decision for a potential backer is just to favourite the drive and back at the last moment if it looks like it might not fund, and so your pledge is needed to ensure the book exists. Or to put it another way - to hope that enough other people pay the premium so you don't have to.

Yes, assuming that the book doesn't end up costing more overall.

Quote from: Bobloblah;705538Yes, assuming that the book doesn't end up costing more overall.

There's not a single AFF book over £20 currently - http://shop.cubicle7store.com/epages/es113347.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es113347_shop/Categories/Advanced_Fighting_Fantasy

I understand. I own them. I'm simply pointing out that we don't yet know if this is the new normal, or not. As you pointed out, it's a bit daft if this isn't the pricing going forward. Perhaps someone should point this out to Graham.

Remember the pledge amounts include baseline shipping as well. Looking at C7's site, I would say that the £22 includes at least £2 shipping (with it being £7 for international). That makes the book £20.

I seem to remember the price was the reason I didn't back the indiegogo campaign. Why pay more for now for the exact same product that will be in a store for cheaper?

I guess it could be a ransom kinda thing, where if you really want to see this book out, you pay, and then it can go out into general distribution for potentially less cost.

That's unfortunate, and seems to be treating it like a true patronage model. The Kickstarters I've previously followed rewarded their backers with below MSRP. I do want to see this book out, though, so I'll probably end up doing exactly what Grymbok was suggesting...