So not only is Eldritch Entertainment, the start-up proposed by Mentzer, Kask and Co. begging you for money (relevant portions here), now they're soliciting web design for free!

Yeah, sure, stunts like this will get you taken seriously.

Kellri was right about these guys years ago.

Quote from: KenHR;416190So not only is Eldritch Entertainment, the start-up proposed by Mentzer, Kask and Co. begging you for money (relevant portions here), now they're soliciting web design for free!

Yeah, sure, stunts like this will get you taken seriously.

Kellri was right about these guys years ago.

I love this part:

Quote from: Some Dragonsfoot Microserf... it will be very insecure (WP is open source which means anyone can get  the specs for the guts of your security), and it will be a maintenance  nightmare. If you are looking for a little site to post blogs and such,  WP will do fine, sure; otherwise I recommend a hand-coded site.

No shit, Sherlock.  The best cryptographic algorithms have been pored over by experts endlessly.  I can get the algorithms with a short Google search.  It's the keys it produces that make it secure, not the way it makes them.  I also like the backhanded swipe at open source; he seems to be forgetting that 60% (and increasing) of the Internet is run on open source server software (Linux and Apache), not to mention all the web technologies that are open source, like Perl, php, MySQL (mostly), PostGRES, Java(sort of) and dozens of others.

To the main point, though:  agreed, not a great way of doing business.  Granted, I have some skill at design and all, but it really isn't that hard to set up a blog and a set of forums.  Thanks to open source (hence part of my opening rant ), it is exceptionally inexpensive compared to using Windows and proprietary software to do the same thing.

Quote from: StormBringer;416197I love this part:
"... it will be very insecure (WP is open source which means anyone can get  the specs for the guts of your security), and it will be a maintenance  nightmare. If you are looking for a little site to post blogs and such,  WP will do fine, sure; otherwise I recommend a hand-coded site."

No shit, Sherlock.  The best cryptographic algorithms have been pored over by experts endlessly.  I can get the algorithms with a short Google search.  It's the keys it produces that make it secure, not the way it makes them.  I also like the backhanded swipe at open source; he seems to be forgetting that 60% (and increasing) of the Internet is run on open source server software (Linux and Apache), not to mention all the web technologies that are open source, like Perl, php, MySQL (mostly), PostGRES, Java(sort of) and dozens of others.

To the main point, though:  agreed, not a great way of doing business.  Granted, I have some skill at design and all, but it really isn't that hard to set up a blog and a set of forums.  Thanks to open source (hence part of my opening rant ), it is exceptionally inexpensive compared to using Windows and proprietary software to do the same thing.

I agree completely!  Well the bits I understood  If they have no money they should get a blog up and running then monetise it later.  Hell it's working for Raggi et al.  Also if they can't afford print run's then start small using Lulu or POD.  Starting a business by begging for money seems crass in the extreme to me.  Trading on old reputations and feelings of nostalgia.  These guys have missed the boat anyway unless they can provide something totally new and fresh.

I'll be happy to support them by buying their product. Not shares, not layout software, product. If it's made with a typewriter and run through a shoddy xerox, that's good enough for me if the content is great.

Also, great to reread that thread from a year ago with people, particularly J Arcane and Pundit, pontificating about how anyone who showed skepticism about the venture was deluded or just protective of their internet niche being taken over by pros.

Quote from: RPGPunditYes. Also, so much for the whole "The OSR-geeks are only being critical about the business-side of things". He basically expressed his number ONE fear about this venture being that these guys are Old-School Designers, not Old School "Renaissance" Designers.

Its like if a bunch of Rush Tribute Bands got together, and then got upset at the idea of Rush actually showing up, because they don't really get the Rush Tribute Band experience, and therefore couldn't possibly do a good job of playing a Rush song! Its fucking insanity!

Yeah, like that. So, Rush, show us the music. :cool:

Quote from: StormBringer;416197I love this part:
"... it will be very insecure (WP is open source which means anyone can get  the specs for the guts of your security), and it will be a maintenance  nightmare. If you are looking for a little site to post blogs and such,  WP will do fine, sure; otherwise I recommend a hand-coded site."

Well, to their credit this wasn't them talking, it was in a response posted by another Dragonsfoot denizen.  At least they admitted they had no knowledge of the stuff...

Awesome.
I cannot wait for the impending blogsphere brush war.
It will fucking rock.

More tempest in the teapot, please! :rolleyes:

Well, given the amazing previews of the new material from these guys we have seen in the year since they announced their venture, they deserve free labour! They are bursting with ideas and just need a little help to get it all out!



Wait....



oh yeah...:rolleyes:

I will judge them on their final product.

But I don't understand why they didn't create their company in the post-TSR era instead of waiting for the post-Gygax era.  

As for the "begging", I see zero problem asking fans for help.   But yes, it doesn't say "we're a well funded operation"...

I just spent twenty minuted trying to figure out who the hell these people are, and I'm only more lost, not less.

Quote from: kregmosier;416209Well, to their credit this wasn't them talking, it was in a response posted by another Dragonsfoot denizen.  At least they admitted they had no knowledge of the stuff...

Dammit, you are absolutely correct, I should have mentioned that.  Updating now.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;416252I just spent twenty minuted trying to figure out who the hell these people are, and I'm only more lost, not less.

RPGnet mod doesn't know who Frank Mentzer is, why am I not suprised.  Frank Mentzer was making RPGs when Ron Edwards was still sucking on his momma's cock.  How's that?

Quote from: CRKrueger;416257RPGnet mod doesn't know who Frank Mentzer is, why am I not suprised.  Frank Mentzer was making RPGs when Ron Edwards was still sucking on his momma's cock.  How's that?

The phrase "Mentzer Basic" comes to mind.  Kids these days, don't know their history.  

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;416252I just spent twenty minuted trying to figure out who the hell these people are, and I'm only more lost, not less.

RPG history Fail.

Quote from: CRKrueger;416257Frank Mentzer was making RPGs when Ron Edwards was still sucking on his momma's cock.  How's that?

*Looks on wikipedia*

Left TSR more-or-less with Gygax, has a new start-up.   Doesn't seem have any RPG credits after 1987 on my usual reference, though.  Mainly an editor and the like, which sounds promising in a start-up to me.

Huh.  Okay.