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Author Topic: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo  (Read 28307 times)

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #135 on: September 21, 2021, 06:47:56 PM »
(I promise this is on topic, it'll just take a second to show it)

So, a couple of years back, the National Football League (NFL) in the US had a series of very disturbing events, several caught on camera, of players abusing their girlfriends/spouses.  One was of a player punching his girlfriend so hard he knocked her out, then dragged her limp body into an elevator.  Another was a player pushing a woman down and then kicking her full force in the head (this player was dropped from his team, sat out a year, and is now a star on another team).

After these incidents, the NFL had its players tape public service announcements that ran before each game, imploring their fans not to abuse women.  This infuriated me, and many other people I knew.  As one wag put it, "Why are they lecturing me about this, when I've never abused a woman in my life?  I should be doing a PSA that THEY should have to watch, since THEY are the ones with the problem!"

So, regardless of who you believe, Paizo has a history of hiring shitty people.  If Price is telling the truth, then Paizo is infested with scum.  If she's lying, then she and all of her cronies (all of whom worked at Paizo) are scummy human beings.  Either way, Paizo is, or was, full of vile employees.  So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow?  They need to shut up, and get lectured by those of us who haven't ever been foul to our coworkers, bosses, and employees!  And this is why woke destroys game companies.  Because their certitude that they are on the side of angels immunizes them from the self-awareness that is necessary to recognize that THEY are, in fact, the problem, and not qualified to preach to anyone about anything.  Just make good games; that's hard enough (and so far, they haven't even managed to do that...).
Very well put!

In a similar vein, HR just made me (and everyone else) spend 45 mins doing anti-harassment training. Had they allowed me to take the 5 min quiz in advance, they would have learned that I didn't need any training.
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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #136 on: September 21, 2021, 09:00:11 PM »
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

  Well, I have seen people who are really, really bad at taking simple polite behavior for more than it is.   Especially when we are talking dudes around younger women.  I always operated under the do nothing unless there is overt behavior from the woman.  I can understand where a few beers and some of these guys (who I assume are socially awkward) might be a bit forward.  I just do not know when being a bit forward became sexual harassment.
I'm absolutely sure it started on a Tuesday. I just can't pinpoint which Tuesday it was...

Did it involve tacos?
You're being rather forward with that line, aren't you?

Life is too short to beat around the bush when it comes to Taco Tuesday.

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #137 on: September 21, 2021, 09:15:22 PM »
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

  Well, I have seen people who are really, really bad at taking simple polite behavior for more than it is.   Especially when we are talking dudes around younger women.  I always operated under the do nothing unless there is overt behavior from the woman.  I can understand where a few beers and some of these guys (who I assume are socially awkward) might be a bit forward.  I just do not know when being a bit forward became sexual harassment.
I'm absolutely sure it started on a Tuesday. I just can't pinpoint which Tuesday it was...

Did it involve tacos?
You're being rather forward with that line, aren't you?

Life is too short to beat around the bush when it comes to Taco Tuesday.

  Speaking of which, my brother and his co workers go to Taco Tuesday at a restaurant near work and their waitress is a former (I guess) porn actress. 

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #138 on: September 22, 2021, 01:36:05 PM »
Frank Mentzer's refutation of some of Price's claims of sexual harassment about him probably deserve another look about now.

How can Frank be so old and so naive?
You answered your own question. Older people are, sadly, a lot easier to take advantage of in many cases. It's why scammers like to target the elderly.

It doesn't help that Price is a lunatic.

I should have said how can he have experienced so much of the world and still be this naive. He's not just some old grandpa getting tricked in spending thousands on curtains by a door to door salesman. Presumably (and I am presuming) he has been around women like this.

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #139 on: September 22, 2021, 01:39:13 PM »
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

Which begs to question how many men have cashed that check, so to speak, and what is has done for her. Frank's story of her being paraded around at a con party and whomever introduced her to him talking about how she's something worth knowing or whatever. I would imagine the gentleman doing the introduction was familiar with Ms. Price. And I get cons were nearly completely devoid of women back then, and I get Frank thought of himself as a poor nobody, but Frank Mentzer isn't a nobody, not in our space.

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #140 on: September 22, 2021, 03:01:03 PM »
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

Which begs to question how many men have cashed that check, so to speak, and what is has done for her. Frank's story of her being paraded around at a con party and whomever introduced her to him talking about how she's something worth knowing or whatever. I would imagine the gentleman doing the introduction was familiar with Ms. Price. And I get cons were nearly completely devoid of women back then, and I get Frank thought of himself as a poor nobody, but Frank Mentzer isn't a nobody, not in our space.
It could come down to poor decision making that sometimes comes with age. Whether it’s due to early senility or a omnipresent and smothering feeling of mortality that often accompanies age. I’ve seen older people behave in ways that they wouldn’t when they were 10-20 years younger. I’m not privy to Frank’s particular situation, but it wouldn’t surprise me if something similar had occurred with his interaction with Price. Doesn’t mean he didn’t make a mistake, just a possible reason why the mistake occurred.

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #141 on: September 23, 2021, 10:10:14 AM »
Life is too short to beat around the bush when it comes to Taco Tuesday.

Especially when you say you want to smash that taco in the bush. And that's how we end up here.

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #142 on: September 23, 2021, 10:49:39 AM »
It could come down to poor decision making that sometimes comes with age.

Or possibly just not being able to keep up with the ever-changing "acceptable" vernacular. Which of course is the exact reason it's ever-changing.

Anecdotally, claims of "harassment" from older men I've seen are around comments in the vein of "Well, you're a lot better looking than most of the gamers around here." Those claims might hold water, for example, at the workplace -- especially if they come from a supervisor -- but at a gaming convention or any other purely social event? Seems like "flirting" to me, and it seems like some people can no longer tell the difference. "Harassment" has come to include any comment from someone you find unattractive (disclaimer: I have no idea how attractive Frank is).
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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #143 on: September 23, 2021, 11:41:38 AM »
No vernacular is acceptable to people who are incentivized to be outraged for the purposes of stroking their own egos.

There is no bottom to that well of narcissistic shit.

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #144 on: September 23, 2021, 11:40:16 PM »
she's next-door cute

IDK about you man, but she's most certainly not what I'd call next-door cute :P


This, however, is what I'd call next-door cute:

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #145 on: September 24, 2021, 12:17:01 AM »
She has a kind of.. ok who am I kidding... most defiantly has that crazy cat lady look in her eyes ;)
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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #146 on: September 24, 2021, 12:58:09 AM »
So that's the person stirring up so much drama?  The one that RPG companies feel compelled to hire?  She's a 6 pack away from being good looking.  They must be paying her for her intellect?
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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #147 on: September 24, 2021, 08:26:08 AM »
So that's the person stirring up so much drama?  The one that RPG companies feel compelled to hire?  She's a 6 pack away from being good looking.  They must be paying her for her intellect?
They're overpaying if that's the case. She's never struck me as particularly intelligent.

Her deranged, extended rant against Deroir over GW2's plot writing was the perfect example. Anyone with a lick of sense would've at least bottled any resentment up and vented it internally among coworkers, if only to preserve their employment.

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #148 on: September 24, 2021, 09:45:09 AM »
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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #149 on: September 24, 2021, 10:46:23 AM »

Let me amend that - She's Next-Door cute at best after my whiskey-goggles are on.