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Author Topic: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo  (Read 28282 times)

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #120 on: September 19, 2021, 08:38:53 AM »
(I promise this is on topic, it'll just take a second to show it)

So, a couple of years back, the National Football League (NFL) in the US had a series of very disturbing events, several caught on camera, of players abusing their girlfriends/spouses.  One was of a player punching his girlfriend so hard he knocked her out, then dragged her limp body into an elevator.  Another was a player pushing a woman down and then kicking her full force in the head (this player was dropped from his team, sat out a year, and is now a star on another team).

After these incidents, the NFL had its players tape public service announcements that ran before each game, imploring their fans not to abuse women.  This infuriated me, and many other people I knew.  As one wag put it, "Why are they lecturing me about this, when I've never abused a woman in my life?  I should be doing a PSA that THEY should have to watch, since THEY are the ones with the problem!"

So, regardless of who you believe, Paizo has a history of hiring shitty people.  If Price is telling the truth, then Paizo is infested with scum.  If she's lying, then she and all of her cronies (all of whom worked at Paizo) are scummy human beings.  Either way, Paizo is, or was, full of vile employees.  So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow?  They need to shut up, and get lectured by those of us who haven't ever been foul to our coworkers, bosses, and employees!  And this is why woke destroys game companies.  Because their certitude that they are on the side of angels immunizes them from the self-awareness that is necessary to recognize that THEY are, in fact, the problem, and not qualified to preach to anyone about anything.  Just make good games; that's hard enough (and so far, they haven't even managed to do that...).

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #121 on: September 19, 2021, 08:48:39 AM »
(I promise this is on topic, it'll just take a second to show it)

So, a couple of years back, the National Football League (NFL) in the US had a series of very disturbing events, several caught on camera, of players abusing their girlfriends/spouses.  One was of a player punching his girlfriend so hard he knocked her out, then dragged her limp body into an elevator.  Another was a player pushing a woman down and then kicking her full force in the head (this player was dropped from his team, sat out a year, and is now a star on another team).

After these incidents, the NFL had its players tape public service announcements that ran before each game, imploring their fans not to abuse women.  This infuriated me, and many other people I knew.  As one wag put it, "Why are they lecturing me about this, when I've never abused a woman in my life?  I should be doing a PSA that THEY should have to watch, since THEY are the ones with the problem!"

Reminds me of Hollywood #MeToo

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #122 on: September 19, 2021, 11:04:53 AM »
So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow? 

This is the key premise of your claim, and I am not sure it's on the firm ground you assert (though maybe it is) so can you support it? Where has Paizo preached about what kind of person you need to be, and about your behavior and morality? From what I've seen, all they have done is mention their preferences just like you mention your preferences?
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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #123 on: September 19, 2021, 12:43:53 PM »
So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow? 

This is the key premise of your claim, and I am not sure it's on the firm ground you assert (though maybe it is) so can you support it? Where has Paizo preached about what kind of person you need to be, and about your behavior and morality? From what I've seen, all they have done is mention their preferences just like you mention your preferences?

Oh, I don't know, in their book? In the "Gaming is For All" section on pages 5-6 of the Playtest Rulebook?

Call me crazy but that reads exactly as what Eirikrautha is saying?

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/9dpisn/socjus_tabletop_gaming_paizo_pushes_sjw_nonsense/
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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #124 on: September 19, 2021, 08:48:21 PM »
So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow? 

This is the key premise of your claim, and I am not sure it's on the firm ground you assert (though maybe it is) so can you support it? Where has Paizo preached about what kind of person you need to be, and about your behavior and morality? From what I've seen, all they have done is mention their preferences just like you mention your preferences?

Oh, I don't know, in their book? In the "Gaming is For All" section on pages 5-6 of the Playtest Rulebook?

Call me crazy but that reads exactly as what Eirikrautha is saying?

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/9dpisn/socjus_tabletop_gaming_paizo_pushes_sjw_nonsense/

OK that's a fair example.

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #125 on: September 19, 2021, 09:25:04 PM »
(I promise this is on topic, it'll just take a second to show it)

So, a couple of years back, the National Football League (NFL) in the US had a series of very disturbing events, several caught on camera, of players abusing their girlfriends/spouses.  One was of a player punching his girlfriend so hard he knocked her out, then dragged her limp body into an elevator.  Another was a player pushing a woman down and then kicking her full force in the head (this player was dropped from his team, sat out a year, and is now a star on another team).

After these incidents, the NFL had its players tape public service announcements that ran before each game, imploring their fans not to abuse women.  This infuriated me, and many other people I knew.  As one wag put it, "Why are they lecturing me about this, when I've never abused a woman in my life?  I should be doing a PSA that THEY should have to watch, since THEY are the ones with the problem!"

So, regardless of who you believe, Paizo has a history of hiring shitty people.  If Price is telling the truth, then Paizo is infested with scum.  If she's lying, then she and all of her cronies (all of whom worked at Paizo) are scummy human beings.  Either way, Paizo is, or was, full of vile employees.  So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow?  They need to shut up, and get lectured by those of us who haven't ever been foul to our coworkers, bosses, and employees!  And this is why woke destroys game companies.  Because their certitude that they are on the side of angels immunizes them from the self-awareness that is necessary to recognize that THEY are, in fact, the problem, and not qualified to preach to anyone about anything.  Just make good games; that's hard enough (and so far, they haven't even managed to do that...).

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #126 on: September 20, 2021, 12:23:39 PM »
(I promise this is on topic, it'll just take a second to show it)

So, a couple of years back, the National Football League (NFL) in the US had a series of very disturbing events, several caught on camera, of players abusing their girlfriends/spouses.  One was of a player punching his girlfriend so hard he knocked her out, then dragged her limp body into an elevator.  Another was a player pushing a woman down and then kicking her full force in the head (this player was dropped from his team, sat out a year, and is now a star on another team).

After these incidents, the NFL had its players tape public service announcements that ran before each game, imploring their fans not to abuse women.  This infuriated me, and many other people I knew.  As one wag put it, "Why are they lecturing me about this, when I've never abused a woman in my life?  I should be doing a PSA that THEY should have to watch, since THEY are the ones with the problem!"

So, regardless of who you believe, Paizo has a history of hiring shitty people.  If Price is telling the truth, then Paizo is infested with scum.  If she's lying, then she and all of her cronies (all of whom worked at Paizo) are scummy human beings.  Either way, Paizo is, or was, full of vile employees.  So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow?  They need to shut up, and get lectured by those of us who haven't ever been foul to our coworkers, bosses, and employees!  And this is why woke destroys game companies.  Because their certitude that they are on the side of angels immunizes them from the self-awareness that is necessary to recognize that THEY are, in fact, the problem, and not qualified to preach to anyone about anything.  Just make good games; that's hard enough (and so far, they haven't even managed to do that...).

Yup. But the larger problem is this extends to their simpering fans who also feel if they side with these idiots, they too are on the "right side" without giving a single thought to the logical reality of the situation. And they've constructed this retarded rhetorical defense that ends with "ReeeeeeeEEE" and censorship as the final card to play when trying to interact with them.

It's a cult now. And their faith is strong.

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #127 on: September 20, 2021, 12:36:51 PM »
Which is why so many women like this tend to wind up as old, bitter, man-hating cat ladies.

You aren't wrong, but I think you owe an apology to real cat ladies.  Cat ladies are often eccentric, but they really are nice to their cats and their cats love them back, at least as much as a cat ever really loves any person.  This often manifests as the cat ladies trying to genuinely being nice to other people but not always pulling it off because of their eccentricity. 

Whereas the kind of bitter scolds you describe don't even like their cats, which is then reciprocated.  When even the notoriously aloof and individualistic cats agrees with all the people in your circle about you, it really says something.


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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #129 on: September 21, 2021, 03:02:53 PM »
Frank Mentzer's refutation of some of Price's claims of sexual harassment about him probably deserve another look about now.

How can Frank be so old and so naive?
You answered your own question. Older people are, sadly, a lot easier to take advantage of in many cases. It's why scammers like to target the elderly.

It doesn't help that Price is a lunatic.

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #130 on: September 21, 2021, 05:18:44 PM »
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?


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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #131 on: September 21, 2021, 05:39:49 PM »
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

  Well, I have seen people who are really, really bad at taking simple polite behavior for more than it is.   Especially when we are talking dudes around younger women.  I always operated under the do nothing unless there is overt behavior from the woman.  I can understand where a few beers and some of these guys (who I assume are socially awkward) might be a bit forward.  I just do not know when being a bit forward became sexual harassment.   

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #132 on: September 21, 2021, 06:09:29 PM »
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

  Well, I have seen people who are really, really bad at taking simple polite behavior for more than it is.   Especially when we are talking dudes around younger women.  I always operated under the do nothing unless there is overt behavior from the woman.  I can understand where a few beers and some of these guys (who I assume are socially awkward) might be a bit forward.  I just do not know when being a bit forward became sexual harassment.
I'm absolutely sure it started on a Tuesday. I just can't pinpoint which Tuesday it was...

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #133 on: September 21, 2021, 06:30:34 PM »
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

  Well, I have seen people who are really, really bad at taking simple polite behavior for more than it is.   Especially when we are talking dudes around younger women.  I always operated under the do nothing unless there is overt behavior from the woman.  I can understand where a few beers and some of these guys (who I assume are socially awkward) might be a bit forward.  I just do not know when being a bit forward became sexual harassment.
I'm absolutely sure it started on a Tuesday. I just can't pinpoint which Tuesday it was...

Did it involve tacos?

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #134 on: September 21, 2021, 06:39:08 PM »
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

  Well, I have seen people who are really, really bad at taking simple polite behavior for more than it is.   Especially when we are talking dudes around younger women.  I always operated under the do nothing unless there is overt behavior from the woman.  I can understand where a few beers and some of these guys (who I assume are socially awkward) might be a bit forward.  I just do not know when being a bit forward became sexual harassment.
I'm absolutely sure it started on a Tuesday. I just can't pinpoint which Tuesday it was...

Did it involve tacos?
You're being rather forward with that line, aren't you?