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Author Topic: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo  (Read 28313 times)

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #105 on: September 18, 2021, 09:53:26 AM »
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

You now have evidence for that in her own words.

So while things clearly have changed since I was there, reading her thread I can tell you unequivocally that practice she's talking about was not something done company-wide.

It may have been some basic assumption where she worked. But I'm familiar with the "scenario" she painted. It sounds like she had a shitty manager that hired knuckleheads and the guy that replaced her was someone that knew what he was doing as is typical, started cleaning up his team. When you get put on a PIP (Personal Improvement Plan for the non-corpspeakers here) at MS, it usually means "you're fucking up *bad*". It's not ever done lightly, in my experience. I know people put on PIP's that really were fucking up - (drugs, really bad personal crises etc.) but to be put on a PIP for seemingly "political reasons" as she's implying... I'm super skeptical.

"Back in my day" at MS, sure you could have differences, even big ones with managers, but you couldn't be put on a PIP and tossed out without some oversight. Granted, each group is different, but in the years I was there, no one put on a PIP didn't deserve it. Everyone knows who the bad apples were. And I've seen interviews with her as "Project Manager" and I laughed my ass off at the stuff she was describing. She's clearly a bullshitter, no PMP certification and her politics would make having her as a PM a nightmare.

And you know... her track-record speaks for itself. Getting shitcanned from MS is a fairly serious issue there. If she were good, they would have kept her. I know people that were horrible people that did good work, Microsoft threw money at to keep because of their skill. Hell I knew people there that did illegal shit hacking the MS network itself that got promoted *because* of their ingenuity, rather than get shitcanned. Anectodal sure, but I was on the purely technical side, and she's not shown any particular skill at anything that says she's qualified. So who knows. I have lots of reasons to doubt her story from the periphery.

Clearly the bar was lowered in whatever division that hired her - so things have changed. But retrospectively knowing her professional trackrecord... you know where she's getting fired from company after company for clearly political shit... means the problem is her. To nobody's surprise.
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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #106 on: September 18, 2021, 11:38:48 AM »
It seems as though they want to destroy rpg gamng.  Their (rpg companies) actions make no sense.  WOTC, the 800 lb gorilla in the industry hired this broad?

Thats actually been WOTC for a long long time. Failure is the only option and killing the goose that lays the golden eggs is WOTC's SOP.

We are just seeing now the stupid becoming increasingly more blatant.

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #107 on: September 18, 2021, 01:12:26 PM »
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

You now have evidence for that in her own words.

To be fair, she isn't wrong about stack-ranking. But she may have been fairly fired, albeit by a craptastic system.

Anyone can be unfairly fired from a job. But in my experience when a person has been fired from every single job they've ever had, with similar accusations about how everything done to them is unfair and they did nothing wrong over and over again, it's not the employers who are the problem.

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #108 on: September 18, 2021, 01:16:09 PM »
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

You now have evidence for that in her own words.

To be fair, she isn't wrong about stack-ranking. But she may have been fairly fired, albeit by a craptastic system.

Anyone can be unfairly fired from a job. But in my experience when a person has been fired from every single job they've ever had, with similar accusations about how everything done to them is unfair and they did nothing wrong over and over again, it's not the employers who are the problem.

Hey! We agree on something. Sign of the upcoming Apocalypse?!?    :o

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #109 on: September 18, 2021, 04:11:32 PM »
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

You now have evidence for that in her own words.



To be fair, she isn't wrong about stack-ranking. But she may have been fairly fired, albeit by a craptastic system.

Anyone can be unfairly fired from a job. But in my experience when a person has been fired from every single job they've ever had, with similar accusations about how everything done to them is unfair and they did nothing wrong over and over again, it's not the employers who are the problem.

Yeah I think it's what 3 in a row now? (Microsoft, Paizo and arenanet?)

Also frankly it gets more suspect where the one thats doing most of the backing up of prices clames Crystal frazier apparently left the company in 2016 but cam back to do more work for them in 2018 (Whether as offical staff or freelancer I'm not sure either way kind of weird to me that someone would leave a company for being horrible to them then come back to help them in any capacity.)

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #110 on: September 18, 2021, 05:33:13 PM »
... someone that knew what he was doing as is typical, started cleaning up his team. When you get put on a PIP (Personal Improvement Plan for the non-corpspeakers here) at MS, it usually means "you're fucking up *bad*". It's not ever done lightly, in my experience....

... Everyone knows who the bad apples were. And I've seen interviews with her as "Project Manager" and I laughed my ass off at the stuff she was describing. She's clearly a bullshitter, no PMP certification and her politics would make having her as a PM a nightmare.

... But retrospectively knowing her professional trackrecord... you know where she's getting fired from company after company for clearly political shit... means the problem is her. To nobody's surprise.

IMHO, she gave herself away with this tweet:


Quote from: Jessica Price@Delafina  https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1114241232367013888
Also, I heard one of the writers thought I was arrogant. I was a bit surprised by that, since the writers were known for giant egos, and I was wondering what I could possibly have done already to stick out. I began quietly asking around if anyone else had gotten that feedback.

You can't tell her anything, nothing is ever her fault, and she's always the victim.

On top of it she's a backstabbing gossip. And while I would have to meet her in person to be sure, I suspect she is a bit of a coquette as well...

Add all these traits up + Jessica Price = Absolute poison in any even remotely functional workplace.

And while I actually believe her about the shitty passive-aggressive and inappropriate gamma-male behavior... She keeps putting herself in those environments again and again!

You don't need to be a trained therapist to see what is going on here. You can literally follow the trends from her tweets alone.
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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #111 on: September 18, 2021, 05:35:44 PM »
... someone that knew what he was doing as is typical, started cleaning up his team. When you get put on a PIP (Personal Improvement Plan for the non-corpspeakers here) at MS, it usually means "you're fucking up *bad*". It's not ever done lightly, in my experience....

... Everyone knows who the bad apples were. And I've seen interviews with her as "Project Manager" and I laughed my ass off at the stuff she was describing. She's clearly a bullshitter, no PMP certification and her politics would make having her as a PM a nightmare.

... But retrospectively knowing her professional trackrecord... you know where she's getting fired from company after company for clearly political shit... means the problem is her. To nobody's surprise.

IMHO, she gave herself away with this tweet:


Quote from: Jessica Price@Delafina  https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1114241232367013888
Also, I heard one of the writers thought I was arrogant. I was a bit surprised by that, since the writers were known for giant egos, and I was wondering what I could possibly have done already to stick out. I began quietly asking around if anyone else had gotten that feedback.

You can't tell her anything, nothing is ever her fault, and she's always the victim.

On top of it she's a backstabbing gossip. And while I would have to meet her in person to be sure, I suspect she is a bit of a coquette as well...

Add all these traits up + Jessica Price = Absolute poison in any even remotely functional workplace.

And while I actually believe her about the shitty passive-aggressive and inappropriate gamma-male behavior... She keeps putting herself in those environments again and again!

You don't need to be a trained therapist to see what is going on here. You can literally follow the trends from her tweets alone.

  Please tell me that woman is not dating anyone.   I can not imagine what sort of hell that person goes through.

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #112 on: September 18, 2021, 06:12:34 PM »
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  Please tell me that woman is not dating anyone.   I can not imagine what sort of hell that person goes through.

I assure you. That when she wants to, someone like Jessica Price can come across as completely personable, self effacing, and charming...

Having known someone with similar traits all my life I will make an educated guess and say it usually goes more or less in two ways:


1: She is using the relationship for some purpose. In this case the poor bastard is being strung along and given just enough to keep him invested in the relationship, but not enough to where he feels that he is in a position that he can ask her for a long term commitment.

He is possibly also alienating long term friends and relationships to stay with her as well. But once he has served his purpose, he will find that he has "done something wrong" that gives her cause to break up with him. Not hard for her because everything about that relationship has been on her terms from the beginning.


2: Something triggers in her head, and she actually wants to be with the guy long-term. i.e She views him as a "great catch".

She will act towards him in a totally different manner than she does with anyone else. And by different, I mean flip-a-switch different.

All access to them as a couple is completely on her terms. They will only have mutual friends that she approves of. And while the guy may become tangentially aware of some of her negative traits; Due to the markedly different way she treats him, he will tend to view them as the occasional personal imperfections that everyone has. Not as the general mode of behavior that she applies to others outside their relationship and immediate circle of friends.

Naturally she will avoid long term relationships with men that have strong life-long ties to family and friends she wouldn't approve of, or is unable to control his frequency of access. Of course makes this makes it hard for girls like her to find something like the second relationship described.

Which is why so many women like this tend to wind up as old, bitter, man-hating cat ladies.
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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #113 on: September 18, 2021, 07:40:21 PM »
I find it kind of amusing how there going on about starting a hashtag on twitter and that a whole 41 people seem to have cancelled there subscriptions over this (I mean I'm no expert but even though Paizo is not anywhere near as big as your WOTC or Gw pretty sure 41 is still a tiny amount also retty sure many times that amount quit in half the time when the game changed to second edtion)

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #114 on: September 18, 2021, 08:03:07 PM »
Another former staffer just chimed in (Liz courts) and out of intrest is $36k a year a lot a drop in the bucket or something in between?

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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #115 on: September 18, 2021, 08:34:30 PM »
Another former staffer just chimed in (Liz courts) and out of intrest is $36k a year a lot a drop in the bucket or something in between?

A full time job? In Seattle?

ROTFL... Utter wage slave.

The average for freelance writers in other industries is: .20c a word, or 30 an hour, or 60K annually.

Baizuo is not paying anything close to a living wage for their location.
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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #116 on: September 18, 2021, 08:52:15 PM »
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

You now have evidence for that in her own words.

That reads like a whole heap of self-serving lies, with *just* enough truth to satisfy anyone who cared to fact check her on anything that happened in front of more than 2 people.

The thing that strikes me the most is how blatant the wrongdoing is by those she casts as villain in her stories. In my experience that sort of blatant behavior is vanishingly rare in the office during regular hours. Maybe an asshole might say the sort of things she claims at a Christmas party when everyone is 10 drinks in, or at the bar while traveling for a conference, or... well pretty much any time booze is involved with co-workers.


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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #117 on: September 18, 2021, 10:05:03 PM »
It's already been said upthread a little ways, but I'm dumbstruck how this narrative is playing out.  Even in 2021.  Even with everything that goes on in the world today.  All the jobs she's been fired from, all the "altercations" that she's either been part of or somehow intimately knows every detail of - every single one of them has some excuse; sexism/patriarchal bias, or some other woke BS that's the cause of the problem.  It's never her.  She (or her close friend/co-worker) is always the victim in these scenarios.  I'm not saying sexism doesn't exist, that there aren't people out there that aren't being marginalized, but damn...either she's got some incredibly shitty luck and she really is always the victim, or she's just a shitty person who get's shitcanned for one reason or another when then won't hesitate to use sexism as a shield for said shittiness.  And the absolute crazy part?  All these woke champions keep eating it up.  Jesus.  How can these people not connect the dots.  It's amazing.

Too bad Ben Shapiro doesn't look at it all and start responding to her tweets.   ;D
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Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
« Reply #119 on: September 18, 2021, 10:53:41 PM »
Frank Mentzer's refutation of some of Price's claims of sexual harassment about him probably deserve another look about now.

Absolutely. I've called bullshit on that since it happened. This just further confirms my feelings about that situation.